Healer Hero Talents RANKED - Who Has It BEST in The War Within Alpha

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  • @AutomaticJak
    @AutomaticJak  5 місяців тому +2

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    • @stevenrussell8917
      @stevenrussell8917 5 місяців тому +1

      Jack, we’re still missing the totemic tree for shaman.

  • @johnMa7869
    @johnMa7869 5 місяців тому +44

    They should just give Archon a lightform just like the shadow form for sp. That would be way cooler and on theme than that halo stuff

    • @MediaCreature-Ben
      @MediaCreature-Ben 5 місяців тому +2

      I 100% agree

    • @queenofrandir
      @queenofrandir 5 місяців тому +6

      I was thinking of a light beam like the demon hunter's eye beam but instead heals and does damage.

    • @jennastarnes5377
      @jennastarnes5377 4 місяці тому +3

      FOR REAL! they didnt even try with oracle or archon, at all.

    • @2121beastmode
      @2121beastmode 4 місяці тому +3

      They should allow a percentage of the vast amount of over heals to be retained in an ability. Once you hit a certain amount of over heals you can do a big instant cast ability. I want to play disc but I hate having to do damage to heal.

  • @zapzya
    @zapzya 5 місяців тому +56

    I guess oracle is supposed to be inspired by prophet Velen, which is kinda cool. But man, there's gotta be a better thematic for the only double healer hero talent.

    • @raharbour388
      @raharbour388 5 місяців тому +13

      They could have go into whole 'prevent' or 'revert' damage aspect of Propheting. Like some of your healing spells put buff on teammates that anticipate the damage and reduce/put a shield/revert it or something. I just cant feel Oracle power at all. Its not 'hell yeah' visually nor 'now i pump up like crazy' numerically. Its just lame.

    • @meanseason3056
      @meanseason3056 5 місяців тому +3

      @@raharbour388 that would require these devs to have much more imagination…. Sadly; the don’t 🙄🤣

    • @liamdavies2823
      @liamdavies2823 4 місяці тому

      @@raharbour388 sorry pres evoker has that covered - find a new niche

  • @mellowsunset7730
    @mellowsunset7730 5 місяців тому +9

    To beef up archon holy/shadow priest on the fantasy side, maybe they could draw on some of the "twilight" light/shadow animations they made for the Anduin fight in the last raid of Shadowlands rather than just repeating the current halo animation again and again. They could have both halo and divine star cause twilight damage, and perhaps have a naaru-like NPC show up to "empower" them. Sunfury Mage draws on a partiuclar moment in lore (Tempest Keep, Kaelthas, the phoenix Alar) and since Anduin's inner struggle with the light and shadow is a focus of the war within, that could be a cool fit.

    • @Knote3
      @Knote3 5 місяців тому +1

      I've already suggested this but just theme it around Naaru. becoming an Archon of the Naaru. Holy has Naaru already, shadow has fiend that could become a naaru instead. Both have temp transforms to become ultra holy/shadowy with apotheosis and void form, etc.

  • @Pokerit
    @Pokerit 4 місяці тому +10

    Jak: I hate storing healing type of abilities!
    Also Jak: I LOVE CLOUDBURST TOTEM!

    • @AutomaticJak
      @AutomaticJak  4 місяці тому

      Where did I say the first one?

    • @Pokerit
      @Pokerit 4 місяці тому +10

      @@AutomaticJak 14:28

  • @thomasboys7216
    @thomasboys7216 3 місяці тому

    Oracle could have a fairly simple solution.
    Vision of Hope/Vision of Doom/Vision of Prophecy: (Cycles): Your overhealing is stored up to a value of X. Vision of Hope is large raid/party heal for X divided among all targets, Vision of Doom is a massive sibgle target nuke for X, Vision of Prophecy is a single target shield for X.

  • @teymar7262
    @teymar7262 5 місяців тому +1

    Great Video Jak! Really looking forward to playing around with Conduit of the Celestials next expansion. You did a good job simplifying what the tooltips are saying for each hero talent tree, looking forward to more 😊

  • @gneissisnice100
    @gneissisnice100 5 місяців тому

    The interesting thing about Archon is that the description of the tree fits way better with Voidform and Apotheosis, forms that empower you with either void or light. I imagine that the initial plan was to lean more on that theme and then they went with Halo instead because the two forms are so different from each other and because they're both technically optional talents (VF competes with Dark Ascension and Apo with Holy Word: Salvation). There's still a bit of support for those forms in the Archon tree, like the talents that increase their duration, but I would like to see Archon lean more into those.

