I've been using a stereo Barefaced rig with my QC at home for the last year. These things are the GOAT of flat response cabs. Alex and the team really know what they are doing.
Sounds very good. When you moved the mic behind the cab you could immediately hear all of the low end you were talking about, especially with the high gain tone. Sounded super full and mean for that and the cleans were awesome as well.
I mean if you're using a modeler you'd be going straight to front of house for your audience sound. This would be just for stage monitoring in a live setting most likely, but should be able to keep up with a drummer no problem
It sounded amazing wherever you put the Mike, except for the last spot just sounded good! I really liked it behind the cab,either way your playing is always awesome
I recently made the jump and bought a Quad Cortex. My main concern was being able to play through something which wouldn't flavor the output the same ways traditional cab/speakers do. I also didn't want to play the QC through headphones. I wanted good sound with the feeling of an amp. After seeing what a some 2x12 FRFRs were costing here in the US, I hit up Thomann's site for fun and found: Harley Benton G212A-FR Active Cabinet. It's a 2x12 2x100w cab, has XLR and 1/4" options. It is only available with a 220v option though. I ordered it and also ordered a 240v/120v 1500w convertor from Amazon, cost was around $60. Works great. the HB FRFR sounds good and gets loud, pushes air, and is to lean back if you wanted the sound directed up. I was also able to reclaim some space. The EVH 5150iii head, a 2x12 cabinet, and pedals/pedalboard took up a bit of space. I'm happy I made the switch and change on the HB...
Yes, it's not a conventional port which just improve low frequency output and efficiency using a Helmholtz resonance, it's our patented AVD which also lets the the mids and highs through, using the slot to diffract them and the horn to further widen their dispersion and improve efficiency and coupling to the air in the room. The biggest problem we've found with the AVD is representing it honestly in videos - it works much better in a room with human ears and brains than when you're trying to mic the room sound to let people hear in a video how well it's working!
I really like the idea of FRFR…you can gain stage ya stuff in your modeler…sort out ya tones and they’ll be consistent every time when you plug into an FRFR! Just so easy!
Funnily enough this is how Barefaced started because as a bassist I wanted to be able to DI straight into a PA with all my FX etc and get the same sound onstage without worrying about the monitoring - and then I wanted enough output to be able to go without the PA in those venues where the PA is a bit feeble. And now fifteen years on we're making an active version of that for guitarists!
I've been through FRFR after FRFR cab. I can tell you right now the absolute best solution for modelers is the Seymour Duncan Power Stage. You can run any modeler into any guitar cab and you get ALL the benefits of the amp in the room and flexibility of modeling. Forget FRFR cabs and just buy a Seymour Duncan Power Stage.
I'm still waiting for my upsizing 2x12 with a Celestion BN 300S and a Thick Boy from OverTonez Audio...600w for my baritone. I can't wait to try it. It will arrive in a few weeks...
THAT SOUNDS GREAT. I USE A ATOMIC CLR WHICH SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD AS WELL BUT IT IS 500 WATTS BI AMPED. I LIKE THE FRFR CAB FOR STAGE MONITORING RATER THAN AN IEM.
I have the Kraken V4 Amp and am considering using an FRFR cab because the 200w output is just too loud for home use plus would like to leverage the IR flexibility. I've been considering the Fender but I hadn't heard of Barefaced. This is interesting.
I wonder how it would sound if you ran the line out signal from a tube amp into one of these. I've owned the Atomic Reactor FRFR cabs - 1 18-watt and the other 50-watt (both tube power) - with a Headrush and they sounded amazing but they were too heavy and too loud.
I mean it’s never gonna sound like a real amp on a cab cause the ir will always be cab and mic together. I guess the monitoring is the important thing, and if it can do the feedback thing, why not use an frfr speaker. It simply works
Was dead keen on getting one for a Kemper, but comms fell away from the typical sales cycle, and found it difficult to get the right amount of info to make a purchase decision - ended up going down the Mesa route. Would still be keen to try one at some point.
I bought one of those Celestion speakers and put it in a Thiele cab, and it didn't sound right. There's gotta be a spec for the cab build that's correct for it.
