When Art Lore becomes bullying
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2023
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I thought a long time before making this video. The more i saw of these videos, the more it made me annoyed to the point i feel like i have to speak about it. I know it wont change the fact that people might continue doing this, but I want beginner artist and other people to know that I support you and wish the best for you. Stay strong and be nice. Love yall
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Bullying a child for their art not being professional-looking is like spraying weedkiller on a budding rose because it hasn't flowered yet.
Best analogy ever
So true
That is the perfect analogy for this
PERFECT ANALOGY OMFG HOW DID YOU COME UP W THAT YOU WORDSMITH, describes this just... So perfectly
How'd you come up with this its so good
When did "don't send death threats to a literal kid" become a controversial opinion💀(thank you Nirami for speaking out about this)
It became controversial when people decided to make the internet their whole personality its wild, like people genuinely talk down to others now because on the internet their someone who bullies children, its insanity thank god for Nirami and people like her who are calling out this insanity
Fr ive seen so many people defend those threats and even things like doxxing over the smallest of things.....i dont like the term "touch grass" bc i think its used for some silly stuff but in this case....they really need to touch grass...its actually scary
I wish people would stop leaving death threats period. To anyone of any age.
@@starry-p except to like p3dos and zoos, those people are exempt from the "no bullying" rule
@@yeoldeseawitchyea those people are awfull for doing those things
i find it so weird that grown ass people are bullying kids. obviously constructive criticism is important but bullying a kid for making a demon/vampire/werewolf hybrid or some other wild idea just makes them look boring and mean. if it's not harmful to anyone then don't yell at them, simple as that
Especially since that's normally how a lot of artists start out. The demon-angel-werewolf-dragon OC. Just let them do what they want, and along the way, they'll figure out that some of these things can't work together and work out those things, ultimately fixing their OC.
Fr, let them make their hybrids. 😭
its insane really. just let young artists live and make whatever they find cool. it shouldnt be something to make them feel bad about
I feel like older artists should also be able to be ‘cringe’ and make their hybrids.
Exactly. I’d argue even when it **is** harmful, be gentle about criticism when the creator is a minor. If you bully them, they’re only gonna get defensive/double down on what they were doing and that won’t teach anyone anything. Harmful or not, kids don’t learn unless you actually teach them something. I thought that what obvious but apparently the art community also struggles to learn anything from their mistakes, since this culture of bullying minors isn’t new.
I hate how normalized online bullying has become recently. Cringe culture was supposed to be dead but its been resurrected and lives amongst us once again. Im 20 now and have been drawing for a really long time, and I can't imagine how other people my age (or older) can justify this behavior. I know what my art looked like as a beginner, and I know all experienced artists know it too. Even when I was a teenager I don't remember such vile behavior happening so often, it seems even worse now. Why can't people ever learn to just, have a little compassion?
You cannot kill the cringe...
But you can kill the part of you that cringes.
- some person on the Internet
@@coolaydunno so true!
Empathy is becoming such a lost practice and it’s scary… I think because of all the horrible things going on in the world, some people have to take out their frustrations on an easy target. It’s harder to criticize corporations and societal norms than it is to go after a single person.
Of course that doesn’t give anyone the excuse, it’s just such a harrowing topic and I’m trying to wrap my head around how people enjoy belittling others for no reason.
@@lulub517 You're right. It'd be really interesting to see more people dissect this and try to find out why its become so common. Personally I think a big reason is that because of digital art and the internet, people are improving at art at a much faster rate. So when someone doesn't have much experience yet and their art is considered "bad", people who feel they have more art skill make fun of them bc it makes them feel high and mighty for not having "bad" art anymore. It really sucks and I'd love if people realized how bad its becoming
I’d honestly argue that it’s gotten better over time? I don’t use tiktok but I remember being on deviantart yt back in 2015-2016 when art cringe videos got millions of views and a bunch of young kids were constantly bullied harassed by much more popular creators. I’m so glad that shit isn’t popular on yt anymore.
Cringe isn’t harmful, they don’t need to grow out if it
They don’t need to improve at art to enjoy it and I hate the fact that older artists are mocking literal kids, beginners or those who are impaired for art they make- completely forgetting that they were a cringe beginner artist once too
I hate the word “cringe” because people nowadays say it to young children who are still learning about the world than people who deserve it
me too, so many people use cringe as just another insult instead of using it in the right context@@glisteningrose3776
@@glisteningrose3776Now in days either people misunderstand the word, or just straight up overuse it and try to say it whenever they can for whatever reason
Thank you for the reminder that I’m allowed to be “cringe”. Thank you.
@@SomeRandomEcho we are cringe, but we are free
Moral of the story: let kids be kids and let them be cringe.
Yeah! I embrace my cringe.
Y E S B E C R I N G E
Fr, though, they'll end up learning sooner or later, and when they're a bit older, they'll go:
"HOW WAS I THIS CRINGE?!?!"
But for now, if it makes them happy, let them do what they want.
Heck, let anyone be cringe
my little cousin likes to say that ‘little kids art is an artist’s canon event’. tbh its true lmfao
shes just learning to draw and although being 11, shes already getting super good at basic art knowledge like beginner anatomy, shading, and color theory. shes young, but obviously with more time she’ll develop. she’ll find her own artstyle, and use art as a means to express her thoughts.
what im saying is that stumping a young artist’s growth/development and being derogatory towards their work will make them feel shamed. youre not only judging one’s work, but their way of expressing creativity/thoughts. thats what art is. and trying to bring down younger/inexperienced artists with mocking and nitpicking at their work is disgusting. ACCEPT that all people start off somewhere. not EVERYONE’s work is going to be as skillful as someone who had been drawing for a while.
tldr
not being good at art is okay. being young and inexperienced is okay. learn to praise these beginner artists for taking the time to learn difficult aspects of art and be accepting of their development, because we all start somewhere :)
As long as it doesn’t go too far, (like hurting someone or yourself, or something morally wrong)
Some people are just nasty for no reason. Like the people being rude weren't learning at any point in their lives. It's immature, insecure, and embarrassing. Thanks for making this video.
