Legendary. Rick Rubin's ability to articulate the creative process and understand how different artists work differently is undoubtedly one of the super skills he's mastered
Rick Rubin literally sits in a room and does nothing. He doesn't know how to mix, doesn't know how to master. Can't play instruments. He's literally useless.
@@Stix_Zidinia you've never dealt with producers i bet 😆 if you think he's useless you gotta see him in a different light. He is like a guarantee that the artist/band will create something and deliver to the labels so they don't think they're losing money on the album. Producers meddle/ influence the songs/ albums but he gives them more freedom unlike other producers without sacrificing artistic integrity at the same time. That's his style, he lets you do you, he guides you he doesn't directs you towards a finished song/album. He's there to keep you flowing and not get blocked from creating... he's encouraging you to create and not stop if he's there. That's what I've seen from him and the videos ive seen, that slipknot opinion of him was funny but i get where Rick comes from. I've seen a producer record before, some mess with the vision or change the sound for better or worse.
@@Stix_Zidinia He came up with the riff for "99 Problems" and just gave it to Jay-Z. This is just the one thing I knew about him before watching this video. I'm not 100% sure why you're disparaging him, but I think I have a feeling I might know the reason
Rick is one of those guys you could listen to all day long. The genius in his creative process and then just hanging out with a plethora of creative genuises.
Yeah, one thing that he forgot to add is that he’s constantly creating concepts in his mind throughout the day and when he hears a beat he pieces together the concepts and fills in the blanks. So it doesn’t just come completely out of the blue. It’s still genius though when you consider how complex so many of his verses are. Some of his rhyme schemes, wordplay and double/triple entendres are outrageous. To do that without writing anything down is otherworldly. Apparently he used to write but he was spending so much time in the streets hustling that he never had time to write so he started doing it in his head.
Romans 15:13 May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in Him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Except for the fact the Ice-T wrote 99 problems and Jay-Z took it and published it. No credit was given. Jay-Z is the most over hyped fool I’ve ever seen. Has it in his head because he stole it. I have no idea why he shot to fame when biggie died
lowkey one of Joe's biggest interviews. Rick is so humble and behind the scenes you'd never know. this dude's produced music for THE BEST talent, period.
What made Rick Rubin so special was his ability to portray the artist at their best, without ever acknowleging his own part. He was so behind the artist with his work and not himself, that you never knew he was the initial creator of some of your favorite songs. If you read the list of albums he has delivered on, its mind blowing. Classic album after classic album. His greatness is that most people have no idea who he is. Thats what a great music producer is.
@@dominictrupiano anyone who like System of a Down has horrible taste in music Point Blank That's it that was what I was trying to say and it's a fact they suck man
Nas has a song (I think it's "Book of Rhymes" from God's Son) where the narrative of the song is him going through notebooks of rap verses or parts of rap verses that he never used in albums and rapping them in the song. It's a cool track.
What a great conversation! I love hearing Rick talk, he has a warm soothing voice- great conversationalist- his perspective on things is very fascinating JR hit this out of the park! Looking forward to hearing these two chat again! 🙌🙌
As a big Chili Peppers fan, it makes a lot of sense hearing about Anthony's writing process. Each phrase always sounds like a separate thought than the previous. I would think to myself there's no way he writes each verse in chronological order because they're all so sporadic and seem to have nothing to do with the previous one. It makes much more sense hearing that he'll re-arrange phrases for where they sit best in the song.
I’m a longtime Chillis fan and for me the last two albums suck largely due to AKs repetitive melodies and lack of singing ability. How anyone can call My Cigarette creative truly baffles me. 😅
Lol. No can do that. Jay-Z writes a bunch in private. He doesn't know much outside his own music, so he has plenty of memory space. He then sells it to rubes like Rick Rubin as though he is coming up with it on the spot. The rube then mythologises the guy on shows like JRE.
@@kazman_6899 - He doesn't know much outside his music? Nevermind his billion dollar business empire.. I'm not even the biggest Jay fan - but damn, ya'll some haters 🤣
Rick Rubin is a living legend. I’m an audio engineer that has been lucky enough to work with some charting artists and he described the process perfectly of how some artists will hum or try to shape the melody/flow/feel and then flesh it out. I think of it almost like having a puzzle where the edges/border is done and then you start placing the more intricate pieces to finish it.
@@grimmbilly9263 yeah . Without Rick their trajectory would be totally different. Under the Bridge wouldnt Have been written and that’s the song that blew them up to mainstream levels of success
As soon as Rick mentioned that writing music is like a dream that comes from the subconscious, it must have took everything in Joe's power to not mention DMT.
Joe rogan comment sections are just a long series of people going for the low hanging fruit. So annoying, every fucking video.... so many interesting conversations then you go to the comment section and find a BUNCH of idiots
@@T.Maximus that was because he had that as filler during the demo tapes before he had lyrics wirtten and i think flea's daughter liked the gibberish so they kept it
When you realize that most of your fav. albums, no matter which genre, were produced by Rick Rubin... What he did with Johnny Cash and his "American Recordings" series is beyond epic.
I've always struggled to explain the idea that sometimes I don't know what a song I write is about, or what it's really about, until much after it's finished. Hearing him describe it like a "dream" in that way finally clicked in my head what the feeling is. Perfect explanation that was amazing haha
@@rastavillain9185 the actual mixing is really not that hard to learn, it’s a craft. What rubin has is the ability to formulate the tone and soundscape of an album based on what the artist is trying to go for. This is way harder to cultivate and in extension way harder to find as a service that can be offered by a producer. Anyone can learn their way around sound boards especially these days, given the technology. What Rubin brings to the table though, very few can offer to the level he can, that too across genres.
Every time I open up the JRE and it's some genius or legend or damn interesting person like this, my heart skips a beat. I know we're getting 2/3 hours of pure conversation. Beyond anything else television or mainstream producers could possibly give us, and worth every penny for Spotify.
