@@vansongs lol , I'm 56 years old, you can't be that much older than me, right? But, I gotcha! I only have a fro if I get caught in the rain or I can't get a comb!
Never comment on here but at this point Mr.M deserves his own “the captain meets”. This is not the same dude I saw almost 15 years ago with the chap. Please at least change the title. This man has educated such a wide variety of people and players and if he’s no longer associated with the store than please give him his flowers as such a profoundly influential player on people pushing their 30s like me!
Same for me too, got the JVM and the QC, I'd always use the QC because of how intuitive and amazing it sounds, but when I'm home I'm always on the JVM, I want to do a hybrid rig, stereo too but with one amp, maybe FR FR and JVM, only time will tell.
For what it’s worth, you don’t have to be young to not enjoy the loud-amp-in-the-room experience. I’m older than Lee, and I’ve never enjoyed it. I’ve been really happy that technology has been able to get me the sound I want live. And, really, it was good enough for me in the nineties. What the tech can do today is more than I’d dreamed. (Although now it has me dreaming bigger. 🙂)
My practice rig is hybrid , victory kraken v4 preamp (all valve) into a two notes cabm for power amp and speaker emulation. Run the whole thing with other effects pedals I need and listen via headphones on the cabm. so far feels amazing , sounds amazing.
I’ve used a modeler into xlr/in ears but split the signal before the IR block and use a power amp into a proper cab. It’s less complicated than lugging around a valve amp and tons of wires and it sounds and feels amazing.
That’s exactly what I do as well. I use the QC loops, with a Synergy 50w head in one loop, and my QC captures in the chain. So I can toggle back and forth between tube amp or capture, or stack them together. Incredibly flexible.
I've recently converted to modellers after 15 years of dancing around a pedal board and I'm on both sides of the digital vs valve as i agree with what lee says getting familiar with the quad takes time and it kind of feels like you need to have a PHD to use the thing but after playing and some simple fiddling you can get a decent tone, yes it is easier to just turn an amp on and plug a pedal board in and get the tone you want but you're restricted to that tone. The beauty of a modeller is you've got everything you want in one unit, you won't take up a lot of space on stage and have options as to how you output the tone versus taking up space on stage that most venues don't have especially if you're playing pub gigs, thousands of pounds of pedals and lugging in a lot of equipment. The old school will need to embrace the new school just like we have had to do with electric cars and combustion engines.
I’m kind of the opposite of where you’re heading! I’ve used modelling stuff for ever but now I’m using a synergy amp with a helix FX unit in 4CM. I’ve gone through Fractal FM3, Quad Cortex, Kemper and FRFR stuff to land here. Basically I found that I although I had unlimited options I for tones I only use a couple in a show so find the real amp with the helix effects is perfect blend!
Man- I learned to use a Headrush modeler without ever reading even one line from a manual or PDF file. It's bone head simple- touch screen, drag and drop interface- if you can use a computer, you can use the Headrush MX5 without ever reading anything. And I'm 52 years old and grew up playing a 50watt Plexi. I even figured out how to put 3rd party IRs on it without reading the how to- it's no different than connecting a flash drive and using it. And I mean that literally- it shows up as a flash drive on your computer and you interact with it like you do any other flash drive. And there's no way- and I'm saying this after playing real amps for over 30 years and only using a modeler for 9 months- that it's faster or simpler to dial in a tone using a real amp and an analogue pedal board. No way that's true- not even on day one of owning the thing. Not having to physically move around gear and cabling, being able to add fx anywhere in the chain- including after the cab if you want- just like in studio- makes all the difference in the world. For instance, if I end up with some anomaly in the tone- I don't have to go search for which two parameters on what two pedals aren't playing well together- I can just add a parametric eq right before the IR and fix it. I can also change IR's which is the same as changing the room tone, mic choices, and/or mic placements- think of how long that would take to actually do.
Plus, the audience is never hearing the tone you intended cuz you are dependent on the sound guy for the tone that goes to the audience with an analog set up. You are at the mercy of the level or the lack there of the sound guy's mixing abilities, and you are ganna sound different every gig from a sound guy to the next and so on. Not the case with modelers.
@@Eric-dd8bk The same sound guy takes the output from your modeler and mixes it with the rest of the band using the same console he would if he miced you up so- not sure how you think it's that different really. You get to choose your own mics and placements but- most sound guys will let you do that same thing with your analogue rig. You just bring your own mics and set them up yourself- they're happy to let you do it. They're not going to let you mess with the board but that's the same with your modeler- once you hand them the output, they eq it and mix it as they see fit.
I play a hybrid rig with a HX Stomp and Synergy amps + cab, sometimes switching out the preamp for a variation. It's awesome and letting that thing roar at rehearsals and gigs is a really nice experience. I do think something like a QC is the best option for effects. For amps I still love having something that gets hot, has physical knobs that I can twist blindly, a satisfying switch to turn on, with tubes and transformers that tick as it cools down when you turn it off. Even if you give me an FRFR setup that *sounds* identical, it cannot give you that.
