why I HATE the colour wheel (commentary + speedpaint)
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2023
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BTW this is just a hot take and I'm not forcing u to change to the slider man. u don't have to agree w me and i dont gotta ageee w u! so pls stop insulting my skill level in the comments 😰 thanks have a groovy day!
hey guys its zepy beefing w the colour wheel ,,, yes an inanimate object i have hit new lows,, but i do actually have a point behind all the nonsense so stick around for reasons why you should instead use the juicy delicious colour slider mmm yummy
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I feel like I need to remind some people in the comments that my opinion not aligning with yours doesn't justify an attack on me or my skills as an artist! This video is optional advice and im not FORCING you to do anything. We are both allowed to be right while having differing opinions. A lot of people have told me they've gotten a wakeup call from this video and if you don't find yourself in the same situation I honestly don't need to know. Please control yourself in the comments and remember this is a public space.
@@zepn1
maybe take accountability for how well you delivered your message in the video, rather than blaming everyone else for not figuring it out?
you seem comfortable denouncing any criticism with “just go away :”)” or “this isn’t meant for you,” or “you misunderstood my sarcasm.”
maybe you FAILED to express it was sarcasm? maybe you should've thrown in a clear “im just joking" in the start, instead of posthumously chucking a disclaimer into a comment after someones already finished the video. you are very narcissistic, in that you automatically place the burden on OTHERS to try to decipher what was clearly YOU failing to deliver your message as a creator.
if you’re gonna play the “its hyperbolic” card, do you even want me to take the video seriously? if so, why is the burden on us to figure out what is serious or not? especially when its the topic of the entire video
you are not the center of the universe, take the feedback. stop saying “just leave then” like you didnt ask for people to come, as if you didnt make a video for the explicit purpose of people seeing it.
you keep replying to comments, very clearly insecure and erratic about being "in the wrong," maybe tiktok has rotted your brain in that respect. but you definitely seem a little status obsessed,
i just dont like you. i think you're the type to trendsurf on "niche" things because it makes you unique and feeds your ego, but never actually enjoy those things in a honest way.
im sure deep down you dont give a fuck what im saying because you pride yourself with some followers a phone app algorithm gave you, so maybe it’ll take your content falling off for you to care
im gonna criticize your video (which was bad)
PLEASE GIVE DA YOKAI MUSIC NAME
i can accept the color wheel with square/triangle but i cannot accept the color wheel with circle
God I hate that circle. It haunts my nightmares.
the circle is just so complicated for no reason like whaat??
Same cuz it always takes me so long to find the color I'm looking for 😭✋
Omg me too the circle is awful
FR- it’s so hard to get a perfect white 😭
I disagree about it being too big. It isn't big enough! That thing should take an entire freaking tab, it would be more precise and would even end up looking pretty.
Yea but it wouldn’t be very good for ppl who don’t use big fancy monitors and the only possible solution I can think of for that would be very ugly and inconvenient to switch between 😭
@@reap3514 i draw on my phone, i already have to open a different tab to access _the weel™_ .
I just want to share this experience.
I agree
I DO MUCH AGREE
I wish the colour wheel square was a bunch of pixels of one precise hue, and not just blended hues like it is 💔
Videos in the art community are usually really repetitive, but this is a take that I've never heard before. When I first saw the title, I thought this was going to be a bait vid / a joke 😭, but you convinced me! I'm trying the colour slider tonight when I draw
Same tbh
same
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i don’t think the color wheel is bad and i don’t think the slider is bad either. for beginner artists, i think it’s a matter of personal preference and seeing what they are most comfortable with. honestly, if you just learn color theory the color wheel is easier to learn. my go to is dragging it diagonally and shifting the hue slightly into a cooler tone to get a good shading color 🤷♀️ a rlly cool take tho!!
i use ibispaint and something i really like is that you can use both the color wheel and the sliders at the same time. there are instances where i want to pick a base color so i will use the color wheel, but i work with the sliders when figuring out shading.
how do you change it to the color slider :)
@@Kimcakeo press the giant > button (not the top one)
@@-cat_in_space- wat
@@Kimcakeo i answered your question???
@@-cat_in_space- but I don’t understand wher
Gotta disagree with the slider is better. If you know how color theory works for both, you know you need to move the colors including the outer ring. Many professionals used it but I understand that artists has their own comfort zone and level of knowledge how they see colors.