They sound very transparent, but for the cost, I can't justify that, lol. Besides, I just hang out with some friends and jam with a Quad Cortex and some old KRK 8's (2nd Generation, the ones with that 200hz boost/distortion in them, lol) on chairs and still have fun. Although if I wanted the most accurate sound that sounds more like the record sound but live and loud, these could work.
I have one of the Harley Benton 2x12 cabs with the Celestion speakers that retail for $99. Total cost $230 which included shipping. So in essence you buy the speakers and get the cabinet for free. And what a cabinet it is.
The argument could be made that if you want it to sound like an amp in a room you need to feed it that signal, IR's are giving you the sound of an amp mic'd with it's own character and frequency response so the a FRFR is simply faithfully recreating that. FRFR should sound like a good PA or set of studio monitors as they should also be recreating a full range of frequencies inputted faithfully. I suspect that using a IR created with a mic with close to flat response might get you closer to a amp in the room tone. But I guess that question would be is that helpful, do you want to hear what the audience is hearing or something that sound's like a amp in the room (which is not what the audience is going to hear unless your IR's are presenting that to your PA/FRFR/Monitors)
I'd kill to hear this set up with Dave and Ben. Im always so scared of solo playing FRFR cab content. Does it sit well with acoustic drums? does the low end of amp sims get in the way of an in room bass?
Depends on the "camp" your mind is in. ..FR is the way to go for modelers in my opinion. Based on Captures, profiles, ECT your getting the intended sound and variations based on signal chain through speaker,mic,cab position...takes time to setup everything if you're a capture maker so y not take full advantage as a player and listener. If you dump everything through a Poweramp and actual speaker cab, your diezel vh4 and bogner ubershall are going to sound super similar vibe.... coming out the same speaker. If we are all tone whores and hoarders as we should be. Why would you not have a FR.
Sounds good for a frfr. Workable for your music. No matter the miking. Rock sounds are always the problem. Too deep lows and strange highs like - what a surprise - a pa speaker or bass amp. Needs some tweaking to get that right.
I've had 4 FRFR pairs 1x8, 1x10, 1x12, 2x12 - they all sound markedly different. And not just in low end response. Mids and highs can be nowhere close to 'the same'. In my experience, there is no such thing as no coloration.
Dunno if you'd ever use this live unless jamming or as a monitor. Can't ever mic this thing up live. So unless you're feeding your sim into the house PA you're kinda losing versatility vs a normal cab. Would be awesome for plugin champs at home though. Could be the goer for the bedroom.
Believe it or not, a lot of in-house sound engineers/club owners still get freaked out when I show up with my Helix. It's all about, "Oh no, you can't run all that guitar through my PA, you'll blow it up!" Ideally for me, I'd run left channel out to the House PA, and right to a FRFR onstage. Seems like that covers all the bases.
But it's mic'ed up. The sound coming from the speaker is already one of a mic in front of a guitar speaker. So this thing can really only be judged in person.
I wonder what would happen if you would put the sounds of the cortex through the cab without verbs, delays etc And add that through the front of house. This sounds a bit weird in my ears.
What’s interesting here, is these are now generally ID’d as powered cabs An EVM 12L is also an FRFR, speaker. In a Theile cab, it has enhanced lo end, but still a flat response. So not modeled, you get your amps sound, un colored. Not the same concept, but equally valid, I bought one very early in my guitar journey, which actually started on Bass, This type of FRFR, is very good for Bass, using a bass amp, and to me also perfect for the guitar sound I want. I’ve tried celestions, even an old ALTEC, which, along with JBL, were the original FRFR Peaky in comparison to EVM, I personally find celestions fizzy, I play a MB amp, before that I played a 70’s Musicman amp, which is hybrid, SS pre-amp, tube output After that I had a similar rack set up, MB V-twin into MB 50-50 tube power. All tube is what I’ll stay with….
To me, FRFR systems or PA speakers if we cut to the chase, are the real downfall of all these modeling amps… As good as Rabea is, to me, he doesn’t overcome the sound of that speaker. So you still have to bring a power amp and a guitar cab, which brings you right back to square one and you might as well just bring an amp to begin with…
Suffers from the same boxy sound that all FRFRs suffer from. The Laney FR-212 is the closet I've heard to actually sounding like a guitar cabinet and I have owned most of the FRFRs on the market. Did sound better with the mic in the back.
