Is the Behringer SF300 a "Real Super Fuzz?" - Budget Vs. Boutique - Comparisons to the JHS Supreme
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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This is a lot of effort just to reply to a comment on my last afford-a-board video, but it's totally worth it because it gave me an opportunity to compare two versions of a classic fuzz that I've been curious about for a long time. HUGE THANKS TO SWEETWATER for making this video possible by providing the JHS Supreme.
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Ryan's new church board... 2x Super Fuzz & Avalanche Run delay 😂. Sunday services are gonna be lit!
I don’t care what anyone says, doom metal is the Lord’s music.
that set up sounds very Rammstein
This is a Classic Comment! 😂🤣👍🏻
Josh, the man himself, already blessed the behringer by saying it was sonically identical to the boss and the original fuzz in his what's up with behringer video
And he revealed he helped make it Sweetwater's biggest selling pedal ever, according to a recent video he did for them.
Got one myself after that video, great pedal considering it cost me 22€.
@@andresilvasophisma Me too. I've just been recording with it. It's great.
Got one when they were $22. Great find
14.69 $ usd up here in Canada !!!! :P horns up !
Bought the Behringer last year for $19.99 on a Sweatwater special deal. I rehoused it in an aluminum enclosure, and I mean completely desoldered the switches, pots, led, jacks... and brought everything "off board". I turned the cheap slider switch into 3 indepenent mini toggle switches, so you can actually select any or all of the modes all at once (fuzz 1, fuzz 2, and Boost). It now is such a cool looking, mega fuzz monster... and competely road worthy. But... seriously what a total PITA of a project! I have been making and modding guitars and pedals for over 20 years, so I know what I am doing, but wow, I am not doing that again! haha. Glad I did it... but just the once!
Two Princetons...twice! Also nice to see their stinger on its own and not shared with Tunr Time.
Please do a video exploring more of the Avalanche Run. I think there are some sounds on there (especially using an expression pedal) that you would have a lot of fun with. Also, in tails mode it can act as a microlooper that degrades like tape and gets really lo-fi. I love mine.
ill spend some time with it!
Dang, not only do they sound fantastic together: this is the best playing I've heard from you!
Your videos are proof positive that Fender amps can be used for metal (not that we didn't know already)
I love fuzz pedals and have way more of them than I could ever use. Out of my favorite budget ones, I love the Behringer Fuzz...but have you ever tried a Biyang Baby Boom Fuzz Star? It is amazing!!!! Would love to see you demo one and hear your thoughts on it. Love your videos, keep up the good work!
Just watched JHS' fuzz video yesterday, from several months ago; highly recommend.
@32:00 WHOOOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOO WHOOP!
Baritone time! I love this bit, especially with fuzz . ***THANK YOOOOO***
Just a note that Squier FSR paranormal baritone cabronita telecaster electric guitar in oxblood is not a Sweetwater exclusive. I live in the UK (so Sweetwater is no use to me) and Andertons in the UK has the same model. SO I could buy one ... if I could really justify owning a 6th Baritone guitar 🤭 ( only use 5 tunings )
@48:10 Stereo fuzz on baritone is WAY HUGE and is what I do in my band so this video really felt like home. It doesn't seem to get old at all. I don't have a life where I get paid to play around with guitars and pedals all day so you can envy me for a few seconds before we go back to the normal thing of it being the other way round.
@45:00 I think I'd actually buy this track.
YAY BARITONE!
Oh interesting, i thought it was an exclusive color
Man...now i wish I would've gotten into Behringer pedals when i picked up guitar as a teenager. Instead of starting off with a Danelectro Fab Distortion and not liking it. Gonna be looking into that super fuzz!
