Canon R7 Mark II Rumors and Speculations! Stacked Sensor?
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- I discuss the rumors of the R7 Mark II and detail my thoughts on whether it really could have a stacked image sensor. I talk about what I think its resolution might be and why. I'll also go into where I think a camera of this type will probably be priced.
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I gave up with that rumour site years ago waiting for the 7DMK3 that never happened. I did get the R7 it's good but yes rolling shutter is the bad you detail it perfectly. It will do for the moment still get nice images and works well with my nice old lenses. I'm also hoping on a Nikon stacked apsc and it would likely be a more feature filled camera than a Canon based on the past (7DMK2 vs D500). So faced with a choice I think Nikon may still get my money this time whether it's apsc or FF because the Z8 is looking too tempting.
When the Z8 came out it was one of the very few new releases that peaked my interest.
Agree, I wasn’t so heavily invested in Canon I’d be buying the Z8 now that Nikon has some fantastic light weight Wildlife and Sports lenses, unlike Canon or Sony for that matter 😉
It would be GREAT if Canon makes the R7ii the R7 bird shooters were hoping for from the beginning. Faster sensor and processor. Blackout-free, faster EVF. (A higher res EVF would be nice, too.) Bigger buffer. Those would likely fix all that ails the R7. We certainly don't need MORE resolution -- because we don't want more noise. We can dream. (But I suspect Canon has other projects in mind.)
OMG Phil ! Truer words have never been spoken ! LOVE my two R7's as well, but they definitely need some improvements, and a stacked sensor might be freaking fantastic ! But at the very least, if they just sped up the readout speed a lot. Like as fast, or a bit faster than the R5. Considering that camera is 3 yrs old, this doesn't sound like an unreasonable request to me. If they dropped the mp's by any at all though, I'd be completely bummed. I sometimes need to crop a lot. Even using a 1280mm equivalent combo.
I understand the need for improvements on the R7, but I wouldn't give Canon carte-blanche on the price tag. I've enjoyed the R7 and use it probably more than my R-5 because of the reach with the 100-500 lens. It has always given me great photos and was much more affordable than my R-5. Also, a bit bummed about the R-5 never getting any upgrades just the promise of a newer version at a higher price. The R-5 owners have gotten a raw deal in my opinion.
I’ve just picked up an R7 while on holiday in Nevada, I’m from the UK and saved £500 on uk prices. If the MKii is available by next August 2025 I will be buying one. The R7 is an awesome camera for the money.
@@markgilder9990 congratulations on your new camera!
This would be great. I will not get too excited too soon. When I moved to Sony I got away from the waiting for Canon to get with the program. As far as rolling shutter. Not an issue for me with my Sony A7RIV which has even slower readout. I just shoot in bursts 2-4 for BIF per burst so no issue.
Phil, your thoughts are very interesting. I’m still not sure if 24 MP would be enough for me, however if it were done I would consider a R7 II.
Canon could keep the body the same, but adding the ability to purchase a battery grip would definitely win my support.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Phil. I got into bird photography and acquired an R7 when it first came out. I've enjoyed the camera ever since, but have bumped into the R7 issues that you mentioned. Meanwhile, I have been anxiously awaiting the R5 Mk II. Now, with this new R7 Mk II rumor, I have something else to consider. However, as with all Canon rumors, I try mightily to temper my expectations. I would probably bite at a newer version of the R7 if it has the improvements you mentioned, even at $2500. But, I also see myself succumbing to the allure of a full frame Canon camera in the future. Can you direct me to the nearest poor house?
Hi Phil, indeed giving the R7ii a faster sensor with less rolling shutter and more consistent AF is a must for a next R7. Giving it a stacked sensor sounds like the ideal solution to achieve this this. The OM-1 actually has about the same pixel density as the R7, so I would hope the resolution would not decrease much below the current one. And I'd also hope the R7ii gets a CFxB card.
But I don't expect such dream R7ii to be already released before the end of the year.
When the R7ii does come like this, I may well decide (in a few years) to get the R7ii for birding and keep my R5 for landscapes instead of swapping the R5 for the R5ii ..
That's a good plan!
@@PhilThach heheh, but my friend from Tennessee (who's getting married in about half a year) told me a few days ago the 200-800 doesn't resolve well on the high pixel density of the R7 🤔 so he's putting some shade on such plan ;-)
Maybe you can invite him on a live, and then I'll wait and see who wins the discussion 😛
I would love an R7 with stacked sensor too! First problem? How much are people willing to pay for a crop sensor camera? 2nd problem from Canon’s point of view, increasing specs/price will cannibalise R8, R6, etc
Ask Fujifilm users... they pay a lot.