I mean what makes a guitar cab interesting is that it's limited freq range. Like those boss cabs that had the ability to limit the freq response or make it full range were interesting so you could go back and forth on whats preferable to you. "Cab in the room" sound is much different than the "sound in the daw". I still will never understand why Neural DSP EQ'd their plugins so horribly that they sound like ass in a mix - versus something like McRocklins, NAM, the STL Tone stuff all are EQ'd GREAT.
"...this is a UA-cam video..." sure, but its also a commercial for Barefaced - without being labeled as such.. The fact that he is also promoting himself in it made me laugh... an Ad inside an Ad. Everything he does for quite some time is a commercial. Its ok to certain extent, but if the vibe of the "video" exclusively the commercial... i have to ask miself the next time if i want to experience a commercial with Rabea in it, instead of watching a Rabea clip with Ads. He claims to just do it for some sort of tryout or experience. Maybe he's such a Pro that everything he does turns to Pro, even the "vibe". Maybe thats the reason it haven't watched him in while. It's ok to make a living out of commercials on any Platform. But if the difference between a promoting musician and a musical promoter is blured, without disclaimers, i staart to doubt on words, intensions and of course your opinions in any clip at any time. Please label your stuff as an Add.
Now, to me this is the equivalent of snake oil. FRFR cabs, they have speakers in them. There are many FRFR cabs available, they don't all use the same speaker. As you said, a speaker adds its own 'personality' to the tone, as does the build/structure of the cab itself... Putting a modelling amp through one FRFR will sound different to another FRFR with a different speaker in it. Yes?
The tone.......................................a sign of your great ears my man..............stunning
That was really cool as you moved the mic around the room 👍 i enjoyed hearing the different perspectives
I've been using a stereo Barefaced rig with my QC at home for the last year. These things are the GOAT of flat response cabs. Alex and the team really know what they are doing.
Are you running two of their cabs? Or doing the stereo option they offer? I’m a little confused on which cab to buy plus which activier module
@phoenixbt I have one Reality 112 with the stereo activier module, and one Reality 112 without an activier.
Sounds very good. When you moved the mic behind the cab you could immediately hear all of the low end you were talking about, especially with the high gain tone. Sounded super full and mean for that and the cleans were awesome as well.
That sounds freaking incredible when you moved the mic. For the first time, it sounded awesome. That tone was great, in my opinion.❤😮
Full range flat response
For real for real
full range freakin rad
@@RabeaMassaad Glad I wasn't alone (until 2:56)
Fulltone Resonating Frequency Rectifier
full frequency fart receptacle
Amazing how consistent the tone starts no matter where you put the mic, great design by barefaced!
Dude, hell yeah. This what youtube should be about. Experimenting, trying shit, "what if I did this?". The room mic Experiment was fun to hear
Holy s*** When you put the mic behind the cab, it sounded even better.
It definitely sounds pretty sick. I like it 🎸🎸😎curious to hear how it sounds with a band playing
I mean if you're using a modeler you'd be going straight to front of house for your audience sound. This would be just for stage monitoring in a live setting most likely, but should be able to keep up with a drummer no problem
At around 17:29 the sound was amazing.
Great thick lo end, not quite what we usually hear from you, yes behind it is really cool from where we are! Great room vibe…..
I was thinking of having just a cab. then Bea uploaded this. it's very affordable!
It sounded amazing wherever you put the Mike, except for the last spot just sounded good! I really liked it behind the cab,either way your playing is always awesome
Sounds great! Playing is on point as usual! 😎🤘
been waiting for someone to demo all their cabs! since that rob video a few years ago
I recently made the jump and bought a Quad Cortex. My main concern was being able to play through something which wouldn't flavor the output the same ways traditional cab/speakers do. I also didn't want to play the QC through headphones. I wanted good sound with the feeling of an amp. After seeing what a some 2x12 FRFRs were costing here in the US, I hit up Thomann's site for fun and found: Harley Benton G212A-FR Active Cabinet. It's a 2x12 2x100w cab, has XLR and 1/4" options. It is only available with a 220v option though. I ordered it and also ordered a 240v/120v 1500w convertor from Amazon, cost was around $60. Works great. the HB FRFR sounds good and gets loud, pushes air, and is to lean back if you wanted the sound directed up.
