This was fascinating. I think that you may not have gotten the guest you wanted but rather the guest you needed. My experience with seeing Kody Brown speaking on any topic is a lot of word salad and tangents.
I served in the Montana Billings Mission 17-19. I served in Stevensville (same stake that Pinesdale is in) and I heard about Jessop’s presentations to missionaries, wanted to go so bad but wasn’t able to. Glad I was finally able to hear the breakdown 😅. And I’m doing a research paper on Fundamentalist culture this semester so it is very timely! Thanks Rick for another great interview.
Interesting stuff Joe. You are my nephew. If I am not mistaken, your mother Sharon is my half-sister. I am currently working on my autobiography and just might be interested in appearing on Gospel Tangents.
Thank you so much for this video. It’s direct explanation for things that seem to get incredibly convoluted by the many different plogamist organizations that seem to try and smear any other plural marriage group.
Great interview, just stopping by for the Russian orthodox in Montana comment. ☦️ I am Russian orthodox and a big fan of Gospel tangents and lds history
every one under USA rule should be able to practice freely as they wish-religious beliefs ( civil rights act of 1963 also reenforced this, even for deval-worshiper ( peda and human rights limited, sameness way for Muslims/Jewish sacrifices ) that im not kean-on, yes Epstein belongs on trail/jailhouse for criminal behaviour but that doesn't/wouldn't give a pass for jailing/harasses his neighbours or the other sinigog-members ) and it gets my goat's how the orthodoxy-LDS/Jewish/native's-nation-religious have been treated in the last 90 year's/1880~forwards i hope it ends and no i belong to mainstream Christians-church and or secularism looked at Greek ( i do give positive point that im coming to think most of the bible and or torah was originally for BC greek reader's ) as a church to joining but so-far not/convincingly for me, i will say 21yo me/2009~ rejected changing ways to roman catholic church as they are keyless in my notifications ie pregnancy-pope around the 1500c nullify them as a option and Rome empire aka outsiders governmental leadership's noted christ and his 12 as living humans ect so Jewish of my forefathers is off the tables
No name. The "group" was a large extended family that would worship together, but each family was independent. No council. It split from the AUB I think because of something with Joe Thompson. This group split, then split again.
@@atphoenix2020 I'd love to get more details. Email me at gospel tangents at gmail dot com if you have anything more to share. I'm always interested in the different restoration groups.
On priesthood ban Please read Joseph Smith on history of the church vol 2 page 438 and Abraham 1:21-27 What are your guys (GT and Joe Jessop) thoughts?
And the history of events during 1950-1978 especially of the efforts of Hugh B. Brown. I don't see how anyone can believe the lifting of the ban on blacks was inspired.
I don't have the first book but with regards to Abraham, I think this blog post explains things well. mormonheretic.org/2011/04/11/using-scriptures-to-debunk-the-priesthood-ban/
@@levisphotographyandfilm to be fair the cursed might be albinos/whites/Europe's/Jewish-ashka as secularism said lacking-mellin come's 2 in the DNA recorded id be willing to lessons by UAB/flds ( Jeffry and or Epstein isn't helpful not a fan ) missionary's but i get hung on sin's of parents verse's ( and UOP/communism economics bit's, but smith's preaching that as well and is also found in Greek orthodoxy and or Russian's churches pre-marx ) and or orthodox/smaller churches aren't as well PR'd as mainstream sec's and or salt lake-leadership-LDS but i cannot back Nelson as he's lying about his wife's ( also was hung on this but bible in 50~AD greek and or outside of Mormonism solving this, im now pro polygamy ) and denounced his predecessor's ect governmental ane media organisation's did your memberships/501C dirty and or i liked to outside of the 2006~ Texas temple better than most of the current/2022~ modern themed-mainstream-LDS temple's in the planing stages
Christine and Joe would be cousins because they share a grandfather (Rulon Allred). David Woolley is a descendant of the polygamist Woolley though I'm not sure what the relation is or if he grew up in a polygamist family, but his sisters are polygamists and live in a polygamist colony in Mexico. Christine recently posted about how her and David actually attended the same family wedding when they were younger but didn't officially meet each other until they started dating a few years ago. Small world lol
Just a very minor correction, from someone here who is still an AUB member. We actually DO believe there is still Priesthood in the Church. Just not a lot of it. We believe there will ALWAYS be Priesthood in the Church at some level or another.
@@GospelTangents I highly doubt you'll find anyone willing to talk on a public forum like this :) I've spoken a couple times, but only on smaller podcasts and at some college classes on alternative religions. I'm not a representative of the average AUB member, as I believe in heretical things like evolution. I'm a lowly laymember just trying to make it through life in a very difficult lifestyle lol
@@joshuathompson1357 I'm finding that true. I'll take a "lowly"member. I try to be fair and let people define themselves, rather than let others define them. I appreciate your comments.
