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  • @MaxTaylorGrant
    @MaxTaylorGrant 27 днів тому +32

    Proud of you for remembering the routing for this. Gold star 🌟

    • @RabeaMassaad
      @RabeaMassaad  27 днів тому +8

      I wrote it down 😅 thanks for the top critic tech help

    • @Utube-g3g
      @Utube-g3g 27 днів тому +2

      Max do you make home visits to set this up even if we’re in another country like in the U.S? If Rabea has to write it down you can only imagine some of our confusion speaking for myself of course. 😵‍💫

  • @komobabo
    @komobabo 27 днів тому +24

    Seriously, Bea… your channel is hands down one of if not the most high quality QC channel currently. I think it’s mainly because it’s legit your preferred rig at the moment so you can tell it’s not a video on QC purely for the views. The fact that you know amazing ambient tones and clean and heavy asf tones is also a plus IMO.
    It truly exemplifies just how versatile the QC is.
    Seriously, kudos to you man. Loving the videos. Keep ‘em coming!

  • @wyntyr1518
    @wyntyr1518 27 днів тому +17

    I have to say Rabea, I really like your tutorials on the qc and the stereo/how to bypass or use preamps stuff. This and your other video have increased my knowledge of the QC greatly, I also really enjoy your playing. I could listen to you noodle with those ambient tones all day. The musical ideas are just great.

  • @SkylerMills
    @SkylerMills 27 днів тому +10

    So glad to have someone ( specifically Rabea) help explain and demonstrate these routing situations and use cases.

  • @JANDRE08
    @JANDRE08 22 дні тому +1

    NeuralDSP better have you in a payroll, because Man U r teaching me everything I need to know about this unit!

  • @charlesg.1207
    @charlesg.1207 14 днів тому

    Another incredible video that has helped me breakdown some of my road blocks and get my creativity going. Thanks again!

  • @UmairDarVoid
    @UmairDarVoid 25 днів тому +1

    Being a real tube amp guy, this is the first time i've been tempted to explore picking up a QC - the flexibility of being able to use the best of both is truly game changing.

  • @user-zf7uq1qo2r
    @user-zf7uq1qo2r 27 днів тому +2

    Rebea, the sound is just super phat just huge but also you can hear every note just so clean and in your face tones awesome thanks, for another great video and cool tones!

  • @thecalv10
    @thecalv10 27 днів тому +3

    I think the reason you have a lot of low end from the amp models is that the model is also modeling the power amp section. You effectively have 2 power amp sections running at the same time (one from the model, the other from the physical amp). Not sure if QC allows you to turn off power amp modeling (fractal and helix can), but that could help!

  • @mmiller6873
    @mmiller6873 27 днів тому +5

    I will say this, being a Headrush user, this QC looks like something I totally want to try out sometime. I mean it sound awesome. Well done on this vid bro.

    • @jconner3891
      @jconner3891 26 днів тому +1

      Maybe a Fractal fm3 turbo. Much better price I have the fractal and love it

    • @michaeldschutte
      @michaeldschutte 21 день тому +1

      I had the headrush before the QC. The fidelity and feel from the QC is lightyears ahead. Also has more models available

  • @AlexSpetz
    @AlexSpetz 25 днів тому

    Sounds mammoth. I cannot wait to hear your rig again with Vower. It was so incredible already the first time round, can't even begin to imagine how it could be better! Sick video dude.

  • @karlreimann4950
    @karlreimann4950 27 днів тому +1

    Soooooooo good Rabea, This is exactly what I've been hoping to see, such a great explanation and demo! Thanks so much! 🙏

  • @Dave-0
    @Dave-0 27 днів тому +4

    Tube power amps make literally everything better

    • @valendis
      @valendis 27 днів тому +2

      Does it? I mean QC into some Poweramp like a matrix, does it sound that different?

    • @Imfreehowaboutu
      @Imfreehowaboutu 27 днів тому

      I had issues using tube power amps with modelers. For example using my mesa power amp sounds great with mesa models but tend to color other models with a mesa sound. It didn’t sound bad but it didn’t sound right either. I switched to a matrix solid state power amp and now all the models sound accurate.