I couldn't handle the fact that Joe decided to talk about comedy in the first 50 minutes of the podcast. It was so incredibly frustrating. You have Rick Rubin on and you bring up comedy.
Jay-Z is Not from this planet! How! Is it possible to make some of THE most iconic Lyrics on the fly?!?! That's astonishing! What an awesome interview! Rick Rubin is THE GOAT!
It really is a shame that recording studio sessions aren't filmed a lot more. I'd love to see the process of entire songs and albums being made. Like, imagine if there was footage of the full recording sessions for The Marshall Mathers LP or GKMC. It's an important part of music history that just isn't being preserved.
I feel that the documentary style filming of albums or other events has to be recognized early on by the artist to be done successfully. Albums like GKMC and Marshall Mathers EP are genius, but those are the first albums from two GOATS, how were they supposed to know how it would be received by the people? Albums like Jay-Z's The Black Album is different because he "knew" that'd be his "last" album, so he recorded the process.
Did you see the Rick Rubin documentary a couple years back? A lot of behind the scenes recording showing the process as well as the fires that hit the area.
This the testimony to the magic of song writers/musicians. I come from a very musically intuitive family...and sadly it skipped a generation with me. So I totally admire and appreciate the mental geometry of these artists. Rick's talent is just as mystical....and he seems to handle tapestry very well.....soft spoken....sincere...and gracious. Music is a language that is universal and a bit humbling......a big THANKS to all these special beings. Love the channel.
he's definitely the master of minimal yet game-changing input. for example the soundtrack he put together for Less Than Zero, something no one else would be daring to do back in 1987. combining Roy Orbison, Public Enemy, Slayer and The Bangles is the ultimate definition of eclecticism and while still being a bit messy, it already shows what he'll be up to in the future
@@daporkoil1 I thought he was around during the early Run DMC and Def Jam days? That's why I thought he was a architect. I'm not trying to spread false info.
@@daporkoil1 you don't know anything. Rick rubin founded def jam records in his dorm room at new York university. He and the beastie boys use to throw wild parties in the dorm. The first act Rick signed to his label was tla rock and jazzy Jay "it's yours", then he got the beastie boys to join, and then ll cool j. Rick was the man behind the scene with Russell Simmons and they produced those classic ll cool j, beastie boys, and public enemy albums. So yes, Rick rubin was a pioneer of 80s hip hop.
Irony is RHCP could survive replacing any other member. Anthony's lyrics fit perfectly with the vibe even if all he's saying is ding dang dong. He's also pitchy live, but sounds phenomenal in the studio cuts. It's funk /rock band...
A living legend here. Rubin is responsible for so many of our favorite songs an artists and most don't even know his name. It'll be a sad day the day this one goes.
I really like this interview. What Rick describes here about putting a song/lyrics together like a puzzle, and not necessarily knowing what it means until the song is done - or even until years after (because it comes from the subconscious) is exactly how I've been writing my poetry over the years. I also take a similar approach to my songwriting (hobbyist producer). I would just get an inspiration, put pen to paper and let it flow - sometimes a piece of me would interject and say "no, you need to have that word here, it needs to be *this* way" even if the word was something that didn't really make sense at the time. I would often have some idea of its meaning to me once it was finished, but now even years after I go through some of them and find that they relate to my life, Self or understanding in an overarching way that I never would have been able to piece together at the time I wrote them. It's cool to hear the process wasn't unique and is something that other, even world-famous, artists use in constructing things the way they do.
@@jaredmello I like some of what Jordan Peterson says, and though I can agree that the quote you shared certainly applies much of the time I wouldn't say all of the time - at least not insomuch as where the two intersect in favor of.... Wow, you know I suppose it is true - though not necessarily with negative connotations. Any art created with an intended outcome *is* propaganda, even if it is propaganda by the artists with a purpose to create a positive reaction - it is still propaganda. No escaping that one without mincing words I think. Thanks for the (shared) insight.
@@jaredmello 🍻 Love your username btw. Radical responsibility, radical self-respect and unconditional self-love are the stuff dreams are made of. Truly. Salud!
I don't know why everyone is so astonished at people's creative process I could come up with a rhyme just completely off the top of my head here we go here we go there was an old lady from Kalamazoo she could never fit into a shoe oh yeah this is easy I don't see what the big deal is
@@arlen9190 now do it for 26 years with 13+ albums almost each debuting #1 with avg 15 tracks/album & your coming up with stuff on top of your head that is better than 95% of the guest on the same track but they're writing & taking more time (and they're considered legends as well) 💀💀💀 there's LEVELS TO THIS no wonder u don't get it
As a musician I love listening to Joe talk about music.. its like being able to listen to all the fans who don't know the in's and outs of music..just pure fan boy stuff .. love it
As someone who goes through a similar process in mathematics-related problem solving... There seems to be a lot more at play under the conscious level that people like Jay Z and Anthony Kiedis are tapping in to. A wholesome description is lacking, but my best way of phrasing it is that when faced with a complex problem or sense of expression the creative or computational genius (in the old Latin meaning) comes to the forefront and presents itself. While we can maybe think of five to seven solutions at the conscious level there seems to be an order of magnitude more solutions/expressions that are boiling underneath the surface and few are lucky enough to have those come to the forefront and reach the conscious.
@@o2kcrPac isn’t a top 10 rapper. Maybe he’s the most overrated ever. He couldn’t touch Biggie, Nas, Kendrick, Andre 3000, Earl, and plenty more. I’ll never understand the Pac love.
Jay Z and Lil Wayne are the most impressive *major* recording rap artists in the modern hiphop history. Wayne specifically fascinates me because on the cover he comes off as an airhead, frankly speaking. But then you learn about his recording style and realize that one of his simple, borderline stupid lines in a song, is not only a triple entendre but also a call back to multiple previous lines. As someone that personally absolutely sucks at poetry, I have an immense amount of respect for people who can use their words like that.