I like ur profile
If i were to cringe at art, itd be my own past art 💀💀💀💀
@@RubenDuenas1 I still cringe at my own past art
@@RubenDuenas1
Same-
@@RubenDuenas1same
I genuinely fail to understand why people enjoy making fun of younger people for their art. Like WHAT DO YOU GAIN FROM THAT ?? Being kind is so much more satisfying !! We should all just bring each other up so collectively as a whole we can all encourage each other to make great art.
It almost always comes from insecurity.
I still remember that one kind comment about my art I got about 9 years ago, it kept me going
Real
It makes them feel above them, they get to feel better about themselves when they put people younger than them down. Which is really gross in my opinion.
no, this exactly. you may as well scream at and bully a human newborn for not knowing how to speak or walk on their own.
I always hated artlore
The first time i was introduced to it was with Croaket when they were just sharing their art rendering process and liked to put the eyes higher up. People went to try to justify it by claiming they said slurs(these were proven to be faked screenshots), claimed they were racist(part of the slurs thing which was debunked), claimed they drew dsmp "corn"(proven to be false and was literally a troll mimicking their artstyle to make more fun of them), and whitewashing(was proven false and the only proof was a image the accusers edited to look like it was whitewashed when it wasnt). I wish people would stop before their actions effect someone who already isnt in a okay mental space and causes that person to end their own life over harassment.
This shit makes me want to commit war crimes
It was all over at my fyp at the time and was one of the reasons I left the app 💀 istg tiktokers are just so nasty and their art was really good
@@alastoridk i still have the app since its the only place where I can manage to get commissions and stuff
And I Have met some nice people there
Its just unfortunate how toxic the place can be
They won’t stop because they don’t care
@@deathlight4210 yeah but doesn't mean you shouldn't speak up about it
We have all made that one character who is a demon wolf prince with trust issues. We all have to start somewhere 🤷♀️
Edit: another thought I had is that when I was at that stage, I used my art and characters as a way of coping with anxiety. You dont know what they're dealing with, so leave em be if it aint harming anyone
THE WEREWOLF-FAIRY-DRAGON-VAMIPRE-WOLF-ANGEL-DEMON-UNICORN HYBRID THAT HAS ALL THE POWERS, WAS BULLIED, IS SUPER EDGY, AND HATES EVERYONE BUT ALSO SECRETLY NICE!
(This isn't hate towards beginners, I just find it amusing that a LOT of artists started out with this type of OC... we artists have to share one unifying braincell or something..)
I mean I still have that character, though I have given her some better development that makes her less edgy and more likable. But hey, I still love drawing her.
I’ve drawn since I was 8 and I’ve never been literally brain dead enough to be like that
my first characters were all clones of my fav characters at the time but all girls and way more powerful lol, we've all made ocs like that at some point
@@Thatonepenguin123 I think the reason for this is that most children who make these ocs are in puberty at that age and these ocs may be their way of being edgy and rebellious
my friend almost became artlore, i can tell you, it's brutal. People will go after anything they deem as vulnerable
That last bit is so true. The amount of times I’ve seen people’s vents turn into art lore is kinda disgusting. Half the time the “joke” isn’t even that the vent is controversial or harmful to someone else either, it’s just people mocking others suffering because they don’t know what it’s like to suffer themselves.
@@kyleinthejar6829 Half of the time the art isn't even that bad lol. It's just people hungry for drama
Can you tell me the video? If you're comfortable ofc
@@Dang.- i don't rlly wanna tell the video in fear of the same thing might happen again but basically, it was a vent video about something personal, luckily there was only like 3 vids about it so
@@Joannameow455 oh gotcha. Dw bout it, I'm surprised art lore still exists. I left tiktok some time ago excepting art lore to be dead
Imagine hating kids for acting like kids bro 💀
Basically people who hates kids because “iM sO qUirKy”
@mybaguettes5937 I hate kids with my whole being, but I never bullied them or told them something offensive.
Bullying q kid that's just being a kid that's crazy like what do u expect kids acting like adults and that's still a problem then kids acting like kids is still a problem like that's crazy
There's a different between criticism and bullying. It's okay to give people criticism but give young artists some slack their still learning and still growing.
One day when their grown up they can cringe at their own stuff and be proud on how much they grew as an artist.
It's important to never give up on art 😄
i would recommend only giving criticism if the artist specifically asks for it
@@42seven very true
@@42seven exactly, im not going to ask some random person online for their opinion on my art, im very sensitive (yes ik, i need to grow thicker skin blah blah blah) and they will not give a crap, unlike ppl i actually know
@@6Shots_ofEspressoI like to ask people I know because they aren’t strangers and I feel more comfortable getting criticism with people I personally know
@@42seven Nah that is straight up wrong
"Only correct me when I want"
So...... Never
Yay
Let's spread this mindset
IT WILL SURELY BE GOOD
r i g h t ?
As a 12 year old, this is fucked up, how do GROWN ADULTS have the COURAGE to send DEATH THREATS to a KID?
don't even get me on the croaket situation.
That's what a childhood on the internet does to you.
