The Last of Us HBO Episode 3 - Angry Review
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When the trap kills the one infected, Bill says "never gets old", indicating he's been dealing with lots of infected the whole time.
Plus he had the scanner so he's most likely either been out of town and encountered Fedra soldiers in the wild. He would have had to deal with an infected person to know how it works so he's also probably killed one in close range not just with his traps.
You sir, are a genius
@@ecfeclipse Yes exactly, it was implied that he had dealt with Infected and also Fedra before.
Also that he finds is humorous every time.
lol this, people are like "If they didn't show us EVERY SINGLE ONE that means he only ever saw one!"
Why do people think that they only got attacked once? Do we need to see every attack? I only saw them eat 2 meals, but I assume they ate more than that over 20 years.
I never saw him shit either
@@twakilon 😂 extra run time
People obviously don't understand short stories and how they work lol. This episode is clearly a short story and, like you said, doesn't need to show every little thing that happened in 20 years. How often do we see people taking shits in movies? But we know they do indeed shit...because they're human lol.
@@twakilon lmao
They want to find a reason to complain. Remember Joe wouldn’t let go of the “Abby is trans” thing and made homophobic remarks?
I do not think we can say there was only one raid. I think they just only showed the one raid, and how effective his defenses are. That said. Why in the f*ck does Bill stand out in the open and shoot? That was more unbelievable than fungus zombies.
The man’s diet consists of meat and wine. He’s unstoppable.
His Ron Swanson manliness is a powerful shield against bullets. It's scientifically proven.
He has massive lights pointed at the fence, it's probably impossible for the raiders to even see where he is standing. But more likely, it just looks cool from a film standpoint for him to be standing in the street lol
There’s literal flames shooting at the raiders at the fence. They can’t see him trough the flames
I SAID THE SAME THING LOL
we've only seen the men eat two meals during the span of 20 years, but wouldn't it be safe to assume Bill and Frank would have been eating throughout the years? So with that being said, I think it would also be safe to assume Bill and Frank had to deal with raiders and infected on more than one occasion.
Yes. Alot of things can be implied. Especially with huge time skips. If Joe and Joe don't know that they should stop reviewing shows and movies.
I don't think a survivalist shoots attackers in an open street with no cover.
So i dont think they had to deal with raider because bill would get shot every time it seems.
I also love how Frank runs to help his boyfriend by taking the smallest gun they had , despite the basement has a wall full with big guns.
Who is writing this shit?
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Also good job ANGRYJOE calling people homophobic. Way to go, using the same rhetoric ING was using when you criticised TLOU part 2 the game.
Face it joe some people don't like weird sexuality displayed on TV screens.
We know Bill was gay. There was no need for a 20 year full love story.
Exactly they just don't have time to show every occurrence over the last 20 years.
@@thesnailiscoming..5736 that bugged me so much.. literally wall of cars piled up, i guess thats just for 1 raid and not what joel probably told and helped him to do it as bill trusted joel to take care of frank if hes gone
We eat food regularly that is common knowledge. But getting raided multiple times is not common knowledge. It needs to be told/shown that they've survived
multiple assaults.
Rest in piece Annie Wersching 🙏 💔 what a phenomenal VA and actress
Shut up skippy
No way 😢
Her performance as Tess in the game was fantastic. Thoughts and prayers go out to her husband and her children.
@@tmac326 yep she was battling canc**
Strange coincidence
Its implied when Bill says "it never gets old " when a runner dies from one of his traps that he regularly deals with the infected. There could also have been more raids from hunters that just isnt shown because the episode isnt really about that stuff . its about Bill and Frank.
Agreed. I think it’s really silly to want to see that stuff. Films get to cut out the boring stuff. Y’all really need a scene of them resetting traps to know they do that? You don’t think they do? Lol.
You proved the point in your first line😂😂😂bill said “it never gets old” yes we the audience also think that Bill we want to see more of that stuff, the emotional stuff is cool too but man this guy has his entire town booby trapped and we barely seen it
@@jacobmeglich6699 I think it is ok to want to see more of it, especially with such a cool actor playing Bill. Playtime in a movie or show is money, though. So I can accept cutting the expense of showing things like that in order to invest more budget into intense runner/clicker/bandit fights in future episodes.
@@mitchellbrinkerdp Yes! Context is king!
@@jacobmeglich6699 We saw like a dozen traps go off at various times, we saw infected and raiders turn up. Why would we need more of that haha? Just pause the actual storytelling for a bunch more shots of fire and heads exploding haha. This isn't Transformers.
Did you guys miss the big pile of cars stacking on eachother? I found it pretty obvious that they had being attacked more then once.
What a great actor Nick Offerman is by the way
Doesn't mean more than once. I'd expect several but the amount of groups with the numbers and arms to attempt it would dwindle fast. I'd definitely beef the defenses after the first attempt though.
the cars were gone when Joel and Ellie arrived, that was weird
@@jamentert3450 continuity error
@@jamentert3450 wasn't that due to joel supplying the wire fence? Since he said it had a year on it tops but he could get him spouls (?) of wire which will last him his entire life.
Maybe he redid the wiring. otherwise as combustion69 said, continuity error.
@@3217491 you can see him driving a green tractor with the forklift handles in an aerial shot when the little montage plays out
There's better ba a 5 minutes in each episode where Joel upgrading his gun on a random convenient workbench 😆🤣
I can do that in one minute on grounded difficulty. Upgrades don't mean squat when you have barely any ammo
I saw in another vid a comment, "Bill knew how to survive, Frank knew how to live" I think this encapsulates their relationship very well, and I love it.
And you can argue that there is a parallel with Joel and Ellie. Joel knows how to survive... and Ellie is full of life and wonder, despite her trauma.
@@KabukiKid that's kinda what the letter that Bill left portraits. And to tell Joel to protect that 🤗
Amazing way to put it.
Not really it doesn’t respect their personalities from the game at all and creates different characters
@@jackjohn4156 also does a disservice to the world and lore, because two people can live self-sufficient and easily defend against the infected and raiders, live comfortable lives, but entire organised militaries and milita can’t apparently, for some reason … but I’ve been told that apparently Bill makes good traps that can kill one infected at a time before needing to be reset and that explains everything and no further time is needed to explain anything so they needed to focus more on their relationship
Bill didn’t only have to deal with “one” runner. We only SAW him deal with one. He actually chuckled and said “never gets old.” Inferring it happens often.
I could guess similar for the raid. We only saw one, but they may have had more than one
Right ? I don’t understand them sometimes
@@mouadchaali7537Angry Joe and Crew and missing important fucking plot details.
Name a better duo.
@@NaeemTHM As much as I love their content I have to agree. They are very superficial in their critique and analysis.
@@NaeemTHM lol😂
No shit I’m sure they understand that simple point. I think they would’ve liked to see MORE than just one.
In the game, the outbreak also started in the food supply, albeit not flour and grain specifically. In the beginning of the game when playing as Sara, you can find a newspaper in Joel's house with a headline about the fungus contaminating crops on a wide-spread scale.
Spores is why it spread. Spores in warm areas like in buildings.
In South America btw
@@WllKiedSnake you are aware fungus spreads via fungal spores or do you not know what spores are.
And grain is a........................... crop.............
@Rump And fungus can grow in buildings. Like in the game. Because inside of buildings it is warm because of trapped heat.
I think we are purposefully not getting nonstop gunplay/violence because we are going to get that towards the end of the season. Though we see this world is brutal, we are mostly being shielded from the immediate violence by the storytelling. (We don’t see the two Firefly gun battles, for example.) This is to set up the devastating violence that will happen to lead characters later. Thus adding to their overall narrative impact.
you were right, episode 3 was needed so that episode 5 could be so violent
Yeah. We got that at the end of the season. For a whole 2 minutes. Soooo much action.
The "hehehehehehe" from the letter cracked my wife and I up! Says something about the character writing to get a good laugh from a suicide letter.
I felt like that was really out of place and didn’t make much sense, didn’t find it funny either.