there are so many awesome possibilities with such a rig. I dont have a rig like THIS but I'm experimenting with signal splitting/ reamping from my DAW into amps. Having different IRs and effects to add at certain moments in a song combined with having the possibility to mic it up and blend everything is really, really awesome, overkill but awesome. :D
I played a gig this summer where the other guitarist cancelled, so used two amps but in fron of one i had the tape delay on 100% mix, 0 feedback and the shortest possible delay time. Just had to dial the wow and flutter in until it sounded natural and it worked like charm. A few milliseconds of delay, both volume and pitch where wobbeling a bit and the high end was rolled of a bit which added to make it sound like 2 different guitars. Probably the most "realistic" fake double i've used (although I haven't used a lot of them) but i highly recommend for anyone who needs to make yourself sound like 2 guitarists (you could probably use most tape delay pedals, not just the QC but I've never tried it with a different pedal)
I have a Katana-Artist (bought when first released) and a Katana 50 MKII EX for my home (both bought based on your recommendations) and I love them. I can't crank either of them because the entire subdivision I live in would riot (I get away with playing the US national anthem on the back patio on July 4th each year with my Artist cranked--I have been told by friends that they have heard it from 1 mile away). But I can also put on my headphones and jam without getting a visit from Officer Friendly for disturbing the peace. (After all that is my primary use and need.) For me, all the tone variations and drive permutations I want or need are there. I'm 70 and my gigging days are mostly over, so this suits my needs. Of course, in the hands of an accomplished shred monster like Bea, playing venues with widely varying sound characteristics, the hybrid is the perfect solution to highlight his playing strengths. Imagine the "de-engineering" required to make this rig your permanent bedroom/headphones chain. Hope some of that makes sense. As always, it is great to see you mates working and brainstorming together. Thanks for the rundown. We mere mortals all benefit from your fountains of knowledge and experience. Cheers.
I'm doing a similar hybrid setup with my band. A Pod Go with 4CM into a Marshall DSL40. For cleans, I use a preamp model of a Fender Twin from the Pod, using the power section of the Marshall. For crunch, the classic channel of the Marshall. For dirty, the lead channel of the Marshall. The Pod switches it all and provides effects, a lead boost, and a DI out with cab sim to FOH. A great best of both worlds. At rehersal, or smaller venues, I'll run the Pod into the effects return of an old Fender Mustang III. It has a 12" 100W Celestion speaker, so it's a proper powered guitar cab, not FRFR for that proper amp feel. Much simpler and lighter to run though. In both cases, if the amp or Pod fails, I can fall back on the other part of the rig and finish a set. It's a great way to go!
“Because I don’t want to” is the correct answer 😂 It’s personal. Small venues with quiet stages just kill the stage vibe. Bigger venues are a different ball game. Great interview.
And at exactly 30:00 into the video, I really, really want a QC. That was the quickest tweak of a setting and a very satisfying change of sound output - amazing. :D
I use a hybrid rig, with a more modest Hx Stomp, with a pair of analog od pedals over FX loop, and a valve amp. For me, it's a very very complete way that gives me everything...and simple.
What I’ve been doing, and it is brilliantly efficient. * Helix (no amp modeling) into Deluxe Reverb ToneMaster * XLR out from ToneMaster to PA * if its an in ears gig, the ToneMaster is silent. No stage volume * if its a stage volume gig, the ToneMaster provides stage volume along with whatever wedges are being used, etc. Dead simple. Easy to maintain. Easy to replace in emergency. Easy to replicate on the road with an SM57 and a valve deluxe. When I’m asked, why not just use an amp model and forego the ToneMaster? “Because I don’t want to”
When I got my Kemper Stage, I was still a little paranoid about not using a tube amp... so I run the "monitor" out from the board into the FX return of my Mesa tube combo. The tube power section with a 12" guitar speaker makes every profile come alive in a way that a FRFR cannot. Plus... the Tube combo is a backup for the Profiler, and the Profiler is a backup for the combo, like the baseball stadium show where we had to run direct. ☮❤🎶
My fave part of this is at 16:00 after the Captain asks Rabea why he wouldn't just use a modeller into an FRFR on stage and he says "well because i don't want to". Epic 😆
I have no issue if an Andertons video comes across as a direct or veiled promo, they are trying to run a business. If I learn something or I am entertained then it was worth the watch.
This video has really inspired me to keep my Victory amp and try to get a hybrid rig going. I’ve recently been gigging with the Quad Cortex alone. It’s just easier as a non-headlining band to just run the QC without the extra setup time. But thanks for the video! More experimenting to be done!
Great discussion, loving the QC, for me i have gone with the Seymour power stage into 2 1x12 cabs to shift the air, profiled my mesa mk5:25 for my clean and not looked back, will always keep my amps but at present using the QC / Seymour set up. But really looking forward to plug in compatibility as i own 4 at the moment. Although enjoying what you play in what ever set up you use is the most important, there is no right or wrong way.
I believe that cross compatibility to plugins is a thing when I see it :D It's been a huge reason why I bought so many of their plugins. The idea of getting those tones on the QC has always been really tempting! I guess I can start saving up for the QC now, though, and maybe buy one once they really do the plugin compatibility thing. Still have doubts, but the hopes are high!
@@cyrnoz1803 yeah sure… so the plugin tones are better than the Tones you can create with the QC? Why would i even consider then to run a plugin in the QC?
@@davidsartorius6631 Never said that, I assume that the cross compatibility will sound pretty much the same on both. The QC gives you a looot of amps modeled after real amps, plugins are mostly signature tones, exept like 3 or 4 of them Better doesn't really mean anything since it all sounds good, it's subjective. Plus the applications are different QC is more for the giging musician, if you just wanna play or record at home It's overkill IMO. Personally even if I don't run the whole plugins in the QC I'll be very happy to have access to the effects, for exemple I love the delay and reverb from the plini plugin for ambient stuff
Wow man for the first time in a long time my chin hit the floor when you started messing around with the QC to sort of sample its flexibility you did the pitch shifting a whole octave down I was like fck me that's Mike Kerr in reverse 😆 It gave me chills and as per usual Rabea sounds fckin awesome! And hands down my favorite guitarist of modern times!
I like my fm3 with my synergy or revv heads. I use an fm3, a direwolf overdrive, and a 4cm noise gate and it's amazing. I use the fm3 for all my other effects (delay reverb compression ambient sounds ect) and it's also my midi channel switcher. I've played a couple gigs already where I needed the power of that revv and a 4x12, the fm3 eliminates so much hassle and the effects sounds so damn good.