You aren't comparing either to a real Univox Super Fuzz. I owned one many years ago and the tone switch made the guitar sound like breaking glass. Your Behringer is almost always set up a bit quieter than the JHS. A Univox only had two settings and no tone controls. It was much sharper and had more high treble than you are set up with either pedal. I like them both, but the JHS costs about 6 times what the Behringer and doesn't sound twice as good. Not exactly affordaboard material. Sorry, but my money is on the low status Behringer here.
Give me a real one and I'll refilm it
@@60CycleHumcast I wish! Mine died in 1982 and I've never forgotten it. I've been looking for a good clone and your demo made my choice for me. An original had just a 2 position switch, one was regular fuzz, the other was pure insanity that sounded like nothing else I've ever heard. You really need to decide to use that sound, use it intentionally. Great chaos.
I’ll build you one that costs more than the JHS one and can cause the apocalypse
It's almost comical, the first time you hit the setting switch on the original Superfuzz circuit between the midrangey setting and ultra scooped. I've built one myself. Probably sounds near identical to a real one. I happened to even have the transistors Univox liked to use back then, 2sc828, though mine may have been slightly higher gain (likely not much of an audible difference). The scooped setting is insanity, no doubt. The switch simply skips the voltage divider, which brings up the volume before the EQ circuit scoops it like crazy, so the settings are somewhat the same volume, otherwise the midrange setting would be something like twice as loud as the scooped setting.
I have 100 watt Behringer Blue Devil modeling amp, bought for $99 brand new shipped, that is the best $99 I ever spent.
I remember when around 2010 I went to the biggest guitar shop in PL, I asked about SF300, they checked in the system they have it somewhere... 15min later I was diving head first into a insanely big box of Behringer effects, like a particularly high inflatable pool really, in search of SF300 along one of the workers. He was repeatedly asking if it has to be SF300, and I said it has to :P I've had several Behringers since, and a lot of other effects since, both budget and pricey ones, and I say SF300 along VD400 Vintage Delay (analog on BBD chips!) are 2 essential Behringers everyone should have!
Ryan this may be one of the sonically dirtiest vids to date lol, very sludgy and doom all through but the end sir well done. You've found your doom rig 3 pedals 😁 Great video sir. Plus there's room for reverb at the back too. 😉
One of the first fuzz pedals I tried was a supreme and I was in love with it until I flipped it over and saw the price. I’ve tried the big muff hated them and now I’m sitting here waiting for my super fuzz to be delivered
That is the single most crushing stoner-doom tone I have ever heard in my life.
For a variation on these, check out the Friedrich Effects Unpleasant Companion and its variants. You also get to hear some awesome Jesus & Mary Chain tones, which is what I like--anything from the alienating squeal of "Upside Down" to the loathing assault of "Something I Can't Have." Hearing loss has never been so much fun!
In my neck of the woods here in Canada you just compared a $30 pedal to a $230 pedal. I'll go with the Behringer.
Wish they offered that tele body style as a regular guitar, and left handed.
41:33 Isn't the sustained growl of fuzz so incredibly satisfying? Very good demo
One of your best thanks for the between surf and psychedelic🏄🏻♂️🤪🌼🚀 A bit doomy though
Your comparison videos are not long enough I love these videos by the way secondly Josh talked me into buying one of those Behringer superfuzzes the first setting is really cool with the octave in it the second setting seems to be too compressed to me and I used the booster on Debbie's flute part for last song in our new album Jamway Express. , another question I know that they cost an arm and a leg but have you done a video or shoot out yet with those plasma Tesla sort of fuzz distortion pedals I think it's Game Changer audio where your signal is literally turned into a lightning bolt?
Yep! I have a few videos with the plasma pedal.
@@60CycleHumcast Links please.
That is all nice and fine, but where is the drip in those fuzzes?
Waiting for the drippy fuzz now …🤔😎🍺🍺
You need a Fuzzrite for Blues' Theme !
they are on sale for $14 at Sweetwater.
I love that guitar and it has a Mustang vibrato!