I was also able to reclaim some space. The EVH 5150iii head, a 2x12 cabinet, and pedals/pedalboard took up a bit of space. I'm happy I made the switch and change on the HB...
It definitely sounds pretty sick. I like it 🎸🎸😎
LETS GOO BAREFACED!!! love themm
Fantastic!
Amazing tone dude!
The barefaced cabs are ported to make the sound spread more evenly around the room, even the non-FRFR ones have that same type of effect.
Yes, it's not a conventional port which just improve low frequency output and efficiency using a Helmholtz resonance, it's our patented AVD which also lets the the mids and highs through, using the slot to diffract them and the horn to further widen their dispersion and improve efficiency and coupling to the air in the room. The biggest problem we've found with the AVD is representing it honestly in videos - it works much better in a room with human ears and brains than when you're trying to mic the room sound to let people hear in a video how well it's working!
Darn, and when you moved it, the third time, it sounded even better.
Love to see a Bareface vs Fender FR-12 shootout.
I feel that would be a bit unfair on the Fender!
I really like the idea of FRFR…you can gain stage ya stuff in your modeler…sort out ya tones and they’ll be consistent every time when you plug into an FRFR! Just so easy!
Funnily enough this is how Barefaced started because as a bassist I wanted to be able to DI straight into a PA with all my FX etc and get the same sound onstage without worrying about the monitoring - and then I wanted enough output to be able to go without the PA in those venues where the PA is a bit feeble. And now fifteen years on we're making an active version of that for guitarists!
I just got the tonemaster frfr and it makes my qc really feel like an amp. They're awesome
I've been through FRFR after FRFR cab. I can tell you right now the absolute best solution for modelers is the Seymour Duncan Power Stage. You can run any modeler into any guitar cab and you get ALL the benefits of the amp in the room and flexibility of modeling. Forget FRFR cabs and just buy a Seymour Duncan Power Stage.
So you've got your modeler into the power stage and the power stage into a regular cab right?
I'm still waiting for my upsizing 2x12 with a Celestion BN 300S and a Thick Boy from OverTonez Audio...600w for my baritone. I can't wait to try it. It will arrive in a few weeks...
Dammit the title should be FR FR cabs...are they really For Real ? 💀
I’m changing the thumbnail
I changed it hahahah
@@RabeaMassaad Love you Rabea xx
@@RabeaMassaad L e g e n d
@@RabeaMassaad fr fr🙏
Fill range flat response ❤❤❤❤FRFR
THAT SOUNDS GREAT. I USE A ATOMIC CLR WHICH SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD AS WELL BUT IT IS 500 WATTS BI AMPED. I LIKE THE FRFR CAB FOR STAGE MONITORING RATER THAN AN IEM.
I have the Kraken V4 Amp and am considering using an FRFR cab because the 200w output is just too loud for home use plus would like to leverage the IR flexibility. I've been considering the Fender but I hadn't heard of Barefaced. This is interesting.
I wonder how it would sound if you ran the line out signal from a tube amp into one of these. I've owned the Atomic Reactor FRFR cabs - 1 18-watt and the other 50-watt (both tube power) - with a Headrush and they sounded amazing but they were too heavy and too loud.
❤️9:00
I mean it’s never gonna sound like a real amp on a cab cause the ir will always be cab and mic together. I guess the monitoring is the important thing, and if it can do the feedback thing, why not use an frfr speaker. It simply works
Was dead keen on getting one for a Kemper, but comms fell away from the typical sales cycle, and found it difficult to get the right amount of info to make a purchase decision - ended up going down the Mesa route. Would still be keen to try one at some point.
They are For Real For Real. I’ll see myself out.
Love the videos!
Is there a place I can buy tabs for fire by the silos?
I bought one of those Celestion speakers and put it in a Thiele cab, and it didn't sound right. There's gotta be a spec for the cab build that's correct for it.
They sound very transparent, but for the cost, I can't justify that, lol. Besides, I just hang out with some friends and jam with a Quad Cortex and some old KRK 8's (2nd Generation, the ones with that 200hz boost/distortion in them, lol) on chairs and still have fun. Although if I wanted the most accurate sound that sounds more like the record sound but live and loud, these could work.