Can someone share any tips for how to use the colour slide better? Whenever i even TRY to use it to shade, the hue/saturation slide always seems to confuse me :^
Hey, I use the color slider a lot, and I struggled a lot with shading as well! So let me give you a run down.
When I'm shading, I like to slide the saturation up three or four degrees, the value/brightness/luminosity down two or three degrees, and the hue maybe one or two degrees cooler or warmer.
You can also shade with a completely different color and use blending modes on the layer to get a different effect (I usually use multiply or overlay)
There are many different ways to shade, and just as many ways to highlight! It all depends on your personal style and the tone you want to go for. Maybe shading with blue hues give the artwork a sadder or calmer feeling whole shading with red will give it a more active feeling? Try it out!! Hope this helps :]
Uhhh okay I’m going to need you to be a bit more specific about what you struggle with, I think you know what hue and saturation is, but let me know if that’s actually the problem or not.
Just dont, the color wheel is better
the best way to use the sliders is removing the sliders and installing a color wheel.
@pingpenne9487 @qaz2240 wow! What a helpful and insightful tutorial! You must be an amazing artist :)
In all seriousness, the person was genuinely looking for help. If they wanted to use a color wheel, they'd use a color wheel. I know it's difficult, but try not to comment stupid, unnecessary shit, ok?
I disagree with this video, in fact, I disagree so much that I’d be willing to making my own 9 minute video debunking this one, BUT I love your art, and anyone willing to give Yo Kai Watch some attention gets an A in my book! 👍
I'd watch your debunking video lmaoo
I wouldn't watch
I’d definitely watch that! I think the main issue with this video is that these problems they had with the color wheel don’t apply to everyone’s program or personal experience or preference. They should have instead presented their problems with it and said “if you have similar problems, here’s an alternative you may wanna try!” Or something
i’d watch it lol
please do, the arguments are so dumb, we're still able to shift hues in the same directions with the wheel and getting the perfect color looks even more unprecise and complex with the sliders
I think you've solved my personal problem with the color wheel. I never really thought about how much more straightforward the sliders are In comparison to the wheel. I've been mind blown 🤯
i've been noticing that color wheel/square is confusing at times so i'll definitely try out the slider thx for this video
Knowing when and how to hue shift, using appealing color harmonies, and color relativity isn't a UI color wheel issue. They're skill/knowledge issues. For example, when people say use complimentary colors they don't mean literally bright saturated yellow and bright saturated purple right next to each other and with equal amounts. You're being intentionally obtuse, It's way more nuanced than that. Your argument is like saying that because a steering wheel *allows* you to swerve your car around like a drunkard, that therefore you *should* steer that way, and that the manufactures' intention was to harm you. No.
The color wheel is just a graphical representation - It doesn't trick you to do anything. Be lucid and think about the decisions you are making. What is the direction of the light? What hue should the ambient light be? Will the shadows be warm? What is the intended mood of the picture?... etc. You should be thinking these things, not: "ah yes, I'm getting gaslit by the funny square. Clearly that is why my art looks bad."
At the end of the day, you can use the wheel and HSV slider in conjunction. The wheel for intuitive decisions and slider for precise adjustments. And that's not the only way either when CTRL + U is there to adjust already placed colors on the fly. The screen real estate issue is very much a personal one. Do some commissions and buy another monitor if space is really such a hassle.
I get it. Art tutorials online are very same-y. It's fun to have a quirky take to feel like you're ahead of the curve somehow. But this really just comes off as contrived. Part of me can't tell if this was satire, so If it was bait, excellent job. You got me.
IM SAYING LIKE
i don't think anybody should hate it to, because if you don't like it then, that doesn't mean everybody else should. If people think's it's helpful for them then it's helpful for them. That's because you hate it or don't like it that's just you other people like it and it shouldn't be an issue for you for you to understand that.
