Doctor Sleep Overlooked: What Happened? | Charting with Dan!
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- Опубліковано 11 лис 2019
- Doctor Sleep didn't do well at the box office, why? That and more from this weekend's box office 2019 news - it's Charting with Dan!
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Doctor Sleep Overlooked: What Happened? | Charting with Dan!
Hosted by Dan Murrell (@MurrellDan)
Featuring Lon Harris (@Lons)
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A late Tuesday charting is better than no charting.
Dr. Sleep came out after Halloween, all that horror/spooky interest was out of season by the time of the release for a casual audience. It should have come out the week before Halloween and it would at least have a 1/3 more take
Yeah that's something I didn't understand. Why the hell couldn't just get it out some time on October.
Or release it in January, since this seems to have become the new "horror movie season". Give it some room to shine. But it also needed better marketing. I didn't even know about the movie until two or three weeks ago.
Perhaps the title "Stephen King's The Shining 2: Doctor Sleep" might have sold a few more tickets.
Maybe WB didn’t want it to be directly competing with Joker
Reese Witherspoon and Vince Vaughn return in Five Christmases coming January 2020
My theory is the poor marketing. Because I had no idea this was even a thing until Saturday.
It seems quite a few movies that shouldn't fail have in the last few years because people just didn't hear about them.
Marketing is always blamed for a failure. Random cinema sequels is just not something people care about these days, not now that there's tv, where season 2 and on function often as sequels to a continued story.
Yeah I agree I knew someone who's a massive fan of the shining and they didn't even know about it until the opening weekend
I saw the marketing but for a long time I thought it was a TV series coming on one of the streaming networks for some reason. I didn't realise it was a wide release movie. And I'm a huge Shining fan...
Yeah WB totally dropped the ball with the marketing of this film. I don't think hardly anyone knew there was a Shining sequel in theaters.
How the hell does cats have more characters than endgame? Will it be longer than the Irishman?
LMAO I didn't even look at it that way, good point XD Nah, every cat just has a 3-4 minute introduction song, not an actual character arc or anything, so that's how it won't be that long.
Don’t underestimate the massive amount of kids that have been begging their parents to take them to Frozen 2 since the marketing started. For sure I’ll be taking my kids.
It's funny because part 1 was almost half a decade ago. So kids that watched it then have grown up a bit. It's almost like a Toy Story phenomenon where the kids grow up with the series and check back every 5 to 10 years.
It’s not just kids, there are ton of Disney fans and musical fans and people who were kids when Frozen came out but not anymore.
Some kids have seen the movie only on home video. In any case, it has been an awful year for animation (for some reason the Frozen movies always get released in years where the other big studios aren't really up to snuff or don't release anything at all...the only truly good animated mainstream movie this year was HTTYD 3 and that was back at the very beginning of the year), so Frozen 2 has the red carpet laid out for it.
My sister wants to drag me to go see it and she's 30
I'm disappointed about the Dr. Sleep marketing... It REALLY felt underrepresented on thr airways, and I feel like the public just missed this. Sad to see.
Yup. I saw a trailer at the movies maybe twice. Little to no marketing on TV. Lots of marketing on sites for movie nerds (like us) but we're a tiny minority.
I got worried I wouldn't get this tonight. 😔 Waited ALL NIGHT for this! Would wait forever for Charting w/ Dan!
People are........ sleeping on Doctor Sleep!
Travis Spazz Didn't Shine, got Overlooked!
I just remembered that outside the theater I went to watch Doctor Sleep, there was a really long line and i joked that we were not going to get good seats for it but the auditorium we were in was actually empty. Makes me sad. But actually watching it was fun because of the reactions of the audience.
I think Dr Sleep could have benefited from having the subtitle The Shining 2. I believe the general public didn't know this was a sequel.
Don’t be mad when studios call a film,
“The Shining 2” instead of, “Doctor Sleep”
Bryan A YEEES!
Dan doing the lord’s work. I think he hosted SJU this morning, was on Honest Trailers Commentaries, and then did this today as well. I salute you, sir!