Also you mention Helix,Axe fx, obviously Quad cortex and then use the term "other modelers, is Kemper a banned term, have they copy written the brand name? Kemper seems to be the child that shall not be named. I bought my Kemper from Andertons for £1300 and you cant even mention the brand name.. i'm not trying to be a fan boy but Kemper always is reffered to as "the other"
Totally with him on needing the roar of the amp live. It's what makes playing live fun. In ear monitors through a modeler it's like I"m just practicing in my room at home. I think the sound of a real tube amp through a real cabinet sounds the best too. SOunds big and fat . Again it's what makes playing live with a real band fun.
sick sick tones, and innovative approaches getting there. When Bea mentioned that his plug-in on QC means his synth will be supported I went 'oh sh$%t I didn't think about that!' ... so looking forward to that.
This makes me recall seeing Deafheaven with a hybrid digital/cabs setup. Not sure if Plini had cabs.. I don’t think he did and you know he sounded awesome. I love that you’re thinking of sticking with 6 cable. Get that roar + tonal flexibility!! I dream up ridiculous routing to do what I want all the time. Can’t afford the gear to pull it off but many diagrams have been drawn and switching products investigated 😁 so, stamp of approval as a tone hunter/guitarist not afraid of many cables
i personally use only the Quad Cortex with my Band Live. For the Oomph that you get from a Real Cab i have a Headrush 112 on stage pointing at the audience with an EQed signal that delivers the low mids, every time i talk to people after a gig they tell me how much they enjoy that they still get the oomph from the stage. while having the sound from the PA. Works really well for me and my Band. The Other Guitar Player does the Same with a Kemper, one to FOH one EQed to a stage monitor pointing to the audeience for the Oomph 👌 we both really do not wanna carry around those huge tube amps and cabs and rather be set up in 20 minutes with walkting to the bus only once. We rather help the Drummer set up his kit 👌I knoiw it'S not "the same" but it works great for us.
I feel like the idea of preference is a very important point. People get stuck in their heads that an amp sounds better than a modeler or profiler when in reality that isn’t the question. It’s where are you playing? What’s your preference? You want stage volume? Or are you just running in ears? If you’re just running in ears and your amps would be in an isolation cab off stage, you’d get a more consistent sound using a modeler or profiler. If you are playing on stage with your amp and you prefer that, then do that. An even bigger point is, what a great time to be a damn guitar player. Haha
I've moved over to NU-X for 75% of my gigging. It really depends for me on the style I'm playing. I go Valve stage amps when I play blues or Classic Rock. At church all modeling. NU-X MG 30 serves me well. In my home studio, it's all modeling.
i 100% agree with Rabea on having cabs on stage. I went to go see Weezer in June and Scott Shriner, their bass player, had cabs but Rivers and Brian didnt. The bass was so much more forward and punchy
Apologies for commenting after only skimming the vid, but just watching the decibel meter go to 99.5 when Rabea turned up to full volume, made me wonder if you guys every worry about your hearing sitting about two feet away from the cabinet?
I would be very helpul and addictive to see the actual routings as pro level graph. For example when they are talking about particular routing aspect of the rig the graph would briefly pop up with focus marked.Then the video would serve as a knowledge base that the customer can return to again and again. You can double the added value by doubling the effort so the cost is not a big deal. Having made it happen once the graphing user case is ready for any setup.
I’m seriously thinking about getting a QC. Wanted a GigRig to control my pedals but I’m kind of thinking a QC and capturing my pedals might be amazing fun!
Love seeing rabea in the videos. Just seems like such a good guy. The biggest problem i have with the digital processors is that there may be 100 amps available on a given modeler but the names dont match up and you spend forever trying to figure out what the name on the modeler matches the name of the amp you want. The same problem goes for the pedals you want. You almost need a degree on the names of the items. It gets to a point where there are so many options that it becomes prohibitive to want to use it.
Both work brilliantly.. but there is nothing more magical than plugging into an amp and a cab standing in front and playing a big D chord.. i use both but if i have a chance to be next to the cab live ill take it.
I have a hx stomp set up so I can toggle between the input of my EVH head or the hx preamps into the EVH return. So like a two channel amp but with two completely different amps. Pedals before, after and within the stomp. Unconventional, but works for me.
If you have a Cubase Elements,ToneX profiler, Marshall DSL100 and a sound card like RME Raydat connected to simple Behringer 8 channel 8200 ADATs you can do absolutely any routing. So it would be like taking ToneX models to DSL power section as well taking the preamp of DSL to ToneX cabinet IRs. You can profile preamp section or with power section or with cab and mic for the IRs. After you win in lottery you can also use Neural Cortex or Kemper but you already know what to do with them when learned the system with cheaper ToneX. But I recommend to use a sound card having proper simple routing what RME offers. Unlimited routing inside PC with RME Raydat is really the game changer. I don't know about other pro stuff but that RME Raydat has been the best thing I've ever invested in because of the consistent and crashless and totally limitless routing possibilities.
The thing holding me back from getting the QC is the fact i love recording direct, and being able to change tones if i need to whilst mixing. However, I’m leaning more toward it, due to resource management
@@allendean9807 no problem! It can be used just like any usb interface, so you can even use microphones through it if you wanted. As well as sending signals back in to reamp, like I said earlier. Pretty nifty
My Rig is All Digital Now, The Valeton GP-200LT is all I need with selfmade patches because I just dont have the money for anything else (got it on sale for only £199 and even then that was a hard purchase cause of how much of my money that was)
I love my Super Kraken. It’s my favorite amp. But part of me feels like I can’t take full advantage of it because I only play in my bedroom. I’m so tempted to just get a QC since I love the Neural plugins.