Your only good point in this is the lack of a numerical aspect with the digital color wheel, which can easily be solved by incorporating RGB adjustment into your workflow
@@bones1530 i use firealpaca for drawing with my drawing tablet and it has rgb values along with color wheel (though you have to manually type to change rgb values) and even that is enough for me 😭 ibis paint does it way better but the feel of firealpaca is better for me. And these are FREE programs
+ firealpaca also shows hex value, i forgot to mention that
What about size? I use a pretty small laptop and I barely have any canvas space bc of Color Wheel... (I use Krita bc Im broke)
@@jeppy4021 declutter your display however you want idrc
@@jeppy4021fire alpaca allocates screen space pretty well. The only things that fight for space on my screen is the reference and the navigator. And that's just cause I don't wanna put the ref on another screen, even though I totally could. Also, fire alpaca can either show you hex values or RGB values along with the color wheel/slider.
i feel like pretty much all the points in this video are just things about people not using colour theory rather than having anything to do with the colour wheel or 2d selector? you say that using the wheel discourages hue variation which i just see no reason to think is true -- if anything the hue wheel being spread over a larger wheel compared to the tiny slider would make adjusting the colour in your shading layers easier, because you have more control over how much you're changing the hue. I could also argue separating the brightness and saturation sliders might make people more likely to exclusively drop the brightness in their shadows which usually just makes them look dusty/washed out.
i agree most of the broad advice about colours you gave here is true, it's just very unrelated to the actual colour picking tool. someone who doesn't understand colour theory isn't going to magically understand it because they switch to using sliders, and is almost certainly going to continue making the mistakes you mentioned when using sliders regardless
(i don't even use a colour wheel, though i do use the 2d saturation-brightness square. but this is just blaming tools for something not caused by the tools)
Most artists online have very little technical training, when you can just post your drawings on tiktok and get hundreds of thousands of people patting you on the back, there's not much incentive to actually learn.
@@_B_E LMAO i wish i got hundereds of thousands patting me on the back maybe i'd still be drawing.
i knew i wasn't the only one who didn't like the wheel that much
i always prefer using the slider because the wheel is not my type of tool, although i do use it in some especific cases when i don't know how to achieve an specific shade of color
good video, really enjoyed it
i honestly prefer the wheel to the slider and i feel like a heathen now 😭😭😭
me too 🤝also 1 minute ago lol
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I like the wheel to because the slider can be confusing and it’s easy for me to get the colors I want
don't feel like a heathen lol, it's okay to have different opinions. Just use what works best for you, this video isn't proper advice because it's just a personal opinion presented as fact
just remember there's no "right" way to do art. use what u prefer and what works best for u! adjust to YOUR preferences. if u like the color wheel, use it! i think this person is just trying to present a really really harmful and strong opinion as fact and push it onto other artists. your opinion is what matters in the end, use whatever u want as long as it gets u ur intended result :D
I find it kind of weird how you say that both the square colour wheel and the triangle one are bad but then you only show an example of using the square one. Personally I find the triangle wheel way more intuitive and it fixed all the hue variation and saturation issues I've had. I don't have any issues with precision now either, but it wouldn't matter anyway because I filter and adjust my colours with curves and sliders all the time.
in my opinion, i love the color wheel. it has a type of style that helps me pick out colors pretty fast. pallets are okay. i mainly use them to remember colors i use for my comics, but if im just illustrating something, i always go for the color wheel. ive tried the color square and sliders, but they dont do it for me and sliders make me feel bored lol
color wheel with the triangle is the best because its easy to understand compared to the square color wheel. XD Just search up ''Which COLOR PICKER is Best for Digital Art?'' and you see what I mean.
Guys just remember! Every artist color in its on way, there are artists that have a big knowledge of how to use the color wheel, and can use very well, and there are some that prefer other ways, it just depends on how u prefer k?
Honestly ive never had a single one of these issues with the color wheel lol. I find it to be faster than sliders and i get the same result with both. You just have to know how to use them
I use a combo of the color wheel and sliders! It's easier for me to see the color wheel on sai but the numbers on the sliders are super helpful for getting those little bits of value and hue difference!
Hi, professional merch artist of 7 years here: I disagree- wildly. most of what youre describing is known promblems within inexperienced artists. Beginner mistakes. what the kids these days call a "skill issue". Every professional art program that I have ever used has had both a color wheel and a set of quantifiable sliders underneath it. this is so we can both visualize within a field of hue relativity AND have that level of precision. it functionally gives you better control in a professional space.
PLUS, if you are a professional artist, and that is Your Goal, It depends wildly on what KIND of artist you are. Graphic Designers and Illustrators for Screen are in a much different level of freedom than Graphic Designers and Illustrators for print- because for print, sliders alone mean next to nothing, because you are at the complete mercy of CMYK. A color piece that looks perfectly fine in RGB is going to look like a Hot Mess in CMYK. if you add in the fact that youre not going to have any visual clue about how these colors may work together without applying an ICC color profile to your color wheel, youre going to make something that looks a wet paper bag in comparison when it goes to the printer. Youre not even utilizing the powers of layer styles upon these colors, either. and then when youre doing other stuff, anything that requires acrylic mixing or enamels or paint- you have to throw all of this out the window and use pantone alone.