Same we replayed it several times hehehehehehehehehehehe
@@YourDadYoda he basically has the actual laugh when he eats the strawberry
@@BigBampot I know, I just think the whole letter was kinda written childishly, I don’t believe Bill would’ve actually written a letter like that. Not even just the hehehehe part.
@@YourDadYoda yes he would’ve. He found happiness. He found purpose. He’s going to die. He has a morbid side. Doesn’t hurt to laugh in the most awkward of places.
This episode was a tough pill to swallow... But, they really crushed it in the end.
Nice one
I see what you did there.....
😂🤣
Swallowed it and would again if theres more of it; really embodies newer relationship mentality from this day in a apocalyptic sense
Boooo
If they can flesh out Henry and Sam like they did with Bill and Frank, it's gonna be rough seeing how their story ends.
That's what I want to see.
It's gonna be shocking and depressing so I'm excited to see how newcomers for last of us would react to that scene
I love their story, but if they both live or something dumb, I'm going to stop watching. This episode was already horrible, we didn't even get interactions with Ellie and Bill
@@v-izzle6440 horrible? What an overreaction. Bill was not an integral part of Ellie’s character development. It is not “horrible” if their interaction is taken out other than it’s not a 1:1 with the game.
@@v-izzle6440 this was the best episode so far wdym lol
Bill and Frank’s town not being raided as much or infected not appearing as much is kind of justified because of two reasons. The town is a on the country side where there is not a lot of chance of population being around as much. It also felt like really small town by the number of people FEDRA evacuates from the region at the beginning of their story. Fedra would have cleared up the other near by towns as well so less likely that infected would be around. Humans are also less likely to find their town because the town does not have any highways passing near by it. Joel and Ellie both take a small road to get to Bill and Frank’s which does not feel like an interstate or a highway. In the game Bill lives in a more city type region so it makes more sense to have infected there and not here. It also makes sense for the game because it gives the player something to do. The second reason would be because of the time jumps. They might have had previous raids as well but showing the raids for the sake of showing it to wouldnt really work for the story they were trying to tell i think. This could also explain why Bill got so cocky and didnt take cover while shooting at the raiders. Because in the supposed previous off screen raids the protected, electrified and apparently gasolined up fence would have taken care of a majority of the raiders and infected giving Bill over confidence in his ability to stop the raiders.
The point of the love story is to make audience feel that there could be love in an apocalyptic grim dark world like this as well. At the same time Joel understanding the same thing as well is important to the story. He needs to understand and realize that his failures to protect the ones he loved shouldn’t make him lose all hope and stop him from trying or atleast this story is supposed to nudge him ever so lightly toward hope and not despair. In the game (unless you go back to the place), Tess’s death was never really shown to be processed or grieved by Joel. While in the HBO series, Ellie stopping short of reading Tess’s name aloud from the letter, Joel walking out to take a breather all make Tess’s death feel much more impactful than the game.
In some ways the choices made in the series elevate the story even more than an already stupefyingly fantastic game.
Ummm...it would make sense not being raided much, however....that generator is calling everyone for 20 years😂😂
The love story is utter nonsense. They are basing the series on a game about a post apocalyptic world of killers and zombies where there is no love story. Nobody watching this show is watching for a love story.
It's as out of place as zombie horde in a sex and the city episode. I'm certain that wouldn't go down well either..
@@SueMyChin you missed the point. The episode is a stand alone. Walking dead has plenty of people getting together and falling in love in a post apocalyptic world. Do you have the same criticism there too? If you do than points for consistency. If not then it’s just nitpicking.
And lastly, the Entire plot of the Last of Us IS a love story. Joel learning to love Ellie as a daughter after closing his heart from loosing his own driving him to the point of dooming the world is a tragic love story. Did you not play it?
@@ShadowProject01 the walking dead runs over a hundred hours and is not based on a action horror survival computer game.
The Joel and Ellie relationship is not a romance love story. He's a 50 year old male and she's a 14 year old kid.
@SueMyChin then again we aren't playing the game. Anyone who wants that can watch someone do a run-through. I for one was not expecting gore and horror around every corner and was pleasantly surprised by this whole episode.
I loved the part in bill's note with the 'hehehehe'
lmao yeah that got a good solid laugh out of me because all i heard was Ron Swanson during that part.
For real so funny!!! Great acting
The entire episode could have been the note. Everything else was unnecessary filler.
One of the best parts of the episode
@@BaNgInHeAdS you could just play the game if you wanted a carbon copy of it lol.
I was really looking forward to seeing Nick Offerman (Bill) interact with Bella Ramsey (Ellie) as I thought the chemistry between the two characters in the video game was great. So I was a bit disappointed by them cutting that out from the show. I also felt like, because Bill doesn't interact with Joel or Ellie in the present, his character overall has less importance to the story. Nick Offerman was great as Bill, which only makes me more sad that we didn't get more time with him or have him interact with Ellie at all.
His story and letter to Joel completely contextualizes the story going forward.
Players of the game know what Joel is gonna do at the end. He will protect Ellie at all costs because he loves her. Exactly what Bill did for Frank
Absolutely, you could've shown a lot of that story between Bill and Frank still but keep Bill alive to interact with Joel and Ellie in the present and help them with the battery in the game. We could've had the best of both worlds--sticking to the game story and adding something new but this was way too unbalanced compared to the great job they did balancing old and new in the first two episodes. The story between bill and frank has nearly no impact on Joel and Ellie because they die before they arrive too. I mean, he could've voiced those same feelings directly to Joel at some point before they finishing getting the battery.
@PolishImpulse no, dude that completely undermines Bill's arc in this episode. Frank was his purpose, soul mate, etc. And would no way be able to live on after the love of his life left him.
@@josh043p6 the original story didn’t need that extra contexualizing. Everyone fully understood why Joel did what he did and didn’t need an hour episode to be like “oh I get it, Joel saved Ellie just how Bill wanted to save Frank”.
@@vidmasterK1 thanks for confirming that this episode was meaningless to the overall story
I actually wanted to see Bill doing his survival stuff more
Me too. That was one of the best parts of the episode. Unfortunately all survival/zombie (well, all that I can think of) do a quick montage of them building up defenses then it's like its completely forgotten about. They act like they put up a 20ft steel wall that will never need repairs or get broken down. This show showed a HINT of it with Joel mentioning how the fence won't last. I was hoping to see a second montage of building up the town, but with Frank included the second time around.
Yea instead of the gay stuff ... I don't care if they were they just focused way too much on it
@@GrimzReapr they didn't even focus on the "straight" relationship with tess & Joel as much as they did with Bill. It was like " this is a gay relationship so let's show this in detail so you can know"
Straight relationships I assume will be less shown compared to the LG stuff
i wanted to see him and ellie cursing each other out and why the f@ck would they cut out the Epic scene were Joel is hanging upside down shooting trying to save her while also being attacked .
Agreed I was way more interested in his surviving game over his lame romantic crap.
I like both versions in the game and tv adaption… overall the point of each Bill’s story was to show Joel that there is more to living then survival… the game version shows Joel not to become a bitter old person who shuts everyone out… while the tv show gives the same but while showing to have someone you love to bring your life meaning
Show him how? he didnt sit through this boring ep
@@declanosullivan8770 Lol right what was the point of this episode. At least when we meet him again in the future and ellie reminds him of his lover, make him have flashbacks and nightmares. Imagine the viewers feelings seeing how much not being with him is torture but because he didn't take his own life. We see how strong he really is emotionally. Obviously joel will be around to witness and even get a story out of him.
@@declanosullivan8770 best episode of the six so far.....
That letter was a significant point in the story… it resonates hard on Joel because he failed to protect Tess as he failed to protect Sarah his daughter. This will strengthen his efforts to do whatever it takes to not fail to protect Ellie!!
Did u play the game? He will protect her til the end, but I don't wanna spoil anything in case u didn't play the game 😂
THANK YOU
this perfectly sets up the ending and how Joel Will do whatever it takes to protect and save Ellie
He failed his daughter and Tess, so he won’t do it again
There was a letter in the game too, that does the same thing...
hmmm, so many focus on the letter. The letter is a problem for me because it's telling Joel how he should step up instead of showing him. He had so little screen time with Bill and Frank and I'm sure he feels the pain from losing Tess and Sarah without needing a letter to remind him. So much sh*t goes down in this story line that brings Joel and Ellie closer. This episode was for the viewers not the characters.
the letter that was "hey protect the people you love and stay strong - also I was weak and killed myself like a pussy"
that letter?