Holy cow its so late, go home honeys, rest up, bless your souls
Honestly I didnt know a thing about this movie. Bad marketing could have had something to do with it under performing.
What surprised me about Doctor Sleep bombing is that Stephen King adaptations are having such a big moment right now. Kubrick's movie aside, Pet Sematary and both It chapters did well at the box office so it's curious that The Shining sequel is the one to fail.
Most probably do not realize this film has any ties to King.
I’d have pirate cats on my pirate ship to eat the rats. Pi-cats to eat pi-rats, if you will.
The domesticated cat hails from ancient Egypt, and felines began traveling along maritime trade routes in ships that allowed them to visit different parts of the world. They soon began living in all corners of the Earth, and some cats, naturally, ended up joining the motley crews working aboard pirate ships
I had to google this even before Lon stated to leave it in the comments
lawnjart16 it makes me happy to know cat pirates are in fact a real thing.
cats kill mice. A useful thing for any vessel carrying food which is every ship
lawnjart16 the *self* domesticated cat comes from ancient Egypt.
We never domesticated cats like we did dogs, horses, cows, etc...
Cats essentially domesticated themselves in Egypt around the time of the 1st Dynasty, long, long before the Arab “invasion” of the area. When they were the Pyramid-building Egyptians and were more genetically related to other Africans(especially the Central African Nubian Empire)
I already knew this because there is some Disney short about the history of the cats….
We have some domesticated cat skeletons in human graves in Cyprus from 9500 BC, so those must have crossed the Mediterranean from Turkey (or the Levant/Iraq) with their humans. So the earliest domestic cats we know of certainly travelled in ships. Genetic evidence shows us that this is about the time that the domestic cat separated from the subspecies of wild cat called _Felis silvestris libyca._
One Egyptian myth has the serpent of chaos Apep (or Apophis) obstructing the passage of the sunboat of Ra. Ra defeats Apep in the form of a cat. Or Bastet the cat goddess kills Apep on behalf of Ra. Though this myth would have been from after 1000 BC, the first certain Egyprian depiction of a domestic cat only being from 1600 BC. Though a cat skeleton was found in a human grave from 4000 BC.
They may have had cats on ships to eat rats
Nachos n Cheese My thoughts also - and I would personally consider those cats to be “pirate cats”. 🐈 🏴☠️
I know there were/are a lot of cats at the shipyards because of rats and fish... maybe that is how the cats learned about pirates?
Hi guys! I've been having a really crappy day and was waiting for this to upload. Charting always cheers me up. Thank you for brightening up my day!
Yay!! I was afraid there wasn’t going to be a Charting today. Thanks Dan!
I had no idea this movie existed until a week before it opened, and from reading some of the comments it seems like i wasn't alone
YES! The appearance of Growltiger and Griddlebone in the CATS film is just what was needed to get me excited for watching it. When I saw the off-Broadway cast perform in Detroit a few decades ago, the Italian duet between the war-torn lovers struck an emotional cord within me.
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omfg billy and the 'wrap it up' graphic
If Joker was the same movie, but not about The Joker, it probably wouldn't make 100 million
You said it. People are stupid sheeple that rely on IP instead of originality.
Damn Dan! Around 10:30 I was like, “yeah that will probably be tomorrow. I hope Dan’s not still at work, because it’s getting late, even for the west coast.”
When I got the notification I was pleasantly surprised but seriously though go home and rest! 😴(Also as much as I want to make a Doctor Sleep pun with the late upload...I'll refrain 😂)
Lon, you feel like Charlie's Angels hasn't been marketed... cause it hasn't been marketed to you. They wanna pull in a young female audience, that's why they brought together 2 of the biggest names of pop music (and Lana Del Rey) to do a song together, got the girl everyone loved from the live action Aladdin and, of course, Noah Centineo. And all of the marketing has been done on the internet. I'm 25 and I've seen that trailer pop up at least 3 times a day on my instagram feed.