This is not a convincing argument to anyone who does art in a professional and heavily monetary capacity. what this IS, is an excellent tip for beginner artists to not get caught in the trap of a sincerely basic color wheel.
This is also completely dependent on your art program. I, for one, use Krita. Krita is free, but its only for PC. (It might be for desktop mac too, but like... thats a different argument.) Someone who's using an iOS only or Android only program or heck, even just a different program for PC, is not going to have this same issue.
tl;dr: This is a Bad Take, and you're allowed to be Wrong. If it works for you, thats fine, but youre limiting yourself and you shouldnt preach this as gospel. Theres a REASON professionals do the things we do.
Can I see your portfolio?
@@OmegaBestial-zq8ge UA-cam does not allow external links within comments or requests to look elsewhere and would simply remove my comment before it got to you.
Also for Contractual Reasons, I am legally not allowed to show anyone who isnt a potential employer.
@@VincentWhite Looks like BS but I am not a professional merch artist so...alright.
@@OmegaBestial-zq8ge I have to have my booth employees personal information in the portfolio and they can Sue Me if I Doxx Them.
Merch Artist Porfolios function as Full Resumes of both yourself and anyone who will be within the space with you, because Employers are Busy and if they have to click any buttons it slows them down tremendously and that means infinitely less chances for employment.
UA-cam actually doesn't allow links haha
and normally these "contractual reasons" are noncompete clauses or something.@@OmegaBestial-zq8ge
Most of your criticisms of the wheel don’t apply to me or my program at all lmao. The color slider is harder for me, I only use it if I need to adjust a color.
Feel like you could have worded this video better. Like, list out what you don’t like about the color wheel and then say “if you also have these problems, why don’t you try out the color slider?” And explain the color slider.
The color wheel isn’t a bad tool and can work better for some people. In this video it comes across as you saying the color wheel is the objectively worse tool when that’s just up to opinion and personal preference..
Great video and solid points! As someone who uses both simultaneously, I can both vouch for the color sliders AND defend the color wheel lolol.
For me personally, the color slider is rather too precise. It's TINY on my monitor, which requires way too much effort for me to accurately hit the arrow (honestly skill issue on my end). I find it useful when I'm doing painting and need to pick a shade that's relatively similar to the other colors. Slider's also great if you either need the extra UI space, or you prefer something more "equal" like mentioned in the vid.
As for the color wheel, I find that being more proactive in your hue variations definitely helps with a lot of the issues. When I was a beginner, even though I used the slider, I had NO idea about hue shifting. So in my opinion, it's definitely something one would have to keep in mind, wheel or slider. Regarding the inaccuracies, very valid, but for me I never settle down with one color right away, so regardless of wheel or slider, I'll be changing it either way lol.
Overall, It's very dependent on your workflow and honestly? Just use whatever works for you imo. A combination of both works wonderfully for me, they allow both the freedom of color picking that's crucial to my process, and also the precision when I need it! I set these two up next to each other so I can freely switch between them.
THIS! This comment summs it all up! I am an artist who uses both painting style and lineart, and I get this completely. With the painting, it would be great to have more variation and not be precise, I haven't tried that, because I'm a colour-silder lover, but I came to the conclussion weeks ago, that it would def help me to use the wheel
I'm happy you can support this artists take, everyone seems unreasonably mad. Like if you don't like the color slider, whatever. I use it sometimes it's no big deal. Mostly I use the wheel and since I use Krita mobile I have it taking up exactly as much space as I want. Anyway, thanks for being nice
jokes on you ibis paint adds both the color circle and the bars into one thing
This sounds like a YOU problem, the color wheel is fine. All you need to do is know how to change hues. Maybe if you're a beginner, its confusing.
I honestly just ball it and colour slide a colour then mix it with the basic colours to create one as if i was painting traditionally, OR just use the basic colours to mix up a new one. It helps me understand colour when i'm only just mixing it and trying it on traditional, and yeah i agree the colour wheel LITERALLY made me unable to make actual colours because they were. already. there. so i couldn't understand how to do it on my own
tldr colour slider solos
thats so real, only like a few days ago i realized my art looked better if i just mixed colors like it was traditional
I feel like ibisPaint color picker is a good mix because there is a a color wheel and slider mix because it has the basic wheel and then the sliders added
Yes!!!! And the colors are a diamond! Purely the best I can think of!
