FUZZ FIGHT! Plasma Vs. Behringer
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Ryan follows up on a comment that the $300 Plasma Pedal by Game Changer Audio sounds like a $30 pedal by playing it against the $25 Behringer Super Fuzz, a plastic boxed Boss FZ-2 clone. Stay tuned as he plays out through the DOD Carcosa just for fun.
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I dig how the plasma accentuates the small things like your fingers simply sliding on the strings and picking. Very lofi grimy goodness.
thom dushane YES! This, so much. And I think so many are lost on that. Just listen to the playing dynamics, so clear and responsive on the Plasma, and just so-so on the Behringer. Yeah, they’re both fuzzes...and that’s about all they have in common.
@@chriscook5116 Exactly, the sound of the plasma pedal is so distinct I almost feel it's worth the money. Hell, if I had more of it, it definitely would be.
I just played the Plasma today when I dropped off my Flying V for a setup. It was cool on guitar, but I really think it shines on bass. I played a USA Fender Jazz bass into the Plasma into an Egnater Tweaker guitar combo. Absolutely massive sounding. It's hard to describe. It was like being enveloped in a three dimensional wave of fuzz/distortion.
Yep the DOD Carcosa is a versatile monster, that also does an awesome aggressive low gain overdrive as well. Glad to see you still love it Ryan. It is never leaving my board.
The super fuzz sounds like Electric Wizard 🤘🤘🤘
It's a clone of the pedal Electric Wizard uses to get their sound.
ViviSectia yeah I know the fz2. Boss needs to waza that shit ASAP haha
@@daveydoom5479 fuzzlord effects fu-2, you're welcome.
That Plasma pedal, more I hear it, more I like it. It got something different in its sound compared to other fuzz pedals.
Guess I'm in the minority but i actually really like the plasma pedal. Not gonna drop the dough on it though
I did, i was amongst the super early bird buyers and for 129€ its really worth it!
yes i think the plasma is way better
I think we can agree that is sounds good. However, does it sound $300 good? That's the tough pill to swallow. If it were half that price, a lot of people would be all over that. Instead, we are happy enough to spend $30 on an FZ-2 clone. Also, I'd be worried about that plasma tube being fragile, and breaking if the pedalboard gets too jostled in transit or accidentally nudged while playing.
Behringer make surprisingly good pedals
I agree, I have the hellbabe wah and one of their overdrives.
As long as they're on; when off they completely suck the tone of your guitar.
They're great platforms for modding. Changing values, switching for better components, adding stuff like true bypass, etc.
Behringer clones surprisingly good pedals.
The Behringer pedals can't be beat for the price. The only downside is the cheap plastic housing, which isn't very sturdy. However, if you don't treat them like a roughneck, they'll serve you well. I also like the Danelectro FAB pedals, which are also cheap and plastic, but do the job.
noise coming between chord changes are superb from plasma
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@@manfredvonrichthofen8293 aynen
That sound you’re talking about is honestly the noise every type of fuzz tries to achieve lol.
Honestly, when I first looked at the Plasma Pedal as a fuzz pedal, I thought it sounded horrible - not like a fuzz at all.
But when I thought about it from a non-labelled perspective, it is actually quite a unique distortion. It really drives the idea of „broken“ guitar sound directly into a concrete wall at 200km/h.
And for that I think it‘s absolutely amazing.
I absolutely love the gated, scratchy, broken plasma. I love to hate on the cost of gear like the next guy, but I have to give credit where credit is due.
I've not tried it but I can imagine it sound horrible in a mix. Stuff that messy-sounding just isn't audible in a mix without serious work, typically. And you shouldn't really have to do that.
Charles Carr You just need to put it loud enough.
I played a couple times live with one and it has the same issue as every distortion: without a boost it sounds more silent if used at union vol. However, the filter section helps a bit.
But yeah, it‘s not that different to other distortions in that regard.
@@CLaw-tb5gg I know four year strong used it on they're new record from this year, that albums guitars sound so good, too so idk
*I have to give credit card where credit card is due ;- )
Stop the cap brother EC squeezy
The Behringer is just great!
Sf300 is Electric Wizard in a box, definitely
yeah sabbath was definitely my first thought when he clicked it on.
Needed to hear some Touch me I'm sick when playing through the super fuzz
i played that riff with my fz-2 yesterday! you need a big muff too for the full effect tho
a fun option for broken fuzz sound is the ibanez fz7
That plasma is like certain tones from zvex fuzzfactory
The Super Fuzz sounds better..
Electric Wizard fuzz all the way..
Getting it now..