  • @VestibuleTV
    @VestibuleTV 5 місяців тому +3

    Lightsmith I thought felt like an actual support spec unlike the abomination we got in DF. I enjoyed it a good bit

  • @krucible9369
    @krucible9369 5 місяців тому +13

    Voidweaver and Templar are exactly what those 2 classes would want out of a hero talent tree

    • @dr.zoidberg8666
      @dr.zoidberg8666 5 місяців тому +1

      So is Farseer. The theme on that spec is just immaculate & passive healing only helps shammy to be even more new healer friendly which is already its reputation.

    • @ZeroiusProduction
      @ZeroiusProduction 5 місяців тому

      ​@@dr.zoidberg8666 idk what u mean by "shaman is new healer friendly" personally, i find disc easier then that, but that's due to it's overhall in DF and it used to be way harder.
      You got so many buttons it's crazy, not even paladin can compare lmao

    • @dr.zoidberg8666
      @dr.zoidberg8666 5 місяців тому

      @@ZeroiusProduction Yeah, but you don't ever need to press hardly any of 'em until you're pushing really competitive content.
      Throw down a healing rain, then hit your group with riptide, healing surge, or chain heal as you see fit. If you fuck that up a cloudburst totem will save the whole group. & if you stand in the fire yourself, you have a self-rez.
      Resto shammy is a very forgiving spec & it has no complicated mechanics or interactions.

    • @thegamemattster
      @thegamemattster 5 місяців тому

      Did recent alpha dungeons as Farseer. It was pretty relaxing until a few big mechanics and then I was trying to figure out optimal throughout. Got a little scary but no one died. Healing totems, spirit link, nature swift, etc. shaman has a ton of buttons lol. First time playing Resto Shaman. It was fun though. Was doing decent damage too

    • @MikeHawkPEN15
      @MikeHawkPEN15 4 місяці тому

      ​@dr.zoidberg8666 any legitimate key pushing or raiding past LFR shaman is chaotic. Easily 20+ spells and ability's need to be keybound. The utility between totems,dispels and using ghost wolf to do mechanics is and will always be over whelming. Once mastered it's a hell of a class and fun.

  • @raharbour388
    @raharbour388 5 місяців тому

    Bastion's Boon fits the Archon descripton the most. Light-dark form that bursts with the whole lots of damage and healing on some solid CD.

  • @menalgharbwalsharq648
    @menalgharbwalsharq648 4 місяці тому

    What amaze me are all these new visuals. I've been waiting for that for years really.

  • @LyubenV
    @LyubenV 5 місяців тому +5

    Honestly I like the sound of Archon. It sounds quite hands off and passive, while looking cool. Its not as build around as the Shadow version, you just need Halo which has always been a filler talent before.

    • @AutomaticJak
      @AutomaticJak  5 місяців тому

      True. It is nice having the ability feel meaningful

  • @gringoboy701
    @gringoboy701 4 місяці тому

    Super accurate. I've been maining resto druid since Legion and after seeing both Hero trees, I decided I'm going back to warlock which is the only dps I have any experience with. It's fine that they want to make passive trees, but the passives have to feel like you are leaning into a certain playstyle. Season 3 and 4 tier sets are more spec defining than the keeper of the grove hero tree and that's pathetic.

  • @OsyrissTV
    @OsyrissTV 4 місяці тому

    Good news is we still have the largest beta test in Warcraft history incoming in a few weeks, we will hopefully get lots of feedback and subsequently lots of alterations. Great video Jak

  • @alancoll1987
    @alancoll1987 5 місяців тому +5

    Voidweaver on top. You and every content creator are saying the same thing. And rightly so. :D

    • @alancoll1987
      @alancoll1987 5 місяців тому +2

      Also a thought about helping oracle is to have it so you will activate it from what your last move was. An aoe move like radiance or Holy Word: Santify could trigger Premonition of piety, a dps move could cause insight and a single target heal (take your pick) could cause solace. Still won't be good as voidweaver but it would be better.

  • @echrzastek
    @echrzastek 5 місяців тому +1

    The data mine for totemic shaman looks like it is going to be a lot of fun and from what I’ve seen that may be what I am going to go. Been playing resto shaman since bc

  • @Cythren
    @Cythren 5 місяців тому

    Amazing vid

  • @christopherneil8265
    @christopherneil8265 5 місяців тому +2

    My gripe with farseer is that it’s more about lavaburst/riptide pushing than any kind of fantasy. There are only 5 nodes that mention the ancestors and there are 0 interactions with anything else in the kits. There’s even a talent on resto that “summons ancestors” when you crit, and that doesn’t interact.

  • @Askfornate
    @Askfornate 5 місяців тому

    Thanks for the coverage always!