I get the modelling (or profiling thing) but as they would say at TPS: real amplifiers just sound better. Even at larger concerts (6K, 17K, or even 60K outdoors) it JUST sounds better with real amps. I especially noticed that with The National, who I had previously seen with amplifiers but who switched to QC's. Just didnt feel the same.
Question for Rabea, if he sees this: What's the reason for using 2 separate lanes both taking input 1, instead of splitting, say, after the overdrive and having 2 output paths (panned) from there?
Not sure the info at 26:50 is correct? The amp MODEL would include the entirety of the AC30 (pre-amp and power amp sections). When you run that model into an FX return on the Kraken, you are effectively hitting another layer of power amp coloring to the tone. In this case an EL84 model blending with 6L6. However, you can capture a snapshot of an FX loop out (pre-amp only) and pair it with the real amps power section. The QC has some power section captures and pre amp captures to sort of break the amps apart if thats desired. But I’m not so sure Rabea is correct in saying that Vox model was “pre-amp only” routing into the Kraken. That said - Ive experimented with this and I don’t think it sounds bad disabling cab blocks and running the models into the amp FX return. Would love for someone to comment on this and sanity check my logic here!!
If I ever got to travel back in time to do one single thing and then come back, I'd take a Quad Cortex and a video with full in depth explanations on how it works, go back to 1969 and give it to Tony Iommi lmao
Yep, so proud - Bea is all growed up. And he's got exactly the right idea about gear - where is it written that its gotta be analog/tubes or digital, one or the other? That's just so stupid, so needlessly limiting. Gear are just tools - little different from screwdrivers. And i guarantee you got a ton of screwdrivers in your house right now.
I’ve been gigging hybrid for 4 years and I had more troubles than with full analog or full digital; the volumes, drive, eq and natural compression of the different fx or preamps that you use in a particular moment vary A LOT depending on the volume of your amp and the output volume of your modeling device. So if you always have all the time you want for setting all this stuff before the gig, maybe you only will be “fighting” with the usual compression fight of having two or three different preamps. BUT if sometimes you need to have a really quick soundcheck or plug and play… you will want to cry. The preamps that you use thru the loop, doesn’t get affected by the master volume of your amp, so maybe you play and the preset is so low volume or maybe you blast the audience with an unspected volume rise and that thru a p.a. Isn’t a good idea.
Probably an Ampeg V-4b? They're very cool amps, one of the best sounding Ampegs, for bass, or guitar. At 100w, maybe not the loudest bass amp in the world, for loud rock live in a large space, but rip your face off loud for a guitar
I wouldve liked it if you explained what a 4 cables vs 6 cable system was. I am unfamiliar with those terms and was trying my best to figure out where those 4 or 6 cables were going in the signal path. So I kinda got lost in translation.
Eventually, some company will come out with a program on computer and then in a pedal or rack, where you can “build your own amplifier”. You’ll have choices for resistors and transistors and tubes and caps and filters and you’ll be able to “solder” them anywhere in the circuit. Probably will have a virtual breadboard to start off with, and you build from there. You’ll be able to use different transformers and voltages to run them at. And you’ll be able to put different switches on it to turn on and off. It’ll wind up being an app you buy for $25.
I haven't played a regular amp in years lol. Making presets and importing/exporting files bores the sh*t outta me but that's the only disadvantage to analogue these days. In reality, gear is so good nowadays it doesn't matter as long as you're playing guitar!
Could honestly listen to Rabea talk gear and guitars all day, what a treat
Yes... me too man.
I like it when Rabea is on. he is an individual with his own take. I like that. Plus we are kind of hair brothers.
Cool, but him and I are dick brothers
Fro bros! Come on, get it right!
@@cchavez248 I'm old and still have a fro. Terminology escapes me. My hair hasn't.
@@vansongs lol , I'm 56 years old, you can't be that much older than me, right? But, I gotcha! I only have a fro if I get caught in the rain or I can't get a comb!
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Bea's such a monster player and sound fella, it's hard not to love him. Rock on big lad.
Never comment on here but at this point Mr.M deserves his own “the captain meets”. This is not the same dude I saw almost 15 years ago with the chap. Please at least change the title. This man has educated such a wide variety of people and players and if he’s no longer associated with the store than please give him his flowers as such a profoundly influential player on people pushing their 30s like me!
I agree with Rabea on this one. For me the amp and cab as part of the setup is just something I need on most applications.
Same for me too, got the JVM and the QC, I'd always use the QC because of how intuitive and amazing it sounds, but when I'm home I'm always on the JVM, I want to do a hybrid rig, stereo too but with one amp, maybe FR FR and JVM, only time will tell.
Man Pete and bea’s jams were legendary!
This is a really good conversation. It's almost as if music production can be kinda complicated or something.
I have to say this hybrid set up with QC seems really cool.
Great interview. Having a hybrid rig makes a lot of sense. Megadeth used a QC through power amp and cabs on stage and the sound was huge.
Rabea is always such a joy to watch/listen to!
For what it’s worth, you don’t have to be young to not enjoy the loud-amp-in-the-room experience. I’m older than Lee, and I’ve never enjoyed it. I’ve been really happy that technology has been able to get me the sound I want live. And, really, it was good enough for me in the nineties. What the tech can do today is more than I’d dreamed. (Although now it has me dreaming bigger. 🙂)
Same all around. Its a great time to rock
As a massive Bea fan and someone who's about to go down this same route, seeing this in my subs was a dream come true
My practice rig is hybrid , victory kraken v4 preamp (all valve) into a two notes cabm for power amp and speaker emulation. Run the whole thing with other effects pedals I need and listen via headphones on the cabm. so far feels amazing , sounds amazing.