It's unfortunately common.. I'm almost 18 and for years I had these issues with adults on Instagram and some on tiktok. It was so bad that I barely post art anymore and I don't want others to start giving up like I did
As a fellow minor, I can barely make a dent on social media without worrying. But I post videos of my cat, you can’t get hate with cat videos right? Right..?
Well it’s also easier if they’re behind a screen and not in person…
I really hate the fact that cringe culture is rising it's ugly head again... :/
I honestly thought we left it in 2010 or sumthin... I always get excited when I see some art/person dressed differently that bullies might consider cringe, I just love the fact that there are still brave people in this world who choose self expression over whatever those _people_ think.
This is why I love the furry community and all the incredible artists that work so hard to get better every single day. Sure the NSFW stuff is not my cup of tea, but it’s not the full front of the art, there’s so many SFW artworks and it’s always ignored in cringe culture.
The people that work so hard on their passions to share with the world are always inspiring me and others to share our work.
i will lie in wait until the creature rears it's vile head to stomp it back into the floor (cringe culture)
@@lulub517true, I had an argument with this one commenter who kept saying “Where is the list of good things furries have done?” I kept telling them that I can’t list more because that’s all they do and they keep saying the same thing over and over again. And I said “Your looking at the bad side of furries and look at what you are now because of that” and they didn’t reply. I reported them because they kept annoying furries.
@@mybaguettes5937"I reported them cuz they kept annoying furries"
Naaaah
You are a lost cause
@@mybaguettes5937"and look what you are now because of that"
Well at least he ain't a furry that is for sure something
And I bet HE FUCKING KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR AND YOU ARE
i hear quite a few people saying stuff like "why are kids these days acting so grown up?" It's usually because they get bullied for being childish online despite the fact they're children.
As a fellow 12 yr old, this is pathetic. y'all are grown ass adults out here making fun of us. If we did something wrong, give us tips. my art wasn't the greatest when i was younger, and still isn't very good by the standards of the internet. We all drew cringe things when we were younger, and that's okay. artists grow, so give us encouragement. It helps a lot with our art journey. Thanks for reading my little rant, also Nirami i love your videos and i feel this needs to be seen by some ignorant adults so can i get a pin.
Again, Thanks :D
I'm literally 11,and I'm being bullied for being "fat". Also,I hate how people bully other kids ocs.
@@flammables_father Same, i hate how the internet treats kids. Also im sorry you have to deal with that, sending love ❤
That really sucks kiddo. The internet is a lot worse than it was when I was 12 but there are those communities that will lift you and your art up, I hope you'll be able to find them!
Seriously as a 16 year old it's so disappointing to see bloody adults bully children for their work just because they're doing something they love. Like I'm sorry what do you expect someone to be Vincent Van Gogh straight out the womb? It's ridiculous >:/
@@alastoridk I agree! I'm going to be 18 soon and I still struggle with how aggressive people are on the internet sometimes.
It's one thing to make fun of your own early art, bullying kids for having an fun colorful ideas is bad. Thank you for making this video!
Ikr let kids have fun with art! Arts not something to be graded it’s meant to be enjoyed by the artist and the people who see it
Kind of reminds me of when there were thousands of those animation cringe comps that were mostly kids art or trolls. Pretty sad to see this kind of bullying come back again :[
I used to watch those, but I didn't really cringe or bully them for being inexperienced. I actually got motivated and inspired by them! Just seeing kids and beginning artists/animators do what they love gives me happiness. And I strive to be kind and make the internet, (at least my corner of it) a kinder and better place ^_^
very sad to see animation memes with much effort and much learning to make it what it is get shitted on because "oh one of the pixels is a furry" like some of them are justified since they are NSFW, we all hate NSFW, but some werent even NSFW and were still literally disregarded of the effort put in
When I was a kid I used to find them funny. Years later I realized how shitty it actually was
I’m late to the party but I was one of the people that had their animation stolen and put into a cringe compilation when I was 12 and JUST started animating. I was bullied and harassed over this, which lead to me almost quitting art completely.
I seriously don’t understand these people. What’s the end goal? It’s so pathetic.
I’m glad you mentioned that it isn’t just minors too. I have a friend who is only now starting to practice at getting better at art-she’s in her twenties. I would never dream of saying that her art is bad. I know she can be insecure about where she’s at and I always try to encourage her because I would be so devastated if she ever gave up on it
Goodluck to your friend
My boyfriend is doing the same. He is 19 now. He is improving on his work and I am proud of him!
Bullying is never okay!!! But correcting someone's behaviour is totally okay!!
Talking it out never hurts! 😎
better to be cringe than to be mean
Sage wisdom indeed
Yes
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fr though
It's very sad to see this happening honestly.I think the bullying says a lot about those people than the kids who are just still learning how to be mature and better people ,heck i still do as a 21 year old. Some children even cope with art (i did as a kid ,it was my best escape in the past and i can't imagined being bullied for it,it would destroy me mentally)
My point is,you do not know what anyone is going through behind someone's screen,treat others the way you want to be treated.
+ „they should know how to act at this age“.
Like, not everyone had parents who taught them right from wrongs.
I myself had to learn some things on my own and I’m still learning to this day. We all made mistakes and will keep making mistakes in the future, that’s how we learn from experience.
@@Nirami EXACTLY THIS
Doing mistakes is not always with malicious intentions as well,what if they just need redirection or an explanation why something can be harmful? (ESPECIALLY kids)
@@Niramiomg your so right 😭
I remember when we were little, my brother tried to stat a youtube channel. he was probably around ten. He didn't show his face, and used those voiceover things where the robot talks for you. Anyway, I was supposed to be his editor at the time, and his videos were actually really funny. He would say weird things sometimes, or make little noises, but he was TEN. I never, ever, ever, let him read the comments that he got on his videos, because a lot of them broke my heart. Probably the best decision I ever made for his self-esteem.