Fuji has only APSC sensors in the portfolio: who would buy a R3 if the R7 had a stacked sensor? And the price would be 1.000 $/€ higher (I guess.. 🙂 )
@@BrasilOO7 Plenty of folks like to buy a cropped sensor camera to go along with their FF camera. There is always a big difference in IQ between cropped and FF.
@BrasilOO7 The R3 is only 24 MP and has another use case. Putting a stacked sensor on an R7 would make it the true 7D replacement that everyone thought it would be.
@@BrasilOO7 ... and "digital" medium format.
I chose the OM1 over the R7 for exactly those reasons. The stacked sensor on the OM1 virtually eliminates rolling shutter, warping and EVF blackout.
I’ve got the R5. Total weight is important to me. I’m not getting the new 200-800. I realized recently that I can potentially get more reach in the camera, so I’m waiting to see if the R5 ii has improved the crop mode. If not, I will just hold until the R7 ii is announced. I shoot with the RF 100-500, so my next upgrade will be the camera. If canon doesn’t get moving here, it will be tempting to look over the fence at Nikon soon!
It has literally been over 2 years since Nikon has introduced a new FF sensor.
I'm a Nikon shooter but I agree with you on the R7 II. There's a few drawbacks to mirrorless cameras compared to a DSLR. A DSLR has an optical viewfinder so there's no screen blackout in burst mode. Rolling shutter isn't an issue. The focus tracking was better until recently when mirrorless finally caught up. Until the single sensors are fast enough, I think they should put stacked sensors in their pro and semi pro bodies. We're hoping for a d500 replacement on the Nikon side. People were wanting a z90 like the z9 but I think it will more than likely be a z80 like the z8. I think it will have 33 mp with a stacked sensor. I have a z6 II and I love it. I recently bought a z8 and it is an amazing camera. Especially after this latest forbear update. Competition drives innovation so we all need each brand to push the envelope on technology. Every brand keeps raising the bar and we benefit from that. Focus tracking, no rolling shutter, no screen blackout are all big things for me. I'm a hobbyist but I do occasionally do things for the public to help pay for some of my gear. If I was a working photographer I would only buy what I needed but as a hobbyist I buy what I want. I have a good job, I'm single and my kids are grown. My money is my money. If I was still shooting Canon I would want a stacked sensor in the next R7. I'm pretty sure if they don't and Nikon comes out with one that does it will cause some people to be upset with Canon. I know I'd be upset.
I agree with all of this except the part about no blackout with a DSLR. Every shot has blackout as the mirror that guides light to the OVF moves out of the way and allows the sensor to make a shot.
@PhilThach true but it's brief. It's more like a flicker. You don't have complete blackout. That was one of many reasons for me to buy the z8.
I bought into the Z system which I like, but I think I’ll jump into the R7 II due to the great Canon glass my wife has. With my stacked sensors I see no issues. Thanks Phil
Agree with you on the R7 issues. Rolling shutter is bad , especially hummingbird in flight. I hope they make stacked sensors at 32 mp for R7 II. I use R5 most of the time especially with the 200-800.
Just talked to my wife about a new Canon aps-c camera that would be great for our wildlife photography. The R7 II would be great; I would not Mind if they changed the two weeks on thee back of the camera to something simpler and more effective, so we can keep it similar between bodies. Good video, Phil 😊
I agree…I’ll be disappointed if the r1 is low mp… having had a couple of 1 series bodies and now r3.. I’d like a high mp r1 .. but maybe a choice in one body.. say 50mp… raw…and 24mp… high speed 40fps raw cont. I just love the feel of my 1dx mk ii… but the r3 is technically miles ahead… I’ll probably get a r5mk ii otherwise…we don’t need another 24mp camera….also so many rumours it might come down to availability… going back to Africa in September if nothing happens by then I’ll probably get a second hand r5
The rolling shutter is only an issue if you use the electronic shutter. I decided to use the electronic first curtain option to eliminate that problem and reduce the fps to about 8 fps. That maximises the number of keepers. However it’s not much of an improvement over the 90d come to think of it.
But slapping so hard it might knock the camera out of your hands... Or so loud it might wake the neighbors, is only a problem with the mechanical shutter 😀 lol
Of Course I'm being a little facetious, and you can see my response above that I love this camera so much, I bought two of them > and sold my R5 ! But I never use the MS. When I first tried it, I thought surely it was broken ! But nope. They actually designed it that way !?
I'll be on the pre-order list.
The R7 should be closer to a R5 M2 with a crop sensor.