The trailer is literally before every You Tube video I try to watch
The Mewtdown is slowly taking more and more of Charting, eventually Dan's hat will grow two cat ears
Thank you so much for posting this!! I appreciate how hard you work and how late you guys stay up to get us our weekly dose of charting!!
It feels like Warner Bros put too much effort in Marketing of Birds of Prey
I was going to ask, “What about Anchorman?,” where the sequel did outgross the original, but then realized only nine years separated them, not the required 10.
I was thinking about Rocky 4- Creed, and realized the same thing too.
The original was far superior too
I have become strangely addicted to the weekly Charting with Dan episodes. I am glad that you were able to pull together all of the numbers again this week!
Plus another Cat introduction!!!!!!!!
Damn, was waiting all night for this! Legit stayed up to see if it would upload!!!
I love charting so much! Thanks Lon and Dan!!!!
It's nearly midnight...and I have to wake up at 5AM...
Lovely Procrastinator you have your priorities straight. Charting>sleep
@@serenityriver2701 Always
I've seen doctor sleep on Saturday with my parents and I really love it and I'll definitely going to see it again someday because I love Stephen King's novel and horror.
Tbh I REALLY wanted to see this movie. I just didn't get a chance to go cuz I have some awful sickness rn
Thanks for destroying its opening weekend!
@@desperadoshashank Ah yes. I'll try to be more considerate the next time that I literally can't walk 5 feet without throwing up and having the world spin around me 😀
Finally! feels so late. but couldn't wait for charts
I watched Doctor Sleep on Sunday and i loved it so I've been telling people to go out and watch it. It'll be interesting to see how many people in my Film classes go watch it considering it is a film we heavily focused on for an entire class period. I know I'm going to mention it to let people know about it 👀
It is great!
In the UK, Joker is currently in a run of 6 weeks at #1 which I believe is the longest since Avatar.
I hope next week doctor sleep be on #1 box office list.
It's just like Blade Runner 2049. The people who are gonna be most interested do not have the time or energy to rush out on opening weekend. And then the film will disappear from the cinemas before they hey chance to go.
Perhaps "Classic" cult cinema is more niche than we think?
Seriously guys where is Shimbleshanks the Railway Cat?!?
You’re right Dan. Pirate ships would have had cats to eat rats and stuff so I would say that there were in fact pirate cats.
CATS looks more and more like going to be the most WTF movie of the year 😂😂😂
Glad we got charts even if it was late, but I am sad you guys didn't talk a bit more about Midway considering the film had excellent word of mouth. If you look at Rotten Tomatoes and Cinemascore, you will find that even though the critical scores are middling, the audience scores on both sites were largely positive. I believe it has a 92% RT Audience score and an A Cinemascore. I think the film was also carried by a solid and fairly well known ensemble cast which included, Ed Skrein, Woody Harrelson, Luke Evans, Nick Jonas, Mandy Moore, and Dennis Quaid. It would have been nice to see how it stacked up in terms of other films based on WWII battles (Dunkirk, Hacksaw Ridge, Fury, Enemy at the Gates).
Cats vocabulary:
jellicle cats- angelical cats
pollicle dogs- poor little dogs
pekes - Pekingese
poms - Pomeranians
heaviside layer - scientific term (Kennelly-Heaviside layer) for part of the Earth's upper atmosphere aka cat heaven
Wow that really ties it together
Wait. There's dogs in this?!
@@rebeccabee4718 Well, cats singing about dogs in "The Battle of the Pekes and the Pollicles."
Doctor Sleep was great! I'm shocked that it didn't do so well!
I think we've all been overlooking one important factor in the success of a sequel. What are the odds that all of your friends want to go see it with you. Jurrasic world is no body's favorite choice, but it is the greatest common denominator. It feels like a safe bet to people who would all rather see their own quirky movies but don't want to go alone.
Cats were often kept on ships in the way, way back. I'm sure pirate ships would have had them too. I like to think they sharpened their claws on the peg legs.
Yay, bonus charts!