Can’t get more legendary and humble than Rick Rubin! He’s the real MVP in the music Bizz! We owe so much to this man! So much respect for staying good and keeping it real! Nothing but compliments for this man’s mouth.
Every creative person's writing process is different but the Keidas type of piecing together the puzzle with high points is probably the most common for screenwriters, novelists, songwriters, etc.
Its just so incredible that today people kinda let Jay's wealth overshadow his rap career, when he is an absolute genius behind performing and writing. It's actually crazy how talented he was/is and how much he achieved all around.
Jay-Z used to go from NY to NJ on the train, and he would have things to write his lyrics on during the train ride. He started to have so much to write that he ran out of things to write on, so he would just practice remembering sentences at a time, to the point where he scrapped writing it down and would just remember everything. That was the start of his process.
@@JS-hn5ld no the blueprint was more about showing how his rap career and business mogul side had met at the top and for anyone trying to take his place on the top he had already laid out the theoretical “blueprint” for up and comers through his music and way of life. “The blueprint” was his way of saying study what I did and you’ll unequivocally understand how I got here and how you could do it to.
Seeing this, i agree 100%, some things are said out of opinion, but the things rick rubin says are the way of nature, and yeah its magic when you hear a beat and start flowing with a rhythm or a rhythm with words attached along it feels great
Rick Rubin and Russell started the first rap label. This dudes a living legend. Jay said it himself. “Y’all record I RECALL cuz I really been their before”. Em is a samurai who’s constantly sharpening his sword so he can decapitate you when he needs to.
@@crackheadbiden7269 Dont forget a lil metal band called Slayer, which is even more nuts that one of the biggest hip hop labels of all time had and produced one of the big 4 of metal and some of the more respected metal albums of all time.
Also Jay Z explained how he came to be able to do that. He would have rhymes in his head back from his time spent dealing and he wouldn’t have anything to write his rhymes down on so he just started to memorize them and that led to him just making up things entirely in his head.
I think JayZ spent more years Not Dealing than dealing. Almost to the point of why even bring it up anymore? 30/40 yrs ago let it go. His writing process is much more interesting topic, lol 🤷♂️😅
@@horatioh2020 ? That’s not even my opinion or me bringing up a whatever. That’s actually Jay’s own explanation. He’s not ashamed of his past. No one else should be either. So there’s not really a problem bringing it up.
I have always wonder about the different creative processes, Rick explained it really well. I could never really get my head around artists that don't go in without a plan lyrically, but work something up in the moment. That Chili peppers example is probably what I always thought about them as their lyrics always seemed so random, because they are.
Everyone's definition of deep is different because of their perspective of the word. Lupe "deep" is his message. Eminem's "deep" is the 2-3 meanings within the couple of sentences he puts down. Both amazing writers, but when it comes down to it, Lupe doesn't hold a candle to Eminem. He even said that himself. 🫡
@@Godzgeneral07 gtfoh show me where Lupe said that. I already know who I'm talking to so I won't debate you on hip hop you probably only listen to Eminem. Eminem isn't top 5, top 10 yes but I get at least 5-6 ppl ranked ahead of the white boy from Detroit. Eminem ain't better than any of the goats that's Jay Nas Big & Pac. Don't even mention his name with any I just named. I won't even reply to Hov & Nas hate. Show me you're a casual when it comes to my culture.
in all seriousness what good music has he been involved in? Ok so I just looked up what he worked on- I see Johnny Cash on the list but I bet that was pretty limited. Otherwise it is all pure poisin to the cullture
Biggee Smalls was the same way, had the lyrics in his head. Biggee was impressed with Jay z because they both used the same process to make music, off the dome.
Ya man this is a amzing 5 minutes to watch. Any real music artist who writes or raps needs to watch this guy in the Grey Beard shout out Mr Rubi. Thanks for the amazing story’s and the knowledge you just shared.
non-musicians perception that he does nothing makes him even more elusive. This guy is the real deal. Just the way he thinks and articulates the musical ideas, shows how much he really knows about putting together a good record. Bravo
This man is one of the most important personalities in music. I don't think anybody else has been involved in the making of the biggest musical acts of 3 different genres
The way he describes how Anthony writes is exactly how I thought he must write after having first listened to his lyrics back in the day. Good to see it confirmed.
I always was waiting for Kiedis to be on the show, not because I am a super big fan or particularly interested in what he has to say, just because Joe Rogan and Anthony Kiedis in one room would be the ultimate meetup of "California Dudes".
I know where he is from. Doesn't change that all his mannerisms, his way of talking, his personality and so on are cliché old school Californian. He is like a Red Hot Chili Pepper song turned flesh, which is why I would like to hear him talk to Kiedis. The only thing missing is that he doesn't surf.
Little known fact that Kiedis is actually was actually born in Seoul to North Korean defectors. They were hunted down by the state and gave Kiedis up for adoption before they disappeared without a trace. This backstory was the inspiration for the song ‘Hump de Bump’
It’s only one Rick Rubin…….. Man is a absolute legend. Also fun fact. Jay Z process came from when he was on the block selling work. He would do the songs in his head. Legendary.
Rick is one of a kind. He is the man for a whole generation. EVERYONE one of us. Amazing. The BIGGEST music stars. Plain and simple he is the music god
I doubt he does any mixing or mastering either. He's just a guru guiding these bands and musicians. He probably knowa what to do to get the best out of them.
This is the dude who convinced Johnny Cash to sing Hurt
Or Dewey Cox "A BEAUTIFUL RIDE"
...and we've all suffered ever since.
I didn’t know Joe Rogan even knew Johnny Cash…
This is the dude who’s out smoked snoop dogg I think that’s slight more impressive 🤦🏽♂️😂
This is also the dude who wanted to named the black crowes The KKK.
Legendary. Rick Rubin's ability to articulate the creative process and understand how different artists work differently is undoubtedly one of the super skills he's mastered
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Rick Rubin literally sits in a room and does nothing. He doesn't know how to mix, doesn't know how to master. Can't play instruments. He's literally useless.