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Phil - I would add to my prior comments - better weather sealing from Canon, including IP certification like OM systems does. Canon, Nikon and Sony say their gear is weather resistant, but if you take it out in the rain, even light rain, and water gets in, they WON'T cover it under the warranty, which is misleading and false advertising on their part. Disgusting really.
Oh I heard. 😆 I will be getting it if it lives up to these expectations. I use the electronic first curtain. I wish I could use the electronic shutter. Doesn’t bother me. The auto focus is annoying at times though.
This is worth waiting for! I wonder if they will make a R10 mark II for a more budget friendly option
The rolling shutter and warping isn’t the biggest deal to me, but it is certainly noticeable in specific shots (though not all), so it’d be cool if we got this resolved. I’d also personally want to see a faster autofocus system, something on par with the R6 Mark II or more directly derivative of the R3. I would take these improvements over megapixels any day, as the 1.6x crop is enough for wildlife for me. I’d gladly take 24 megapixels or less just to have a faster sensor and readout speed.
I'm afraid the official "stacked sensor" status doesn't mean much anymore ... My old Sony A9 with a first gen stacked sensor blows both more modern "stacked" OM-1 and X-H2s out of the water ... The tracking of both cameras is so poor that it doesn't even come close to the A9 . Chances are the upcoming R7 II will have the same "alleged stacked sensor". I'll stick with my R7 for now which is awesome for still birds , which is 90% of the birds I often shoot. Great video Phil, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I like watching your videos and thank you for making them.
RUMORS are just that. I don’t see a R72 for at least 2 years. I hope I’m wrong.
I had an R7 and I didn’t think it was a great camera at all. The AF was hit and miss and more miss than hit. It didn’t control highlights well and the rolling shutter was terrible. I traded it after less than a year and bought the R6II to accompany my R5. The AF on the R6II is just incredible.
The R7 with its APSc sensor comes no where near the R5’s image quality, in my humble opinion.
I really hope Canon goes all in with the r7 even if it means a jump in Price. They need a real successor to the 7d
They just might follow in the the footsteps of the R6 Mark 2 sensor with a faster readout speed and save the Stack sensor for the R7 Mark 3 ? We now know the R5 Mark 2 is going to be 45 Megapixels and I think the R1 will be between 36-45 megapixels personally having a totally new sensor design 🙏🏻
Very good explanation about R7 rolling shutter and focus problems problems I'm into bird photography and I would buy a R7 MK II with a stacked sensor, even at $2000
Thank you!
R7 came out mid 2022. 2 year refresh cycle seems short but they did it with the R6.
It would be nice if they put a stacked crop sensor in a R6MK2 body which will make it battery grip compatible without needing to create a new grip. But honestly I've been waiting for the R5mk2 so I'll keep my R7 for now if they do decide to make a R7MK2.
If they were to pop up with an APS-C / Super 35 stacked sensor camera, it’d have a different name and be in a whole other category.
They have enough current APS-C bodies to cover the advanced prosumer all the way down to the bargain basement, so it’d make sense to make a new upper-tier body rather than a Mk2 of the R7.
And I’m enjoying my R7 just fine, minus the lack of an official grip option.
Very interesting. Enjoyed your take on this. Lots to consider.
I heard this rumour recently, and am also quite exited about the prospect of an R7 Mark II. I think that Canon should look to make changes to bring this APS-C camera into line with cameras like the Fuji X-HS2 (a very good APS-C camera). The EVF should be increased to be inline with other Canon models, so would expect this should be at least 3.68M dot, obviously a stacked sensor for all the reasons you stated, along with 1 x CF Express + 1 x UHS II SD card slots. This would put the R7 right up there with the best of them. As for the price, its going to be more expensive to make these changes, but if Canon do decide to go ahead with something along these lines, I'll be the first in the queue in the camera store. 🤞.................. Oh yes and forgot to mention, a battery grip as an add on accessory would be nice, (never understood why Canon didn't do one for the R7 ???????).
Like to see an APS-C Canon camera with an equivalent build quality to the R6 II. Won't care if it costs $2500 if it has a stacked sensor and the autofocus is equivalent or better than the R6 II. Not highly optimistic, though. Would Canon create an APS-C camera that potentially pulls away R3 or R5 II buyers?
R7II ideally - R3 body (integrated grip), same EVF and rear LCD screen (no top LCD screen). 24mp stacked sensor. Singular CFExpress type B slot. 24mp APS-C BSI stacked sensor. Same battery as the R3. Ideally, debut QPAF would be awesome, but unlikely. 2899 USD. Expensive, but it'd be a pro level APS-C camera from Canon, perfect for wildlife and birding photographers, which is its market. I know some wouldn't like the R3 integrated body shell, but it would help keep costs down by re-using parts. Same button UI layout as the R3, sans top LCD screen. The current R7 button UI layout is a WEAK spot for the camera and really makes it harder to use than it should be in the field imho.