On that Berenger you can put the switch between mode 1 and 2 and it sounds way better than either one. It doesn't have the mid boost or the scoop. It kind of just sounds nice and even.
I'ma probably tape mine.
$300 is steep, but damn, I really prefer the plasma--edit: carcosa snuck it's way into my heart
Christ Wilson the carcosa is a beast!
I use the hell out of my carcosa. Super cool pedal.
Less than 200€ right now BF sells
Update-carcosa is on my board, and it's a keeper.
Carcosa with a decent boost, high fives all round!
Everyone here is talking how expensive the plasma is. When I was in high school all I wanted was a zvex wholly mammoth. An almost $400 pedal.I got my first real job and I bought it after 6 months of saving up. 8 years later I still own it and still use it. Just saying
Kevin Chavez I try not to make commentary on prices too often because people have different budgets and different kinds of manufacturing. But the plasma has a unique custom case design and actually has a pretty unique sound. If someone really wants that sound this is where they can get it. And it looks freaking cool. It’s not like there aren’t a sea of affordable fuzzes out there too.
It’s still expensive ... people don’t like expensive
some people don't like cheap. personally, i like it all.
Built that pedal for a bass player friend for $20 worth of parts... I charged him 40 lol
You make a good point about pricing, it's different for every one. When I find a pedal that I must, I justsearch very hard for the best used price. This process has served me well.
That static electricity sound from the Plasma is to die for. That would sound just great on a recording.
My hands down favorite fuzz(and the single greatest guitar pedal ever made) is the 80s big muff pi. The behringer copies the muff syle fuzz so well one could use it instead of figiting with settings onstage.i used it like that for quite a while. Currently i use one to mimic Original "super fuzz" pedals. Dime the treble, cut all the bass set the gain to just under 9 o'clock, fuzz 1. Volume is between you and your compresion circuits but i leave mine at 9 o'clock so it doesnt saturate to far. Its perfect for that brassy, trombone like, fuzz of the mid 60s. The boost is good to.its very precise, more so than my mxr micro amp. You can dial it it to your amp and get just the beginings of breaking up.add any distortion or a second booster before it and you get a creammy, thick ear popping tone.Im working on a rehouse project but surface mount jacks are a bitch.ive only ever seen a fz2 but if its half as good as this but in a boss case theyd have trouble selling the waza version until this pedal vanishes.
I like to say Muffs & Boost Fuzz are made for an all TUBE AMP !
It’s an exact clone of the Univox super fuzz! Only one coast $1000 and the other $30 super fuzz is amazing and behringer makes a lot of people look like fools
I agree Behringer makes some good shit for very cheap, but I'd never put one on my board. They arent really built to withstand heavy gigging.
@@josephhamer9680
Dude I've asked people to send me photos of broken Behringer pedals and so far, nada.
It's plastic but it's tough.
Can be rehouse in a metal encasing
@@josephhamer9680 How do you know that "They arent really built to withstand heavy gigging" if you've never had one before, lol....
Listening via my iPad and the plasma kills it. There’s no comparison here and that’s through an iPad! I can imagine how good it would sound through my system.
I like the broken sound of the Plasma too, the Carcosa is the winner though no doubt. Bought a few models from the DOD pedal line and have yet to be disappointed, so much bang for the buck.
I own a Super fuzz berhinger and an electro- harmonix double muff. The super fuzz costs 27 euros and gives me plain satisfaction. The double- muff isn't enough fuzzy, and there is too much hum and noise to combine the 2 muff on high level.
The plasma pedal seems cool but is x10 more expensive than the super fuzz.
Sf 300 it is an octa fuzz . It is not filtering it is the octaver.Both settings have octave in them. But push it with an tube screamer.
Shit never realised my beloved hyper fuzz I've had since I was a teen was worth so much?
now I'm gunna have t take my boots off to stomp on it!
They both sound great, but I honestly dig the sound of the SF300 more. Plasma is a bit crazier, and I could honestly see using it in a metal setting. I bet it would sound decent through my bass amp. Definitely gonna pick one up at that price.
Sweet. For 25 bucks that rocks! Get that and the Behringer octave and play all the Jack white tunes you want.
Nick Spitzley I have both XD, the octaves isn’t as good as the fuzz though
You dont really need an octave. It has an octave up effect when you get above the 12th fret.
The Behringer octave has terrible tracking. Sounds good, and works on stuff like ”icky thump”, but its terrible for anything from cleans to fuzz. The tone needs to be beoynd fuzz so you dont hear the tracking time.
I agree about the Fuzz, for octave stuff without Fuzz I'd use a Mooer Tender Octaver. An *almost* exact POG2 clone. The Mk.1 was an exact clone. Mooer got sued lol. Mk.2 is slightly different but still awesome.