I have one of the Harley Benton 2x12 cabs with the Celestion speakers that retail for $99. Total cost $230 which included shipping. So in essence you buy the speakers and get the cabinet for free.
And what a cabinet it is.
Brooo I had that same Tool shirt in 2001 lol
sounds great man! wicked solution to those with a QC, 200w too thats a winner!! Will you take one for touring?
The only thing i dislike about most brands offering frfr cabs is that they stick to single speakers instead of like 2x12s
The argument could be made that if you want it to sound like an amp in a room you need to feed it that signal, IR's are giving you the sound of an amp mic'd with it's own character and frequency response so the a FRFR is simply faithfully recreating that. FRFR should sound like a good PA or set of studio monitors as they should also be recreating a full range of frequencies inputted faithfully.
I suspect that using a IR created with a mic with close to flat response might get you closer to a amp in the room tone. But I guess that question would be is that helpful, do you want to hear what the audience is hearing or something that sound's like a amp in the room (which is not what the audience is going to hear unless your IR's are presenting that to your PA/FRFR/Monitors)
FRFR for monitoring is interesting to me
8:52 he unleashed the filthy and its working, look at the face.
It took me a minute but I thought you were all taking different cabs to the rehearsal space.
For Real For Real Cabs
I'd kill to hear this set up with Dave and Ben. Im always so scared of solo playing FRFR cab content. Does it sit well with acoustic drums? does the low end of amp sims get in the way of an in room bass?
C’mon let it rock”
What great timing! I was just introduced to Bare faced cabinets last week. Can you do a demo of the regular 1x12 & 2x12 if possible?
It definitely sounds awesome. But $1,249 usd is pretty steep price for a 1x12 frfr
Is the fender one louder than this one?
Depends on the "camp" your mind is in. ..FR is the way to go for modelers in my opinion.
Based on Captures, profiles, ECT your getting the intended sound and variations based on signal chain through speaker,mic,cab position...takes time to setup everything if you're a capture maker so y not take full advantage as a player and listener.
If you dump everything through a Poweramp and actual speaker cab, your diezel vh4 and bogner ubershall are going to sound super similar vibe.... coming out the same speaker.
If we are all tone whores and hoarders as we should be. Why would you not have a FR.
I want a class AB frfr.
Would it work good with two of those in stereo ?
If you can get an Atomic CLR Neo MKII there, try one. Nothing comes close.
Perfect for guitar synth players with 2.
Have you used it in a live performance?
Sounds good for a frfr. Workable for your music. No matter the miking. Rock sounds are always the problem. Too deep lows and strange highs like - what a surprise - a pa speaker or bass amp. Needs some tweaking to get that right.
I have the Fender version but that’s 1000 watts. Makes me wonder if 200 is enough 🤔 I see a whole new market opening up for amp builders here…
What powers the speaker? I guess it is not valves/tubes so solid state?
Probably a class D solidstate amp.
I've tried frfr, but they'll still never beat a real amp.
I actually sent the frfr cab I bought back
Just buy an active full range monitor or speaker box cause that's what you will be playing through live
Should u mic the cab?since the idea of impulse response is a emulation of mic'd cab
No, of course not. But he needs some way of capturing the audio for this video.
I've had 4 FRFR pairs 1x8, 1x10, 1x12, 2x12 - they all sound markedly different. And not just in low end response. Mids and highs can be nowhere close to 'the same'.
In my experience, there is no such thing as no coloration.
Dunno if you'd ever use this live unless jamming or as a monitor. Can't ever mic this thing up live. So unless you're feeding your sim into the house PA you're kinda losing versatility vs a normal cab. Would be awesome for plugin champs at home though. Could be the goer for the bedroom.
I don't really get why these exist when you can just plug your modeller direct into the PA system?
Believe it or not, a lot of in-house sound engineers/club owners still get freaked out when I show up with my Helix. It's all about, "Oh no, you can't run all that guitar through my PA, you'll blow it up!"
Ideally for me, I'd run left channel out to the House PA, and right to a FRFR onstage. Seems like that covers all the bases.
@@skyhorseprice6591ah that makes sense!
The real test is does it cut thru a drummer bass amp and a real amp in live room mix no pa
@08:48 sick driven tone
It was pretty "muddy" in my high quality headphones.