    • @Dave-0
      @Dave-0 27 днів тому

      It should be a pretty subtle tonal shift, unless you’re really pounding the power amp (which isn’t always a pleasant or desirable effect).

    • @Imfreehowaboutu
      @Imfreehowaboutu 27 днів тому

      @@Dave-0 I used to feel the same way but I didn’t realize how much of a difference it actually made until I tried something that didn’t color the tone. I found it to be a rather large difference if you’re wanting accurate representations of the amps you’re modeling. You end up running a preamp into a power amp and then into another power amp or replacing the regular power amp that may have different tubes and it’s own eq curve. You get a mixed voice instead of the intended voice. Again it can sound great but it will sound different than the amp you’re modeling.

    • @dansomerville
      @dansomerville 27 днів тому

      You’re running a tube power amp simulation into a tube power amp. That’s why fractal gives you the ability to turn off power amp modelling and/or amps like the matrix and fryette power station add little colouring. That being said, if you aren’t hitting the power amp hard and playing with high volume it shouldn’t colour it much. It’s all case by case.

  • @brianrojasofficial
    @brianrojasofficial 21 день тому

    Great showcase of routing possibilities man! Sounds great. Could you please shoot a video showing how to use the QC in the same way but switching channels on the tune amp via the QC?

  • @babtanian
    @babtanian 27 днів тому +1

    This is absolutely a fun and versatile rig setup. I've been doing this recently with the FM3 & FM9 with a Mesa Mark VII and Badlander with superb results.

  • @ChrabM
    @ChrabM 26 днів тому +1

    Tone reminds me Mark Tremonti. Good job bro!

  • @jamiehamilton7568
    @jamiehamilton7568 27 днів тому

    Your tones are so unreal. Just received my QC and can’t wait to get into it. While the whole video is awesome, the Karnivool t-shirt takes the cake! Best band in the world!

  • @EJH-jn6mo
    @EJH-jn6mo 24 дні тому

    Yes! this is the way to do it. I run mine into a Fryette stereo power amp into 2 x 212 cabs. I will never want to play through my monitors (and those are high end ATCs).

  • @r.llynch4124
    @r.llynch4124 27 днів тому +2

    Now, that's a perfect world.

  • @simonpeoski3173
    @simonpeoski3173 27 днів тому

    This is by far the most satisfying video on UA-cam. 🙌🏻👌🏻

  • @bobbydreg5597
    @bobbydreg5597 25 днів тому

    Love the creative routing!

  • @JorisGriffioen
    @JorisGriffioen 27 днів тому +1

    For the XLR outs you could also move the split after the delays and reverbs to avoid duplicating them. You'll have the space before the cab sim which is where they normally sit in a guitar rig anyway.

    • @kez850
      @kez850 23 дні тому

      There must be a reason he did it this way. Maybe to taylor the time based effects to the room?

  • @bioburden
    @bioburden 27 днів тому

    Preamp swapping; I do exactly this with my Laney head and my Kraken pedal preamp - the Laney is quite warm sounding and the Kraken has a lovely bite. Fun setup for different purposes. 🤘

  • @mehdichamma
    @mehdichamma 27 днів тому

    Unfortunately, there aren't many videos talking about this, even though it's a major topic for all QC users, especially those who got it for the first time and are wondering how to use it with different amp types...more videos like that would be dope. Thanks!

  • @Ninuzzo
    @Ninuzzo 27 днів тому

    so freaking awesome whats possible with this unit.

  • @marcobruder5639
    @marcobruder5639 26 днів тому

    I did that with the Boss MS3, Peavey Dirty Dog and Orange Dark Terror. Even the drives inside the MS3 are great as preamps, if combined with the parametric EQ.

  • @AshPrimalDamnation
    @AshPrimalDamnation 27 днів тому

    I had no idea you could do this, thanks for the tutorial - can't wait to do this in my live rig! 🤘

  • @brettpennington2951
    @brettpennington2951 27 днів тому

    Stunning tones as always.

  • @andreiphi
    @andreiphi 27 днів тому

    Love this video! I was hoping if you can go over volume balancing sometime in the future. using this method and/or pure DI. Would love to see how much your volume jumps between your scenes and presets. You’re the best man!