@@GospelTangents I'm down to talk :) Just as long as it's well established that I'm not a good representative of the AUB at large. When I speak, it's usually my personal experiences in living polygamy and cultural experiences growing up in it. I'm very much an outsider, but still attend meetings regularly and try to stay involved as much as I can.
The 1886 John Taylor revelation says nothing about setting up any organization. We have 10 Taylor revelations and the 1886 one was the last one. Read those revelations here: 2bc.info/pdf/4books.pdf
you are correct...So even though the Taylor revelations mention no outside organization, the polygamists claim authority through the Sept 86 revelation anyway because according to them the alleged 8 hour meeting that follows the next day gives them their basis for the outside- the-church-priesthood-organization.
Thank you so much for this video. It’s direct explanation for things that seem to get incredibly convoluted by the many different plogamist organizations that seem to try and smear any other plural marriage group.
This was fascinating. I think that you may not have gotten the guest you wanted but rather the guest you needed. My experience with seeing Kody Brown speaking on any topic is a lot of word salad and tangents.
Fascinating discussion! Joe Jessup is a great speaker and was really able to explain foreign concepts clearly.
I served in the Montana Billings Mission 17-19. I served in Stevensville (same stake that Pinesdale is in) and I heard about Jessop’s presentations to missionaries, wanted to go so bad but wasn’t able to.
Glad I was finally able to hear the breakdown 😅. And I’m doing a research paper on Fundamentalist culture this semester so it is very timely!
Thanks Rick for another great interview.
You'll have to send me your paper when you're done!
I live in Billings, born and raised. Was in Rexburg when you were in MT though.
Interesting stuff Joe. You are my nephew. If I am not mistaken, your mother Sharon is my half-sister. I am currently working on my autobiography and just might be interested in appearing on Gospel Tangents.
Growing up not far from Pinesdale and knowing a number of the residents this has been enlightening and helped fill in my knowledge of our neighbors.
Glad it's helpful!
So you should try going to a general LDS meeting and give a talk titled “The Alleged First Vision”. See how that goes over.
Not sure what you're getting at. This was a while ago, and I don't remember whatever point you're trying to make.
Exactly. It's an intentionally subversive thing to say. Or go to any Christian congregation and talk about Christ's alleged "returning from the dead".
Thank you so much for this video. It’s direct explanation for things that seem to get incredibly convoluted by the many different plogamist organizations that seem to try and smear any other plural marriage group.
Great interview, just stopping by for the Russian orthodox in Montana comment. ☦️ I am Russian orthodox and a big fan of Gospel tangents and lds history
I'm so glad to hear that! Thank you!
every one under USA rule should be able to practice freely as they wish-religious beliefs ( civil rights act of 1963 also reenforced this, even for deval-worshiper ( peda and human rights limited, sameness way for Muslims/Jewish sacrifices ) that im not kean-on, yes Epstein belongs on trail/jailhouse for criminal behaviour but that doesn't/wouldn't give a pass for jailing/harasses his neighbours or the other sinigog-members ) and it gets my goat's how the orthodoxy-LDS/Jewish/native's-nation-religious have been treated in the last 90 year's/1880~forwards i hope it ends and no i belong to mainstream Christians-church and or secularism
looked at Greek ( i do give positive point that im coming to think most of the bible and or torah was originally for BC greek reader's ) as a church to joining but so-far not/convincingly for me, i will say 21yo me/2009~ rejected changing ways to roman catholic church as they are keyless in my notifications ie pregnancy-pope around the 1500c nullify them as a option and Rome empire aka outsiders governmental leadership's noted christ and his 12 as living humans ect so Jewish of my forefathers is off the tables
George Q Cannons own journal corroborates the "8 hour meeting." Record can be found in the minutes of the Quorum of the 12 as well.
Do you have any quick links you can share or where to find this?
Hi. What is the source on this? Accounts of that day from the secretaries of the Church have no record of it.
We were part of a group that left the AUB and is in Concho, AZ. Jessops and Sullivans and Thompsons. We are not related to any of the families.
Do you have an official name? Is it the 2nd Ward or something else?
No name. The "group" was a large extended family that would worship together, but each family was independent. No council. It split from the AUB I think because of something with Joe Thompson. This group split, then split again.
@@atphoenix2020 I'd love to get more details. Email me at gospel tangents at gmail dot com if you have anything more to share. I'm always interested in the different restoration groups.
@@GospelTangents she's referring to the Group I belonged to, Rick.Hi, Barb!
Wait you actually know this user?