My only problem with this episode was that Bill trusted frank crazy fast ... it needed more than just a piano playing to trust a stranger and have him in your bed while he easily could have murdered you
Also much agreed. Their beginning relationship is extremely awkward. Frank took a huge chance just throwing himself at Bill when Bill is feeding him and helping him out despite telling him to get going after getting him out of the trap hole.
The fact that Joel and Ellie never see Bill or Frank makes it all seem counter-productive too.
Tess dies in a hurry, and then we go into all of this drama for Bill.
It's bad writing all over again. They could have still had the relationship and both of them dying, but tied it into the story at hand.
Bill was lonely and desperate inside, like most closeted gay men who hates the world lol. You can see it on his body language when Frank first kissed him its like he was desperate to be close with somebody.
@@drownthepoor 20 years is quite a long time, there will probably be more flashbacks with bill frank and tess
yeah, I think the point is he was so lonely and without a reason to live he was willing to take a chance. Was it stupid? Yes. But he couldve been on the brink of suicide or craziness if he kept on the way he was going.
@@SMac86 Well someone talks without playing the game
I loved the moment where Joel's so far gone that he couldn't even cry over tess, pedro is killing it
Agree
You love the moment where he didn't act?😂
@@Sal3600 "where he didn't act" yep, no even gonna argue with that one
His acting is very wooden. Hes just going through the motions
@@PenskeMaterial dog that's literally who joel is at the start of the game.
I 100% thought Bill would survive the 'poisoning' right up until the end so we could see him help Joel and bicker with Ellie, I was sad that didn't happen, but I found the episode moving and enjoyed digging into some Bill back story.
Yeah i totally agree. Really wanted to see the interaction between Bill and Ellie from the game. Kinda missed that
@Tomb bill wouldn't have bickered with Ellie, he would have sucked joel instead smh
I interpreted him leaving the assault rifle in the gas station as him believing he was going to come back for it when he returned to the QZ. He wasn't committed to taking ellie anywhere other than bills to drop her off to be someone else's problem and he thought he was going to go back to his old way of life...sans tess
I loved the part where Ellie presses a few keys on the piano and it kicks off the BG music, very nice touch
I actually thought Bill was going to survive the narcotics and get grumpy that he survived.
I would have mixed the two stories. Bill survives the suicide only to find Joel at his footsteps.
The gate is swarmed with infected and Bill ultimately gives his life up pushing the car telling Joel to get in. That he’s live the life he thought he’d never have… in doing so honoring his late husband by reaching out to others. He sees the strawberry field and smiles as he pushes.
A singular gunshot heard as the car rolls away to ignition
Yea much as people like the happy ending Bill got. I think not having Bill and Ellie meet was a pretty big downside. Their banter in the game was great. Could've kept Frank getting a happy ending instead of a sad one and still had Bill live long enough to meet Ellie.
I wrote a comment on a different video suggested a mix of the two stories also. Have to agree with myself again and you!
Yeah, I was surprised Joel did not reach Bill. Wish he was still there, just out of it and depressed but at that one last sprint he helped the two. Wish 15 minutes more was added to the show just to show him helping him and may be, he sees the light that you find something to fight for, your so so distant and only friends out there like Joel.
Also hoped during the Raid, when bill asked Frank to call Joel, there is a skip and he wakes up where Joel and Tess are there, helped Frank. Then a little banter that Bill owes Joel some "favors".
But overall, epi is great and still liked it!
This
A random comment on youtube has already improved this episode 100%
The point of Bill being reckless is that his character got progressed to being more protective of his loved one (Frank) than himself which is why he's literally risking his life to protect him
But as far as Bill was aware Frank was not in danger as he was inside and safe. There was no reason for Bill to be out in the open before he noticed that Frank was outside
@@Browncoatful If the fence were to break and the raiders got inside, neither of them would be safe
@@alien_liwil but how does standing in a wide open area shooting at multiple attackers make anyone safer? Bill certainly was not safer and he def would not be able to protect Frank if he is dead from making such a foolish mistake. Both the show and the game try to portray Bill as a badass survivalist....and a badass survivalist would know to use cover
@@Browncoatful He’s never gonna get it man. They have all justified the bs because they got their love story.
Nah, just LGBT Rainbow Unicorn agenda trash. Just pathetic.
What is impressive to me is that this episode was more like a separate movie. I also like how the episodes have different lengths.
It’s a post apocalyptic Up!
@FreeSpeech orDIE!!! if you havent played the games sure, it could seem that way. but if you have its a great extension of characters that we didn't know much about
It was originally even longer than the 1hr 12 mins
@@christianh2758 I haven't played the games but I still cried like a baby and loved every second of it.
It was impressive, but for the 3rd episode? It pulled me out of the whole Tlou vibe...
They only show us one runner, he pretty explicitly says 'never gets old' which implies he has been dealing with Infected. He is also a survivalist, not a soldier. He didn't want them shooting at the house his lover was in so he went outside.
that was still retarded that he went out in the middle of the street with a sniper instead of going in the house across the way and getting them
Great point
1st point stands. Survivalist know how to hide. You don't get smart enough to secure a town, survive for a decade on your own, understand firearms _and_ not know how to take cover. He could have went to a different house before shooting, they wouldn't know where he was until he shot. His gun of choice also didn't make sense given the distance...
Yet they are close to the city and when he actually fights, he goes full open. Meaning the bandits would have took him down already. So no your point is not good
I think it was alluded to in the show that Joel was who actually saved Bill, Bill told Frank to "CALL JOEL". They just didn't film Joel actually doing that, this is why Bill "owed Joel a big favor" which was never explained in the game.
I'm not so sure about that. The bullet went right through, so as long as the wound was kept clean, Bill would be fine without Joel. Besides it was the middle of the night. Do we think Joel would have been up and ready to deliver life saving supplies then? Even if he left 1st thing in the morning, it would still be a while before he got to Bill. Plus, I think Bill would have mentioned in the note something like "I never liked you, or even thanked you for saving my life that night...", but there was nothing. So I think the "Call Joel" line was Bill thinking he was too far gone, and that Joel was someone like him, a protector. He would protect Frank after he was gone.
I thought for sure they were going to use that as the set up of the favor Bill owed, either in that Joel helped save him OR that Joel came and protected Frank while Bill was recovering. Was sad to see they did not use that.
@@Browncoatful yup. Been waiting to hear about this "favor" that would make Bill in the game go into the most dangerous part of the town for Joel, when he even refused to do so for Frank. Very sad that was abandoned in the show.
It’s a dam good perspective though
Joel never knew about frank in the game until they found him hanging in the house
I liked this episode, it was done really well however I prefer the video game version of episode 3. Finding the clues to what happened to frank was so entertaining. The different traps and obstacles they had to do through to get the car was insane, it brought a lot of moment for character development and building more trust and father daughter relationship between Joel and Ellie. I hate how they just waltz on in and get a car. How was bill and frank supposed to defend themselves if it’s that easy to get in. Also why wasn’t there any signs of attack? Damage or burnt buildings when it cuts to 2023? They could have easily had frank mention that all his hard work repainting had been destroyed by raiders. Something to indicate that they’ve struggled a lot more as time has past. Also I felt really uncomfortable with the ex scene, it went on for too long. Just imply they’re doing it by them walking into the room together and closing the door behind them. I did not want to see their god dman chest hair rub on each other lmao.
Yeah, homophobic is supposed to refer to "fear". Uncomfortable by something is what fear is. Just like watching a ranchy scene with your parents makes you uncomfortable. Because of that, it's perfectly fine to FEEL uncomfortable by this stuff.
I only point this out cause people will try to demonize the claim of "don't make me watch this" as homophobic. You pay for entertainment, that means the goal is to pander to what is entertaining. If a medium pushes the boundaries to the point of making you uncomfortable in an unwelcomed way, then it's completely failing it's primary directive.