@@Stix_Zidinia the artists’ would know better than you….
@@Stix_Zidinia you've never dealt with producers i bet 😆 if you think he's useless you gotta see him in a different light. He is like a guarantee that the artist/band will create something and deliver to the labels so they don't think they're losing money on the album. Producers meddle/ influence the songs/ albums but he gives them more freedom unlike other producers without sacrificing artistic integrity at the same time. That's his style, he lets you do you, he guides you he doesn't directs you towards a finished song/album. He's there to keep you flowing and not get blocked from creating... he's encouraging you to create and not stop if he's there.
That's what I've seen from him and the videos ive seen, that slipknot opinion of him was funny but i get where Rick comes from. I've seen a producer record before, some mess with the vision or change the sound for better or worse.
@@Stix_Zidinia He came up with the riff for "99 Problems" and just gave it to Jay-Z. This is just the one thing I knew about him before watching this video. I'm not 100% sure why you're disparaging him, but I think I have a feeling I might know the reason
Rick is one of those guys you could listen to all day long. The genius in his creative process and then just hanging out with a plethora of creative genuises.
His creative process is due to his meditation practice and the fact that he is mindful - same as Steve Jobs, Muhammad Ali, etc.
He sounds very much like another persona I can't pinpoint... all during this interview I am trying to guess.
Fairly amazing how Rick describes how Jay puts a verse together. Absolutely brilliant.
Yeah, one thing that he forgot to add is that he’s constantly creating concepts in his mind throughout the day and when he hears a beat he pieces together the concepts and fills in the blanks. So it doesn’t just come completely out of the blue. It’s still genius though when you consider how complex so many of his verses are. Some of his rhyme schemes, wordplay and double/triple entendres are outrageous. To do that without writing anything down is otherworldly.
Apparently he used to write but he was spending so much time in the streets hustling that he never had time to write so he started doing it in his head.
There’s a clip on UA-cam of what he’s talking about it ua-cam.com/video/FqNDYvsOZkc/v-deo.html
@@justlooking1087 I heard he was a fake hustler, it's Hollywood
Romans 15:13
May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in Him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Except for the fact the Ice-T wrote 99 problems and Jay-Z took it and published it. No credit was given. Jay-Z is the most over hyped fool I’ve ever seen. Has it in his head because he stole it. I have no idea why he shot to fame when biggie died
lowkey one of Joe's biggest interviews. Rick is so humble and behind the scenes you'd never know. this dude's produced music for THE BEST talent, period.
I just looked at the list of his work. Johnny Cash was on the list otherwise they all suck. wtf are you talking about
What’s a high key interview?
@@xonious9031 you’re delusional
@@xonious9031 frank ocean sucks?
Jay z sucks?
Public enemy?
Geto boys?
Bruh why we even entertaining you
@@thesohl1106 Ignore him. Ppl just want attention sometimes
Rick Rubin operates at a super high vibration. He has brought out the best in so many artists. Genius.
What made Rick Rubin so special was his ability to portray the artist at their best, without ever acknowleging his own part.
He was so behind the artist with his work and not himself, that you never knew he was the initial creator of some of your favorite songs.
If you read the list of albums he has delivered on, its mind blowing. Classic album after classic album.
His greatness is that most people have no idea who he is. Thats what a great music producer is.
Great comment ❤
I think reaching a certain level of mastery in any craft tends to make you a humble person. He literally has nothing else to prove
This man has help shape so much of the soundtrack of my life. Truly a legend.
I feel bad for you then ..
ouch
I feel bad for your exploded ear drums. This guy has ruined some of the best albums in history with his volume knob.
@@jennacarlson624 leave it to the women to be negative
@@dominictrupiano anyone who like System of a Down has horrible taste in music Point Blank That's it that was what I was trying to say and it's a fact they suck man
I wanna hear the 99% of what Eminem doesn’t use!!!
Just goes to show the standards Eminem holds himself to. One of the best wordsmiths to ever touch a mic.
@Danny Dreadnought Lmaaaoooo
Nas has a song (I think it's "Book of Rhymes" from God's Son) where the narrative of the song is him going through notebooks of rap verses or parts of rap verses that he never used in albums and rapping them in the song. It's a cool track.
thats an awfully hot coffee pot
I don’t even wanna hear the 1% he is putting out these days
What a great conversation! I love hearing Rick talk, he has a warm soothing voice- great conversationalist- his perspective on things is very fascinating JR hit this out of the park! Looking forward to hearing these two chat again! 🙌🙌
Fantastic interview. Rick Rubin has a podcast called broken record which is really good. Totally worth a listen.
Thank you!
What Rick Rubin did for music is so underrated. He is the architect of a generation.
he literally just turned the gain up... tell me you don't know shit without telling me you don't know shit.
@@Jaketuh how many culture defining artists have you worked with in the past 40 years?
@@Jaketuh That's what all the teachers who've never had a hit say to their students to make themselves feel better.
Not underrated. Stupid comment
@@Jaketuh tell me you haven't done shit without telling me you haven't done jack shit
The catalogue of JRE interviews will go down in history.
Another Classic.
As a big Chili Peppers fan, it makes a lot of sense hearing about Anthony's writing process. Each phrase always sounds like a separate thought than the previous. I would think to myself there's no way he writes each verse in chronological order because they're all so sporadic and seem to have nothing to do with the previous one. It makes much more sense hearing that he'll re-arrange phrases for where they sit best in the song.
I’m a longtime Chillis fan and for me the last two albums suck largely due to AKs repetitive melodies and lack of singing ability. How anyone can call My Cigarette creative truly baffles me. 😅
California....California.....something something......California.
@@fredtaylor9792 😂
Jimmy woods settle down
Wet sands for example
Jay's 'writing' method is absolutely wild, heard folks talk about before and still absolutely blows my mind every time 🤯
@esd you goofy
Lol. No can do that. Jay-Z writes a bunch in private. He doesn't know much outside his own music, so he has plenty of memory space. He then sells it to rubes like Rick Rubin as though he is coming up with it on the spot. The rube then mythologises the guy on shows like JRE.