I feel like a hybrid rig is definitely the way to go for sure!
Always tasteful playing and great tone. Go Rabea!
An Andertons video with Rabea.. instant watch and like
Love that stereo de- tuned moment. Would be great to have the de- tune dynamic meaning on an expression pedal. Big Fan Rabea. Montreal
I’ve used a modeler into xlr/in ears but split the signal before the IR block and use a power amp into a proper cab.
It’s less complicated than lugging around a valve amp and tons of wires and it sounds and feels amazing.
Such a great discussion love the hybrid set up with valve amp and quad.
Well done on this video. Learned so much and have so many different thoughts about configurations running through my mind. Well done once again!!
That’s exactly what I do as well. I use the QC loops, with a Synergy 50w head in one loop, and my QC captures in the chain. So I can toggle back and forth between tube amp or capture, or stack them together. Incredibly flexible.
I've recently converted to modellers after 15 years of dancing around a pedal board and I'm on both sides of the digital vs valve as i agree with what lee says getting familiar with the quad takes time and it kind of feels like you need to have a PHD to use the thing but after playing and some simple fiddling you can get a decent tone, yes it is easier to just turn an amp on and plug a pedal board in and get the tone you want but you're restricted to that tone.
The beauty of a modeller is you've got everything you want in one unit, you won't take up a lot of space on stage and have options as to how you output the tone versus taking up space on stage that most venues don't have especially if you're playing pub gigs, thousands of pounds of pedals and lugging in a lot of equipment.
The old school will need to embrace the new school just like we have had to do with electric cars and combustion engines.
I’m kind of the opposite of where you’re heading! I’ve used modelling stuff for ever but now I’m using a synergy amp with a helix FX unit in 4CM. I’ve gone through Fractal FM3, Quad Cortex, Kemper and FRFR stuff to land here. Basically I found that I although I had unlimited options I for tones I only use a couple in a show so find the real amp with the helix effects is perfect blend!
@@bionno78 Hmm- I think you posted under the wrong conversation bud.
Man- I learned to use a Headrush modeler without ever reading even one line from a manual or PDF file. It's bone head simple- touch screen, drag and drop interface- if you can use a computer, you can use the Headrush MX5 without ever reading anything. And I'm 52 years old and grew up playing a 50watt Plexi. I even figured out how to put 3rd party IRs on it without reading the how to- it's no different than connecting a flash drive and using it. And I mean that literally- it shows up as a flash drive on your computer and you interact with it like you do any other flash drive. And there's no way- and I'm saying this after playing real amps for over 30 years and only using a modeler for 9 months- that it's faster or simpler to dial in a tone using a real amp and an analogue pedal board. No way that's true- not even on day one of owning the thing. Not having to physically move around gear and cabling, being able to add fx anywhere in the chain- including after the cab if you want- just like in studio- makes all the difference in the world. For instance, if I end up with some anomaly in the tone- I don't have to go search for which two parameters on what two pedals aren't playing well together- I can just add a parametric eq right before the IR and fix it. I can also change IR's which is the same as changing the room tone, mic choices, and/or mic placements- think of how long that would take to actually do.
Plus, the audience is never hearing the tone you intended cuz you are dependent on the sound guy for the tone that goes to the audience with an analog set up.
You are at the mercy of the level or the lack there of the sound guy's mixing abilities, and you are ganna sound different every gig from a sound guy to the next and so on.
Not the case with modelers.
@@Eric-dd8bk The same sound guy takes the output from your modeler and mixes it with the rest of the band using the same console he would if he miced you up so- not sure how you think it's that different really. You get to choose your own mics and placements but- most sound guys will let you do that same thing with your analogue rig. You just bring your own mics and set them up yourself- they're happy to let you do it. They're not going to let you mess with the board but that's the same with your modeler- once you hand them the output, they eq it and mix it as they see fit.
Rabea’s take on gear in a modern metal world, is so refreshing.
I play a hybrid rig with a HX Stomp and Synergy amps + cab, sometimes switching out the preamp for a variation. It's awesome and letting that thing roar at rehearsals and gigs is a really nice experience.
I do think something like a QC is the best option for effects. For amps I still love having something that gets hot, has physical knobs that I can twist blindly, a satisfying switch to turn on, with tubes and transformers that tick as it cools down when you turn it off. Even if you give me an FRFR setup that *sounds* identical, it cannot give you that.
there are so many awesome possibilities with such a rig. I dont have a rig like THIS but I'm experimenting with signal splitting/ reamping from my DAW into amps. Having different IRs and effects to add at certain moments in a song combined with having the possibility to mic it up and blend everything is really, really awesome, overkill but awesome. :D
Another great video guys. A video of Rabea's Rig vs what he is emulating side by side. A couple of the amps are already in the room.
I played a gig this summer where the other guitarist cancelled, so used two amps but in fron of one i had the tape delay on 100% mix, 0 feedback and the shortest possible delay time. Just had to dial the wow and flutter in until it sounded natural and it worked like charm. A few milliseconds of delay, both volume and pitch where wobbeling a bit and the high end was rolled of a bit which added to make it sound like 2 different guitars. Probably the most "realistic" fake double i've used (although I haven't used a lot of them) but i highly recommend for anyone who needs to make yourself sound like 2 guitarists (you could probably use most tape delay pedals, not just the QC but I've never tried it with a different pedal)
I have a Katana-Artist (bought when first released) and a Katana 50 MKII EX for my home (both bought based on your recommendations) and I love them. I can't crank either of them because the entire subdivision I live in would riot (I get away with playing the US national anthem on the back patio on July 4th each year with my Artist cranked--I have been told by friends that they have heard it from 1 mile away). But I can also put on my headphones and jam without getting a visit from Officer Friendly for disturbing the peace. (After all that is my primary use and need.) For me, all the tone variations and drive permutations I want or need are there. I'm 70 and my gigging days are mostly over, so this suits my needs. Of course, in the hands of an accomplished shred monster like Bea, playing venues with widely varying sound characteristics, the hybrid is the perfect solution to highlight his playing strengths. Imagine the "de-engineering" required to make this rig your permanent bedroom/headphones chain.