This is the ONLY episode of anything, any series, any movie, anything in ever, where I actually fast forwarded past some of the content. That's because my real issue with this episode. . . is that they made the characters even LESS important than they were in the game. Their entire significance to the plot could be summarized in the tea party flashback. That's it. Everything else could have been skipped with no significance lost. In the games, they mattered cause they gave you quests, objectives, interactions, banter. Here, they are nothing but a distraction from the plot rather than having an active role WITHIN the plot. That bothers me cause that means they objectively boil down to a waste of time. That's not fun for me, that's not what entertainment is. . . . that's what filler is.
I did some fast forwarding as well. The s*x scene made me uncomfortable as well. I feel it could have been done differently with the same effect.
@@HobanProductionSetting is setting, not plot. The plot isn't about random lives either, the plot. . . is joel. . . getting ellie. . . to his brother and then to the fireflies. It's about that specific journey. Anything that doesn't add to or advance a main plot is, by definition, filler. World building without touching the plot IS filler in the purest form.
@@HobanProduction Dissagree highly. Given that "filler" is an improper term and has no real definition, you default to the general 'connotation' of the word, meaning how people use it, and the way people use it is if an episode can be skipped, where nothing of "substance" (that being the keyword, as world building isn't that) would be missed, then it's inclusion can be written off as filler, as defined by general connotation of how the term is used in modern day. Now kindly please, step off necromancer.
@@HobanProduction seeing two hairy men laying on top of each other for 10 minutes made me uncomfortable yes. That’s because I’m not gay. If it was two beautiful women laying on top of each other for 30 minutes I would be so intently watching it lol.
It's a powerful testament to Nick Offerman's performance that he could make me see the soft side in a paranoid conspiracist prepper with a Don't Tread On Me poster. When he was struggling to be intimate, clearly emotionally overwhelmed and struggling with severe anxiety simply from being touched intimately, I FELT that, man. Beautifully well done. I did not expect to love Bill in this way. Frank was also just wonderfully played.
Yeah Offerman was brilliant. That first kiss told you everything about the character's pain, repression and sheer relief. Great performance.
Please ...no
I didn't like the episode - I like Nick as an actor, and his version of Bill works very well as A Bill - but, for me, it wasn't THE Bill I was hoping to see. That's not the actor's fault, but the way the script went in a new direction.
@@vercoda9997 Wanted to see a craggy, miserable sour Bill myself 👌🏻
Will Ferrell as Frank was good.😂
I really wanted the voice actors for Bill and Tess to play the television versions but now I understand why not. Rest in Peace Annie, she will always be the one and only Tess in my eyes. Had no idea she had been sick until she died. After watching last night not sure the VA would have brought that version of Bill out. Luckily we get to have both versions.
wow they really did not make this show for you, am i right?
I agree can’t believe they only had 1 raid just like they only had 2 dinners throughout 20 years
lolll
@@pontus.andersson holy shit 😧
Yes, I think it was well implied, including with dialog, that there were plenty of other raids and encounters over the years. I will give AJ the gripe about the survivalist running out in the open to shoot them as if the chain-link fence stops bullets...
Just because they show only one raid, doesn't mean they only experienced one.
Also wasnt worth it to give a gun (even a small one) to Joel for just one strawberry a piece.
If I wanted to watch 40 mins of two men being gay I would have watched broke back mountain
I didn't like that they deviated from the events of the game almost completely but it was done well. My biggest gripe was Bill standing in the middle of the road under fire as if he had a death wish.
It's almost like writers forget how to write when they get hung up on making the token gay couple work..
@@camendiv oh my god stfu if they were straight you wouldn’t bat an eye
@@camendiv don't be such a man child the episode was written almost perfectly, yes it wasn't full on action or Joel and Ellie heavy but it was bloody good TV and told a story of how you survive in such a difficult time
@@XxWolfxWaRioRxX OP is about Bill standing in the middle of the road for no reason lol. The writers DID throw sense out the window so don't try to make it about me because you're overly sensitive.
@@h3industrialcomplex220 Your reply seems to have disappeared from the thread..
I took Bill standing in the street as a sign of depression, especially when he had a completely non fatal gunshot and gave a premature "I'm dying here's all the things" speech. Like he only wanted to die with meaning.
I see what you mean but I definitely think it was just poor planning to get him injured so you think he’s in the wheelchair healing up. They probably realized too late there’s no way to get him injured in a way that makes sense in that fortress
100%
I took the episode to be woke 🗑
@@rektz2457 just say you hate gay people and move on
@@rektz2457 Your opinion is also 🗑
Bill got shot because he was trying to protect Frank… he wasn’t thinking like before as a survivalist. He did say it wasn’t afraid before Frank came to his life
That doesn't excuse the level of idiocy needed to stay firing in the middle without any cover whatsoever. It was just bad writing.
That scene made me frustrated because EVERYONE knows to take cover if people are shooting at you. You don’t need to go to the army to know that.
@@ajcyrilldy really? Know how many people in warzone just stand out in the open?
@@TheDienhart so you know?only dumb will shoot at enemies with no cover moreover he didn’t know how many ho many they are…is just so dumb…and bill’s character wasn’t supposed to be that dumb..and whats the point of that scene?when bill got shot he even said to frank to call joel suggesting the audience that bad things have just happen that are crucial to the storyline but then they fast forward to 10 years and ironically frank who are on a wheelchair not bill…like wtf???this episode are dumb and worst than game of thrones final episode
He was out in the open shooting before he even noticed Frank was there. He did turn to tell Frank to run and then was shot but honestly with or without Frank yelling out to him he was going to be shot as he was shooting out in the open against multiple attackers which was dumb. Now if they had made it so he was out in the open momentarily or ran out to yell to Frank to get inside then that would make some sense but sadly not how they did it
I was so crushed when bill and frank died, I truly enjoyed the episode and I barely remembered bill from the game. It was just an episode done great and it built up that connection with the audience as it did with the two characters. Great episode and the two main actors of the episode were superb.
You enjoyed watching two men be gay for 40 mins? Amazing
One things for certain. It wasn't last of us though.
@@buggerlugz6753 well… it was? Both characters are a part of the last of us. Just not main characters.
You fool. This episode did nothing but annoy me. The focus was only on gayness. And it never moved. It was like watching another show.
You're crushed because you're a fruit. Let this episode set the tone for the rest of the series. I won't be sticking around for it.
G@@@@y scene wasn't necessary, just woke moral propaganda ....
The raid scene just needed a line to imply that this isn't the first time they've been under attack. A short montage of resetting traps after infected trigger them would be helpful too.
Bill was standing in the middle of the street in the middle of the night.
exactly because im thinking how lucky they are to only have 1 raid in 20 yrs
The adaptation was good but some things was rushed abit and it felt like a dream sequence. I wish they had more action and abit of danger. It felt very easy going.
I mean, he implied he dealt with tons of infected. When the one infected they showed, died to the trap, he said, "Ahh, that never gets old." This is television, they can't show hundreds of infected and dozens of raider attacks and fit all that into one episode.
@@aro327 exactly. You think dude would know to find some Fuckin cover after being a survivalist and lasting this long. Nope. Just balls out standing in the middle of the street.
The show not being 1:1 with the game is a very good decision. This way you can experience both the game and the show without fully knowing what to expect.
what the fuck is with this shit take all of a sudden. Rings of Power and Halo do their own things and everyone agrees they hate it. Now TLoU is doing it and it was the correct choice? You people are fucking bipolar.
As a fan of the games love this direction more. Because if it was 1:1 I wouldn’t bother watching it
I absolutely love how for the game it's the more videogame-y version of the story with a big boss fight in the high school and for the show it's the calmer story. Both are equally enjoyable but fit their mediums in different ways.
Beat for beat copies wouldn't work. Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter all made changes from the books and were better for it.
i don’t mind them deviating from the story but not having any interaction between ellie and bill was just a missed opportunity. Their back and forth bickering was one of the best parts of the game
Just because they only show ONE raid and ONE infected walk into a trap, doesn't -at all- mean that they ONLY had those two things to deal with in the 20 years. How long did you want the episode to be? Joe?