@@kazman_6899 - He doesn't know much outside his music? Nevermind his billion dollar business empire..
I'm not even the biggest Jay fan - but damn, ya'll some haters 🤣
@@SuperMunkeh Where's the correlation between something being popular and something being of good quality? There's no relationship there.
@@kazman_6899- You think he accidentally fell into a billion dollar business empire, with no actual knowledge of anything outside of rap?
Rick Rubin is a living legend.
I’m an audio engineer that has been lucky enough to work with some charting artists and he described the process perfectly of how some artists will hum or try to shape the melody/flow/feel and then flesh it out. I think of it almost like having a puzzle where the edges/border is done and then you start placing the more intricate pieces to finish it.
Can you say anything new...or are you just an engineer?
@@mateo98100 he’s on UA-cam comments. Come on
That’s artistry.
@@JPGStrokeys repeated garbage like
Brett farve was a great man
Rick Rubin also saved RHCP and played a fundamental role in their success… This man is a musical genius… ✊❤️
He didn’t necessarily “save” them cause Mother’s Milk was pretty awesome even with a shit producer. He did help them immensely though
@@roddydykes7053 agreed
They had success before Rick Rubin, but he definitely had a role in the evolution of their musical style.
@@grimmbilly9263 yeah . Without Rick their trajectory would be totally different. Under the Bridge wouldnt Have been written and that’s the song that blew them up to mainstream levels of success
Saved them more than once.
I love how he describes those process with such precision. It shows how attentive and a great artist he is too.
As soon as Rick mentioned that writing music is like a dream that comes from the subconscious, it must have took everything in Joe's power to not mention DMT.
Absolutely
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Joe rogan comment sections are just a long series of people going for the low hanging fruit. So annoying, every fucking video.... so many interesting conversations then you go to the comment section and find a BUNCH of idiots
And fun fact Anthony actually leaves a lot of those nonsense words in the final song 😂
Right away I thought of the gibberish in around the world
@@T.Maximus that was because he had that as filler during the demo tapes before he had lyrics wirtten and i think flea's daughter liked the gibberish so they kept it
@@T.Maximus ding ding ding ding dong ding dang
@@FirearmsGunGear Doo-doo dingle zing a dong bone
Ba-di ba-da ba-zumba crunga cong gone bad..
@@T.Maximus Around the World is a banger like it or not..
Congrats Joe you got a true music legend on the show
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"Music legend". Yeah, right -- more like the man who destroyed popular music by popularizing gangster rap and making it go mainstream.
lmfao what are you mad about
I mean he's an icon in the industry
When you realize that most of your fav. albums, no matter which genre, were produced by Rick Rubin...
What he did with Johnny Cash and his "American Recordings" series is beyond epic.
I've always struggled to explain the idea that sometimes I don't know what a song I write is about, or what it's really about, until much after it's finished. Hearing him describe it like a "dream" in that way finally clicked in my head what the feeling is. Perfect explanation that was amazing haha
This man is the Albert Einstein of music production.
u know he don't even mix nothing lol
@@rastavillain9185 the actual mixing is really not that hard to learn, it’s a craft. What rubin has is the ability to formulate the tone and soundscape of an album based on what the artist is trying to go for. This is way harder to cultivate and in extension way harder to find as a service that can be offered by a producer. Anyone can learn their way around sound boards especially these days, given the technology. What Rubin brings to the table though, very few can offer to the level he can, that too across genres.
Every time I open up the JRE and it's some genius or legend or damn interesting person like this, my heart skips a beat. I know we're getting 2/3 hours of pure conversation. Beyond anything else television or mainstream producers could possibly give us, and worth every penny for Spotify.
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Lol
Yeah, it’s truly amazing, it’s hard to comprehend how rich and abundant and expansive are those inteviews
I couldn't handle the fact that Joe decided to talk about comedy in the first 50 minutes of the podcast. It was so incredibly frustrating. You have Rick Rubin on and you bring up comedy.
@Late Notice No he still has good variety lol. He literally hasn’t had a hunter or military on in the past 20 episodes.
Jay-Z is Not from this planet! How! Is it possible to make some of THE most iconic Lyrics on the fly?!?! That's astonishing! What an awesome interview! Rick Rubin is THE GOAT!
you should see him do it in real time in the fade to black documentary. rick was blown away
Straight up this is the interview I've been waiting on right here
It really is a shame that recording studio sessions aren't filmed a lot more. I'd love to see the process of entire songs and albums being made. Like, imagine if there was footage of the full recording sessions for The Marshall Mathers LP or GKMC. It's an important part of music history that just isn't being preserved.
Much of it isn’t done in studio sessions lol
I feel that the documentary style filming of albums or other events has to be recognized early on by the artist to be done successfully. Albums like GKMC and Marshall Mathers EP are genius, but those are the first albums from two GOATS, how were they supposed to know how it would be received by the people? Albums like Jay-Z's The Black Album is different because he "knew" that'd be his "last" album, so he recorded the process.
@@kareem8064 MMLP and GKMC aren't their first albums.
Did you see the Rick Rubin documentary a couple years back? A lot of behind the scenes recording showing the process as well as the fires that hit the area.
@@doodlebug7817 what's it called?
Rick Rubin is a true legend! Everybody knows what he did and how he changed the music industry!
This is fascinating to hear about these artist’s processes and amazing gifts of talent
This the testimony to the magic of song writers/musicians. I come from a very musically intuitive family...and sadly it skipped a generation with me. So I totally admire and appreciate the mental geometry of these artists. Rick's talent is just as mystical....and he seems to handle tapestry very well.....soft spoken....sincere...and gracious. Music is a language that is universal and a bit humbling......a big THANKS to all these special beings. Love the channel.
he's definitely the master of minimal yet game-changing input. for example the soundtrack he put together for Less Than Zero, something no one else would be daring to do back in 1987. combining Roy Orbison, Public Enemy, Slayer and The Bangles is the ultimate definition of eclecticism and while still being a bit messy, it already shows what he'll be up to in the future
It sounds like he gets imposed on stars, doesn't really do shit, and takes the credit tbh.