I don't own a R7, but I did have a good play with 1 in store. I do own a R3. And it does everything right, except only being 24mp FF. 35mp would have been a better option for Canon.
At the moment i am more hyped about the R5 markii which will be an update for my 5D markiii ( a beast but i need to be prepared for the future ). I am happy about my R7 and even if there is not much resolution difference i am in no hurry to purchase it. But who knows if there is a lot improvement compared with the R7 i might consider it in the end.
I like my R7 but I also picked up an R6 ver1 and have to say I dont even think of reaching for the R7. If a new R72 came out I would be happy with a lower pixel count to make the ISO performance better. I feel like the R7 high ISO isnt really that much better than my old 7DII that is a 10year old camera. I will say though if an R72 came out and was priced anything over 1700 I wouldnt even give it a 2nd look. At that point I would choose a R6II for just a little more
Count me in as one who'd be disappointed by a resolution reduction! I have access to an R10 and notice the IQ difference when moderate or heavier cropping is required. If Canon can improve the readout speed to be comparable to or a better than the non-stacked R5/R6 (perhaps courtesy of a new DIGIC XI processor) while keeping or increasing sensor resolution, that would be an acceptable alternative to a 24MP stacked R7II with a substantially increased price tag, IMO.
Rumors for the R1, R5mk2 and R7mk 2 have been all over the place. I don't currently shoot Canon but I'm a big fan of the R3 body. I've been thinking if the current R3 was crowded out by the incoming R1, what if you greatly upgraded the R7's current 32-meg sensor and put it in the R3 body, minus a few things like eye-track in the R3 to bring the cost down to about three-grand? THAT camera would probably tempt me away from my current MFT system if there were improvements to the AF and the shutter-shock and noise of the R7's current shutter was eliminated. Just a thought but it would take this to move me away from MFT.
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not to be a Debbie downer or putting your video down, but those "reliable' sources" have been horribly wrong lately.
yes there were all from Nikon or Sony employees...🤪🤣😂🤣😂
Thanks so much for sharing another wonderful video like always 👍
I have a feeling they're going to give us a stacked sensor to alleviate the horrible rolling shutter, but do it in a 24MP sensor. Why Canon, oh why?!?!?
The question for me is how soon do I sell my R7? It was a large update from my 77D, but the odd out of focus and the loud mechanical shutter just irks me. I have chosen mechanical shutter irritation over rolling shutter irritation, but have it setup to quickly switch between the two options.
make them better and the price is going to go up that's a given! I always wanted a r5 mk 2 but I got a feeling its going to be out of my budget!
And those are the problems l am sure we all have with the original R7. The fact l waiting on the R5ii if it true about the 62mp sensor l won't need a R7ii as l can put in crop mode and still be happy enough with file size. Though l agree 24mp stacked would be better than the current 32mp l doubt they would choose to lower the mp on a mark ii. I believe the R1 would have lower mp than R5ii but agree they better to be same. Interesting times with very little accurate information.
I just tried the R7 for a month - I would be thrilled to see an R7ii as you described at $2499 with 24mp, more reliable AF on par with R8/R6ii, and a more pro-like body that accepts the battery grip. Easy trade in my mind to give up the 32.5mp for those improvements.
Action photos and warped images during panning make this not a great camera. Otherwise for general use, it is pretty good for less action images. What was the intent of this camera for what buyers?
i think the mark II of the OM1 will be much faster due to the memory chip they added. the mark i is already blazing fast trust me, so the new one is going to be a game changer, canon have to do so much to compete. yet i am not upgrading, LOL. but for sports photographers will, specially those who rely on pro-capture so much.
Canon makes their own sensors stacked and otherwise so it's in their best interest to make Tons of them to bring down the cost of production. So bringing a stacked sensor to their cropped bodies makes perfect sense. Also, the fact that Canon has the FF 200 800 while Sony and Nikon don't have that, well that's just more in favor in Canon. Put that on a stacked R7ii regardless of the MP count and folks would be loving it.
Need a third wheel dial on the R7 as well.
I wouldn't spent over $2,000 for an APS-C body only. Then I'd rather stick to the R10 (what Fabian Fopp recommends for bird photography)!
Sure it would be great to have the autofocus system of the R1 and R5 II in an APS-C body. But I'm still not ready for spending that much money for an APS-C body! 😇
waiting for canon to allow sigma / viltrox to sell RF lenses myself
Does anyone know if the R7 mark iI will be capable of automatic focus bracketing with flash? As a bug macro enthusiast, this function would be awesome. I am very jealous of Olympus OM system users having this already!