  • @dr.zoidberg8666
    @dr.zoidberg8666 5 місяців тому +3

    I think I would bump Farseer up just because of Resto Shammy's position as arguably the best starter healer spec.
    More passive healing only increases that status & the theme is so incredibly on point. For me, Farseer theme is up there with Voidweaver theme.

  • @ChrisDavid1210
    @ChrisDavid1210 5 місяців тому

    So happy to be a Disc Main, Voidweaver looks so amazing!

  • @jonathandias5899
    @jonathandias5899 4 місяці тому +3

    Totemic Sham, seems legit.

  • @rfjohnson69
    @rfjohnson69 5 місяців тому +5

    I am shocked that the Shaman 2nd talent tree comes last. SHOCKED I say......and people wonder why we shaman feel under managed. In DF we had 1 minor revamp of talents, awful tier structure, and now our hero talents are brought online last. As usual.

    • @rfjohnson69
      @rfjohnson69 5 місяців тому +1

      Side note, it is funny that Dhaman get a tree that gives them a priest ability and Monks get a Shaman ability (Cloudburst via Mana Tea)

    • @basslime4795
      @basslime4795 5 місяців тому

      This shows that they are working on it the most and aren’t rushing it. Wow players are literally so annoying

    • @rfjohnson69
      @rfjohnson69 5 місяців тому +1

      @@basslime4795 Show me the historical evidence of this fantasy. As a counter, I would point to Shadowlands covenants , the talent rework where shaman talents were set in beta and not touched until the end of S1 and then immediately nerfed afterword and basically not changed since then, and the S3 tier set as evidence that whoever is doing the shaman work is half assing it consistently. I know it sounds like whining, but if you look at the evidence there is strong evidence of a lack of effort on that.

  • @loganboyd10
    @loganboyd10 4 місяці тому +4

    Hey Jak love your content, noticed you left out Blood DK 💔

  • @djbedu
    @djbedu 4 місяці тому

    I say this all the time. They always start with druid trees at the beginning of expacks and big updates. They show us off visually but get it all wrong. Then they don't come back to it because it was done first. I wish they would do ours last for once....

  • @DanielCruz-qr6qu
    @DanielCruz-qr6qu 5 місяців тому

    2:27 It's ironic that voidweaver actually works much better for disc than it does for shadow...but it also makes sense considering how badly designed shadow is.
    The rift gets huge(and amazing) while playing disc...but it doesn't get anywhere close to that while playing shadow, it being tied to void torrent also doesn't help.

  • @minimcune
    @minimcune 5 місяців тому +2

    its wild that we live in a world where voidweaver exists, as incredible as it is, and then we have....whatever shaman got. Do blizz look at the success of those two trees side by side and think "Yeah, nailed it". Its like someone cared about class fantasy for priest and then just...ignored it for other specs.

    • @AutomaticJak
      @AutomaticJak  5 місяців тому

      Nooo idea. Figure all we can do is really emphasize WHY we like the good stuff and push em to make changes accordingly

    • @minimcune
      @minimcune 5 місяців тому

      @@AutomaticJak 100% Jak. I saw someone comment the other day (maybe it was you?!) that both you AND other players should know immediately that you are playing THAT hero tree (see: visual identity) and should address and double down on specific class fantasy. I've seen so many players simply requesting to see visual representation of their class fantasy. It's actually really low-hanging fruit given how awesome we all know the art team has been since forever. They've nailed it for voidweaver. So...just...do that. Again. And again. For everyone. Appreciate you analysis as always mate. Cheers from Oz

    • @maruhto3508
      @maruhto3508 5 місяців тому

      idk I personally love farseer, especially the bubble. I like that its passive and the visuals are amazing too. There are people who do like such stuff, maybe not as many, but the question is if there has to be a roughly equal amount of people loving each of the hero talents, or if something more "niche" int terms of flavor is ok. I personally think the latter is the right answer. Only because fewer people like it doesnt mean its worse, its just that this particular taste is not as common as the other.
      If you find voidweaver so much better, maybe your taste changed and just want to be a priest instead of a shaman? Voidweaver doesnt hype me. It looks nice, but I expected more weaving in the void instead of only having void in the tree. Like creating an unstable void rift to send light energy in that makes it implode. Bottom line, it's up for taste and like Jak said, make sure to tell them WHY you dont like it.
      The extremes are where the alarmbells should ring. I had such high hopes for oracle, and now its really hard to find anything remotely positive or exciting about it.