I love the way this dude talks about music, he’s like a music shaman
Bruh he looks like a shaman
The sheer amount of artists he's worked with. I was checking his list and checking it twice.
fuckin Santa Claus up in here
Did you decide whether he was naughty or nice?
Jo Po is coming to town
THIS is the interview I've been waiting for 👏
This was the best JR interview ever- so inspired and inspiring❤
Joe needs to get Jay-Z on the show now!!!
He's need to have Dr Claud Anderson first
Ask him how Epsteins island was
@@Bojuh Don't need to. It was great.
@@DannySullivanMusic so the opposite of your music career
That would be a fascinating episode.
This pod was sooooo good. I learned so many things about music I have loved for basically my whole life. “Let me clear my throat!”
I could listen to Rick for hours. GREAT interview..please bring him back often. He's a very important cultural treasure ;-)
Mr Rubin is a living legend. He's definitely one of the early Hiphop architects.
No he's not, stop it... he's an awesome producer, not a Hip Hop, Rock N Roll or Pop architect, he just produced for mostly all genres.
@@daporkoil1 I thought he was around during the early Run DMC and Def Jam days? That's why I thought he was a architect. I'm not trying to spread false info.
@@daporkoil1 you don't know anything. Rick rubin founded def jam records in his dorm room at new York university. He and the beastie boys use to throw wild parties in the dorm. The first act Rick signed to his label was tla rock and jazzy Jay "it's yours", then he got the beastie boys to join, and then ll cool j. Rick was the man behind the scene with Russell Simmons and they produced those classic ll cool j, beastie boys, and public enemy albums. So yes, Rick rubin was a pioneer of 80s hip hop.
His work on 'Blood Sugar Sex Magik' alongside engineer Brendan O'Brien and on Tom Petty's 'Wildflowers' was truly incredible production
💯 Wildflowers has to be my favorite sounding record for acoustic instruments, so so good!
I had no idea he produced Wildflowers. That’s one of my favorite albums.
Favorite Tp album with she’s the one too. My friends mom took away his wildflowers CD cuz she thought he said “You Erect Me Baby”
@@illrobbzilla 🤣 hilarious
Brendan O'Brien is an absolute beast in my book. Stp and pearl jam.
Dude was there when Johnny Cash recorded Hurt. This dude's an absolute legend
He's the one that suggested the song to Johnny.
Ahh but Trent birthed it.
@@notyetskeletal4809 WE KNOWWWWW
@@HammerLeaf Yeah, their version is the original song.
@@HammerLeaf I think you are being sarcastic. Please be genuine while on the internet.
Really cool conversation. This whole chat with Rick Rubin was really inspiring.
Incredible that one man has worked behind the scenes with so many top tier artists all throughout so many different genres of music.
Always love listening to Rick. He's a total legend!
Anthony Keidis coming up with genius lyrics like, “ding dang dong ding ding dang dong”
Yeah that is a real dinger that line. That one is justified as fleas young daughter liked the line as it was, so it was kept in for the record.
Irony is RHCP could survive replacing any other member. Anthony's lyrics fit perfectly with the vibe even if all he's saying is ding dang dong. He's also pitchy live, but sounds phenomenal in the studio cuts. It's funk /rock band...
@@Muskieangler you seriously believe they could work without flea? you joking?
RHCP hasn't had any sort of groove in over 20 years. It's basically James Taylor on Xanax.
@@adamkhan1480 Yes tons of people can play funky bassline scales. There's only one Anthony Keidis.
A living legend here. Rubin is responsible for so many of our favorite songs an artists and most don't even know his name. It'll be a sad day the day this one goes.
Soooooooo interesting. Thank you for this dialog!! My fav kinda convos… how artists create!!!
I really like this interview. What Rick describes here about putting a song/lyrics together like a puzzle, and not necessarily knowing what it means until the song is done - or even until years after (because it comes from the subconscious) is exactly how I've been writing my poetry over the years. I also take a similar approach to my songwriting (hobbyist producer).
I would just get an inspiration, put pen to paper and let it flow - sometimes a piece of me would interject and say "no, you need to have that word here, it needs to be *this* way" even if the word was something that didn't really make sense at the time.
I would often have some idea of its meaning to me once it was finished, but now even years after I go through some of them and find that they relate to my life, Self or understanding in an overarching way that I never would have been able to piece together at the time I wrote them.
It's cool to hear the process wasn't unique and is something that other, even world-famous, artists use in constructing things the way they do.
Yes, Jordan Peterson mentions this is the big difference between art and propaganda. Art is created without knowing the outcome
@@jaredmello I like some of what Jordan Peterson says, and though I can agree that the quote you shared certainly applies much of the time I wouldn't say all of the time - at least not insomuch as where the two intersect in favor of....
Wow, you know I suppose it is true - though not necessarily with negative connotations.
Any art created with an intended outcome *is* propaganda, even if it is propaganda by the artists with a purpose to create a positive reaction - it is still propaganda.
No escaping that one without mincing words I think.
Thanks for the (shared) insight.
@@anotheratreyu742 anytime, I appreciate you sharing your honest thought process
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Listening to Joe's guest speak about the creative process of these artists is nothing short of fascinating
I don't know why everyone is so astonished at people's creative process I could come up with a rhyme just completely off the top of my head here we go here we go there was an old lady from Kalamazoo she could never fit into a shoe oh yeah this is easy I don't see what the big deal is
Joes guest lol like you aren’t talking about Rick fuckin Rubin
Rick Rubin is a lot more noteworthy than Joe Rogan lol. I mean it’s not even a contest.
“Joe’s guest” that’s motherfucking Rick Rubin, he is a music legend.