When a comparison between two pedals with a more than tenfold price difference comes down to a question of taste...we have a winner imho.
Also, it's so much more about the pedal in a band context (which would be very hard to do for a test video of course, I understand that...too many variables). I've never listened to Dopethrone thinking "aw man, I wish they had used a boutique pedal. The fuzz sound is lacking". And if anyone can hear the difference between the Boss and Behringer, they have much better ears than me.
PS: The Behringer is a plastic nightmare though so I'm definitely rehousing mine.
I know bugger all about pedals but the SF300 pleases my ears more. But at the end of the day it is down to personal preference and the sounds you desire. If that sound is worth $300 then it's an awesome buy.
I wish I had access to pedals in 1965 when I got my 1st rig. Silvertone 1484 amp. Silvertone Silhouette guitar, finally I found a used Kent Distorter. 15.00 USD from a bass player.
The plasma pedal is like a high definition TV but on your ears.
I remember watching a video from one of the guitar cons and the plasma sounded so much clearer and it was more of a distortion.
I have an FZ-2 that’s insane on bass. I love it so much I’m selling my Dark Glass distortion to make room on my board.
The Berhinger fuzz is an exactly clone of a boss hyper fuzz. The only difference is that it costs US$ 250 less......
Where are they selling Hyper Fuzz for $275?
Bro do you even math?
Dude thinks that $ is the only cost.
@@KentBuchla Nope. I have the Fz2, which I was able to buy for under $200. Like you, I snubbed the behringer (yeah, I know their story of patent theft and so on....), but, frankly, couldn't hear the difference. The construction is another ball game - the behringer is encased in cheap, plastic box - flimsy to the bitter end. The boss is built like a tank - but, again, the sound is the same.
@@jonathanwapner6262 iirc, they don't make the FZ-2 Hyper Fuzz anymore so they can be expensive on Reverb, just like a HM-2 Heavy Metal, especially a Japanese made one (opposed to a Taiwan model.)
you can get inbetween the fuzz 1 and fuzz 2 on the SF300 if you jiggle the switch just right, it's v fun
Dude - Every time you plug in to demo any Fuzz pedal you instantly crank the gain and rarely run it through the tone settings. Impossible for us to get a gauge on the relative settings. You really ought just stack two or three max the gain - turn on a good supressor and blow up the room.
Seriously though, if you're gonna demo a pedal - demo the pedal first, then go off on your Fuzzalicious Journey to the Planet 'Fuzz'. (there is a planet fuzz - it drifts in the third Saturnic ring, usually hiding behind the Saturn moon of Knobos (moon of shame)) , named for it's legend of constantly diming every control on every planet's guitar pedal. Seriously Dude or at least semi- Seriously dude.
Super cereal.
That Plasma tone is as fuzzy as late-60s-era beavers. Props for resisting the urge to play Now I Wanna Be Your Dog by the Stooges. But for $25 bucks the Behringer is a steal. Carcosa me gusta.
Plasma Pedal feels like a Fuzz Factory to me with the way it degrades in the sustain (cheaper Fuzz Factory/octave fuzz clones like this do exist). It also has a similar dial configuration to the fuzz factory but most of all the gated crackly bits are something the fuzz factory and derivatives can be set up to produce
How about a cheap fuzz shootout: SF300 vs the Danelectro Fab D7? I'd take a drink of that magic potion.
Electric Wizard 🤘🏾
Turn the treble and bass down on the sf300. I love that pedal. I run it through a super reverb. Jack White tones all day long.
The Super Fuzz sounds like a blast to play, but you're right, the Plasma seems better thought out for band settings. Too expensive for my budget, but I'll be damned if this isn't one of the best gated fuzz sounds I ever heard.
If my Fuzzhugger Algal Bloom didn't serve me so well, I would get a Carcosa without hesitating, though.
Heyman Heyguys there are so many great fuzzes out there
Lets admit it guys, we buy pedals cause they look cool. 😂
the plasma does it's own thing, if all you want is a fuzz that Behringer pedal sounds pretty damn good for the price and is very versatile.
Novelty vs. Budget, Who won? who's next? YOU DECIDE! EEEEEEEPIC FUZZ BATTLES OF HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!
Behringer is great value for money, perfect for a starting off musician or for anyone wanting to save money. But that Plasma pedal is insanely good, there's better clarity that cuts through while still offering that broken sound. Also you've got to love the built in noise gate!