No thanks, I choose my own destiny.
same
Sorry. Forget my previous comment
If you saw it in your notifs it does not exist 👻
WAKE UP ZEPN1 JUST POSTED
HOLY SHE DID
I WAS ALREADY AWAKE!!!!
It is currently 2am.
I'm very awake. Trust me.
Mmmh, I get the criticism, but at the same time it doesn't feel like the sliders really help. Now every time you want to change color you essentially have to go through three separate steps: hue, saturation and value. On the color wheel you think about the hue and then focus on value and saturation simultaneously which, in my opinion, is much faster and more intuitive. For example: usually shadows are more saturated than the brighter parts; with the color wheel you can saturate and darken your color with a smooth diagonal slide on the square (i do more of a hyperbole motion but still) I also don't see how the bars help with color relativity, if anything the it's much harder to gess how a color would look like by looking at its three components separately. What I use is the color wheel and the sliders right below it just to check hiw things move. But in the end the only important thing is whatever you are using feels good to use
i'm very comfortable with the color wheel lol, been using it for 8 years on paint tool sai. But i gotta say i've never thought this was a real issue! artists not liking the color wheel :0
Some people say they hate the color wheel
Other people say the color wheel is useful
Others say we have our own workflows and are entitled to our own opinions on our use of color
I sAY I FCKING HATE COLOR-
Like many others have said, the color wheel was carefully engineered, you just need to know how to use it. Don't pass this as advice.
i really dont like how this is framed as "art advice", there's your opinion which is fair, but then there's framing the color wheel as like something beginner artists shouldn't be using, which is very misleading. There is a reason why everyone uses it and recommends it you know?
I'm a colour wheel defender
All of these are things you keep in mind while picking your colors, that doesn’t mean the color wheel is bad. And for shadows, you don’t drag it down to black, at least I don’t do that. I pick a cooler color and make it a little darker.
I actually like the colour wheel more than the slider. My reason being I’m colourblind to green and it pisses me off swing just a block of one colour while the rest are a nice little gradient. With the colour wheel being curved it’s not a block and I have an easier time ignoring it.
My cat likes watching ur speed paints (he says hi). UPDATE: we just finished it and he's calmed down 😨 purring aswell, entertaining for me as well THANKS :7
I use both the color wheel and slider cause i like how the color wheel looks :3
Also on flipaclip w the new update theres two colorwheels(w sliders under them) one w a square in the middle and one w a circle, I hate color wheels with circles cayse theres basically no way to get a pure white or black >:(
Me using a colour wheel rn: 💀
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nah but why this sounds like a joke😔😔it's a good thing that you're more comfortable with sliders, but literally none of the arguments against color wheel could be considered plausible. it's not the wheel's fault that you don't know how to apply it to your process.
and thats why SHE prefers the slider
@@jinxxwhisker ... then why start the video like her preference is the only way to pick colors?
@@lisanee okay but the title says why "I" not why you should. plus the pinned comment says its her opinion.
@@jinxxwhisker the thumbnail literally says "NEVER USE THIS"
@@jinxxwhisker she cleaned it up after people told her where she was wrong. i watched the video as it was first uploaded and there was nothing of sorts.
anyway, i have no intention to fight over the matter, nor do i want to attack her. i just don't agree with how she puts things and that's okay. i wish you happy holidays and happy new year!
This makes so much sense. I could never figure out why I was not able to choose the 'right' colors unless I color pick or finish it up with overlay layer and edit the RGB curve.
the whole hue thing is so true like i rarely color my art but when i do and i need shading irs hard having to consistently remind yourself “slide that to the left for a better highlight colour” or whatever
You make the only art commentary/ rants that I will listen to and watch without clicking away half way through 😭 Edit: thanks for accepting our nibbling
I couldn't agree more with the lack of precision the color wheel offers. Give me HSL numbers any day!
I really appreciate how down-to-earth you are. Normally I find “how to / do this, not that” art videos to be daunting, but the simple presentation style really makes the idea more approachable. Like, I’m genuinely gonna try the slider out now, thank you!!
