The Most Influential Sith Lord in History | Marka Ragnos
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Who was the most influential Sith Lord ever? Darth Bane, Sidious, or someone else? Today we're going with the someone else option and talking about Marka Ragnos.
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Ragnos materializing after 1000s of years just to give Plagueis a piece of his mind
Plagueis: "Sith spirits are not real, try me."
Marka Ragnos: "Challenge accepted, youngster."
I think its awesome that a Star Wars character has so much influence yet isn't in the foreground, makes him feel like a real historic figure, and also props to being the most successful Sith ever,.he just died of old age, wasn't beaten by anyone, think how many can say that.
It's this kind of wide and deep lore that keeps me coming back to the series time and again.
Marka Ragnos was vital in the stabilization of the Sith Empire.
Perhaps not the most influencial, but he definitely had a thing for meddling with the galaxy as a whole.
Funny that by the time of Plagueis, everyone had gotten tired of the whole thing and eventually he was relegated to Tavion's cult where he accomplished basically nothing after the jedi beat his new "empire" again.
So those giant horns on his head are on a hat... always thought those horns were from his body
Same.
Probably would give the most influential sith lord, ever to either Ragnos, Vitiate or Bane as without either of those three, at different points of history the sith empire and order would have died a very bloody and chaotropic death and final end without hope of recovery if it was not for their actions and interventions in the history of their order and empire.
I think it depends on how you define influence. In broad terms, I would agree. From a historical perspective Ragnos absolutely had the biggest impact. Your points about how he stayed around and kept choosing new Sith Lords is unquestionably valid.
But in terms of the Sith who was the most influential on the state of the galaxy - how can one argue that any Sith was more successful that Palpatine? He's the only Sith who ever actually, truly, won. He actually succeeded at defeating the Jedi and ruling with an iron fist for decades on a galactic scale. Palpatine arguably was the most successful individual in galactic history. He set out to rule the galaxy and damn it all he actually went and did it!
But maybe the argument could be made that some of that is less about him being Sith and more about his personal political success?
I mean, he didn’t succeed in completely wiping out the order, and other Sith have done almost as well as him. The specific example I’m thinking is the Sith Triumvirate. The Jedi were also all but wiped out, and the Republic was on the verge of total economic and political collapse, and nobody even really knew how to counter them. (Not saying that this is necessarily better than Palpatine, just saying he’s not the first to nearly drive the Jedi to extinction.) Though his was more impressive, as the Jedi hadn’t been worn down by no less than 3 galactic wars in around a century.
I actually think Vitiate takes the case
Dude started a chain of events that spanned centuries
Who is this Luke guy? Sounds like his clone would make a good Dark Jedi...
And a nice loophole against a poor redheaded woman's mind screamers.
I'm a Tulok Hord fan, but Marka Ragnos!!!!
Tulak Hord is fuckin sick.
I think Tenebrae is the most influential one, however Marka Ragnos comes at a close second.
Eh, guy's way too unoriginal.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I disagree. Plus we're talking how influential they were, not how original they are. So I fail to see the relevancy there.
Apologies for that. It's just that I *really* don't like TOR at all.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I've noticed.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I think the vast majority of TOR's narrative flaws were inherited from the Revan novel, rather than a fault of the game itself.
It also doesn't help that the Jedi Knight class story and Rise of the Emperor weren't written very well. The Echoes of Oblivion DLC did actually fix a lot of the Tenebrae / Vitiate issues though, if you're willing to stick through the game for that long.
Also, If you haven't already, check out the Imperial Agent story of TOR. It's far beyond the quality of the rest of TOR, I might even say it's comparable to the KOTOR games.
I only heard of the big Marka from SWTOR.
I'd say Sidious is probably the most impactful, if only because of how pretty much everything in the prequel and original trilogy eras (and post Endor pre-Yuuzhan-Vong) is directly or indirectly his (or Plagueis') fault, but I would put Ragnos as a very close second because of how much his choices influenced other Sith over a much longer time, even if most of it wasn't directly his doing. Though in my opinion the two are close enough in influence that it's less Palpatine is number 1 and Marka Ragnos is number 2, more that Sidious is 1A and Ragnos is 1B.