Let. Kids. Be. Kids.
People literally bully people because they have nothing better to do but atleast there are more people that we are blessed to have like families, friends and etc. Hope your having a amazing day and we love you niramii!!❤❤
People who bully children need to get hobby’s lol
This is why, fellas, I as a young artist, never had tik tok in my life. Tbh it’s disappointing seeing GROWN ADULTS making fun of us knowing well that we are in the process of improving our art and becoming better.
Being rude to a minor artist won’t do any good and would just hurt them to the point where they might not want to work on art and they might never improve. So please, be nice to us. Nobody deserves hate just because of their art style or how cringe it is. Art isn’t about judging, it’s about expressing and showing your creativity.
This is why art is not a talent, but a skill you get better at the more time you spend improving.
Thank you Nirami for making a video about this :)
I’m 12 and even I know not to bully others because they’re art is still developing
@@glisteningrose3776sad that twelve year olds are more mature than many adults
Same I'm 12 well just turned but idk why they have to hate on art even though it's just a way of expressing our self like you said,
also I bet they've done cringe stuff too in the past like me rn༼. . ;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽.
( not saying it's bad just saying that were human aren't we all 😭😭)!!
TYSM FOR READING ME RAMBLE ABOUT MY THOUGHTS (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*.✧
I genuinely HATE this artlore "trend". I feel sorry for beginners artists and younger people that have to deal with this level of scrutiny and toxicity from the community. I started off on DeviantART and I posted straight up cringe, and yet people were still supportive, and critiques were fair and expressed kindly. THIS is what a Community should be like. It's important for artists to make connections, to learn from one another.
On this note: it's not an artist's "canon event" to be bullied unmercifully to be able to "improve", it never has been. And for what? For being a bit cocky? Ooooh the HORROR. A kid/begginer having a bit of an EGO?? Absolutely despicable/s.
If you are contributing to art lore, you are indirectly saying to new artists in the community that bullying is A-OK if we deem your art bad enough. Already, many people expressed their fear of posting anything, scared they may be the next "art lore". How many others may completely give up drawing all together?
I thank the stars I wasn't a beginner artist during the tik tok era of social media, because the pressure just seems unbearable to me, I don't know if I would have continued to pursue art the way I did, if I were to find such a unwelcoming community.
If anything, a beginner artist’s “canon event” is being kinda bad at art for a while, making edgy oc’s, and just generally being “cringe”! And that’s something we should embrace! Like, I see beginners and go “wow, they have a long way to go but they sure are gonna be a good artist one day! Look at them go!” And I give a quite smile. I see myself in them.
On the bright side, I saw a “canon event” video about beginner artists that was something silly like, “when you see a beginner artist drawing the hands behind the back but you can’t stop it because it’s a canon event” and I laughed because I DEFINITELY did that lol.
Stuff like Art Lore is precisely why I wasn't allowed to get social media until I was older, because my mom loved my work, and she knew I loved my work, but she was so worried about me posting my work and getting absolutely dogpiled and losing motivation to do what I loved because other people were mean about it. And I think it was genuinely one of the best things she's done for me, because if I posted my weird anime-knock off people who were ridiculously skinny and lanky with eyes that were too big and sat too low on the face, and then had thousands of people making fun of me, saying that my characters looked stupidly skinny and were terrible, then made their own drawings of my flaws exaggerated, I probably would have lost motivation to do art all together.
I distinctly remember when I was in like... middleschool I wanna say, I transitioned from drawing legs with straight lines to drawing them with the curves to show where the knee, thigh, and calf are. I was super proud of myself for picking up on this and excitedly showed it off. Now that I'm older and I know more about anatomy, I know that the drawings were not the best, the thighs were too long, the legs looked more like hour glasses than natural curves, the feet were pigeon footed and pointed inwards because I didn't know how to make them forward facing, I still drew heads as a circle but didn't know how to put the face in the proper spot so they looked like balloon heads.
If I shared that with some silly caption like "When you finally learn how to draw muscles" and then posted it today? There woulda been thousands of people making fun of how terrible my anatomy was, probably some Baloony from Phineas and Ferb reference, and all of the flaws would have been exaggerated to the point of unrecognizability. If I got that kinda response? I never would have shared my art again.
Everyone's art had an ugly duckling phase, and if it didn't have an ugly ducking phase it had a style change. Art grows with the artist, and stomping it out of teens is just gonna make it harder to find artists five, ten years down the line.
Good that she doesn't allowed you internet until you getting older,Your mom is wonderful parent🥺
Honestly, I'm very happy that more and more people starting to agree on this. We should be kinder to each other, we have our own journeys.
But I can agree on bullying your best friend. It's just a special level of friendship
It’s really sad how older people do these to young artists, they barely even know how to arts themselves!!
We all really appreciate the message that Nirami has made today and helps out a lot since I am also a young artist who really appreciates this!!!💖💖💖
Cringe
Who the F cares lmao
Yall are just F twitter crybabies
I’m 12 an as an artist I know the difference between criticism and being rude which is apparently hard for some grown adults that spend all day bullying children
I don't know what to say but I had a tiktok account like 5 years ago and I was very dramatic in those years. Lying on the bed in my room one day, I got a message saying, 'You're so stupid and I'm sure no one loves you. And as far as I can remember, I was constantly thinking about it and getting upset during that week. That's why I have to say that it's not good for people to lash out at people, big or small, on social media. Finally someone talked about it, and I'm so happy that you're the one talking about it.