Basically, a keyboard amp?
Sounds oddly rolled off on the top end. But great playing as always.
But it's mic'ed up. The sound coming from the speaker is already one of a mic in front of a guitar speaker. So this thing can really only be judged in person.
For real for real?
I wonder what would happen if you would put the sounds of the cortex through the cab without verbs, delays etc And add that through the front of house. This sounds a bit weird in my ears.
What’s interesting here, is these are now generally ID’d as powered cabs
An EVM 12L is also an FRFR, speaker. In a Theile cab, it has enhanced lo end, but still a flat response. So not modeled, you get your amps sound, un colored.
Not the same concept, but equally valid, I bought one very early in my guitar journey, which actually started on Bass,
This type of FRFR, is very good for Bass, using a bass amp, and to me also perfect for the guitar sound I want.
I’ve tried celestions, even an old ALTEC, which, along with JBL, were the original FRFR
Peaky in comparison to EVM, I personally find celestions fizzy, I play a MB amp, before that I played a 70’s Musicman amp, which is hybrid, SS pre-amp, tube output
After that I had a similar rack set up, MB V-twin into MB 50-50 tube power. All tube is what I’ll stay with….
To me, FRFR systems or PA speakers if we cut to the chase, are the real downfall of all these modeling amps… As good as Rabea is, to me, he doesn’t overcome the sound of that speaker. So you still have to bring a power amp and a guitar cab, which brings you right back to square one and you might as well just bring an amp to begin with…
I read it as for real for real cabs, am I cooked fr?
@@MRlocoman123 fr bro 🫠
FRLR?
Suffers from the same boxy sound that all FRFRs suffer from. The Laney FR-212 is the closet I've heard to actually sounding like a guitar cabinet and I have owned most of the FRFRs on the market. Did sound better with the mic in the back.
so after many many years of mic the amps in front we learnt that mic the amp in front sounds the worst
I mean what makes a guitar cab interesting is that it's limited freq range. Like those boss cabs that had the ability to limit the freq response or make it full range were interesting so you could go back and forth on whats preferable to you. "Cab in the room" sound is much different than the "sound in the daw". I still will never understand why Neural DSP EQ'd their plugins so horribly that they sound like ass in a mix - versus something like McRocklins, NAM, the STL Tone stuff all are EQ'd GREAT.
"...this is a UA-cam video..." sure, but its also a commercial for Barefaced - without being labeled as such.. The fact that he is also promoting himself in it made me laugh... an Ad inside an Ad.
Everything he does for quite some time is a commercial.
Its ok to certain extent, but if the vibe of the "video" exclusively the commercial... i have to ask miself the next time if i want to experience a commercial with Rabea in it, instead of watching a Rabea clip with Ads.
He claims to just do it for some sort of tryout or experience. Maybe he's such a Pro that everything he does turns to Pro, even the "vibe". Maybe thats the reason it haven't watched him in while.
It's ok to make a living out of commercials on any Platform. But if the difference between a promoting musician and a musical promoter is blured, without disclaimers, i staart to doubt on words, intensions and of course your opinions in any clip at any time.
Please label your stuff as an Add.
isnt that a FRLR cab tho? as per the writing on the back?
same thing. Linear response is the same as flat.
@paulmapp8306 the back says full range live response.
Now, to me this is the equivalent of snake oil. FRFR cabs, they have speakers in them. There are many FRFR cabs available, they don't all use the same speaker. As you said, a speaker adds its own 'personality' to the tone, as does the build/structure of the cab itself... Putting a modelling amp through one FRFR will sound different to another FRFR with a different speaker in it. Yes?
Yah I dunno - maybe line a little PA speaker? Like it’s full range flat response so it should be sort of uncoloured.
Okay first of all, it's not full range flat response, you say it as fur fur and make those faces kids do these days
What !!! How about CLEAN with no effects...This is how a guitarist rates a cabinet ??? TONE...tone...tone. Try that.
Go watch someone else then instead of complaining here? Try that.
Maybe if you’re 60+ years old, most people play more high gain stuff now and want to see the cab handle higher gains and lower tunins
I just jamming dude, trying it with guitar sounds I like. Clean tones dry don’t really do it for me when it comes to digital stuff
Just play the damn thing! Good grief...