The behringer is a clone of the boss FZ-2 which borrows a bit of its circuit (mostly the octave fuzz part) from the super fuzz. The high and low controls are a similar circuit to the boss GE-7 graphic EQ actually, but just two bands instead of 7.
The SF300 is a fantastic fuzz pedal and I have a late 70s big muff that I use to boost the SF and its killer sounding and add a tube screamer into the mix and you get the best uk punk sound ever...
The Behringer definitely sounds better with the treble clocked to 11. To my ears it absolutely closes the gap. The jhs still sounds better overall, definitely has the better default tone, but I really don't see a real big difference with treble all the way up.
I actually like the Behringer better, i might be biased since i own it. I also own a JPTR Warlow and i like it better than that too.
Because of this video I already bought the Behringer to use it for bass intros. It sounds very well in combination with a Cry Baby. And I am considering buying the Avalanche Run for even greater epicness.
try the 5 position! its awesome! 2+boost setting
How do you get that jagstang to stay in tune with the tremolo?
it just stays in tune, its been incredibly stable.
@@60CycleHumcast how many springs you got on the back?
The vibrato on the Jagstang uses a pair of larger springs that are under the plate. There's no rear access. It's a pretty different design from a Strat trem. - steve
fuzzy wuzzy was a pedal. fuzzy wuzzy played rock and metal. now that was an awsome show.
I have to get that JHS now. Damn
Awesome!
Cool Jagstang
"cork sniffery" funny term..
Best circuts for stoner doom. No doubts!
dude, fuzz tends to react best with single coils.... just for whenever
Davie Allan fuzzy goodness…
The JHS is louder. And as we know, louder is more good.
What's up everyone! As anyone ever modded the super fuzz, with a switch to get that secret setting?
If you fiddle with the behringer one's switch its not hard to achieve and with the price you can buy two and just use some tape to keep the secret setting engaged. But I am surprised that none of the boutique builders make one, unless there is one out there I'm not aware of.
@@TheDavidCarfagno That would be the easiest way to do it in general. Unless you wanted to change settings, then you would have to remove the tape.
Yes, it's surprising that none of the other companies are making a pedal with just the four settings like that.
@@guitarfreak521 I've yet to do a Behringer mod. There's plenty of room under the hood if you don't use a battery. The Vintage Delay has useful mod to give you access to longer delay times. You don't get a wider range, you just shift the range, ie you loose the slap back and short settings. Basically there's a trim pot under the delay time. You could very easily add a switch to short it to the longer delay time ( turned fully clockwise ).
Ryan Dooms!
I think you needed to crank up more the level on the super fuzz
more danger
we've been fuzzin. with mr fuzztone. he's been fuzzin. he won't play a clean tone. mo no no. he won't play a clean tone.
The JHS sounds way better.
lol the plastic rocks
That sounds like the battle of the /gods with fire shooting from his fingertips . on the big fiery mountain of eruptions.
kind of dumb considering the Behringer Super Fuzz is meant to be a close-as-you-can-get clone to the FZ-2, not this pedal
right, but the FZ-2 is bosses clone of the Univox Super Fuzz.
@@60CycleHumcast huh didn’t know that, tbh I only bought my SF300 because I wanted to get that FZ-2 tone that’s on Electric Wizard’s album “Dopethrone”, love your channel tho, your way of presenting and playing has really grown on me since I started watching you as a teenager, please keep posting quality content
@@60CycleHumcast There's some tonal differences, but I think Josh himself sums it up in two ways.
He always refers to like for like being difficult as component values have such a wide tolerance.
He does an excellent comparison on his episode "What's The Deal With Behringer" he can't speak highly enough of the Behringer.
If I was a guitarist I'd buy a metal enclosure clone of the Super Fuzz. I'm not so the SF300 nails it. Whilst youre on the subject Ryan, I do spend far too much time on the toilet and elsewhere watching pedal porn, and have far too many opinions and far too much knowledge for a non guitarist. I do use them them for sound design though.