  • @adambrezina8384
    @adambrezina8384 27 днів тому +2

    Next video about sending MIDI from QC to Krakens to change channels in amps 🥰 to make it complete, controlling everything from QC….

  • @peteglase
    @peteglase 27 днів тому

    Awesome video Rabea! Thank you.

  • @1siriuswolf
    @1siriuswolf 27 днів тому

    Nothing is better than that...

  • @Stereostupid
    @Stereostupid 27 днів тому +1

    You always have beautiful tone!! Although my favorite is on your Strat i love your blues playing! 💙

    • @Utube-g3g
      @Utube-g3g 27 днів тому

      I miss his funk, blues, pop, rock and RnB. I’m not sure he okayed RnB but I miss his variety of playing on Andertons.

  • @ricardoramos9401
    @ricardoramos9401 27 днів тому +1

    My top 1 drop D tuning guitar hero!!!

  • @Tiger1016.
    @Tiger1016. 26 днів тому

    I got excited thinking the QC could now disable power amp modeling, which is something the Axe Fx can do (I own both). With this setup, you are doubling up the power amp tone when running an amp model into the return of the real amp. We are only hearing the FOH tone in this case, but the tone from the real cab will sound quite different and not in a good way, at least based on my personal experiences trying this out before.
    On the other hand, something cool the QC can be used for is capturing different preamp settings from the real amp (axclusing the power amp) and running these into the real amp fx return. And, if you want a FOH tone in the box with this setup, you could separately capture the real amp power amp as well and then run the QC preamp cature into this on the split signal chain row. Or you could use an amps slave out (after power amp) or integrate in a nunber of different devices than and setup a DI send off of the amps speaker output back to the QC.

  • @paulburton5150
    @paulburton5150 27 днів тому

    This is how I have my hxstomp set up with my EVH LBX at home. It’s actually more complicated as I also have a separate switchable path for the EHX Mel9 post both preamps, which I can blend via an expression pedal. It took me ages to work out and I have several copies of the schematic saved 😂

  • @underfeed
    @underfeed 27 днів тому

    amazing, thank you Rabea!!

  • @JoshuaLTRyan
    @JoshuaLTRyan 27 днів тому

    Yes, excellent, thanks.

  • @carldavies6890
    @carldavies6890 26 днів тому

    Awesome demo great tones

  • @rockinrollshow1
    @rockinrollshow1 27 днів тому

    I really love your tutorials all the way out here in montcalm county michigan

  • @pillowhead4000
    @pillowhead4000 27 днів тому

    Great video Rabea! I’ve been capturing my synergy preamps for this very use case and it sounds wicked and can get the sounds of those modules and only need to bring one in my Syn-30

  • @sebass04
    @sebass04 26 днів тому

    Wow! Just tried this with my Marshall Silver Jubilee. Great tutorial.

    • @RabeaMassaad
      @RabeaMassaad  26 днів тому +1

      @@sebass04 glad it worked!

    • @catalyzed8457
      @catalyzed8457 26 днів тому +2

      I found I had to reduce the send level by around 4.5 db when using 4cm otherwise I was hitting the front of the amp with line level not instrument level and this made my amp sound over saturated.

  • @kevinverghese7672
    @kevinverghese7672 27 днів тому

    Damn sounds sooo good man, some nasty versatility!

  • @garethstuart-ud8bd
    @garethstuart-ud8bd 27 днів тому

    Inspirational Rabea - love the sound/production and your lilting musical journeys, just stunning. Glad you explored feeding that valve ‘goodness’ through Neural DSP, makes so much sense. I’m guessing that foot switching your valve amp channels via Quad Cortex might also be a possibility? While the high gain modelling is top notch, it’s hard to beat the real thing IMHO, so it was great hear the A/B. Greatly appreciate your channel - superb. Best wishes, Gareth.

    • @josuastangl7140
      @josuastangl7140 27 днів тому

      Foot switching the amp via the QC should be possible.
      If it has midi it’s easy.
      If it doesn’t there’s probably footswitches out there that have midi in, mine does.
      I need to try that out some time myself!

  • @MF-Alien
    @MF-Alien 27 днів тому

    I really enjoy the tone when I use a Soldano amp modeler through my Friedman JJ!