@@DWS123 I doubt it. Might be a good idea to buy a used OM-1.
I hate losing money on my R6 and R7 but I definitely would love upgrading to the R6 II and the R7 II. Maybe even the R5II if not out of reach price wise in place of the R6. Do you trade in your bodies or sell them some where? Thx for the news
I sell mine to Used Photo Pro.
That would be awesome!!!
fix also ISO performance? I don't think
still waiting for the r5 2 !!!!!!!!!!
Would any of these speculated changes help with low light noise? Or is that just a function of the crop sensor?
Lower resolution might help with low light noise a little.
Let’s hope it has a 3rd wheel too like r5/6 can’t stand the r7 layout that much got shut and nearly went to Nikon or Olympus
So your Canon R7 MKii on order then :)
Been shooting Canon for years and hoping for better equipment. Bottom line is don't count on it. Better to just swallow hard and switch .
R72 maybe in 2025. It's unlikely in 2024.
Canon won’t release a product that takes away market share from another one of their products. The rumered R7 mark ii is too close to the R6 mark ii for this to become reality.
Phil do you use the V90 SD card?
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I use the card I linked to in another comment.
Personally, I have been repeatedly disappointed by almost everything from Canon Rumors in the last 5 years. I don't give it much credence anymore.
Rumors are a waste, 90% end up being flase there is a lot better things to do in life then worry about rumors,, wait until the official release..
Do you guys think that the r7 mark 2 will have 4k 120fps???
That's an interesting question. The Sony a6700 has 4k 120fps so I'd say the R7 Mark II should have it if Canon wants it to compete.
@@PhilThach yeah and the Fujifilm xh2s also have 120 fps
So, it’s not really a rumor, but more of a prediction. As far as the stacked sensor goes. But, Fuji released an APSC stacked sensor camera at about $2500. It’s also only 24MP. So Canon can do it too. Will canon release an APSC camera with a stacked sensor? My prediction is no. But, they will upgrade the R7 at some point.
... well... actually the X-H2s is 26MP, but I hear what you are saying. The X-H2s has quite a bit "pro-sumer" features, though... higher resolution EVF, full-size HDMI port, a CFexpress type-B card slot, and a bunch of video codecs. Do you think Canon would be concerned about hurting R6mkII sales if they released a stacked APS-C sensor?
@@GrayGhostDog1 that’s why I don’t believe the R7 will get a Stacked sensor. They don’t want to hurt the full frame sales. May they’ll put a much faster non stacked sensor. You’re Correct the H2S is the top of the line Fuji X camera. So, I don’t think we’ll see that type of specs in an R7. But, who knows. The camera market is a strange thing.
idk, I think I need the 32.5 MP - I crop a lot - it's hard to get BIF action shots composed in frame in flight.
I hope the R5 MK 2 has the BSI Stacked Sensor though...
Just shoot the R5 mkii in crop mode.
That is a distinct possibility.
This would be very interesting for sure. What would the crop mode look like in the R5 ii?! If it’s decent, I’d have to consider it.that web a monster set up!
@@Kellysher I shoot in crop mode with the R5 regularly now. 1.6 crop factor. Leaves me a 22 mg. image, still droppable to 5 mgs. Helps with metering, auto-eye, and tracking. Program one button.
Where do you get 83 megapixel from?
APSC resolution X Crop Factor Squared = Full Frame resolution
@@PhilThach how did you come up with this formula?
Or: Who came up with this formula?
@@marvinlovenfeldt I learned it from Tony Northrup.
@@PhilThach Thank you.
R7 has bad rolling shutter, very poor buffer, not so great high ISO performance, very slow sensor read out speed at ~37ms. no CFexpress slot, no battery grip and poor button UI. EVF and LCD are average. The OM-1 outperforms it in every way. 32mp APS-C is also overkill, being equivalent to 82mp FF. I mean, people are saying 60mp FF is too much! A 24mp APS-C stacked sensor would be perfect. Faster readout speed, plenty of resolution, easier to manufacturer too.
If Nikon introduces a stacked APS-C before Canon, I suspect that they'll gain a fair whack of market share, especially for Canon users who only have a singular Canon lens.
As to Canon Rumours, the site is typically full of shit imho. Hasn't been reliable in years. Designed for clickbait ad revenue.
canon will never build a stacked sensor..............Thats a Sony thing
The EOS R3 has a stacked sensor manufactured by Canon.
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At least for a year if they can find FINANCIAL BACK UP otherwise NEVER and CANON WILL BE CRUMBLED!!! STAY TINE!!