Plasma sounds exactly like the $80 Germanium OD by Electro Harmonix. they both use voltage clipping as the primary source of their character
Back after 2 years and that Plasma still sounds like garbage (in a bad way). Awful pedal IMO
the Plasma pedal sounds to processed and the Superfuzz on setting 1, set on low fuzz and slightly higher level achieves a way more natural fuzz sound with octave chime on any fret...And if you use it with your guitar volume knob will get you a colorful palette that rivals any fuzz pedal out there...and if you use a Rawlings Dumble pedal with the same settings in front of it you get a broken overdrive as sweet as moms apple pie...The Superfuzz is the Van Gogh of fuzz pedals if used it the right way....
Plasma has more mids and high end, more pronounced tone for sure. Sf300 is close, but muffled.
That last pedal you used sounds like a overdrive
should get your hands on the nine of swords twin earth fuzz
I got the Plasma Coil a week ago. Love the sound, but now it’s malfunctioning. Initiating a return and will likely get something else.
if you try a simple bbe sonic stomp after the SF300 it really takes the blanket sound away. should try that ! works great for me
If you didn't know It costed 30 bucks you would say it's worth 100 $. Period.
Try the sf300 in the 1.5 position (switch halfway between 1 and 2). It's a pretty rad sound.
SF 300 is a very good fuzz, versatile for a few dollars. I don't regret my choice.
That lightning bolt is cool as fuck but on a budget give me the Behringer any day! I happen to love Behringer stomp boxes & most of their stuff is fucking awesome for the price!! It really is.
I'm sorry the 300.00 dollar pedal sounds like you have a broken power cable that sounds like trash to me ,Super Fuzz all the way.
Can't help but think of Knuckledragger by Devil To Pay, when hearing some fuzz.
Honestly Ive never really liked my SF300. I thought I was gonna enjoy it, but it feels so scooped out (which i suppose is partly the point haha). And maybe a bit too harsh at the points where I enjoy the tone a bit better.
Use Fuzz 1on the Behringer. More bite, more mids, not scooped!! You'll be surprised!!! ;)
That plasma has the nastiest, and I mean in a non musical way, sound I have ever heard out of 53 years of pedals. It is one thing to have it sound like your speakers are torn, it is another to think it sound awesome.
Properly emulating the sound of broken cheap components on the verge of failure costs a lot of money...
The Plasma is cool! But 300 for a fuzz pedal is kind of pushing it? Not even fz-2’s go for THAT much. The Behringer is actually really cool as well! Awesome video.
Pizza time
Denkgod 227 yes plz!
I think the Fz2 need a fairly bright setup. Like a Danelectro or a strat/tele with 50's style pickups into an amp with fairly small speakers to sound the best. Nothing's wrong with the plasma though.
I thought the fuzz 1 setting on the behringer was closer sounding to the Plasma than the fuzz 2 setting. The fuzz 1 setting sounded pretty good on the behringer, although not exactly like the plasma. Can you dial back the fuzz sound on the behringer? Doesn't really seam like you can do that on the Plasma.
Plasma sounds killer! I'm a Fuzz nut and generally find, you get what you pay for but for the money the Behringer is OK.
The Plasma has the cool graphics display its awesome. Love it!
Plasma sound cooler in my opinion but bwhringwr sounds fantastic
Not super sold on either pedals... there's just something that sounds totally off with both. Kinda seems like they're both orbiting around the classic velcro sound, but failing to keep the fullness from the pup. I feel like both of these pedals are duds. Great review, not all reviews will result in produce praise. Thanks
I followed your discussion on the first Plasma-Video. The idea to give some alternatives is not bad, but the Plasma is a one of a kind Pedal. In some Namm videos the guys of gamechanger talked about how this thing works - and its not diode-clipping and not overdriving of amplifierparts(Transistors, op-amps,etc). What comes out of this pedal is the sound that is generated by the "lightings" in the tube - i would compare it to these guys which play their guitar thru a teslacoil(sounds exactly the same for me).
Maybe you can get a standard fuzzpedal with a similiar sound - but a clone for 30 quid? i dont think so. In the end its a shiny novelty thing - like the candledriven tremolo/vibrato-"pedal" by zvex.
The super fuzz is a direct copy of the fz2. side by side, you can not tell the difference.
What if you combine Metal zone plus Plasma pedal?
I need that plasma.........NEED...........
They're both on my lottery list.
Yes, even the $30 one. I'm cheap and already have a Swollen Pickle...
Fredric Effects Super Unpleasant Companion is the way to go
Sigh, that Plasma does sound pretty good. But, for $25, the Berry is sludgy murder. Ive been trying to gather an army of cheap fuzz boxes and picked up an SF and have been very happy with it. I like all fuzz tones, but ya, that busted, scorched earth brimstone crackle is my favorite fuzz tone. Fuzz can be velvet or a wire brush, it's the most visceral of all distortions. God bless da Fuzz. Thanks for your video.