When I get home I'm going to try the secret setting on the switch between 1 and 2, whilst I'm at it I'm going to try to get a fourth setting, between 2 and boost. Keep up the great work Ryan.
Ryan turned into a doom metal channel
Doom Surf.
@@ultravirezdoom smurf.
DOOMSDAY in a pedal
I actually like the Behringer better, i might be biased since i own it. I also own a JPTR Warlow and i like it better than that too.
I was so blown away by this Behringer, I bought 5. I give them away as gifts. Best gift you can give another guitarist.
I’ll send you my address....Thanks man.
there are aftermarket metal enclosures you can buy, if you are willing to do a little bit of extra tinkering
@@-jank-willson Which ones? Someone needs to make aluminum castings of the Behringer plastic clamshell that they use for their enclosures.
@@malcolmbliss777 I forget the brand, but they are on Amazon I believe. I think they were around 15-25$
hook it up cuz
these pedals are perfect for inventing the whole new genre of Doom Surf!
I think that "flatter" feeling on the Behringer is because of the way you have the treble and bass set at. You can dial your bump or scoop to your own personal taste. Cool video btw, always appreciate your energy!
One would argue the the Behringer is a little bit more behaved thus being more appropriate in a band setting. The Supreme is an identical clone of the Super Fuzz, it sounds like doom and the end of the world which is tricky to add a band mix.
One would. Two wouldn’t
Taming the beast is part of the charm of the super fuzz circuit
I’ll get a Behringer pedal to check out if I like an effect or not on the cheap. I don’t make a living playing guitar so I really don’t need $400 pedals like some of these can cost.
The Berhringer is surprisingly awesome IMO
The green vibrato pedal is amazing.
The JHS Supreme is about 170, I think. Not terrible
it's being blown now out on Sweetwater for $14!
@@eti313 Nice, you can’t really go wrong with a $14 pedal. If you don’t like it, you aren’t out a lot, and you can probably make someone’s day by giving it to them.
Pepers Pedals makes a really tricked out Hyperfuzz/SF300 based design that has the secret mode on a seperate setting, plus a ton of other improvements. It's called the Humongous Fuzz. might be worth looking into if you want the sounds of the Behringer with even more utility and a nicer build-quality.
The Behringer Super Fuzz is hands-down the biggest bang for the buck pedal I ever owned.
Oh man, the jag-stang looks so outrageous, I kinda have to love it. Really happy the Behringer fuzz gets the love it deserves.
Sneaky secret setting on the Behringer SF300, good shout Ryan letting people know about it. You can’t fault the Behringer SF300 for the low price of above £20 in the UK, I know it’s plastic and a lot of people will turn there noses up at it because of it, for that price it’s a decent sounding fuzz tone, and if you get one just take a bit of extra care with it and it’ll be ok.
JHS Supreme sound quality as with all JHS pedals.
I don't get that mentality, I was at a fair watching some local band a few years ago, who sounded and was playing really good, and I hear the guy behind me say "The guitarist isn't that good, look at his pedal board, it's mostly Behringer and cheap chinese clones"... There are people who judge peoples skill by what brand of pedals they use lol.
@@ogrish76 marketing hype suckers, world's full of them, they actually believe their vulnerability to marketing that drains their income makes them better than those with the wisdom to make their own decisions based on common sense. Brand based self esteem.
A 50 minute long video to compare a 25 dollar fuzz pedal to a 200 dollar fuzz pedal just to find out that both are killer. I love it. Also, I've been drooling over that oxblood baritone cabronita since I first saw it about 2 weeks ago.
This guy knows how to,chose guitars.
Idk... I love the way that Behringer sounds so much more and it's got so much more going on with tone options. That's just me tho.
I used to own the behringer clone and the hyper fuzz itself. I actually liked the behringer more for 2 reasons.1) Wider range for the highs. 2) secret mode 1.5 at 8:06 that sounds better in person.