    • @minimcune
      @minimcune 5 місяців тому

      @@maruhto3508 all very fair points! I mean archon and Oracle just like...wtff

  • @Wunderkind04
    @Wunderkind04 5 місяців тому +2

    Archon being focused around Halo really sucks in my opinion. The fact that they talk about a transformation makes me feel like it needs to be a brand new one that replaces Salvation/Apotheosis with a new visual. Wings of Naaru crystals would've been perfect to replace our ugly see-through yellow-jello one, because ours is the only Hero Tree with zero new visuals whatsoever. Even ORACLE gets new visuals and "spells".
    I'm also super annoyed they didn't bring Cascade back. They said in the beta of Dragonflight that they wanted to and it's still nowhere to be found. I would've taken that with a visual update as our core ability for Archon, even.
    Overall, when you compare Archon to Voidweaver, that received new amazing visuals and really tweaks your gameplay, Archon literally just feels like "You Halo bounces back, doesn't receive a new visual, and visually doesn't even bounce properly, take it or leave it.".
    Wow, such a gameplay improvement. I'm sure a dev worked overtime for that idea.

    • @heyvaedryn
      @heyvaedryn 5 місяців тому +1

      Oh man I miss Cascade. It was soo cool.

  • @azvard7444
    @azvard7444 4 місяці тому

    What if premonition replaces PI w/ an aoe buff for like 8 seconds tracks overhealing. After the 8 seconds it will consume overhealing on the targets as they take damage till the amount runs out and provides a minor haste buff based on the overhealing done for as long as that persists?

  • @nilohermes6447
    @nilohermes6447 5 місяців тому

    If we get new buttons to press with the hero talents, can we remove the earth shield stacks please? It's kind of annoying to press every 20 sec anyway.

  • @mariosblago94
    @mariosblago94 3 місяці тому

    Saying Cloudburst totem is active, while Treants are passive healing is wild to me... because they are both just totems. In fact, Treants literally do the same thing as Healing Stream totems.
    Cool video overall.

    • @dread46
      @dread46 3 місяці тому

      Well but healing stream totem IS different to a cloudburst totem. The first you just drop and forget, cloudburst though you have to time it properly so you 1. have enough time to fill it up and 2. pop it right as your group or raid got massive dmg dealt. So no, cloudburst is not passive at all (unless you want to be a bad resto shaman...)

  • @lexkappa
    @lexkappa 4 місяці тому

    very nice video mate! :)

  • @vanguelisk
    @vanguelisk 5 місяців тому +2

    so any predictions what totemic rshammy might entail?

    • @keasbey11
      @keasbey11 5 місяців тому +1

      Totems

    • @minimcune
      @minimcune 5 місяців тому

      @@keasbey11 lolll

    • @Lucianic
      @Lucianic 5 місяців тому

      I hope spire totem makes a tall totem pole that stacks your totems on top of each other, pumping out multiple effects
      But prob wont be lmao

  • @Fortheweak13
    @Fortheweak13 5 місяців тому +1

    Can someone tell me what is the talent/passive/holy circle that proc arround the holy priest when casting holy word sanctify at 20:47 in the video ? It's already on live and I just can't figure what it is, seems to proc from several spells but doesn't do any healing, please help.

    • @cakerz4856
      @cakerz4856 4 місяці тому +1

      I think thats the cosmic ripple when its coming off cooldown

    • @Fortheweak13
      @Fortheweak13 4 місяці тому +1

      @@cakerz4856 no this isn’t the one I’m referring to, I know cosmic ripple 3D anim if you look closely at my time stamp it’s another thing … I still didn’t found what it is

  • @gageracer
    @gageracer 4 місяці тому

    make anything a tier list and I'll watch it

  • @Kozmowow
    @Kozmowow 5 місяців тому

    What do u think about the 5% extra stammina in the holy/shadow hero talent tree?

    • @AutomaticJak
      @AutomaticJak  5 місяців тому

      That’s personal stamina. Doesn’t go out to everyone

  • @Jayix_
    @Jayix_ 5 місяців тому +1

    Yeah druid really missed on the hero talents. As a druid main im not really excited for any of the hero talents

  • @xantureo
    @xantureo 5 місяців тому

    I first thought that hero talents would change your play style when picking them and that you could only pick like 4 of them. Oh boy was I wrong oh yea I play resto druid....

  • @endofexistence2149
    @endofexistence2149 5 місяців тому

    Thank God I'm shadow lol. I'm a void junky so anything void related I'm there.

  • @NPPzGaming
    @NPPzGaming 5 місяців тому

    @AutomaticJak You saying after playing Holy Priest since vanilla, I have to give up my favorite class due to you have published the only D rank but your favorite is S Rank? Have you now gatekeep my class now for the next expansion?
    Also Wowhead your Discipline and holy gear pages are opposite in recommendations Discipline seems to be focus haste and Vers and holy is crit and mast.