  • @shaggymattt
    @shaggymattt 27 днів тому

    Yoooooo this is sick. What a guru.

  • @learnwithonur363
    @learnwithonur363 24 дні тому +1

    This is an awesome video! Is your preset available to download? I am thinking about pulling the trigger on getting QC because of you!

  • @AndrewMooreLearningLicks
    @AndrewMooreLearningLicks 26 днів тому

    Great video man 👍🏼

  • @hesch-tag
    @hesch-tag 26 днів тому

    You are a treasure.

  • @WadoDragon
    @WadoDragon 27 днів тому +1

    I like the idea of being able to play a modeler through a real cabinet rather than frfr. I've tried it with Kemper, Line6 and AxeFx over the years both with a Fryette power-amp and via the four cable method using my tube amps power section. I could never git it to sound right, always muffled and or harsh in the room. Also the cabinet doesn't seem to respond the same as when played through a real amp. I'd like to think I'm doing something wrong, (tried preamp only captures, disabling cab sim etc.) but maybe it's just not for me.

  • @saulostv
    @saulostv 27 днів тому

    Great tone! 🔥🤘🏼👏🏽

  • @WinItReigns
    @WinItReigns 27 днів тому

    I would love a BOSS GT1000 video again.
    Im waiting on my UA OX pedal to arrive to pair with mine

  • @IacopoGianangeli
    @IacopoGianangeli 26 днів тому

    Love this setup! I want to try with my Ge300 lite but I'm missing a couple of cables😅

  • @NeuralDSP
    @NeuralDSP 26 днів тому

    👀🔥

  • @freak2706
    @freak2706 19 днів тому

    Thank you for your video. I have a question: In your opinion, would it be possible to use your amp on stage for your cab while simultaneously sending only the sound of the Gojira to the FOH (without mixing the two amps), and still keeping all the pre and post amp effects ?
    Thanks
    FreK

  • @jardelespindola4671
    @jardelespindola4671 22 дні тому

    What a great work, sir. How can I get these presets you've just played? Greetings from Brazil!

  • @ray9743
    @ray9743 27 днів тому

    hey Rabea, couldn't you just turn the amps in the Q.C off in scene mode to use the kraken crunch? instead of using the fx loop block. thanks for your videos bro!

  • @stephankrohn5747
    @stephankrohn5747 11 днів тому

    How did you setup the levels for the FX loops? I'm using the same method, but it seems no matter what I do the amp seems to sound better without the QC in the fx loop. And no, it's not that the fx loop on the amp is bad, if I bridge it with a patch cable it sounds exactly the same as with the fx loop turned off.

  • @rzk2755
    @rzk2755 26 днів тому

    Great video! Did you have to do anything to deal with noise? 4CM setups can be quite messy in this regard. Cheers :)

  • @helloyu6270
    @helloyu6270 26 днів тому

    When bypassing the kraken preamp and using the power amp only, are you running through any amp sim on the QC?

  • @snens4819
    @snens4819 26 днів тому

    Will your plugin be compatible with the QC soon or is it even planned for that use? I'm loving the sounds and would love to have them there

  • @TheLangerma
    @TheLangerma 24 дні тому

    well i am just interested if i should disable my second output if nothing is connected. for exampe i am utilizing 2 amps in the rehearsroom but when i am playing live i am only utilizing one. could it damage the cortex if only one amp is connected?

  • @spinaltap22
    @spinaltap22 27 днів тому +1

    I'd be really interested in hearing your thoughts about something like the powerstage 700, and how it compares to your dual krakens? I took a capture of my Engl Powerball power amp section to use on all my presets, but with that I struggled to notice much difference. You have a much keener ear than I though, so would love to know what you differences you can pinpoint.

  •  27 днів тому

    Hi Rebea,
    I really like your channel. I learned a lot from you through the years. I have a question. As guitarists, we always aim to create huge tones like in this video. However, I would like to give an example myself. These kinds of huge tones sometimes don't sound very good in mix situations in recording or band situation. A tone that we might call "tiny" can be heard much more strongly in the mix. I'm curious about your thoughts on this matter. Have you had such an experience too?
    Thank you very much.