@@arlen9190 now do it for 26 years with 13+ albums almost each debuting #1 with avg 15 tracks/album & your coming up with stuff on top of your head that is better than 95% of the guest on the same track but they're writing & taking more time (and they're considered legends as well) 💀💀💀 there's LEVELS TO THIS no wonder u don't get it
It’s insane the resume of people he has worked with. The best in every genre. Incredible how little credit he gets. Absolute legend.
Undercredited???? He's " Rick Rubin" . What credit do you feel he's not received , exactly ?
He has actually taken credit on numerous albums for things he shouldn't have been credited for
Yeah he’s not definitely not underrated or anything
i just found out who he was 10 min go
Everyone knows rick rubin if you're somewhat aware of producers. He's notorious.
At this point many different artists have pointed out Jay-Z's genius. I think he is an unreal artist.
HOLY SHIT THE GOAT ON THE PODCAST
THANK YOU JOE ROGAN, RICK RUBIN DESERVES ALL OF THE RESPECT THE REST OF THESE HIP HOP ARTISTS GET
Jay Z is anointed.
@@totalfaith4375 goat status
As a musician I love listening to Joe talk about music.. its like being able to listen to all the fans who don't know the in's and outs of music..just pure fan boy stuff .. love it
As someone who goes through a similar process in mathematics-related problem solving... There seems to be a lot more at play under the conscious level that people like Jay Z and Anthony Kiedis are tapping in to. A wholesome description is lacking, but my best way of phrasing it is that when faced with a complex problem or sense of expression the creative or computational genius (in the old Latin meaning) comes to the forefront and presents itself. While we can maybe think of five to seven solutions at the conscious level there seems to be an order of magnitude more solutions/expressions that are boiling underneath the surface and few are lucky enough to have those come to the forefront and reach the conscious.
Ok
David Lynch describes this as catching the big fish. You gotta be able to go deep, much deeper than most people have the time or ability to go.
Rick rubin is what a producer should strive to be. Jay-z is so amazing with his lyrical talent. He is the best rapper of all time to me
2pac is tge best rapper. You kid
@@o2kcrrapper Jay got the edge but overall artist Pac if you know
@@o2kcrPac isn’t a top 10 rapper. Maybe he’s the most overrated ever. He couldn’t touch Biggie, Nas, Kendrick, Andre 3000, Earl, and plenty more. I’ll never understand the Pac love.
Jay Z and Lil Wayne are the most impressive *major* recording rap artists in the modern hiphop history. Wayne specifically fascinates me because on the cover he comes off as an airhead, frankly speaking. But then you learn about his recording style and realize that one of his simple, borderline stupid lines in a song, is not only a triple entendre but also a call back to multiple previous lines. As someone that personally absolutely sucks at poetry, I have an immense amount of respect for people who can use their words like that.
What is the specific line being referenced?
Nas is right there as well. He’s very brilliant
Watch Harry Mack!
There's a reason Lil Wayne has the respect of every single hip hop GOAT
i dunno i never got lil wayne nothing he comes out with blows me away.
Rick Rubin helped a lot of bands to create their own sound, bless him.
Two of the greatest rappers and two completely different approaches. Amazing 🔥
Can’t get more legendary and humble than Rick Rubin! He’s the real MVP in the music Bizz! We owe so much to this man! So much respect for staying good and keeping it real! Nothing but compliments for this man’s mouth.
Every creative person's writing process is different but the Keidas type of piecing together the puzzle with high points is probably the most common for screenwriters, novelists, songwriters, etc.
Amazing insight. These musicians are truly geniuses. They have really been blessed with a gift.
Its just so incredible that today people kinda let Jay's wealth overshadow his rap career, when he is an absolute genius behind performing and writing. It's actually crazy how talented he was/is and how much he achieved all around.
That's the only thing that matters when judging music to me.
Adrenochrome is a helluva a drug.
@@nickforsythe6379 daaaaammmmnnnnn 💀💀💀💀
One of the coolest clips I’ve ever seen. Creativity is dope.
The fact that Rick rubin is a super fan of professional wrestling was the most mind blowing thing I learned about him in this interview lol
Dudes front row behind the announce table area for every wrestlemania
Rick has lived one of the most unique lives ever. Incredible is such an understatement.
Jay-Z used to go from NY to NJ on the train, and he would have things to write his lyrics on during the train ride. He started to have so much to write that he ran out of things to write on, so he would just practice remembering sentences at a time, to the point where he scrapped writing it down and would just remember everything. That was the start of his process.
Yes. Jay-Z has lines already imprinted in his head. He pulls them out and makes songs with him. He's not making up lyrics on the spot
Is that where “blueprint” came from?
@@JS-hn5ld no the blueprint was more about showing how his rap career and business mogul side had met at the top and for anyone trying to take his place on the top he had already laid out the theoretical “blueprint” for up and comers through his music and way of life. “The blueprint” was his way of saying study what I did and you’ll unequivocally understand how I got here and how you could do it to.
LoL! Where in the world did you get that story? The only person who could tell that story is Jay-Z, since he was the one on your supposed train.
99 problems was Ice T’s song. Jay game him no credit and Rick Rubin is just a snake here.
I love hearing about the process of artists from other brilliant minds. Thank U.
We love you guys. You are both legendary.
thanx
Rick rubin be like the god from family guy literally
😂🤣
Great answer, love this bit of insight from behind the scenes
Seeing this, i agree 100%, some things are said out of opinion, but the things rick rubin says are the way of nature, and yeah its magic when you hear a beat and start flowing with a rhythm or a rhythm with words attached along it feels great
Wish Anthony Kiedis would do JRE
Rick Rubin and Russell started the first rap label. This dudes a living legend. Jay said it himself. “Y’all record I RECALL cuz I really been their before”. Em is a samurai who’s constantly sharpening his sword so he can decapitate you when he needs to.
#grasshopper808
And def jam would be nowhere without russel.