Hope some of that makes sense. As always, it is great to see you mates working and brainstorming together. Thanks for the rundown. We mere mortals all benefit from your fountains of knowledge and experience. Cheers.
My rig is modeller + power amp + cab. You get the advantages of plugging straight into FOH as well as the advantages of pushing air from a cab.
I'm doing a similar hybrid setup with my band. A Pod Go with 4CM into a Marshall DSL40. For cleans, I use a preamp model of a Fender Twin from the Pod, using the power section of the Marshall. For crunch, the classic channel of the Marshall. For dirty, the lead channel of the Marshall. The Pod switches it all and provides effects, a lead boost, and a DI out with cab sim to FOH. A great best of both worlds.
At rehersal, or smaller venues, I'll run the Pod into the effects return of an old Fender Mustang III. It has a 12" 100W Celestion speaker, so it's a proper powered guitar cab, not FRFR for that proper amp feel. Much simpler and lighter to run though.
In both cases, if the amp or Pod fails, I can fall back on the other part of the rig and finish a set. It's a great way to go!
“Because I don’t want to” is the correct answer 😂
It’s personal. Small venues with quiet stages just kill the stage vibe. Bigger venues are a different ball game.
Great interview.
Seeing Bea in the antertons film room makes me so happy. Also, just made me want a QC all over again.
And at exactly 30:00 into the video, I really, really want a QC. That was the quickest tweak of a setting and a very satisfying change of sound output - amazing. :D
Nobody makes gear sound as good as Rebea 👽
The king of tone, incredible aural delight
I use a hybrid rig, with a more modest Hx Stomp, with a pair of analog od pedals over FX loop, and a valve amp.
For me, it's a very very complete way that gives me everything...and simple.
What I’ve been doing, and it is brilliantly efficient.
* Helix (no amp modeling) into Deluxe Reverb ToneMaster
* XLR out from ToneMaster to PA
* if its an in ears gig, the ToneMaster is silent. No stage volume
* if its a stage volume gig, the ToneMaster provides stage volume along with whatever wedges are being used, etc.
Dead simple. Easy to maintain. Easy to replace in emergency. Easy to replicate on the road with an SM57 and a valve deluxe.
When I’m asked, why not just use an amp model and forego the ToneMaster? “Because I don’t want to”
What a great video! Bea is a beast and this setup sounds amazing
When I got my Kemper Stage, I was still a little paranoid about not using a tube amp... so I run the "monitor" out from the board into the FX return of my Mesa tube combo. The tube power section with a 12" guitar speaker makes every profile come alive in a way that a FRFR cannot. Plus... the Tube combo is a backup for the Profiler, and the Profiler is a backup for the combo, like the baseball stadium show where we had to run direct. ☮❤🎶
Can I do this with an FM3 and a Mesa Nomad?
My fave part of this is at 16:00 after the Captain asks Rabea why he wouldn't just use a modeller into an FRFR on stage and he says "well because i don't want to". Epic 😆
I have no issue if an Andertons video comes across as a direct or veiled promo, they are trying to run a business. If I learn something or I am entertained then it was worth the watch.
what a Vid. Bea is sooo enjoyable to watch, especially when he is the wealth of knowledge on the subject like this. Loved it!
This video has really inspired me to keep my Victory amp and try to get a hybrid rig going.
I’ve recently been gigging with the Quad Cortex alone. It’s just easier as a non-headlining band to just run the QC without the extra setup time. But thanks for the video! More experimenting to be done!
Great discussion, loving the QC, for me i have gone with the Seymour power stage into 2 1x12 cabs to shift the air, profiled my mesa mk5:25 for my clean and not looked back, will always keep my amps but at present using the QC / Seymour set up. But really looking forward to plug in compatibility as i own 4 at the moment. Although enjoying what you play in what ever set up you use is the most important, there is no right or wrong way.
I like Rabeas way of playing guitar. 👍
I believe that cross compatibility to plugins is a thing when I see it :D
It's been a huge reason why I bought so many of their plugins. The idea of getting those tones on the QC has always been really tempting!
I guess I can start saving up for the QC now, though, and maybe buy one once they really do the plugin compatibility thing. Still have doubts, but the hopes are high!
Helix does
Why would you want to have Plugin Tones on the QC? The QC is almost 2 Grand.. shouldnt it give better tones than a 100 EUR Plugin?
@@davidsartorius6631 You realise the QC is 2k because you buy the hardware that runs the plugins and not just the plugins ?
@@cyrnoz1803 yeah sure… so the plugin tones are better than the Tones you can create with the QC? Why would i even consider then to run a plugin in the QC?
@@davidsartorius6631 Never said that, I assume that the cross compatibility will sound pretty much the same on both. The QC gives you a looot of amps modeled after real amps, plugins are mostly signature tones, exept like 3 or 4 of them
Better doesn't really mean anything since it all sounds good, it's subjective. Plus the applications are different QC is more for the giging musician, if you just wanna play or record at home It's overkill IMO.