There are also people that maliciously disguise their bully tactics as “constructive criticism”. Like in the form of gaslighting, their word choice, or just the way they critique other artists. The fact that these trolls would even do this to minors is gross af
I was pushed off art for a very long time due to my family bullying me over it. Eventually i just stopped. I no longer felt good about my art or my dreams and i stopped and entered a really bad mental space. Art was my release, without it i was lost and comfused and majorly depressed. I felt like a failure and lost my confidence and began isolating myself. I thought about ending it. It was my fiance and an amazing art teacher to encourage encourge me and now ive made a piece recently that ive only ever dreamt of achieving that skill level. It made me so happy and proud. I feel like i can finally reach my dreams, itfeels so close. But i wonder where i would be now had my family actually encouraged and supported me and if i never quit.
Bullying is never okay, even if you think its harmless, its not. That person youre laughing at, is still a person. With emotions. And it still hurts just as much when someone shits all over them. Would you like something youve put so much of yourself into snd that youre proud of to be ripped to pieces and ridiculed? No? Then dont do it to someone else.
Thank you for sharing your story. I’m really sorry your family pushed you away from what you loved the most.
It’s so good that someone was able to help you take that step back into art again after the horrible experience you had to endure. Make sure you’re surrounded by those who support you and love you for you and remind yourself that there is no such thing as perfection. Even professionals have room to improve.
When i was a teen, i had a friend to whom i looked up to in relation to art. Their art was very pretty and i wanted to evolve like them. Problem was whenever i showed them art, they would only criticize (i don’t say bullying because it wasn’t like “ew” it was like oh thats impossible, thats incorrect, that color isn’t good, that isn’t good, etc.) and i started to just constantly doubt myself so i quite literally stopped drawing for years and if there ever was a point where i drew something i was embarrassed to show it to people or for people to see it. I only started drawing again once i cut that person out of my life (for various different toxic reasons) and i lost years that i could’ve used as practice. The point is, you can totally give pointers and critique art but being nice is such a great push and yeah whenever i see my old art when i was a kid, i cringe at it but i also look at it in awe as to how much i have evolved in general and how much I enjoyed drawing at that time. Give them time, they’re doing their best and they’re enjoying themselves. If you have nothing nice to say just don’t say anything at all :)
I had a friend who was the same way, when I was 14 I remember they told me that they would always criticize my drawings in their head. They’re better now but those comments just don’t leave you-
@@arandomavocado6021 i get you 😞 its a real shame when ppl u think are ur friends say something that completely shatters you and the way you think about them
You can make fun of your own old art all you want, but kids aren't gonna paint fricken Mona Lisa!
not even twitter has done this, but tiktok has manage to home one of the WORST shittiest online art communities I've ever seen, they straight up pride themselves on being rude and mean to other artists who makes mistakes, since its an app that teenagers can easily make videos on with little to no effort, they'll use that to spread genuine hate and garner others who thinks like them, and vwala, drama and hatred, its mostly from chronically online 13-17 year olds on there and its so sad.
Joking should amuse, not abuse 😔
As long as everyone is laughing and the one being made fun of themself is, then it's a joke. As long as it is executed right imo
My sister is trying to draw eyes, she’s 2 years younger than me ( I’m not the best artist but I’m decent enough) so I have been teaching my sister to look at references or myself ( she wanted to learn how to draw an eye angry-looking ) so I drew her some different versions of angry eyes or people and it’s working. :D
bullying young artists is unfortunately nothing new in the art community from the ye old days of deviantart rants and art cringe comps to now on tiktok
yet somehow this feels worse/ even scummier than those times to me and I think it's because at least then people knew they were being mean and didn't try to find any 'moral' excuses for being mean they just made fun of the art because they thought it was cringe, now people wanna justify themselves being shitty and dogpiling on young artists by trying 'find'/ make up excuses for them being shitty to literal children. I remember during the rendering process drama/trend- when ppl tried to justify their actions by claiming the artist was racist, homophobic, etc. spoiler alert: those claims were false.
There's something really gross to me about someone bullying of you and then claiming they have the moral highground for doing such with made up evidence of shitty things that you've done and saying therefore you actually deserved it.
This is why sometimes when I'm scrolling and see some kid's art or animation, I give them a like and give them a compliment, even if it's not good. It gives them the encouragement they need to keep improving and keep doing what theg love. I feel like we need more love and less hate!
Awwe Nirami is so kind😭 we stan Nirami🩷
THIS WOMAN GETS IT. We need more people like this in the world. Massive respect to you, man. 👍
Bullying in the art community is the reason I gave up on art. I'm happy people are finally talking about how toxic the art community can be.
Great video. I don’t understand why it’s always such a trend to bully kids who are just trying to have fun. It just makes it hard for people to like themselves and have fun. Art is subjective and creative and is meant to be expressive. If anyone made fun of my art when I was younger it would’ve destroyed me. I’m glad you made a video on this!
People need to understand the difference between criticism and bullying. It pisses me off even more when people bully a younger/newer artist when they cant even draw or arent even an artist themselves.
Everyone is on their own artist journey. We learn through our mistakes and have fun with it. Just because we're stunning commisioner-level artist does not make us lesser or bad. It just means there's some more things we have to learn. And we shouldn't be ridiculed for proudly displaying it :
Why can't people just give constructive criticism and NOT laugh at peoples art? We would have a better world and Art community if people would just help someone. God, this topic pisses me off so much.