@BOBBY ILLMATIK You’re technically right but it wasn’t Punk rock that made Def Jam the musical juggernaut it became. It was Rap music. Remember that.
You have a little glob of Em goo on your cheek, wipe it off
@@crackheadbiden7269 Dont forget a lil metal band called Slayer, which is even more nuts that one of the biggest hip hop labels of all time had and produced one of the big 4 of metal and some of the more respected metal albums of all time.
Thanks for the video
Also Jay Z explained how he came to be able to do that. He would have rhymes in his head back from his time spent dealing and he wouldn’t have anything to write his rhymes down on so he just started to memorize them and that led to him just making up things entirely in his head.
ya. its called autism
Lyrical exercise
Exactly You’re a person who pays attention and actually listens to ..
I think JayZ spent more years Not Dealing than dealing. Almost to the point of why even bring it up anymore? 30/40 yrs ago let it go. His writing process is much more interesting topic, lol 🤷♂️😅
@@horatioh2020 ? That’s not even my opinion or me bringing up a whatever. That’s actually Jay’s own explanation. He’s not ashamed of his past. No one else should be either. So there’s not really a problem bringing it up.
I have always wonder about the different creative processes, Rick explained it really well. I could never really get my head around artists that don't go in without a plan lyrically, but work something up in the moment. That Chili peppers example is probably what I always thought about them as their lyrics always seemed so random, because they are.
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Song exploder is a great podcast about this. You should hear about Rivers Cuomo's crazy excel sheet process.
Eminem's rhymes have deep roots... I'm still figuring out puzzles from songs of his that have been out for over a decade...
His shit is not that deep lol
Deep no but great word play lupe is deep
Everyone's definition of deep is different because of their perspective of the word. Lupe "deep" is his message. Eminem's "deep" is the 2-3 meanings within the couple of sentences he puts down. Both amazing writers, but when it comes down to it, Lupe doesn't hold a candle to Eminem. He even said that himself. 🫡
@@Godzgeneral07 gtfoh show me where Lupe said that. I already know who I'm talking to so I won't debate you on hip hop you probably only listen to Eminem. Eminem isn't top 5, top 10 yes but I get at least 5-6 ppl ranked ahead of the white boy from Detroit. Eminem ain't better than any of the goats that's Jay Nas Big & Pac. Don't even mention his name with any I just named. I won't even reply to Hov & Nas hate. Show me you're a casual when it comes to my culture.
@@Juscallmemav Em stans think wordplay is some new thing Eminem just invented in 2010 lmfao
Wow I wanna see this full episode!
~Great Interview
Rick Rubin is like a wizad 🧙🏼♂a true Music Producer legend.
in all seriousness what good music has he been involved in? Ok so I just looked up what he worked on- I see Johnny Cash on the list but I bet that was pretty limited. Otherwise it is all pure poisin to the cullture
Biggee Smalls was the same way, had the lyrics in his head. Biggee was impressed with Jay z because they both used the same process to make music, off the dome.
😮😮 I hope you released it
Ya man this is a amzing 5 minutes to watch. Any real music artist who writes or raps needs to watch this guy in the Grey Beard shout out Mr Rubi. Thanks for the amazing story’s and the knowledge you just shared.
Rubin also funded an old-school southern pro wrestling promotion. A true renaissance man!
This an instant classic!🔥💯
non-musicians perception that he does nothing makes him even more elusive. This guy is the real deal. Just the way he thinks and articulates the musical ideas, shows how much he really knows about putting together a good record. Bravo
When Rick Rubin talks, you listen. An absolute genius.
He even wears the headphones like a producer 😂
This man is one of the most important personalities in music. I don't think anybody else has been involved in the making of the biggest musical acts of 3 different genres
Its almost like they impose him on talented musicians to control them.
@@sharkarkheart9085 who’s they
This was one of the best podcasts with JRE in some time. And there are a lot great ones.
The way he describes how Anthony writes is exactly how I thought he must write after having first listened to his lyrics back in the day. Good to see it confirmed.
Rick is a legendary producer and one cool dude!
I always was waiting for Kiedis to be on the show, not because I am a super big fan or particularly interested in what he has to say, just because Joe Rogan and Anthony Kiedis in one room would be the ultimate meetup of "California Dudes".
Joe Rogan is from New York and lives in Texas...
Lmfaoooooooo 😂😆😆😂
Joe Rogan ain't no California dude "bro".... Lol
Joe is from Boston area
I know where he is from. Doesn't change that all his mannerisms, his way of talking, his personality and so on are cliché old school Californian. He is like a Red Hot Chili Pepper song turned flesh, which is why I would like to hear him talk to Kiedis. The only thing missing is that he doesn't surf.
Little known fact that Kiedis is actually was actually born in Seoul to North Korean defectors. They were hunted down by the state and gave Kiedis up for adoption before they disappeared without a trace. This backstory was the inspiration for the song ‘Hump de Bump’
I would love to be in the studio and sit back and watch all these guys work
It’s only one Rick Rubin……..
Man is a absolute legend.
Also fun fact. Jay Z process came from when he was on the block selling work.
He would do the songs in his head. Legendary.
Its not fun. Not at all
Why do people have to Mention "Dealing" when commenting on Jayz Talent? It's like always saying, Em can rap but he is a crack/drug addict 😅
Rick is one of a kind. He is the man for a whole generation. EVERYONE one of us. Amazing. The BIGGEST music stars. Plain and simple he is the music god
Not really the music god
Where can I find the whole thing for this? Sick of seeing clips when Ruben's on we gotta see all it!
Rick is the man!! A inspiration to all that loves music 💯
craziest thing about Rick is he’s such a staple in music but he doesn’t even play any instruments 😭 what a goat
Well, I agree no instruments, but he was the DJ for Beastie Boys. So, turntables?? Legend...
He plays guitar, albeit not very well technically. He was in bands in his youth.
I doubt he does any mixing or mastering either. He's just a guru guiding these bands and musicians. He probably knowa what to do to get the best out of them.