(the yokai watch appreciation helps too, ngl)
love the vid but after seeing sinix's video about ambient occlusion I feel like the color wheel is defiantly a good choice if you know how to use it. For simple artwork, having the colors go in any direction can be daunting, but for something like detailed rendering it can come in handy once you learn what moving the dial in a certain direction means!
honestly idec.. like it’s not like a freaking murder weapon. some people just like the color wheel. i use it bc i can get the exact color i’m thinking of. i use slides too but it’s nothing to get SO angry abt
This is such a specifically hot take that it's actually hilarious.
The only thing I disagree with is the complementary bit.
Those color schemes are good when you seek them out, but they don't work as rules in any way.
I use ibis paint (..cos it's free) and i usually use the colour wheel to get a rough colour out and then edit it and then use the slideys for the rest (aswell as rendering)
Eh, I have zero issues with the wheel, I just can also see my rgb values, plenty quantized there. Also, color schemes rock. As long as you understand value and saturation as well as hue, all the jargon you didn't like can become very useful. Complimentaries are beautiful. As long as each color has an appropriate saturation and value for the composition. Especially complimentaries lole orange and blue and yellow and purple. Using colors inside the x that you can imagine on the wheel is fun. Or whatever shape you imagine on the wheel to make a scheme.
I prefer using both Color Wheel for faster color choosing by eye, and slider for any smaller fixes
I'm really confused because I just... haven't ever had this problem. My app lets me use a colorwheel picker and sliders, and it doesn't take up space because they aren't constantly on my screen.
So... usually I colorpick with the wheel and then I want to get specific colors I use the sliders. I haven't had any issues with getting dull colors even with the color picker, but i dunno.
Hah jokes on you, i use a combination of the colour square and the slider (technically i dont need the square bc the sliders are rhere but ive figured out how the colour square works and for shading and highlighting i just use the same base colour and add layers shading as a multiply layer and add for a highlight layer) i use procreate btw
It's funny, because for me it's the polar opposite! I started with the color slider and kept doing so for a few years. It felt very limiting, and restrictive on how I wanted to pick colors, and I was never satisfied by what I was going for in terms of color. Picking the wheel has somehow help me a lot loosen up on colors, but I still use the slider as a side tool to help on more specific tasks like lowering Value. I think the best feature CSP has is the CYMK slider, which is amazing to work with shading and varying your colors because it affects the hue and will add a less digital/bland note to your art (IMO)
Very interesting to see how artists work with tools and how different their processes are! Nice video
ive never understood how people function with the color wheel like i try to make it slightly brighter and its just an entirely different color
The painting color wheel should be a color _triangle,_ since each secondary color is a microscopic checkered pattern with two primary colors.
The digital color wheel should be a cube, too.
Ok this is unrelated but the anime she drew is underrated af idk the English name of it but it is one of the best anime’s I watched it’s basically my childhood
I used to buy a clock where you can put a chip in to it and it would have the character’s drawn on them it would shoot the chip out as if the character was coming out of it ❤
This brought back memories
Omggg the yokai music is bringing back so many fun memories, it’s crazy 😭💗
This is exactly my thoughts on the colour wheel! Always seen artists praising it like a holy grail, never liked it. My trusty sliders have never done me wrong. Let me have my numbers.
I'm sorry this entire video sounds like a conspiracy theory
Oh? I wasn't expecting this
I love the color slider, I've been using it for countless years
for mainly the exact reason you're going through
- you have precise control of the numbers
- you see all the gradients of that one color (red to white) and (red to black) on another
-the slider doesn't color bleed so you don't get unwanted colors
AND you have the opacity slider
I never used the color wheel cuz I just don't have all that color control
I would highly recommend try using it as an art challenge at least
I don't understand why your getting heat for this take, more people should aware of this option
especially for digital artists
I kinda agree with you. Colour sliders teach you hue and saturations. Giving you accurate colors to how you imagined them
i personally dont get many of the problems you had w the color wheel (probs bc i tossed that shit w color rules out the window when i started drawing digitally), but i can understand how the slider can be better, maybe more for begginer artists, and i would be willing to give it a try, just to see how much it can change my art! many of the things you said could be worked around w more study tho, not like, art tutorial studies, but just trying shit out and testing different color variations! make a shadow green, use blue as a highlighter, do danganronpa blood, go bananas!!!!!! great video ;3
I honestly never really had any issues with the color wheel. For one, in Krita I have my wheel in a pop up. With one click of my stylist button, I get a large pop up quick menu wheel to select not only colors from, but my favorite brushes, as well as tool size potions, zoom, and mirror.