I can agree with this with your niece
As someone who is 14 years and still drawing body types and I get made fun because they say "I can draw way better than you" or "Why do you draw like that I don't like how you draw" I just draw differently and when I came down to Announcing my OCs Sexualities and Gender identities Someone decided to call me H1tler for burning down the books of real history because my one character is transgender and told me to grow up and when it comes to TikTok it's toxic and sometimes I'm glad they're taking it down soon but still everyone has their different ways to draw and that's ok
I am so so thankful that I wasn't online as an artist until I was 14, and that the only place to post art was on DeviantArt at the time. It protected me from this kind of treatment.
It’s not right that others are trying to justify bullying and I’m glad you’re trying to spread a little awareness about this 🩶🩶
Also your animations are soo amazing!
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help why'd I laugh at the part with her niece 😭😭😭
This has made me so frustrated, bullying people for expressing themselves in a safe and healthy way, like what’s wrong with that? I would be in a really different place if I got bullied for my art because when I really got into it I was in a bad head space and art was one of the few things keeping me going. So for me art is very important and I want be supportive of artist young and old, regardless of skill, if a Mary sue oc makes you happy and it isn’t hurting anyone in the process then I think it’s fine. I wanna see more artist thrive and become like amazing, this starts with being supportive of their art and helping them if they ASK for it. Just frustrating we need to be more supportive to each other
Practice makes perfect, and everyone was a beginner at some point. Why are people on TikTok so fine with bullying others, and why bully children??
I work with younger kids from 6-12! They can be very difficult. I handle them in Summer daycamp!
One particular girl looked up to me when she saw the way I drew, and I was honored (I’m an art student).
She started to draw and ask me to teach her. Was she obnoxious at times? Yes. Oh my word- yes. But what was I meant to expect? She’s a 10-12 year old girl who doesn’t know how to communicate. She’s in the process of maturing!
She liked to flaunt a lot and be like “I draw very good for my age 😌” and she would critique other kids who drew as well (it was critiques on how to draw in her style btw- they didn’t ask for it either).
I’ll be blunt when I say this: her art was cringe just like every beginner artists’ art starts out. We all need to start somewhere. However- even though both her behavior and art were difficult to swallow- I remember smiling at her and saying something along the lines of this: “well there’s always room for improvement! Even professionals keep on improving. It’s important to remember that. So honestly- there is no such thing as being “good for your age”. There isn’t really a standard- it’s something that develops! For example- my hands could improve- and a person younger than me could probably draw them more anatomically accurately than I can! Just like how I believe your eyes could could be more accurate, yanno? It also depends on the person and style. Everyone’s different! There is no such thing as a perfect artist! There is always room to improve!”
And because she was 10-12 of course she didn’t like being equal with people- she wanted to be better/the best. While that behavior is repulsive- I have to realize that it’s a part of maturing. It’s out of there control and only time and experience can change them. I need to be respectful to a child because my respect will be something they hopefully remember and learn from! :]
Holy heck!
When I opened this video, I didn’t expect to see your face!
You look pretty as always, haha
We should definitely defend children and younger artist, I’m so glad that you agree! Great video as alway ^_^
Ok, I know this is a serious sort of video, but 1:45 - 2:22 made me go to my grave-
But your connection and relationship with your niece is very sweet
The fact that ppl have become SO comfortable with bullying just shows how much it's been normalized which Is so sad bc they don't understand how wrong it actually is😭
ofc it's not an excuse there prob being ignorant and choose not to listen no matter how many ppl tell them it's wrong it's kinda sad
Also bro your so pretty!💞
i was on a discord server one time and a person asked if it was weird to draw fan art of a creator they liked, which i mean ofc not, its fan art, but then this other person (who was already being kind of bitchy in that server, ie mini modding and all that) comes over and says it IS weird, their exact words were "drawing real people is weird and creepy" and i tried to defend the first person but they ended up saying that they had thrown all their past fan arts they had made in the trash and honestly i was completely heartbroken like who in their right mind decided that it was ok to be that horrible?
I wonder how that second person would think about Leonardo DaVinci now seeing as though the Mona Lisa was a portrait of a real person.
This just in: ‘DaVinci actually cringe now?’
@@lulub517 dude is gonna be frothing at the mouth when they realize that people irl actually ask to be drawn (cash involved ofc)
Going thru that "cringe" phase on your art journey is so vital to an artist's growth and for them to see how far they've come. Other artists judging kids for making said art (the art which probably isn't as bad as they make it out to be) when those same artists know damn well they drew just like that when they were young is truly disheartening; it's disheartening to me and the entire MATURE side of the art community that knows it's just a bunch of kids drawing what they like.
not related to the vid but Nirami's appearance looks so similar to her artstyle 🙏💖
THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING!!!‼️‼️‼️
I'll never understand people who insults people's skills. They're not going to become masters at stuff over night just because you insulted it. I hope this stops because no one should be made fun of.
Props to you being the bigger person and talking abt it, I didn't even know this was truly a thing but people act like u don't start somewhere. Like I don't think I have ever seen a baby that draws like picaso as soon as it started to draw idk, you improve in art and as a person, I don't understand why people hold these things against them for so long instead of helping the person through it
same thing goes for kids wearing animal masks and jumping around pretending to be animals. like, don't tell me you didn't pretend that you're the cat in the "family" game, or that you were a mermaid or pirate or zombie or all these things you cannot be in reality. "they're humans, not animals!" and they know that. but let them live their life. when i was 7 i was acting like a cat meanwhile my brother was my caretaker and he'd pretend to make me food and then jump around with me until our parents told us to "stop acting like children". My own parents are literally the kind of people to not let kids be kids and that fucked me over so hard, i would run into my room and cry and punch myself and pull my hair, blaming myself for "being so dumb and weird", for being a kid, at 9 years old, i hated myself, and i'm still struggling with self-hatred after more than 7 years. Stop it. Stop this. Let kids be kids. Let them be weird. Let them be cringe. Let them live their childhood. Stop ruining it.