I mean if they didn't deviate from the game and spend 35 minutes developing a random live story that barely affected the plot, there would have been plenty of time for all kinds of stuff.
@@SnifferSock so you want the show to be a 1:1 to the game? Play the game again then. 🤷♂️
@@SmoothEmJay lol so you watch last of us not because you like game and wanna see live on tv but because you play game and wanna see something absolutely different just with same name righttttt....ill give you good suggestion "Witcher" hows that end up ha ha ha.
@@medinux11 🔔 no, unlike you two dildos I can enjoy both and accept the changes made for TV. It's an adaptation not a clone, go back to school and demand a better English tutor.
@@SmoothEmJay For me personally, its not about changes from game to show but about missing the point about what made the game great which was the relationship of Joel and Ellie. At this point they have spent more time on the relationship of Bill and Frank then they have on Joel and Ellie which is very sad to see as those are your main characters. If those changes did not effect the story of that relationship negatively then all for it but right now, Joel and Ellie just feel awkward together where as in the game by the time they left Bill you were already starting to see a relationship building. Its sad when a game can portray that better then a TV show.
This episode absolutely does relate to Joel. People who say otherwise need to rewatch it. In fact, this episode explains the end of the game better than the game itself does. They draw a number of express parallels between Bill and Joel. In the end, in Bill's suicide note, it says that he was _glad to watch the world die_ but then he found one person to protect, and that that is Joel's purpose as well: to protect that special person. And what happens at the of the game? *[SPOILERS FOR A DECADE OLD GAME]* Joel protects Ellie, the person he has come to care about, and he does it at the cost of the whole world. It is 100% clear from the suicide note that Bill (at least as depicted in the show) would agree that Joel did the _right thing._ Playing the game, one kind of understands Joel's unstated reasoning...but this episode really foreshadows Joel's choice in a nice way. If the show ends the same way as the game, then one can easily imagine Bill's advice spurring Joel's actions.
Could the same point have been made differently, say in 15 minutes rather than 45? Sure. The writers can write anything they want on a page. The episode worked so well, though, that I have trouble gainsaying that the artistic decisions they made were the right ones. It seems to me like they could have tightened up the Bill/Frank storyline, but maybe that would have thrown off the impact of Bill's character arc. Joel would have been aware of the depth of their relationship, and perhaps showing us (rather than telling us about) that depth may have helped sell Bill's observations about Joel.
Couldn't have explained it all better myself..
& their comment on the recent TLOU Podcast was so perfectly said..
"Bill knew how to survive, Frank taught him how to live" 👌🏻
I don't know I thought he protects and loves Ellie as a daughter because he sees Sarah in her. I loved the ending in the game because if that was my daughter I too wouldn't have sacrificed herself even if that means we never get rid of the cordycep pandemic. Besides there's no proof that they could have made a cure from her, and it is mentioned in the game that they've already tried to make a cure from other people who like Ellie were immune.
@@LetoAtreides82 The reason he protects Ellie (that he sees her like a daughter) doesn't negate Bill's advice, which was to protect those you love and to understand that that's his purpose in this world. That is true even though Ellie would absolutely *not* have wanted Joel to save her (which is why he has to lie to her about it).
I dont recall prior immune people in the game...I recall Joel *_lying_* about there being other immune people to Ellie, but when he talks to Marlene he tells her to "find someone else" and she says "there is no one else." If there were more immune people out there, then she was lying or just too lazy to look for them. Remember that, in the game, she knew Ellie from when Ellie was just a baby, Ellie was family to her before Joel ever met Ellie. (And, of course, Joel also murdered a room full of doctors in a world with no more medical schools...so even if another immune person is ever found, there may be no doctors left to use that person, as was mentioned in the Last of Us Part II.)
I also remember the Fireflies being pretty definitive in their statements about being able to make a vaccine once they harvested the cordyceps from Ellie. No one ever said it "might not work" that I recall. That it might not work was, I think, just an _inference_ from the fact that could have been lying about knowing how to make a cure. Given Marlene's readiness to sacrifice Ellie, and given how stupid they'd have to be to sacrifice the only immune person they know of on an unsupported "hunch," it makes sense that the Fireflies were probably reasonably sure it would work. So the cure was probably at hand...and even if it was 100%, Joel would have done same thing, I think.
I like that in the show Joel only promised Tess he'd get Ellie to Bill. Turns out Bill is dead. It makes his decision to take Ellie across the country more believable, since he never wanted to do it in the first place. He's going to find Tommy anyways, so he reluctantly brings her along. Instead of a quick promise to a cross country trip during that one moment in the capital.
I didn’t mind any of the changes they made to Bill and Frank, i just wish Bill was still alive, coping with the grief of losing frank so we could see him interact with Ellie and Joel.
It made it worse to lose that and could have given more weight to bills message that its enough to save one person, further convincing Joel to move forward and bond with Ellie
This. Ellie and Bill had one of the more memorable interaction in the game. I wish they met.
Yeah I'm surprised that people don't care more about how they killed off bill I was pissed
@@jimharris1487 it’s because most of the viewers haven’t played the game. It would have been a great episode if they kept the back story much shorter. Like other people say, doesn’t always need action, but to see more of an interaction between the characters years later would have been nice
Well in the game, Bill didn't know what happened to Frank, remember Frank left after an apparent disagreement and Bill was just angry and felt betrayed by that. It wasn't until you find the one house that had Frank hung in it and it has the letter from Frank that Bill even found that out. So I'm sure Bill's grief wasn't until after Joel and Ellie left with the truck.
@@jimharris1487 The episode in itself is really good so maybe people don't mind that much. Plus Bill still served his purpose and provided for Joel and Ellie. I still prefer him alive than dead.
This episode was perfect at showing the theme of the story: living to care about the ones you love, not just living to survive
too bad that isn't Bill's character at all from the game, and now his character has ZERO interaction with Joel & Ellie, and next to no impact on the story at all. The characters could have found a car and supplies through other means and it wouldn't have changed the story at all. bad writing if you ask me.
The theme of the story is endure and survive. Not suicide pact when things get tough.
@@sirspookington I do wish Bill could have stuck around, especially because I always enjoyed the interactions between him and Ellie, short as they may be, but I do like that this ties him into the theme of the game more. It was always about living for something more than surviving, but I do understand why you would have wanted him to interact with them.
It’s literally spelled out at the end of the episode
Yeaaaaaaaah, that's not really the theme of the games AT ALL. Have you played the games? If not, its more Game of Thrones in the way that if you're thinking this is a happy story, you're in for a rude awakening.
Lets be real here.. If this was a story about a heterosexual couple, everyone would have ranted about how boring and pointless it was for the plot.
I almost feel like a Tess backstory at the beginning of episode 2 would’ve been amazing. Her with her husband and son in Detroit, and having to fight them off, showing the similarities and differences between her past and Joel’s, and why she loves Joel, and that flashback snaps into Tess waking up in the SuperCuts. I think that would’ve given her her due, like Alex was talking about, and you could’ve given us the Indonesia exposition in a later episode, or even at the beginning of this one to connect to Joel talking about the flour/bread/cereal with Ellie.
They could still do that with the backstory logs they have been putting out
@@Axzmessi I just think it should’ve been in episode 2, the episode we spend most with Tess.
It's interesting because in the first 2 episodes, I never got the impression that Tess and Joel were an item or in a relationship. At most, I thought they were friends with benefits. There was no chemistry or intimate interactions that implied they were romantically involved. Had the directors did something like this for Tess before she died, her death would have had more meaning. Frankly, Tess's death was nothing more than a little speed bump. I didn't give her much thought before she died and even less after she died.
Nope. Instead her and Joel took a nice saunter out of the QZ all dilly dally to have brunch. Hahah. Whack!