I've never had any precision issues since I am able to keep the wheel large. I also don't bind myself to complementary colors, but more on the lines of choosing colors for a particular color pallette to set a scene, style or tone. Color theory is just a template and I find myself simply going with something that I find pleasing to the eye. The only time I find myself stuck on choosing colors is when I just haven't figured out the palette I'm looking for and that would be the same issue with a wheel or the sliders.
For example, one time I couldn't decide on the final color of an orange color pallette for a character. More specifically, I couldn't decide whether or not to add darker red or purples or a tanish yellow that didn't clash with the main color of saturated orange. It was only then I figured out my issue was that the orange needed a secondary darker hue to make everything look less flat. So the color pallette ended with a saturated to slightly shaded orange base color, and accented by dark reds, tanned orangish peach, and smaller accents of gold and green. For context, the colors were for a fire dragon.
I TRIED IT AND OMGOMOMGOMG ITS WORK !!!!!!11!!11!1! RAHHHHHH WHY DID I FALL FOR THAT SQUARE YOU SAVED MY LIFEEE 😭😭😭😭😭😭
This might be what cures my Art burnout, surprisingly enough, Thanks for this!
I use a combo of square with the sliders below, mostly just the square and the hue slider.
(Also with color pickers when changing the hue it dosnt account for how colors look lighter or darker compared to each other. I don’t remember the setting but I’m many programs you can make it so when you change the hue it makes it so the final color has the same relitive value and saturation instead of needing to finick with it to be more similar)
Both have their pros and cons, I prefer the color wheel because I actually like how big it is and the slider annoys me because I actually never get the color I want with it unlike the wheel which actually makes it easier, mine also has the numbers on the side! I understand your points though, I'm just not a big fan of sliders in most things
you have opened my eyes (to the beauty of the color slider) ty :3
all you fellas gotta understand that advice is always going to come from *personal experience.* this means that it's (quite obviously) not going to work for everyone out there!
disagreeing with the video is fine, but just because you disagree doesn't make it a bad video.. it's not claiming to be the 100% foolproof art video to cure all your color problems, it's just a personal rant about something that might help some other people that are having similar issues with their coloring
I've been drawing on procreate for 2-3 years now and this is my first time realizing I've never actually used the color wheel even once before. When I first downloaded the app, I instantly decided to use the classic color picker/slider instead of the wheel because it just felt more... comfortable to me I guess??? And ever since then, I've stuck with using the color slider and just got too used to it over the years haha
Ok, but the color slider in Medibang is seriously trash. If you switch to it, it completely gets rid of the brush menu and somehow takes up even more space by going vertical and skinny, and makes the layout uneven. I’m telling you it’s just awful. And I’m not switching art programs again.
This video just opened my eyes!! As a Clip Studio Paint, user, these are all issues I have struggled with when coloring (except maybe the color wheel size) and I have to say that all those issues were never present whenever I used the color sliders, but I never thought of all you just said here! Thank you!
dude this genuinely changed my view on picking colors i will be taking this to heart thank u so much
I haaaaate the Color Slider the Color wheel is better for my artstyle
2:48 the eye drop tool is actually picking up the right color of your hair. It's just that you have filters/layer modes on. And of course it will look different since you're applying twice the filter to a color. Hello? Common sense? Where are you?
Ps. Try not to rely on layer modes/filters first then we can talk about color theory.
Youre voice could make me understand anything and everything, its so oddly soothing
just wanted to say I love your voice and the way you deliver the information! Very entertaining!
I forgot color slider even exists and thought you were going to suggest using palettes and mixing colors, I was so annoyed with the color wheel for the past few months! Thank you!
Or, the best secret: use both. I somewhat agree with you, but to be honest, the colour slider is still not perfect. It still leaves room for error. I’ve been using both for years, and my colours are always the first thing people compliment me on in regards to my art.
Also your advice works for people who also have a cartoony unrealistic art style. It doesn’t work for us painting folks who rely far more on subtle hue changes :) I think you should have clarified that that’s the only experience from which you speak, but aside from that, not too incorrect.
ive been a slider enjoyer, great to see I'm not alone
I actually learnt about hue shifting because of the colour wheel, It taught me if I wanted cooler colours for shadows shift it down and if I want warmer colours for light shift it up. It also is nice having a visual representation of the difference between colours picked and I can adjust them accordingly. I might give sliders ago now that I fully understand colour as a painter. Also your right about colour theory being wack, intermediate artists need to understand they aren't hard rules to follow.