I wanna say that I've seen a pattern when it comes to art drama it's always coming from tiktok tho I don't know about the other social media platforms I know that tiktok really has a toxic environment and I think we shouldn't let insecure little art kids face that really toxic and discouraging audience
As a 13yo kid I can confirm that people bully kids for nothing, but I have one rule: If you bully me, I bully you.
(Karma has no menu) You get served what you deserved.
Honestly, for a kid that's a pretty decent way of looking at it. Although, if you're trying to clap back you gotta be careful kid. Some fights you just can't win, especially when it's a "speed talker".
If all else fails ignore it. Just don't let it affect you and make that clear to them lol
@@bigman1163 If I can't win in a fight, I can just tell it to my dad, he will give a knife.
@@Kira_Yashikarni You went from a decent albeit flawed way of looking at it to a way i wouldn't recommend to anyone.
I read when the first ‘chat rooms’ were created, the team, literally COWORKERS, immediately started bullying each other. 😂 idk what it is about the cyberspace that makes people feral 😂😂😂
The factor of anonymity I guess. Even if you know the person, the internet provides this false sense of security with an escape from reality.
I’m a young artist, and people in my school are always say, ‘their the best at drawing’ to me. I personally hate this quote. I’m not better at ANYONE else at drawing. That’s because we all draw in our own styles, and some people just simply don’t like drawing. And when I see stuff online like, ‘I’m the best at drawing in my year’ videos, it’s disgusting. We all go at our own pace in our own styles, so ‘better’ is stupid. Have a great day y’all :)
Please do not worry about this, babushka! Your neice does not deserve this kind of treatment. We will be with you all the way 💛
Honestly I’m so glad you’ve made this video. I dont get what people find in bullying kids, it’s just gonna discourage them from doing what they love or stop being somebody. All of us have atleast started somewhere.
I work with kids. I see a LOT of bad art that is earnestly given to me in excitement and pride. You know what I do when handed the ugliest, half traced, gallingly colored with whatever was on hand, disasters to ever be put on paper? I look at the kid, smile, say thank you, find at least one vague thing to compliment (I usually go for "I love the color choices!") and put it in a drawer that will be cleaned out after an appropriate amount of time has passed (and six new peices that have already buried it) Kid walks away happy, and starts a new drawing. If the kid gives me a lot of them, I might start gently giving suggestions for "something to try" to nudge them towards improvement without ruining their fun. But the only thing I lecture them on is proper hand stretches! I have gotten so many wonky drawings of Ice Spice, and I will have to find something positive to say about many more. If I can manage that, then there is no reason to feel so personally attacked by the mere existence of bad art in a space accessible to you.
The thing is when you said that "we expect minors to act like adults." Is that some of us went trough the same thing as kids. So It's strange seeing others pushing that same mentality onto the next generation, and it is frustrating.
You look exactly how you draw yourself (and very cool!! we have the same headphones :3)
Honestly, I hate it when I see people making fun of beginner artists, because all artists have been at that level before, and your basically shaming someone for trying to get better at art. And constructive criticism is ok, but there is a difference between criticism and just straight up being mean about it.
Oh my god, no matter the age, skillset, and interests of the artist, no one should ever be sending death threats, bullying and harassing them for it.
Don't discourage artists from doing what they enjoy as long as what they're doing is harmless. Don't take the fun away from making art- doing so only makes you a loser.
also you look so much like your cartoon counterpart its amazing
Being a bully is low-key so embarrassing.
3 Months late but ok but fr you mad that Im being me wth is the logic🤨
@@UnpaidTaxes_ who are you?
There is no justifying being a bully. Constructive criticism is one thing but bullying is a totally different story; for example:
Constructive criticism: "Hey your drawing is looking good, but maybe try and draw the eyes a little closer next time, But for now very well done!"
Bullying: "bro, the eyes are like so astronomically far appart like they're practically on the sides of the head! You should just quit there is like no hope for you in art lol."
Hi, I'm a newer person that's joined the youtube art community recently. And in my opinion it's kind of scary seeing all this cyber-bullying going around, especially when I'm just dipping my toes into the online community. Newer and inexperienced artist are just trying to figure out what their doing, whether it be anatomy, their art-style, or just making random weird stuff for fun. I don't believe they should be bullied for just doing something they love. Unless the things their drawing is very problamatic and isn't just them making just mistakes, but even then they shouldn't be bullied but respectively corrected.
Thank you for making this video and bringing to light how problematic this situation is.❤
there was a minor on tiktok who made their eyes on their art a little too high and litural adults bullied them off the internet and were happy about it that they did a good thing. People can be so sick.
It’s honestly very disappointing when adults bully a minor it creates nothing but a bad environment for them and puts there efforts and dreams down. Support and tips should be kind and not bullying and putting them down.
(sigh)...I'm 38 years old and my drawing skills still leave much to be desired. I couldn't imagine picking on someone else just for drawing what they want. Basic human decency isn't too much to ask for. The bar is on the ground. The easiest thing anybody will ask you to do is to not be a dick to people on the internet. Well said, Nirami. Thank you for making this video.
Art isn’t something you do to be good at. It’s something you do to have fun, and enjoy. And the fact that most people and ARTISTS THEMSELVES are not understanding that is ridiculously concerning. Some people think that having the courage to stand up to and bully somebody on the internet is bravery. It’s not. It’s merely a definition of stupidity.