Personally even if I don't run the whole plugins in the QC I'll be very happy to have access to the effects, for exemple I love the delay and reverb from the plini plugin for ambient stuff
Wow man for the first time in a long time my chin hit the floor when you started messing around with the QC to sort of sample its flexibility you did the pitch shifting a whole octave down I was like fck me that's Mike Kerr in reverse 😆 It gave me chills and as per usual Rabea sounds fckin awesome! And hands down my favorite guitarist of modern times!
This guitar looks absolutely amazing 😊
The best answer ever! “Because I don’t want to.”
I like my fm3 with my synergy or revv heads. I use an fm3, a direwolf overdrive, and a 4cm noise gate and it's amazing. I use the fm3 for all my other effects (delay reverb compression ambient sounds ect) and it's also my midi channel switcher. I've played a couple gigs already where I needed the power of that revv and a 4x12, the fm3 eliminates so much hassle and the effects sounds so damn good.
exactly 30 minutes in, that sounds epic!
Also you mention Helix,Axe fx, obviously Quad cortex and then use the term "other modelers, is Kemper a banned term, have they copy written the brand name? Kemper seems to be the child that shall not be named. I bought my Kemper from Andertons for £1300 and you cant even mention the brand name.. i'm not trying
to be a fan boy but Kemper always is reffered to as "the other"
Totally with him on needing the roar of the amp live. It's what makes playing live fun. In ear monitors through a modeler it's like I"m just practicing in my room at home. I think the sound of a real tube amp through a real cabinet sounds the best too. SOunds big and fat . Again it's what makes playing live with a real band fun.
sick sick tones, and innovative approaches getting there. When Bea mentioned that his plug-in on QC means his synth will be supported I went 'oh sh$%t I didn't think about that!' ... so looking forward to that.
This makes me recall seeing Deafheaven with a hybrid digital/cabs setup.
Not sure if Plini had cabs.. I don’t think he did and you know he sounded awesome.
I love that you’re thinking of sticking with 6 cable. Get that roar + tonal flexibility!!
I dream up ridiculous routing to do what I want all the time. Can’t afford the gear to pull it off but many diagrams have been drawn and switching products investigated 😁 so, stamp of approval as a tone hunter/guitarist not afraid of many cables
i personally use only the Quad Cortex with my Band Live. For the Oomph that you get from a Real Cab i have a Headrush 112 on stage pointing at the audience with an EQed signal that delivers the low mids, every time i talk to people after a gig they tell me how much they enjoy that they still get the oomph from the stage. while having the sound from the PA. Works really well for me and my Band. The Other Guitar Player does the Same with a Kemper, one to FOH one EQed to a stage monitor pointing to the audeience for the Oomph 👌 we both really do not wanna carry around those huge tube amps and cabs and rather be set up in 20 minutes with walkting to the bus only once. We rather help the Drummer set up his kit 👌I knoiw it'S not "the same" but it works great for us.
I feel like the idea of preference is a very important point. People get stuck in their heads that an amp sounds better than a modeler or profiler when in reality that isn’t the question. It’s where are you playing? What’s your preference? You want stage volume? Or are you just running in ears? If you’re just running in ears and your amps would be in an isolation cab off stage, you’d get a more consistent sound using a modeler or profiler. If you are playing on stage with your amp and you prefer that, then do that. An even bigger point is, what a great time to be a damn guitar player. Haha
"We're rattling on here" I could easily listen/watch Rabea tweak the QC for a long time
Love Rab's playing- I am however a dedicated Valve man 😂😂
I've moved over to NU-X for 75% of my gigging. It really depends for me on the style I'm playing. I go Valve stage amps when I play blues or Classic Rock. At church all modeling. NU-X MG 30 serves me well. In my home studio, it's all modeling.
i 100% agree with Rabea on having cabs on stage. I went to go see Weezer in June and Scott Shriner, their bass player, had cabs but Rivers and Brian didnt. The bass was so much more forward and punchy
Apologies for commenting after only skimming the vid, but just watching the decibel meter go to 99.5 when Rabea turned up to full volume, made me wonder if you guys every worry about your hearing sitting about two feet away from the cabinet?
@@TheBoss0time sounds like an argument to just do heroin
Rabea is the King!
I would be very helpul and addictive to see the actual routings as pro level graph. For example when they are talking about particular routing aspect of the rig the graph would briefly pop up with focus marked.Then the video would serve as a knowledge base that the customer can return to again and again. You can double the added value by doubling the effort so the cost is not a big deal. Having made it happen once the graphing user case is ready for any setup.
I’m seriously thinking about getting a QC. Wanted a GigRig to control my pedals but I’m kind of thinking a QC and capturing my pedals might be amazing fun!
Love seeing rabea in the videos. Just seems like such a good guy.
The biggest problem i have with the digital processors is that there may be 100 amps available on a given modeler but the names dont match up and you spend forever trying to figure out what the name on the modeler matches the name of the amp you want. The same problem goes for the pedals you want. You almost need a degree on the names of the items. It gets to a point where there are so many options that it becomes prohibitive to want to use it.
Both work brilliantly.. but there is nothing more magical than plugging into an amp and a cab standing in front and playing a big D chord.. i use both but if i have a chance to be next to the cab live ill take it.
I have a hx stomp set up so I can toggle between the input of my EVH head or the hx preamps into the EVH return. So like a two channel amp but with two completely different amps. Pedals before, after and within the stomp. Unconventional, but works for me.
If you have a Cubase Elements,ToneX profiler, Marshall DSL100 and a sound card like RME Raydat connected to simple Behringer 8 channel 8200 ADATs you can do absolutely any routing. So it would be like taking ToneX models to DSL power section as well taking the preamp of DSL to ToneX cabinet IRs. You can profile preamp section or with power section or with cab and mic for the IRs. After you win in lottery you can also use Neural Cortex or Kemper but you already know what to do with them when learned the system with cheaper ToneX. But I recommend to use a sound card having proper simple routing what RME offers. Unlimited routing inside PC with RME Raydat is really the game changer. I don't know about other pro stuff but that RME Raydat has been the best thing I've ever invested in because of the consistent and crashless and totally limitless routing possibilities.
the “Legend” gained some wait back
11:55 I thought The Captain was gonna say, that's like the 4 cable method but with 2 more cables lol
can you share the QC preset used in this video?