I'd say more Plagious since he set up and funded everything...quite literally...Palpatine just followed it through
She never directly lied at all....she stretched and twisted the truth though
@@Kolonol1 Fair enough. I was also counting Sidious' influence as Emperor (since technically pretty much any story involving the Empire doesn't happen without that), but I do see your point that that wouldn't have happened without Plagueis' manipulations.
@@willembirgel6530 yeah because I mean...without Damask Holdings and Hedo Damask throwing almost the entirety of the money on Muunilinst (I know it wasn't all of it but it was a massive chunk of it) then they wouldn't have been able to create the grand army of the republic, build up the trade federation to blockade Naboo, create a secret army of battle droids, pay off Seinar fleet systems and essentially buy Rothana from them for the walkers...own the intergalactic banking clan to get them to throw in with the CIS, convince Dooku to join them and although he was technically with Sidious, Plagious was behind it too...I mean without that money none of it would have happened and I imagine eventually the Republic would have fallen apart on its own...but not reorganized into the massive dreadnaught of the empire.
@@Kolonol1 Ok.
Feel the power of this fully operational Engagement!!! :D
Top tier writing on this one! Probably one of the best lore videos to date. Loved the little jokes sprinkled in there
That Academy LS Ending cutscene is so painful to watch... XD I love Academy for what it was, but man... it ages poorly without the Movie Battles mod, which I have never used.
Back then, he was. Come 14 ABY, and he's deemed a joke by one Jedi aspirant/Dark Jedi wildcard named Jaden Korr... even the latter fighting the likes of Kyle "Forcedamned" Katarn is way more awesome and iconic.
(Interesting that your Jaden Korr here is a Rodian.)
Jaden Korr is a Kel Dor and nothing can convince me otherwise
Depends on how people feel about them, but in the end, their gender, appearance, species, and alignment should have stayed ambiguous.
@@michaelandreipalon359 well... Croscurrent and Riptide happened so Jaden Korr has been defined 🤗
Eh, those novels don't even matter much, so they're ignored.
@@michaelandreipalon359 can't argue with that 😉 It's quite subjective - to each their own, right? 😁 A matter of personal headcanon, I guess? 😎
I'd say before they started retconning some of the things KOTOR established, Revan kind of did. It was Revan's holocron that inspired the rule of two, and originally the Sith Code was ascribed to Revan before it got retconned to Andeddu.
So after the retcons I'd say it would be Andeddu instead of Revan.
I mean with cheats you can play as him in Jedi Academy
It's only cheating if you get caught.....Helpmeobi1
Gavin almost acts like he's tripping, he goes for a walk, lays down on the floor, says a few weird things. Definitely a good high.
Tom just screams.
Can't say I disagree if we're talking truly the most influential. Bane probably deserves consideration for the rule of 2 and how he began the process for the eventual sith takeover, but Ragnos has a much longer period of influence.
Ragnos is my favorite.
You are wrong!!! Idk why you just said it drives engagement so here I am trying to drive engagement :)
I would of said the older sith were the more powerful. Sure legends Palpatine was stupid OP but apart from a few exception...
I think that Vitiate and Bane were the two most influential Sith in history. Both ensured the survival of the Sith Order after disaster and either oversaw or had their actions lead to golden ages of their own. Imo, Ragnos inherited the pre conact with the Republic Sith Empire at its height, and it dissolved shortly after his death. He was the end of an era, not the start of one, and I don't think that he was overall as influential to Sith orthodoxy or success as a lot of other Sith Lords were.
Excuse me
I disagree with the Kreia comment.
She never lied when teaching the Exile. At least not about the subject of the lesson.
Still, how would she know how good or bad at lightsaber fighting someone who lived millenia ago was? I think she might be experiencing the golden age fallacy.
@@philipsalama8083 Trayus academy might have had records. And although such sources can be biased, she was a former jedi archivist. You'd think she'd know how to critically approach sources.
Wasn't Freedon Nadd a jedi originally and therefore not actually part of the sith empire?
He wasn't part of the Sith Empire, but he still became a Sith- basically no Sith past Sadow and Vitiate were part of that Empire.
@@CoreysDatapad except for the lost tribe of the sith
Jedi academy
5:36 reupload the video, it weirdly compressed Exar *KHÛHŃ*
i think you wanted to have said darth traya?
Palps. 100%
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Oh man your opinion about Rag-nose Golden Age is sow rong. I have such heated opinions it literally cannot be expresed in words.
Ugh, skipping 6:52-8:24.