Based on your story, It seems that Joseph Musser did the same thing as Owen Allred By appointing a successor
Maybe you know some site in Net belongs to AUB ? I tried to find but failed...
On priesthood ban
Please read Joseph Smith on history of the church vol 2 page 438 and Abraham 1:21-27
What are your guys (GT and Joe Jessop) thoughts?
And the history of events during 1950-1978 especially of the efforts of Hugh B. Brown.
I don't see how anyone can believe the lifting of the ban on blacks was inspired.
I don't have the first book but with regards to Abraham, I think this blog post explains things well. mormonheretic.org/2011/04/11/using-scriptures-to-debunk-the-priesthood-ban/
Are you defending the ban?
Tune in Monday and check out my discussion with Paul reeve. I don't think anyone can argue that God was involved in the ban.
@@levisphotographyandfilm to be fair the cursed might be albinos/whites/Europe's/Jewish-ashka as secularism said lacking-mellin come's 2 in the DNA recorded
id be willing to lessons by UAB/flds ( Jeffry and or Epstein isn't helpful not a fan ) missionary's but i get hung on sin's of parents verse's ( and UOP/communism economics bit's, but smith's preaching that as well and is also found in Greek orthodoxy and or Russian's churches pre-marx ) and or orthodox/smaller churches aren't as well PR'd as mainstream sec's and or salt lake-leadership-LDS but i cannot back Nelson as he's lying about his wife's ( also was hung on this but bible in 50~AD greek and or outside of Mormonism solving this, im now pro polygamy ) and denounced his predecessor's ect
governmental ane media organisation's did your memberships/501C dirty and or i liked to outside of the 2006~ Texas temple better than most of the current/2022~ modern themed-mainstream-LDS temple's in the planing stages
Is Joe related to Christine (Brown), now Woolley… and is David any relation to the other Woolley you spoke of?
In polygamy, isn't everybody related to everybody? :) I'll have to ask.
Did this question ever get answered?
She is related to David Jessop, Robyn’s ex husband. I do believe an article said David W. has ties to the “Mormon faith”.
Christine and Joe would be cousins because they share a grandfather (Rulon Allred). David Woolley is a descendant of the polygamist Woolley though I'm not sure what the relation is or if he grew up in a polygamist family, but his sisters are polygamists and live in a polygamist colony in Mexico. Christine recently posted about how her and David actually attended the same family wedding when they were younger but didn't officially meet each other until they started dating a few years ago. Small world lol
@deek3183 Actually David Wooley IS NOT descended from.Loren Woolley. David's father was a convert to LDS when he was in the military.
Thank you that was interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it
Is Joe a brother in law to Brady Williams? I love hearing how everyone is related, there are some really good people from these groups ♥️
No. Some of Brady’s wives are related to Joe, but none are siblings.
Interesting
Thanks!
Just a very minor correction, from someone here who is still an AUB member. We actually DO believe there is still Priesthood in the Church. Just not a lot of it. We believe there will ALWAYS be Priesthood in the Church at some level or another.
Very interesting. I would love to talk to someone from your church. Feel free to email me at Gospel tangents at Gmail dot com.
@@GospelTangents I highly doubt you'll find anyone willing to talk on a public forum like this :) I've spoken a couple times, but only on smaller podcasts and at some college classes on alternative religions. I'm not a representative of the average AUB member, as I believe in heretical things like evolution. I'm a lowly laymember just trying to make it through life in a very difficult lifestyle lol
@@joshuathompson1357 I'm finding that true. I'll take a "lowly"member. I try to be fair and let people define themselves, rather than let others define them.
I appreciate your comments.
@@GospelTangents I'm down to talk :) Just as long as it's well established that I'm not a good representative of the AUB at large. When I speak, it's usually my personal experiences in living polygamy and cultural experiences growing up in it. I'm very much an outsider, but still attend meetings regularly and try to stay involved as much as I can.
@@joshuathompson1357 That would be great. Send me an email and we can work out the details. Gospel Tangents at gmail dot com.
The 1886 John Taylor revelation says nothing about setting up any organization. We have 10 Taylor revelations and the 1886 one was the last one. Read those revelations here: 2bc.info/pdf/4books.pdf
you are correct...So even though the Taylor revelations mention no outside organization, the polygamists claim authority through the Sept 86 revelation anyway because according to them the alleged 8 hour meeting that follows the next day gives them their basis for the outside- the-church-priesthood-organization.
@@joejessop6235
Hi Joe. I’d like to get in touch with you to set up an interview on fundamentalist origins. What’s the best way to contact you?
Thank you so much for this video. It’s direct explanation for things that seem to get incredibly convoluted by the many different plogamist organizations that seem to try and smear any other plural marriage group.
Glad it was helpful!