The thing holding me back from getting the QC is the fact i love recording direct, and being able to change tones if i need to whilst mixing. However, I’m leaning more toward it, due to resource management
You can do that wuth QC too. It uses USB so you can just send the dry signal to it
@@TKDmasterX i did not know that- thanks so much!
@@allendean9807 no problem! It can be used just like any usb interface, so you can even use microphones through it if you wanted. As well as sending signals back in to reamp, like I said earlier. Pretty nifty
My Rig is All Digital Now, The Valeton GP-200LT is all I need with selfmade patches because I just dont have the money for anything else (got it on sale for only £199 and even then that was a hard purchase cause of how much of my money that was)
I love my Super Kraken. It’s my favorite amp. But part of me feels like I can’t take full advantage of it because I only play in my bedroom. I’m so tempted to just get a QC since I love the Neural plugins.
instead of spending on a QC, spend on booking a rehearsal space and turn up loud!
Considering the Vox sound was coming through a Kraken amp and a cab with Cream Backs, not bad.
Captain, Pete and Rabea, could you make a video to explain the 6 cable method?
I get the modelling (or profiling thing) but as they would say at TPS: real amplifiers just sound better. Even at larger concerts (6K, 17K, or even 60K outdoors) it JUST sounds better with real amps. I especially noticed that with The National, who I had previously seen with amplifiers but who switched to QC's. Just didnt feel the same.
Question for Rabea, if he sees this: What's the reason for using 2 separate lanes both taking input 1, instead of splitting, say, after the overdrive and having 2 output paths (panned) from there?
Great talk! Very helpful.
More Rabea content :D!!!
Steve Vai has the right idea. Use the digital Axefx for effects and the analogue tubed Synergy amps for Tone.
Great interview! Is there a diagram of this 6 cable method stereo amp setup?
Nice Gear Bea
I see Rabea, I click like!
Not sure the info at 26:50 is correct? The amp MODEL would include the entirety of the AC30 (pre-amp and power amp sections). When you run that model into an FX return on the Kraken, you are effectively hitting another layer of power amp coloring to the tone. In this case an EL84 model blending with 6L6. However, you can capture a snapshot of an FX loop out (pre-amp only) and pair it with the real amps power section. The QC has some power section captures and pre amp captures to sort of break the amps apart if thats desired. But I’m not so sure Rabea is correct in saying that Vox model was “pre-amp only” routing into the Kraken. That said - Ive experimented with this and I don’t think it sounds bad disabling cab blocks and running the models into the amp FX return. Would love for someone to comment on this and sanity check my logic here!!
If I ever got to travel back in time to do one single thing and then come back, I'd take a Quad Cortex and a video with full in depth explanations on how it works, go back to 1969 and give it to Tony Iommi lmao
Yep, so proud - Bea is all growed up. And he's got exactly the right idea about gear - where is it written that its gotta be analog/tubes or digital, one or the other? That's just so stupid, so needlessly limiting. Gear are just tools - little different from screwdrivers. And i guarantee you got a ton of screwdrivers in your house right now.
I’ve been gigging hybrid for 4 years and I had more troubles than with full analog or full digital; the volumes, drive, eq and natural compression of the different fx or preamps that you use in a particular moment vary A LOT depending on the volume of your amp and the output volume of your modeling device.
So if you always have all the time you want for setting all this stuff before the gig, maybe you only will be “fighting” with the usual compression fight of having two or three different preamps. BUT if sometimes you need to have a really quick soundcheck or plug and play… you will want to cry.
The preamps that you use thru the loop, doesn’t get affected by the master volume of your amp, so maybe you play and the preset is so low volume or maybe you blast the audience with an unspected volume rise and that thru a p.a. Isn’t a good idea.
Probably an Ampeg V-4b? They're very cool amps, one of the best sounding Ampegs, for bass, or guitar. At 100w, maybe not the loudest bass amp in the world, for loud rock live in a large space, but rip your face off loud for a guitar
I wouldve liked it if you explained what a 4 cables vs 6 cable system was. I am unfamiliar with those terms and was trying my best to figure out where those 4 or 6 cables were going in the signal path. So I kinda got lost in translation.
Eventually, some company will come out with a program on computer and then in a pedal or rack, where you can “build your own amplifier”.
You’ll have choices for resistors and transistors and tubes and caps and filters and you’ll be able to “solder” them anywhere in the circuit. Probably will have a virtual breadboard to start off with, and you build from there.
You’ll be able to use different transformers and voltages to run them at. And you’ll be able to put different switches on it to turn on and off.
It’ll wind up being an app you buy for $25.
Bias FX anyone? Anyone?
I haven't played a regular amp in years lol. Making presets and importing/exporting files bores the sh*t outta me but that's the only disadvantage to analogue these days. In reality, gear is so good nowadays it doesn't matter as long as you're playing guitar!
Can you detail how this is wired?
@Rabea Massaad can you please upload the preset to the cloud? Also would this work with a hot rod series amp?
Great vid!
Fantastic!!!!!
I‘am wondering how good the 4CM with the QC is working. Any problems with it?
Can you guys open an Andertons in Wichita Kansas? Asking for a friend.
Not sure if i missed this, but to run 6 cable are you using 2 heads?
Would this work with a kemper rack I have a jvm I love
10:28 feel the GIRTH