My biggest complaint which is minor in context of next episode, never once did I feel like Frank and Bill were in any danger nor was there any danger outside the wire not from infected, raiders or the government, like give us a couple more minutes of Bill v Zombies or raiders or something to show the dangers of being out there
I think it was supposed to be established that Bill has such a well oiled machine that its not a worry for him as he said it "Never gets old" and lived in his isolated town fairly well without dangers. Juxtaposing that with dealing with a real human was well done imo. Really shows that true vulnerability lies within human connections and the emotions attached to that rather than the Apocalypse
@@anony-mousse8487 I know but still, they could have shown him I dunno, clearing out his traps, he scares off people who try to get into his town, maybe a kid walks into one of his traps and Bill is conflicted or feels no remorse, just something a bit more
We got a few minutes of Bill vs raiders and infected, him watching his traps go off and saying it never got old, him discussing with Joel how his fence would last, etc.
@@anony-mousse8487 He only kills one zombie in a hole and shots the raiders easily. Was kinda silly, there needed to be more action breaks in this episode. I felt their story would have had greater impact if the world was actually dangerous.
@@Thomastm33 They did the best with what they had. I get ya tho cause i was wondering that too. Especially in the time jump to when they're older. Probably had trivial encounters etc would have liked a montage or something to really show it. But it's kind of unnecessary exposition when the focus isnt on how dangerous the world is, but rather about what of you're like Bill. You have everything to survive and thrive but there's still one crucial human component missing.
thought this episode was going to make me laugh but it made me cry and im not mad about it
Not only was it stupid that Joel told strangers his name, it was FUCKIN stupid that for all Abby knew, he could be a DIFFERENT Joel??? Like what if it was another guy named Joel that killed her dad and she smashes the worng skull in?! My fucking god.
It would perfectly fit Joel's character development since the first game and the years after that leading to the second game, to tell Abby his name.
Even then, Joel _didn't_ tell her his name so you are doubly wrong. Tommy gave her both of their names after first escaping the horde.
And just how many guys named Joel who are of that appropriate age and have a brother named Tommy who is also the appropriate age, do you think live in that town? If you find those two people, chances are just about 100% you found the specific ones you're looking for.
I really did not expect the 90 degree turn they took this episode. I was expecting more backstory on how Bill, Tess, and Joel met during their interactions with the Fireflies as alluded to in the video game. Instead we got a love story? Definitely did not expect that.
I didn’t either and honestly I didn’t like it, I didn’t really see a point in it
@@cameronmillspaugh1601 It is signalling. They wanted to show how progressive of a story this is. And honestly I remember in the game being quite certain Bill/Frank were in a relationship.
But they do really push the progressive agenda hard with Ellie being with Dina too.
There was really no reason to spend an entire episode on Bills story only to have him not even interact with the main characters.
This is literally the reason why people dislike Druckman. Because he's made it clear that he does this to try and incite people.
He dislikes that "most of games stories are about white Christian males, and feature misogyny..
@Cameron Millspaugh The point was to show the love story and the idea love can live on on this situation. This parallels Joel and tess and I think there are alot of connection between Bill and frank and Joel and test in this episode. Some of the big ones is when Joel is reading the letter he is going through alot because without the kid he would have done the same thing he would have died with tess. But he is respecting her last wish and protecting the kid and even if he doesn't know it he is now making her a reason to live. It also helps put emotion into tesses death by showing what love there is and how this was most likely how her and Joel where also.
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@JetAwayWithDisney! Good response. Tell me you didn't understand fight club without telling me you didn't understand it haha
I had to pause and let out a deep breath when Bill said to Frank, "I was never afraid before you showed up." A man who hated the world and had nothing to lose eventually found something he was afraid to lose.
That's deep.
through out the play through of last of us, you uncover diaries from the dead. I welcome the idea of showing a story in a location then having joel and ellie navigate through it days after the story ended.
I couldn't agree more. It's textbook great world building. And it gives more meaning to what Joel and Ellie are doing.
"There's not much ammo for it out there"
The M4/AR-15 fires 5.56NATO/.223 Remington, literally the most popular round and rifle among US gun owners with at least 30 million rifles and easily several trillion rounds of 5.56/.223 ammo in the country lol
Edit: Still love the show, just seems to be a line that makes 0 sense
One thing to note though Joe as to why Bill was so careless in that shootout scene:
Love makes you careless. He had someone he needed to protect, he said that in his letter, so he did something dumb and tried to protect Frank by himself.
Nah fuck that, 🤣 that's a stupid excuse to be stupid.....the more important protection is the more you would worry about it....
People who wouldn't care would do that.
The episode I'm most excited for is David and the cannibals. I can already tell that episode is going to be horrifying.
yeah this ^^^^^. i was stoke to see Nolan North play David as a creeper, so im excited to see what happens then.
Assuming they keep it and don’t think it’s going to be better than the game and change it
I'd love to see a Beavis and Butt-Head episode about them watching this episode 😆
"Uhhhhh what the hell is this crap"
"Heh heh heh, hey Butthead if we were like, the last two dudes on the planet, would we like, marry and stuff?"
@@MPT1983 I love how my brain read that in beavis and Butthead voices.
If they can set the seeds for Abby and her father to be characters to be people we give a shit about instead of having us root for our main characters almost the entire time. With good execution we may actually see it be really compelling. I hope it’s good whatever the case
My only complaint is that Ellie and Bill didn't meet and have their little fight, it was funny in the game. But the episode was really good!
They literally left out the best aspect about Bills character.. The fact that he was a paranoid but somewhat charming lunatic.
But nooo.. let's reduce his character to just being gay.. Because that's all that matters in the freaking Zombie Apocalypse.. right?
Smh HBO
@@prettyboyg1278 yeah we didn’t see how truly badass he was until the end where he got shot
@@lottcrosby6663 he wasn’t even a bad ass in that raider scene, why tf is he out in the middle of the road shooting with no cover?
@@ki11aqueen5 Because just like him being out in the lights like that provides a good shot for the raiders, it also provides a good shot for the cameras. My suspension of disbelief can handle that much, especially for an overall great episode.
@PrettyBoyG He's still a paranoid, but charming lunatic. Remember his scene with Joel and Tess? He's just a paranoid charming lunatic who gets a better ending. That's really the major difference. He's less of a warning of what Joel might become and more of a reminder of what Joel failed to be to Tess. Both will serve a similar motivation for Joel moving forward as he opens up to Ellie. Calling him reduced to being "just gay" is really letting yourself be blind by the fact that a gay character takes center stage in a noticeable deviation from the source material.
@@oOPPHOo your first argument doesn’t quite work. He was literally shown to be a genius, building his own safe haven with traps and whatnot, stocking up resources and everything.
And yet he just runs out to open gun fire in the middle of the street unprotected? No, that’s not bill from the game. You act like you couldn’t make the scene bad ass if he was taking cover from the shots. He still lives after that raider attack, so him getting shot didn’t even matter in the end.
I think the reasoning behind Bill standing out in the open and getting shot was part of the over-arching motif that he starts as this rugged individual who is shut off from the world and completely self sufficient, but when Frank came along, he slowly begins to realize that he does care for someone more than himself, and I think it emphasizes his "change" into a caring and compassionate person and sort of lost his original (lack thereof) emotions and reclusive attitude. It's also displayed towards the beginning when he and Frank get into an argument, where Bill doesn't concede to Frank something as simple as paint ,showing his aversion to change whatsoever, but when the strawberry scene happened, he completely lost this part of him when he finds out that Frank traded a gun for them.
I personally think it's a fantastic way to add DEPTH to Bill that he didn't really have in the games.
I agree. It's more of a statement with him standing in the open. He wants to show his love and protectiveness. It's like a mother standing in front of her child if any danger is coming rather than hiding or running away. If/when they have a real fight scene where the focus is on combat I'm sure they know what to do.
The scene did take me out of immersion a bit but thinking about it logically, Bill is a shut-in.
Despite all his prepping and large collection of equipment he doesn't actually have real world combat experience.
What do we see him do well? Cooking, playing the piano, gardening, electronics, having a high standard of living despite living in the apocalypse.... I didn't any references in the background that might have hinted at him being ex-Military. Meanwhile Joel who is a veteran immediately saw a flaw in his defense and tactics.