  • @max-d.guitar
    @max-d.guitar 25 днів тому

    Hello! Can I use "send 2 -> return" instead of "output 3/L -> return" (for mono)? My monitors are connected to the output 3/R-L

  • @Javier-qk7ms
    @Javier-qk7ms 25 днів тому

    I have a ToneX one but I don't have a tube amp as are too expensive and hard to find in my country. Do you think the Boss Nextone would be a good alternative? Those are advertised to emulate power amp really well, still hard to find here but not as much as real tube amps.

  • @stevenquantick7093
    @stevenquantick7093 26 днів тому

    Hi Rabea,
    So I’ve been back and forth on this for a while, I use one of the Laney FRFR cabs with my QC live, and I also love valve amps and have considered a hybrid rig like yours!
    Can I ask why you use valve amps rather than an FRFR cab? :-)

  • @rd_rae
    @rd_rae 26 днів тому

    The FOH split, should’nt the IR block come last, after the time based FX to simulate a real world setup?

  • @stoneysdead689
    @stoneysdead689 27 днів тому +4

    LOL- Leave it to guitarists- they introduce a new technology to keep us from having to lug around a tube amp and save us some money- and we find a way to spend 3-4 times more than we used to and lug around more gear than ever before. Does sound great though....you know you could just buy a standalone tube power amp and a regular analogue cab and have the same thing in the end- for considerably less money. Just sayin...

    • @russell4625
      @russell4625 10 днів тому +1

      I feel personally attacked by this comment lol

  • @Rafaelluques
    @Rafaelluques 27 днів тому +2

    Can you shared this preset on you Cortex Cloud? I want to test with my Orange!

  • @alexanderwald2046
    @alexanderwald2046 26 днів тому

    any tips on setting the in/out levels for the fx loop?

  • @wurm90125
    @wurm90125 26 днів тому

    I'd love to try this, but every time I've tried 4CM with my Fractal stuff, I get absolutely horrible hum (which I assume is ground looping) that I can't get rid of. Any advice? As it is now, I'm using an FM9 in the loop of my amp and plugging my guitar into the front. Seems to be the only way it will run quietly. I have a QC as well and might give this a shot. Just hope I don't encounter the same problems.

  • @Bigthoogs
    @Bigthoogs 27 днів тому

    man. that crunch tone...

  • @meistariaron1854
    @meistariaron1854 4 дні тому

    i dream of a band where rabea is on guitar, Claudio Sanchezis the singer Hrafnkell Örn Guðjónsson is on drums and maybe andy the guitar geek is on bass, band name: the fluff

  • @bobbydreg5597
    @bobbydreg5597 25 днів тому

    Any videos on routing iPad plug ins into the mix using usb?

  • @ReturnToCoda
    @ReturnToCoda 27 днів тому +1

    if you wanted to run a pedal like a Styrmon in the loop, where would you put it in the chain?

    • @RabeaMassaad
      @RabeaMassaad  27 днів тому

      Hmmm, in not sure but thinking about it from a logic standpoint I’d guess on the way to the effects return? So that it’s in the loop of the amp

    • @ReturnToCoda
      @ReturnToCoda 27 днів тому

      @@RabeaMassaad thanks, ill give that a go and mess with it to see

  • @alibaba4848
    @alibaba4848 26 днів тому

    How do You balance amp and qc volume ?

  • @temorinkaari
    @temorinkaari 25 днів тому

    At 12:26 you can hear the picking sounds louder than the guitar tone itself. Could anyone explain to me what causes this? Is it the delay?

  • @Airakobra
    @Airakobra 27 днів тому

    Great setup, Bea! Dont you use noise gate? I feel when im using lots of gain in my QC I generally need a gate at the beginning of the chain.

  • @navirbox4913
    @navirbox4913 26 днів тому

    Just a little question. I'm between the Helix and the QC, but probably gonna get the Helix. Will this be equally possible?
    EDIT: By the way, can you switch the Gain channel of the Kraken from the QC? Thanks in advance Rabea you're the man.

    • @RabeaMassaad
      @RabeaMassaad  26 днів тому

      I’m pretty sure you can do this with a helix, I haven’t tried myself. But I know people who do it the same sort of way.
      You can do midi switching amplifiers with QC, so the super kraken would work, or any amp with midi

  • @dash4786
    @dash4786 27 днів тому

    What tuning was your music man sig at on the clean channel? Drop c sharp?