Man I remember when I started drawing like a almost a year ago and I wanted to show what I made to my friend and he tore that drawing into tiny shreds. Now I just always hate my drawings
is that your friend anymore
Leave him
Dump him
stay away from your "friend"
We all start off some where as an artist and that some where may not be the greatest but we need to push on not pushed back because that will never get us any where in life especially being afraid of what hater’s think and say because what they say is not true u will become better at art by practice and u will find what style works for u so stay strong and don’t believe what the haters say cause there just jealous cause they can’t draw so keep doing what u do as an artist and don’t care what bad people say about ur art ur art will get better and better so please believe in ur self and keep on doing art even if people don’t like it ❤❤❤ cause there are people out there that do like ur art so don’t give up just keep trying and don’t get pushed back ❤❤❤
4:21 I FEEL ATTACKED💀💀
But you put everything I needed to say in this video. It’s sad to see grown ass people making fun of little children’s art on the internet..it’s honestly pathetic. Thank you nirami
Damn I feel really bad now. I didn’t understand how bad it is til now for some reason. I’m going to stop.
Art 'critics' try not to bully children challenge (impossible)
Why THANK YOU Nirami, FINALLY someone understands that (oter that the smart people Who know that they also know this, I can't name everyone so, yeah -v-)
Like, dò some audults ACTUALLY Need to make fun of a kid to feel Better with themselves? I know It's not everybody, but, y'know ._.
Honestly back when we were beginners we were mostly surrounded by people who would love and support every bit of art we made. In my case my parents and classmates etc. That's why I have to tip toe when giving my friend art advice and such because one wrong word could crush that artist innocence
I am very happy that your speaking out about this kind of behaviour. Just the other day I was in the store getting some food and I witnessed two full grown adults, one of them appearing way older then the other, arguing like kids about something that I couldn’t even understand. Neither of them were really handling the situation well and it baffles me that even people that have been on this earth several times longer then me can act so dumb and childish for no good reason in public. Kids have a right to act childish because, well, their children, as long as thier not being A-holes I can get past it. But fricking adults like 9 year olds both in public and online is just plain stupid, and I feel like there should be more resources in general to filter this kind of crap out of our lives. But hey, that’s just my though.
4:55
That’s what happened to me. I was always interested in art growing up. I still consider myself a creative, but I mostly right now. I vividly remember trying people who are my mom students at the time as anthropomorphic characters. As well as drawing two family friends who I thought were really cool, as anthropomorphic characters. I was really into wolves at the time, so that’s why I went that route. I’ll never forget the look that those people gave me or how bad they made me feel
....and I’m 28, and closer to 29 now than 28.
***write
Jeez that was an ironic typo. I was talk texting most of this and it won’t let me edit for some reason lol
Oh and I was 11.
Tiktok is such a negative space filled to the brim with sheep and bandwagons for bored people. Had to quit it was so exhausting
Honestly what ticks me off the most is the ones respond to calling out this behavior with "kids shouldn't be on the internet" even when its a teen kid and not some kindergartner. Like, even if you ignore how completely impossible and UNREASONABLE (not to mention usually hypocritical) in this day and age that is, it reads a lot like them just figuring out that some of the people they bully are kids which makes them look worse than if they were bullying adults so they just make excuses about their treatment of the kid instead of addressing the fact they shouldn't treat anyone like that! Too often I've seen people confuse deconstructive criticism, and even just plain degrading bullying, with constructive criticism. Its like the bullies have figured out the "its just a joke" excuse doesn't work anymore so now they hide behind "constructive" criticism.
And a lot of it is just not letting a kid be proud of their progress, like every bully ever the put someone down because of a superiority complex.
Exactly!🙃
As I scroll Instagram, TikTok, UA-cam and others if I see a beginner artists no matter the age I'll leave a little message or comment on a good aspect of their art then give a little tip on anatomy like trying to make it less stiff. That is the appropriate way of criticism for beginners not bullying someone's passion.
you are absolutery right in everything. i'm so tired and bored of all the sht that happens in the art community. when i couldn't speak english for sht i used to think that my home country's com was the worst and most toxic of all, but i had been so wrong. it's so normalized to harass children and not only them for crazy things such as being a little hypocrite which all of us actually tend to be?? or for being unskilled, or for being a little bit more politically right than the majority of artist are used to. i am tired of this to be honest, but i don't think i will someday leave this community anyway, because besides all the crazy stuff there are still many lovely features that make our community nice
i actually love how you look! you are so beatiful by your own, like a doll
блин, лол, я только сейчас поняла, что это нирами!! аххаха, то есть я могла не позориться своим английским
твоё творчество прекрасно
Your videos bring me great joy, and witnessing your dedication to standing up for kids has earned my utmost respect.
to the people, who send death threats and constantly bully children, imagine, if you were in kindergarten and your teacher ripped up a drawing you were proud of and told you to go die in a hole. wouldn't that hurt? would that be fair? dont bully little kids. they deserve to have a childhood just like everyone.
As someone who loves drawing cartoony characters like you, your art inspires me to get better. This video just solidified my respect for you
I found my old unfinished comic and it was like stickmen and solid shapes with eyes but I tried for sure. And the characters were surprisingly well written? I decided to compare it to my art now. Yes! Yes, I improved. I'm still learning but my art's definitely better.
I agree I just don’t like when they are doing it for the views and think when they just started art to get millions of views
“You’re a child!?!? NO!!! ENOUGH WITH THIS CHILDISH BEHAVIOR, CHILD!!!!!!!”
Why she looks like her art style 😭,so gorgeous