Unrelated, but I love the art in your speedpaint, I might be biased because I like Yo-Kai Watch, but it truly looks very nice!
I use the procreate color wheel and the big rectangle + slider, I'm used to those so ik where everything I want will be
I actually really like both. I use the color wheel when I just wanna draw something quick and fun, and I use the slider when I wanna make something more complete. ^^
Im a weirdo. I have the color wheel and the color slider on my set up. I dont mind the wheel being small as i useit mostly to get the volor idea i want then tye slider to perfect it
I do agree that not having numbers with color wheel SUCKS- Shading is such a pain in my but because of it but, luckily my program has both thank god- Good video btw
Idc what anyone says “ Ooh it will dull your colors “ “ You just dont know how to use it “ “ Get good at art and learn color theory “ boo hoo. I hate the color wheel , fuck the color wheel, all my homies hate the color wheel. Why struggle with colors too bright when I can just tap and make them darker with the PRE MADE LIGHT TOOL!!
(this is all a joke and lighthearted btw)
I use BOTH the color wheel and the color slider at the same time and honestly, i think they complement eachother nicely! The wheel allows for a visualization and flow of where each color is so i can roughly pick it and the color slider allows me to make it slightly more accurate to my vision
i was skeptical at first but i have been convinced
Jokes on you, i use both the wheel and slider
coughkoff's opinion: square > wheel
This was so unhinged and I loved it
dude you are hilarious! i’m a color square user (crowd booing) so trying out the sliders will definitely be a fun experiment! thank you
ngl...this video kinda doesn't give valid reasons...only yur own preferences. Been drawing with a colour wheel for over 10 years now. had no issues with it.
It works quicker and allows easier movement. in kirta you can just change the size of it easy. It's maybe a neat advice to tell other more options exist and for them to play with it. but debunking the colour wheel is just kinda sad imo. but eey who am I..just some guy on the internet.
Yeah and also the dis on complementary colors was unnecessary and confusing? I'm not even sure what any of those examples were trying to say, complementary colors can be absolute eye candy if you use them right. Analog colors can be hideous if you use them wrong. I don't see the point in that (also krita is amazing)
@@WishxFish Maybe the person from this video hates colour theory??? idfk. complementary as well as, primany, secondary, analogous and monochromatic can work well if used right no matter what colouring tool you use. it's all just with the shades really. the value of a colour. but even then...it's art...there are people who gotten famous just using basic shapes and primary colours. xD
@@lyrexioscreatorguardian Honestly I might put out MY OWN color theory video on ..."colors" lol, because I know she was just making a quick vid but there are also so many color tools out there you can use in your programs. AND YES thank you to me values matters the most, hue is just to accentuate that! (Even if your hue is completely saturated it'd still have a different value at heart, like yellow vs blue for example)
I'm not the best at choosing the right colors that work well together personally and I have been using the color wheel, but this video convinced me to try and use the slider! Maybe it will actually help solve my problems. Thanks 😁
How did it go? I don’t really know how to find good color combinations with a slider… and this vid didn’t really show how ^^;
@@genetlair5999 Yeah, this video didn’t really show exactly how to use the slider all that much, and I wish it did, but I think I was able to figure it out anyway since I’m getting the hang of using Clip Studio.
Overall, the slider did help me change the saturation and value of my colors more precisely compared to the color wheel, but I personally didn’t like changing hue with the slider (unless I want to be extra precise with it). So I use the color wheel to change the hue. I’m usually pretty experimental when it comes to coloring (I eyeball it, really), but then the colors end up looking dull or muddy. I think the slider and the wheel should be used in tandem with one another; I think they both serve different purposes (like I'll use the sliders for more precision and the wheel to choose colors more quickly).
I also, personally, need to review color theory more since I’m a bit rusty with it still (maybe that was the actual issue all along) and that’s something I would advise to do as well.
I do like using the sliders and will probably continue to use it alongside the wheel, it’s just that I’d probably need to do more than that to get better at coloring personally.
@@DR_SHARKMATA Would you like me to make this announcement for you? ^^
@@genetlair5999 Sure if you'd like
I read at as art my god
okay when you talked about coloring lineart my brain instantly understood exactly what your problem is and you converted me immediately
The jaundice joke made this worth it. 😅
I don't like the colour wheel but I think I dislike it for different reasons. For instance, it just doesn't look like it has all the colours. I want a colour wheel that's bigger, one where you can see the different hues and be more precise.