  • @Durkhead
    @Durkhead 26 днів тому

    Latency?

  • @ONEALIEN24
    @ONEALIEN24 26 днів тому

    sound a litile bit digitalized the pream tube sound after QC ... and even so , the QC sound darker then the tube (v4 preamp sound ) the is what i notice here in the studio monitorts... is subjectve ....but the devil is in the details ....

  • @googleone5867
    @googleone5867 27 днів тому

    This is essentially what a powered Kemper is. Impossible to come back from. Sounds amazing.

    • @cheatingatmath3722
      @cheatingatmath3722 27 днів тому +1

      I'm not trying to be pedantic, but for clarity it isn't. A powered Kemper would be like if he was running all of the QC stuff through the poweramp of the Victory (bypassing the preamp)-but what he's actually doing is that exact process of injecting a preamp for cleans/leads, but then switching to the actual amp in a normal front of amp fashion for his crunch tones by changing the signal routing in the 4 cable method. You may be able to do this with a kemper and a real amp you like, and if you did, you wouldn't need the powered version to do it. I do this with a HX Stomp and an EVH 5153..my clean tones are injected preamps and I use my real blue channel for crunch.

  • @markosvafeas
    @markosvafeas 27 днів тому

    Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this mean that a whole amp head is being sent through the power amp of the kraken (effectively meaning that you get 2 power amps)?

    • @Jandrezedouard
      @Jandrezedouard 27 днів тому

      Yes, I mentioned it but that doesn’t seem to bother him 😅

    • @RabeaMassaad
      @RabeaMassaad  26 днів тому +2

      It doesn’t bother me, because it sounds good hahah
      But yeah. I’m fully aware of this. That’s why it has more low end, the easier workaround is drop the master of the models and boost the output of them instead.
      But ultimately if it sounds good I’m not fussed

    • @Jandrezedouard
      @Jandrezedouard 26 днів тому

      @@RabeaMassaad I totally understand man, don’t get me wrong. But that would be great to be able to bypass the power amp of the QC model though ;-)

    • @markosvafeas
      @markosvafeas 26 днів тому

      @@RabeaMassaadAh that makes sense, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something!

  • @CorNigrum
    @CorNigrum 27 днів тому

    Don't you go through two AD/DA conversions this way? I don't think the QC does analogue dry through; none of the modellers do as far as I know. If you just want to use the QC for typical post effects like delay and reverb, I guess you need a parallel mixer if you don't want all of your sound to go through the AD/DA conversion and possibly get some latency or phase issues.

    • @JorisGriffioen
      @JorisGriffioen 27 днів тому

      The latency thing is really only a theoretical problem, modern ADA is great. There's no phase problem because you're not mixing any signals. I've been running this config with an HX Stomp and Synergy amps for a long while, you really don't need to worry about it.

    • @CorNigrum
      @CorNigrum 26 днів тому

      @@JorisGriffioen I think accumulative worst-case AD/DA conversions from multiple pedals add up. I should probably try to find a way to measure a double QC conversion combined with some other digital pedals. I coincidentally also have a Synergy SYN-50 and Helix Stomp. Pretty flexible setup!

  • @stevejarosz8136
    @stevejarosz8136 27 днів тому

    Wow ok. So that’s different

  • @manofleisure75
    @manofleisure75 26 днів тому

    4CM??? Pfft, we do 7CM around here mate

  • @stimpsonjcat26
    @stimpsonjcat26 27 днів тому

    IMO using a tube amp with a modeller defeats the purpose of a modeller.

  • @Manley156
    @Manley156 27 днів тому

    Plini X stinks

  • @s.e.n3264
    @s.e.n3264 27 днів тому +1

    Too expensive.
    Next suggestion

  • @samuelsansao
    @samuelsansao 27 днів тому

    New episode of: Dumb ways to use your expensive setup.

    • @JohnWiku
      @JohnWiku 27 днів тому

      If it works, it works, there's no dumbness to be found here 😂😂😂

  • @IStabz
    @IStabz 27 днів тому

    mass.sive!!