    • @AutomaticJak
      @AutomaticJak  5 місяців тому +1

      ??? You don’t have to give up anything?

  • @ConeyIslandKing
    @ConeyIslandKing 4 місяці тому +1

    Totemic shaman is fun

  • @DawgAC
    @DawgAC 5 місяців тому

    Am i crazy or does this video not have resto shaman Totemic listed?

  • @zylle1993
    @zylle1993 5 місяців тому +1

    Fluid Form and healing through damage as druid is S tier for me

  • @topleveldnd
    @topleveldnd 4 місяці тому

    Voidweaver will get nerfed to the point of unplayable because if disc is able to heal, it's the best meta no matter what.
    Disc must feel unable to heal things so blizzard feels it's in a good spot and leaves it forever.

  • @Timmercjt
    @Timmercjt 5 місяців тому

    Hear me out… Lightsmith with Avengening Crusader and veneration… 👀

  • @FABBYFLAME
    @FABBYFLAME 5 місяців тому +1

    I want a healer with dk aestethic

  • @droniholland7185
    @droniholland7185 3 місяці тому

    Does Disc priest still have to manage attonement? What a clunky system that is...

  • @tynudy123
    @tynudy123 5 місяців тому

    They haven’t released the other shaman one yet?

    • @AutomaticJak
      @AutomaticJak  5 місяців тому

      Nah. Only one missing

    • @tynudy123
      @tynudy123 5 місяців тому

      @@AutomaticJak a couple people have made videos on totemic shaman leak if u wanna take a look

  • @Mal3ficarum
    @Mal3ficarum 4 місяці тому +7

    Dude I realise you need to get paid but I've had 6 ads in 7 mins as well as your sponsorship talk....its a bit much.

    • @Berryism1
      @Berryism1 3 місяці тому

      Welcome to UA-cam in 2024

  • @angrylittlenobody6379
    @angrylittlenobody6379 5 місяців тому

    Make oracle just do roll the bones but it's the whole team. I forsee a need for precision now we all have crit. And u cast shit to extend the buffs. Final talent throws all buffs up for like 10 secs or something.... Easy

  • @elijahcrownguard787
    @elijahcrownguard787 5 місяців тому

    i expect priest to be rank S in the new expansion, an them get over-nerfed, aways the same thing :(

  • @JaceMazama
    @JaceMazama 5 місяців тому

    No, no way am I watching yet another tier list ah fuck its too late.

  • @awfulplayertv6351
    @awfulplayertv6351 4 місяці тому +1

    So unbelievable disappointed in Oracle

  • @Daddy_Jim
    @Daddy_Jim 4 місяці тому

    Shave Jak 2024!

  • @michaelhepi6284
    @michaelhepi6284 3 місяці тому

    Does anyone even use halo in pvp with holy priest. I never used it before

  • @joshlyman7059
    @joshlyman7059 5 місяців тому

    i do find archon kinda boring but honestly i just wanna spam halo all raid long lol, now pls just let holy have the blue halo

  • @og--pb6gu
    @og--pb6gu 5 місяців тому

    his restro opinion is so based because he dosent like restro druids. Not constructive i fear sadly

  • @Matte8lack
    @Matte8lack 5 місяців тому

    Purple = win

  • @Maguinnata
    @Maguinnata 4 місяці тому +1

    Where is totemic shaman?

  • @carmack456
    @carmack456 4 місяці тому

    And there is the problem you shouldn’t have to use a add on to play the game and your character and the way you described light bringer makes absolutely no sense. It’s a laserbeam you’re not radiating anything.

  • @Kingston.screams
    @Kingston.screams 5 місяців тому

    God damn how am I late

  • @jcmt8178
    @jcmt8178 4 місяці тому

    Where TOTEMIC?

    • @AutomaticJak
      @AutomaticJak  4 місяці тому +1

      It wasn’t out yet when this vid was made

  • @harvington2139
    @harvington2139 3 місяці тому

    Druid getting shafted in the visual departent again. Resto druid is strong or it is useless. They refuse to just let them exist and its sad because its my main. GGs as just been ruining rdruid since they came out.

  • @NY-qb5bq
    @NY-qb5bq 4 місяці тому +1

    Resto druid swapping to cat form to dps is dumb. Just allow is to dps in resto form....If i wanted to dps as a cat. I will jusy play FERAL!!! WTF BLIZZ!!!

  • @lewisalphonsus
    @lewisalphonsus 5 місяців тому

    1st