The Plasma pedal must sound amazing doing panned rhythm.
I am more comfortable with the sounds of the SF300 but the Carcosa definitely grabs my attention, much more than the Plasma.
I love the SF300, I don't hear the blanket effect you mention. Sounds pretty bright to me!
The plasma Pedal ist the worst sounding Distortion I have ever heard! But this Behringer Fuzz Pedal is phantastic! It sounds like a Big fat drunken bee lurching down to the ground like a Kamikaze fighter! but I love it🤣👍👍👍👍👍
I loved the FZ-2, I think the Behringer does great, it's a bit more of the buzzy sound, screams more 60's, but the Plasma seems more modern and experimental overall. Honestly, my favorite is the goofey 5 knob multivoltage beast I built myself.
This inst fair on the plasma, that $35 pedal is a clone of one of the coolest fuzz pedals ever!
I think I'll still get a Conquistador for half the price. Already have a Swollen Pickle and love it so yeah I'll have 2 fuzzes love for the price of this one...
It was not your imagination about the FZ clone. The issue with the FZ-2 is/was most of the settings only work when you demo it/play solo. It's mostly useless in a band setting. When your mids go (and a good chunk of your highs go as well), the guitar disappears into the rest of the band. Might as well be the FZ-2 Mute Pedal, at least at rock drummer band volume levels. I've not played the Plasma Pedal but it seems like it might be cutting enough to be practical. And that crazy staticy envelope sounds pretty fun!
A boost in front of the SF300 removes much of the blanket effect. TC Spark Mini works a treat.
SF300 really is a Fuzz bargain and a great intro for people just getting into the greatest species of pedal. Fuzz On...
The Governor in Exile Got mine on sale for $240.00..... Love it!
Did you play with that amp on the edge of breakup to slightly dirty ? Fuzzes sound horrible and shrill on an clean signal
Also surf rock is definitely your genre! That quick picking right hand technique is fantastic
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I love the Super Fuzz but they are EXTREMELY prone to breaking. I’ve ordered 3 and 2 of them arrived completely dysfunctional and the other worked for less than a month
Have you ever tried to turn down the bass knob on the SF300 to get more clarity? Works for me
That's exactly what I was thinking. He kept turning up the treble to get more clarity but hardly ever touched the bass knob. Actually, when he did adjust the bass he turned it UP! He did turn it down after that, but just back to where it was pretty much the whole time. Never turned it down lower than that kinda 2 o'clock position.
All That being said, I actually kinda like that whole "blanket of the amp" sound. That's a type of sound I've always thought good, versatile fuzz pedals were good at; that low, plodding "doom/stoner metal" sound. I saw Electric Wizard mentioned a couple times. Also kinda reminds me of bands like High on Fire, Kyuss, Sleep, Red Fang, The Melvins, etc. All bands I love. And I have watched a lot of vids on this pedal the past few days and have seen others dial in that clearer, more high end sound. And then there's that "secret setting" when ya slip it between the Fuzz 1 and Fuzz 2 settings.
Don't get me wrong, that plasma pedal was awesome, and that lightning fuse effect on it was rad as fuck! If I ever find one at a time and place where I can afford it, then I'll definitely pick one up. But I've got enough dough to buy 4 or 5 of those Super Fuzz pedals in my wallet right here and now. So was gonna check the local guitar shop tomorrow, but if they don't have any then I'm ordering one online (hell, maybe even 2 of them) before they stop making them and the price shoots up too much.
For me, the plasma is worth more than 10 times than the sf300. Much unique and awesome, has its own style like the big muff also has his style. The sf300 just sounds like a bad Zoom digital distortion
good sound, what pickups are in that SG?
6:09 his face says it
the super fuzz in the fuzz 1 setting is far better
Yeah buy the $30 one. The talent is in your fingers.
The plasma sucks it's a pedal that looks cool but sucks and it's too damn expensive it ain't worth a crap a friend of mine had one he paid $350 for it the only thing that's cool about it is just the look of it that's it it's not worth buying trust me
If boss makes the Waza of the FZ 2 it will be good for gear junkies not for the hoarders. I'll stick with the clone. But your comparison of the Plasma against the Behringer is like comparing a Dano fab delay to an Eventide Time Factor , it not the same animal. It doesn't mean the danelectro is terrible, it just not the same. The behringer fuzz stacks up well and if not almost identical to the boss from what I can hear . Your plasma sounded great . the FZ-2 cost 8 to 10× more than the behringer . $24 compared to $260