Doctor Sleep has been overlooked, slept on, stepped on, left for dead
Always against all odds like Pac said!
I wish Dr Sleep was released in Oct. Nov is such a busy month at work for myself & a few others I know that want to see it. I hope we can still see it in theaters in a couple weeks.
No one tells Dan to wrap it up! 😂
I saw it last night. I forgot it came out. And I really wanted to see this.
Can we please get Roth back for occasional episodes of Charting?! I love Lon but it'd be great to have Roth back once in a while.
thedummie2 I need Roth to meet a cat!
Oh God, we reached Catception.
During the 90's with Blockbuster and Hollywood Video, you could find and rent the catalog titles. But since their demise it's been fairly impossible to get friends to see classic movies like Bogie and Bacall films without inviting them over to your house to watch your DVDs.
I think the reason why so many movies bomb at the box office is that they don’t know they exist. In the past people found out about what movies were out from tv spots and not many people turn on their tv anymore with streaming.
Something I haven't seen anybody mention is that one of the problems with waiting a long time for a sequel is that you now have an audience that is used to seeing a film a certain way. So take The Shining: I love The Shining, seen it a bunch of times, and I'm very excited to see Doctor Sleep. However, I have never seen The Shining on the big screen. Even though I love seeing movies at the theater and I know, in my head, that it would be a better experience, I've only ever watched The Shining at home in a specific setting. When I imagine myself watching Doctor Sleep it is in a similar setting.
So grateful to still get a meowntdown this week. ❤️😂
No, WB was sleeping on it. They didn't market it enough and so late!
I really hope it picks up and does better because it's a great movie! We need more movies like this were the director cares about the story and characters.
I was wondering where charting was but then remembered Veterans Day but glad you guys were able to make it
Going to be interesting box office discussion this week with a lot of underwhelming ones this week ( surprises about midway tho which I saw btw;)
Never seen any ads for Midway (in Aus). Wouldn't know it existed if not for Charting. But I've seen quite a few for Charlie's Angels, whatever that means. Very sad about Dr Sleep though. I liked it, in its somewhat scattered fashion.
Lon, all British navy ships had ship cats. What makes you think pirate ships would be different. They keep the rodents down.
I just got the pun in the video title, well done sir.
The twist of Last Christmas is IN THE FIRST LINE OF THE SONG!
meowntdown compilation plz!
Pirates definitely had cats on their ships--it was the best way to stop rats, which could spread disease and ruin stores of food. Most pirates were ex-navy sailors so they took their naval expertise with them, including the desire for a cat or two on board.
Midway just suddenly dropped in theaters around me out of nowhere, I didn't even know it was coming! For dr Sleep I at least saw some trailers, I knew it was coming out and I made a conscious choice not to see it. Midway just appeared. Very strange
It's layers, Lon! Layers!
Great episode of "Charting" as always. I was looking up Stephen King adaptations, and I was surprised how many movie sequels he has - you could do an entire segment putting "Doctor Sleep" in context compared to "Creepshow 2," "It Chapter Two," "The Rage: Carrie 2," "Lawnmower Man 2," "Pet Sematary Two," an unexpected number of "Children of the Corn" sequels, etc. Most aren't based on a sequel book Stephen King wrote, though.
"Doctor Sleep" could also be compared to the other Stanley Kubrick film to get a sequel, "2001" vs "2010."
I loved the charts comparing sequels with a ten-year plus gap. No "Crocodile Dundee in Los Angeles?" LOL
I'm looking forward to a similar chart in the future that will have "Matrix 4" and "Bill and Ted Face the Music."
Still surprised "Playing with Fire" beat "Last Christmas."
The ONLY reason I thought there was a twist to "Last Christmas" is cus of you two!
In my local theater, Midway played in a smaller seated auditorium than Dr. Sleep. I made a comment to the ticket counter cashier that I thought it was strange that was the case, as I had never heard anything about Dr. Sleep and it was Veterans Day weekend after all, so I expected that the movie would be in the largest auditorium at the theater. The cashier said that Dr. Sleep was put into the largest auditorium because they always put the big movies in that auditorium. Guess they were wrong about both movies.