Of course this comes out about 2 weeks after picking up an SF-300! I don’t have the JHS supreme, but I use my SF-300 to attempt late 60’s to very early 70’s tones from Pete Townshend. Another pedal I’m curious about is the Aion fx rift octave fuzz. It’s a univox super fuzz clone inspired by Pete Townshend of The Who!
I’m looking at picking up that kit to build! Seems so very sick!
@@zachary963 if you build one make a video of your experience and how it plays please !
Forget a band, just get EZ Drummer, load up some loops, and do some stereo fuzz baritone doom-surf noodling!
I find this comparison to be a bit strange, these are very different circuits, the Univox Superfuzz being the original circuit was an octave fuzz with 2 voicing types, 1 being the pedal's naturally produced voicing and the second a mid scooped voicing (both with octave up). the SF300 is a clone of the boss FZ2, the boss FZ2 was inspired by the univox but was given significant changes that made sound quite different and added a mode that took advantage of the circuit's input stage as a boost and also adding active EQ and employed opamps to create the fuzz gain.
Both pedals sound great, and they both do something the other can’t. The low gain scuzzy 2d sound of the behringer is really something, super aggressive. That ticks more boxes for me personally, but I love the supreme too and would say yes, it is the one I’d recommend to others who want to get into this style of fuzz.
No bad pedals here today. Not even nearly.
The good side of having no money is that I don't even need a shoot out. It's behringer for me always baybeee
Yes, Superfuzz Madness!! I've had my SF300 for years, love it, sounds killer on bass as well (nails the MCA gratitude tone). Mine sounds better than yours though, but I do have the first issue blue LED version ;)
Ryan, have you tried the Kmise fuzz? It's not too far removed from either of these, and I'm currently using it as my fuzz of choice on my affordaboard.
Mca?
13:34 - "This is what everyone's been waiting for!"
No, no we're waiting for the stereo baritone!
Its an amazing pedal for the price. Especially the 'Secret Mode'
Shhhhhhhhhh
Just for clarity which pedal has the secret mode? I own a SF300, and am quite happy with it, but a secret mode would be cool to check out.
@@Snarkyone1965 , slide the button until is stays between the modes, now you have a mix of the modes.
Hey dude I’m enjoying the content
I really liked the ‘ why i suk at guitar’ video and think you hit on things every guitar player needs to reflect on.
Your perspective if very refreshing, thank you.
Cheers 🎸🐸🤘
I use only fuzz for my dirty tones (because fuzz is fun) and out of my four fuzzes - JHS 3, JRR Ram Triangle Big Muff, MAS Effect Tiny Fuzz, Behringer Superfuzz - the Behringer is by far the heaviest and meanest. If I want to pretend to play metal, I use the Behringer.
ive played my fuzz. time after time. ive cranked the amp. but committed no crime. and fuzz mistakes. ive made a few. ive had my share of fuzz complaints. but ive come through. we are the fuzzers. my friends. and we'll keep on fuzzin. til the end. we are the fuzzers. we are the fuzzers. no time for clean tones. cause we are the fuzzers. of the world.
But, will it chug?
Whoops! Wrong channel😂
It chugged
Twenty minutes into a fifty minute video: "This video is a lot longer than it needs to be." NEVER! My love of octave fuzz on bass having been sparked by a Joyo Voodoo Fuzz, I was considering saving up to get a JHS Supreme. Now I think I'll just get a Behringer! Sorry, Mr. Scott! Maybe I'll save up for a Cheese Ball instead.
I got the joyo and behringer, hard to choose between the two for bass!
@@edgarmezavids I guess I'll have to stack one into the other... AT CHURCH!
@@Michael-fl9ge A place where older guys go to play music they aren't especially interested in but at least it's playing music in a band that doesn't involve loading up gear at 2 AM.