@@artdjesus6267 yep, I even said, out loud to myself, why isn't he behind cover?! 😅 esp with multiple incoming enemies? So... besides that one minor flaw, Bill is 100% my spirit animal
Also the hive mind only worked because the dead Stalker touched the ground with the flora on it and the tendrils spread. It's a nice detail. The fungus isn't going to detect you on concrete but open ground that's been exposed to healthy vegetation allows the fungus and hive to interact and react with whatever is happening.
@@EnolaGay15 In the games, the infection can spread by spores and almost every single infected is bursting out with spores.etc. That was where the danger comes from in the game. There are near full sections of land they can't even pass through safely if they have a deep enough gash on their skin.
I just hope that if they showed almost a full episode of 2 characters for 20 years just so they could get a car and show some emotional backstory, then they should do the same for Sam and his brother, Ellie and Riley's DLC or even Marlene and the fireflies
They're already kind of missing an oportunity with Tess and Joel being mysterious
Oddly enough I feel like we get more of Tess and Joel throughout the show
Of course they won't. They only did this episode because it was a gay relationship and that's the trendy thing to do. This episode would be universally hated if it was about a strait couple.
@@jaypee9575 you’re just wrong lol
@@nikolastiscareno4963 Are you joking? They spent more time on that relationship than they did on the relationship between Joel and his daughter. Or Henry and his brother. Or Joel and Tess for that matter. If you think it wasn't about being trendy and pandering to their audience, then you are blind.
The importance of this episode to the season and Joel is that Bill and Frank show that in this post apocalypse is not just raiding and transactional trading, but relationships can still be transformational.
No one cares lol sounds lame
@@1kbmahan says the account with a font as a name. 🤣😂🤣
@@Lostcause1974 Arial is easier on the eyes
They should be using this time to be building up Joel and Ellie's bond. The fact they're not is a major red flag for the firefly segment.
@@elitemook4234 that's fair. I think the relationship Frank and Bill have and the letter help Joel see his purpose.
This is sooooo not the best episode so far. They literally took a perfectly good zombie show and turn it into a homosexual love story. How is that good?
tlou has never been just about the zombies. you should know that.
Yes, but Joel and Ellie were supposed to meet Bill and they kill off his character instead.
My point is they didn’t have to spend the entire screen time on a second broke back mountain movie. We get it, they’re gay and live happily ever after, but what was even the point of it all if they just kill Bill? Were you not anticipating interactions between Bill and Ellie? I sure was
@@KiIIerBean Yes, but Joel and Ellie were supposed to meet Bill and they kill off his character instead. My point is they didn’t have to spend the entire screen time on a second broke back mountain movie. We get it, they’re gay and live happily ever after, but what was even the point of it all if they just kill Bill? Were you not anticipating interactions between Bill and Ellie? I sure was
"It never gets old" how did all 3 of you hear that line and still think it was the only one he had to deal with lmao
Cause they're dummies
My only problem with the episode is that the banter between Bill and Ellie in-game was hilarious. I'm annoyed that the adaptation of Bill in the show never actually met her, and we never got to see the three of them (Joel, Ellie, and Bill) work together
It seems like most people liked this episode, but I have to be honest I didn’t like it *as a The Last of Us episode*, not as a show (which standalone would be great).
They removed so much of Joel and Ellie’s journey and relationship with just a single episode. I mean, they entirely changed Bill and Frank’s arcs (Frank left and hung himself) and removed all of the banter and growth between Joel and Ellie, and the previously-hilarious Bill for that matter.
Furthermore, changing Bill and Frank’s arc wasn’t even the issue, it was leaving out so much that hurts it, it could’ve been two episodes. If they wanted to spend an episode on characters that will be dead immediately (Bill doesn’t even die in the game) then why not show their impact on the main characters? It makes absolutely no sense, I’m sorry. This episode was basically a standalone series that has NO BEARING on Joel and Ellie other than leaving them a truck and gear.
No infected, no bloater, no Joel hanging from a trap upside down, no surviving Bill’s traps, no escape with the truck, and no Ellie stealing shit from Bill. No bow, a smaller thing, no music shop, no gnomes, no “Bobby Fischer”… I can go on and on. I know it’s a show, they have to cut stuff, and it’s a reimagining of it clearly, but they cut the BEST stuff, the most important stuff to the characters who we are going to be with the entire time.
Ellie hasn’t and never will meet Bill in this show. It’s just too big of a departure for me to feel confident in the remainder of the show. Anyone I told to watch the show will now have to play the game to know why I said that, which I suppose isn’t what I was hoping for. That’s kind of my own issue I know, they obviously want to tell a new story, I just wasn’t expecting that enormous of a change in the story I guess.
Nailed it. Now you have to tell people it’s a good show. But go play the game. Because if they are going to take these types of liberties, then the story of the game will be easily superior.
I also felt the same, at the end I was like:
so wtf? what was the point of this episode? they get a car and some gear? that's it? a whole episode for that? what a waste of time.
Thank you so much man - such a great explanation. This really should be the top comment and this should have been Joe's review.
Well at least someone said it. IMO, people are so hyped about a Last of Us tv show that they forget how beautifully the characters and stories were done in the game
Just because they only showed one incident with infected and raiders doesnt mean it only happened once. He even says something along the lines of "it never gets old" when you see on his security cam that infected trip his traps lol
I would love to see more of it, but it was alluded to that this was a regular occurrence.
I wish bill was a larger part of the series because ron swanson in a pandemic is genius
I must be the only one who didn't like this episode. I thought it was a complete waste of time and didn't advance the plot whatsoever. We didn't need a 1 hour love episode, it could have been summed up in 20 minutes but it kept dragging.
I truly believe the only reason people are praising it so much is because it's between 2 gay men. If it was Bill and a woman, people would have called it an average episode and the praise wouldn't nearly be high 🤷♂️
My favourite part is where he shows Nick Cage the statue of him holding the golden guns.
Ep.7 is going to be Left Behind. They are still going to explore the bonding of Ellie and Riley (Storm Reid is playing her). As well as see a surprise cameo play Ellie’s mother. I have confidence that with Craig Mazin heading the ship, he will make it work (despite Druckmann’s input and influence over the series).
Yes for sure..that or episode 8 since left behind needs to happen after Joel’s injury. I’m excited for left behind..I want to see if they include Ellie reading jokes out of the pun book..and her and Riley stumbling into the Halloween store and trying on masks…little stuff like that was what made the game so incredible! Also I love Storm Reid. She is the perfect choice to play Riley
lol "Despite Druckmann's input and influence"? What the hell does that even mean? It's HIS story...
@@KoolKeithProductionsThink they are talking about part 2
@@leemcqueen500 So am I. What's wrong with Part 2?
I’m calling it:
They don’t pull the trigger and turn Joel into a badass murder machine the entire series.
All I see is them pulling a ‘Luke skywalker’ on him
For sure bro it’s coming
They haven't already?
@@camendiv in the tv series no but in the game he’s a badass killing machine
@@michaelmyersplays4992 He's kind of a piece of shit in the game, but it makes sense in that world because everyone else sucks too.
unreal how great this series is. I'm in LOVE with it. Every sunday 9pm eastern!
This episode was a waste of time. Pure filler that wasn’t needed if you skip episode 3 all you’d wonder is how did Joel get a truck that’s literally the only advancement of the plot.
The shooting scene was "off" in terms of combat perspective, but if you take it in terms of Bill's perspective at the point in his life, it makes sense. He was protecting Frank, and the only way of preventing the raiders from hitting the house and possibly Frank, was for Bill to make himself the target far away from the house. Frank just got in the way of his plan. Bill was willing to get himself hurt to keep Frank safe. It was just poorly shot/executed to showcase that.
As far as the runners kiss, I felt that it sensed she was infected. Then, whatever spores were growing in Tess communicated with the runner, paralyzed her, and drew the runner in to speed up the process. This makes the lighter more impactful, her last ounces of will were focused on torching the place.
Since this got quite a few likes, I’ll follow this up by sharing some research on the real “zombie fungus” cordyceps that I found: The fungus actually does not affect the brain of the host(usually an ant). The fungus instead controls the muscles of the ant to make it go where it wants. This confirms what I had theorized: the infection took hold of Tess’s body, likely communicating with the runner to help speed up the take over.