I just saw Doctor Sleep today and I thought it was really good so it saddens me that people aren’t seeing it. Like a few others pointed out I think it has to do with the marketing.
I can’t believe I am about to type this, but here we are: Please do Munkustrap.
This is sad to see, I just came out of theaters and I really loved Dr Sleep. Feels like generation gap is a huge factor here as well, a lot of my friends didn't even see Shining despite being huge movie fans, or even know a sequel exists. Hopefully next week they can shine!
30:25 Can't wait for the giant squid monster in Cats. :)
Did you know The Shaggy D.A. and The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes are part of the same cinematic universe? Most took place at Medfield College, while The Shaggy D.A. takes place in the town of Medfield and implies the original, The Shaggy Dog took place there as well. Also, the villain from The Absent Minded Professor appeared in Herbie Strikes Again, adding The Love Bug series to the universe.
I just watched Parasite over the weekend. It lives up to the hype! Everyone should give it a watch.
I think I need to go to the theatre again
Doctor sleep just didn’t hit marketing. Half the people I talked to about it said they haven’t heard of it but when I told them what it was and about the shinning they were taken back.
If you had a cat on a pirate ship, you probably wouldn't have a parrot.
Was it just me or did anyone else notice that when Honey Boy was shown as the Top Per Theater movie it was in 4 theaters, but when Dan showed top 5 per theater for 2019 it was 5 theaters?
I loved Doctor Sleep and I’m so sad it didn’t preform better.
Doctor Sleep doesn't deserve this. It was amazing, as was the book it's based on. This Christmas being weird, even if for the worst, makes it 85% more intense to me. Scream 4 was another one that deserved better
@@AJT222-gf6xv it's my opinion. You don't have to agree and it's totally fine
Damn, knowing it underperformed... now I really have to watch it in theaters!
remember Dark Tower? Also sold as "ties the king universe together"
Best Pirate Cat is the Parodius Da! Cat Battelship.
Look it up, you're welcome.
Dan going above and beyond with help from Lon to get Charting W/Dan in on the promised Tuesday. Now go home and get some rest. Thank you for all you do Dan-this show and SJU are the highlights of my week. Um..that's not as sad as it sounds...Joe and Danielle will understand-I ride the bus daily.
I had the same problem with "Doctor Sleep" that I did with "The Shining"-they just gutted so much of the book. A lot of characters and character arcs are missing from Doctor Sleep especially the end. Because they wanted to get The Overlook into the movie they changed the entire end of the book and not for the better in my opinion. And for being abandoned for 40 years the grounds seemed in pretty good shape-I guess the ghosts were cutting the lawn. The performances are all great-Rebecca Ferguson was perfect as Rose The Hat and I really liked Ewan MacGregor as Danny. I'll see it again now that I know what to expect.
More like Dr. Slept On
Doctor Sleep Overlooked, lol. I see what ya did there😉
GrowlTiger's a pirate cat you say? "Yo ho fiddly dee being a pirate is alright with me do whatcha want because you are a pirate!!"
Even then The Shining is far more accessible than Blade Runner.
*Jim Carter* is the Downton butler in The Good Liar. And, FWIW, it's Russell Tovey as Helen Mirren's grandson.
I would like the uncut review uploaded again please
28:30 Yes, there were cats on (pirate)ships, they were there to catch the rats that were trying to eat the cargo/supplies.
After listening to you guys talk about cats every week, I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around how all of these different characters come together, and how I can possibly come to care about so many different characters over the course of a single movie. It just sounds like the weirdest thing ever...
The middle of Doctor Sleep was not as compelling as I would have liked, and it is all about setting up for the end, but BY the end, I was ready for it and I thought it was really good. The beginning "kept me there", the middle was necessary, the end was great. Overall, I enjoyed it, but I can see how it would not be for everyone.
Fictional Pirate-cats WTF...?? My head hurts. Love u Guys.