@@uvulapie I've started doing smaller afternoon gigs, with just a a couple of 10" midtown, instead of a four way pa, amp rack and control tower. Life is fun again, go with the ageing flow lol.
I want a Cheese Ball…
I have the behringer and can't decide if I want a true SF clone. I'm still on the fence, lol.
I need more baritone stereo fuzz in my life, what a massive sound!
Check out Jack Whites most recent album. Lots of stereo fuzz.
Watching Ryan, in the first minute of the video, transform from UA-cam's Surf Rock Guy into UA-cam's Doom Metal Guy.
I should get some behringers.
Blues Theme, very cool. I wonder how many listeners know of this song. ✌🏼
I do
Love the Arrows, love 60's / 70s biker movies!
I remember Davis Allan and the Arrows!!! Still have my Blues Theme single. Still a bitchin’ song.
I am a bit confused: based on a very good list of Behringer pedals, the SF300 is a clone of the BOSS FZ-2 Hyper Fuzz. Does this mean that the FZ-2 is also a clone of the Univox Super Fuzz? I though there is a lot of differences between the Univox and the BOSS pedals. It is a pity the FZ-2 was not available for comparison.
Yeah the FZ-2 is based on the Univox Super aiui
The most dangerous, splattery fuzz is the Idiot Box Effects "Dungeon Master"
Wonderful! I had to watch the whole 50mins; be it in 3 parts! My 2 pence?- The Supreme is darker with a slight top deck. The Behringer has more hi-mids and more compresssed. I'm going for the Behringer, because of the price bracket( I'm a regular muso FFS).
Was not expecting to click on a 60 Cycle Hum vid and be Marty McFly'd in the face with the heaviest guitar tone on earth.
Just get the behringer. For the price you can get 8 behringers compared to the other. I have 6 different behringer pedals and none of them are bad, in fact most are excellent!!!
The guyatone TZ2 is another superfuzz based pedal, two controls no options for tone adjustment. More of the scooped mids can of bees type of sound.
I had one, I don’t remember how it sounded.
Still have mine and, yep, that's the description - weirdly these are going for some coin now🤷🏾♂️
To my ear the JHS just sounds more three dimensional. Probably something to do with the mids, IDK. Wish you had spent more time with JHS mod engaged and mid-scoop disengaged. I yelled ffs at the tv for that. Fun video though :) Adding the avalanche run was a stroke of genius.
Holy crap that's pure bliss that mix between 2 pedals with the avalanche 🌟🌟
Apples and oranges, maybe not, more Granny Smith and Macintosh.
Both tasty and useful.
Excuse me, gotta flush…
I don’t have the attention span to watch this whole video, BUT I love the Behringer super fuzz. I hope somewhere in this video, he talks about setting 1.5. It’s by far my fave setting.
About 7:40 in
@@jeremymenson bless you, my son
sounds like electric wizard, some of my favourite tones ever
5 euro straight up saying the musiclily isnt a clone of the behringer
Always think the mod switches on the JHS should be on the right if you’re running it first in the chain. In an ideal world I’d love to be able to control those options at my feet, just for fun.
THAT is a REALLY good point👏
Very good point! Also 96 percent of the people are right handed and control their stomp boxes with their right hand.
@JHS Pedals I think you should see this thread
The JHS is better to my ears BUT not six times better (ie it costs six times the price of the Behringer) 😮
I got the Boss FZ5, it just doesn’t do what the OpAmp Muff seems to do
I agree they are both real 59 Cadillac's but the Behringer can't be because it comes in the orange not black. Both are a take on the real Shin-ei/Univox Super Fuzz and neither sound like it because it has a blue badge the logo is printed on , LOL. Without a blindfold on this test is beyond stupid. Add a real Super Fuzz into the mix too because both started by using its topography.
Oh wow, yeah I noticed that "bump" between modes 1 and 2 but didn't bridge the 2 until just now. Its definitely a nice 'accident', especially for bass players