Also confirms that likely, the people could still be alive just unable to control their bodies 😢
If I could offer up a suggestion, maybe split up the review into 3 parts.
1 is the review of the episode (no spoilers)
2 is the breakdown/spoilers of the episode/tv show up to the current episode.
3 is including spoiler discussion based on what is known from playing the games.
This is because a lot of people watching the show may not have played the game and so, while they have seen all of the show, might still be surprised and wouldn't want later events known from the game to be spoiled.
Great review as always!
I really don't think its worth having a non-spoiler-review of the episode, its not like its a movie where you can only watch in on the weekend, or can't decide if its worth going out to watch.
the episodes are available on streaming, so you can literally watch it now instead of watching this review.
The game spoilers are different and should be separated. Almost no one will buy a playstation just to play TLoU after watching the series (they will buy the PC version though).
@@MrHakisak Let me clarify.
I don't think the review should be 3 different videos, just organized into 3 parts, in the order as stated above.
The reason I say this is because Angry Joe talks about the order of events he is predicting in the show/episodes based off of what happens in the game. This could be unwelcomed/spoil the story for people that haven't played the game. Therefor, discussion that relies on knowledge and involved knowledge of what happens in the game would best be saved for the end of the review video, not the middle of it like we had here.
My brother, for example, hasn't played the game. He wants to hear AJ, OJ, and Alex discuss the specific details of the episode, but doesn't want to hear spoilers on what may happen in future episodes. I am thinking a lot of other viewers might feel the same way.
They cut out so much of the game just to show a love story that was hinted at in the game. The fact that ellie didn't meet bill ruined the episode
Overall I enjoyed the episode. I was uncomfortable with softcore hairy man on hairy man action. Not hating or discriminating just not my cup of tea in those scenes in particular. Despite my own prejudice I guess, it was beautiful to see the relationship for what it was. A man in the closet his entire pre-apocalypse life find love in a world that is nearly devoid of it. However I believe the Bill portrayed in this medium is better equipped for traps, engineering, hunting, gathering and not actual armed combat like his video game counterpart. As displayed with him dealing raiders without cover, his movement when he first exits his house with his gas mask, when he sits down his holster snags on the chair. The episode accomplishes the same end goal (Ellie and Joel get car) at the expense the action sequences in the game Joel being suspended from Bill's traps and fighting off infected, the bloater fight in the school, banter between Bill and Ellie. Lastly instead of Bill being the example of what Joel could end up like if he doesn't open up. Bill helps to chisel away the hard exterior Joel's had for years by living with love.
This episode unironically goes hard. Was not expecting adorable old man love story
adorable?.... wut
@@zymosan123 Yes, it was adorable. I can even say that as a straight man. They were thoroughly charming, and Nick Offerman was everything I hoped he'd be in the role.
@@zymosan123 stop being so insecure
@@zymosan123 I am a straight 6'1 170 pound man. yes it was adorable
I mean nothing wrong with a mature man/man relationship, its the lgbt posers that need to show the world how lgbt they are that don't deserve the attention and validation they seek 🤣 and try to tell you you're transphobic, homophobic etc. If you dont buy into their 50 gender delusions, but you gotta respect a relationship like Bill's, I liked the episode for the sake of bill but they've completely missed out the school part and the introduction between ellie and bill... I mean, we don't know if he's dead or not, but let's not waste a full episode showing romance and miss out a vital part for it.
3/10 for me, 8/10 for a romance, but if i wanted to see a romantic film, I'd watch Romeo and Juliet 👍 this is based on an infected dark slaughter world, the guy should of robbed him after they slept together which made Bill crazy maybe or bill went nuts after he invited tess into the house ? This isn't a romantic series, such a waste of an episode to miss out on such a good part
This episode was good, I wish we could have gotten some of that banter between bill and Ellie though. As for Bill and Frank to me it was always hinted at that they had a relationship in the game, in the way that Bill says “he was.. he was my partner”
It explains the gay porn he had too. It never made sense to me
As far as unnecessary filler goes, ep 3 is the most well executed example I've seen.
I can agree with this but I just wish it wasn't in a story with only 9 episode's
I like what they did…gives Joel more reason to do what he did just like Bill said in the letter “there was one person worth saving. Thats why men like you and me are here, we have a job to do”, which led him to be what he is at the end..🙂 Loved the episode and love the show.
You guys said there’s multiple “stupid parts” and cut corners but yet you still give this a 9 and 10? Stop the cap
I never got a chance to play the game but this show is extremely entertaining and heartbreaking.
Sadder story with them in game
Play the game. It's X10 better
@@Berry_Best cap
@@combatsv cap 🧢
@@Berry_Best Ive played the game and not really, ina video game they dont flesh out the story as much as the show does. Game is more gameplay focused, obviously.
After the episode finished I was like, "Okay, so we've had our soft interlude... Next episode is going to rip my heart out." That's the formula I was sensing.
You guys rip a part anything that changes from the main source even in the slightest but now we're tip toeing through the mind fields when they changed this so dramatically, we can tell everyones just afraid of cancel culture. The episode could have been exactly the same without it ending that way; Bill should be in ep 4 simple as that. The Twitter echo chamber is old your opinions are just copy and pasted from it every single review, can we stop now? XD
You hit the nail on the head. Joe goes with whichever way the wind blows. I don't really put too much stock in Joe's opinions anymore, because they really are plagiarized from everyone else. OJ and Alex are there to collect pay, so whatever he says, they'll echo.
The fact that they wanna add gay shit to everything makes me mad but it was a beautiful story lol
It's very clear that Bill had to deal with multiple infected being that he set up a whole routine and alarm to deal with them whenever they do get trapped, and when he said it never gets old when that one infected gets killed
Too bad we got the BORING version. I came to watch zombies & danger. All I got was this garbage.
This episode got me Scared of what they might do for Henry and Sam. Imagine how much they could improve it if we get their story before they meet with Joel and well... You Know!
*their
They made Sam deaf.
Bill explains why he got shot; fear. The idea of losing Frank caused him a great amount of fear and fear clouds one's judgment. Getting attacked in the middle of the night Bill had too much confidence in his skills and defenses. It's why he clashes with Frank over supplies and everything because he's scared that wasting anything could be the difference between life and death.
They turned one of best video game levels into a full on gay love story
Thats niel cuckman for ya
@@noshgaming and the media praising the episode . Ha laughable
💩 crazy. 😂
@@chelikaniyashwanth9549 Frank at least gave a vibe that he is gay but Bill? Come on, it looked so bad and forced on him. Furthermore, even that aside, the character development don't mean jack if u wanna kill off the two in the same episode they are introduced, the hell is the point then? Garbage episode. Only liked the Joel and Ellie bits.
why forcing and shoving down gay scene when we didnt ask for it?? it makes majority people uncomfortable!!
Joe, it's been almost a full month into the new year of 2023. When are you going to do your annual best of/worst of 2022?
He mentioned it last week, he said something about them being 4 weeks behind on everything, if I remember correctly.
@@Lynxwire Oh ok.
I bet he will wait until March. Man this show has gotten lazy!!! I have been a subscriber since Xbox 360 days and I am not really enjoying it anymore. AJ makes mire money than ever but is lazier than ever with a full team and cohosts
We all know it's because there's not as much money in january for youtubers. This is widely known and why many take a vacation during this one month. If he released the vids in January they would perform more poorly than if he released them in February.
We know Joe, we know.
@@vulcanh254 That's not true at all. If that was the case, then how come he's always launched the lists in January in the past?
100% agreed! Unexpected, but solid episode. Well excecuted and Nick's performance as Bill. The ending shot of episode 3 was 👌
Regarding Joel not taking the weapons in Bills house, didnt Joel also say at the gas station that some ammo were precious? Don't remember if there were ammo in the shelter but perhaps that was the case he didnt bring more guns with them?
He put the gun away because he didn't have more ammo for it and it was running low. He was saving it for a later time.
This episode was complete trash. Nobody asked for the mess they shoved in it for no reason other than their agenda..
Don't confuse the "show" for the "individual episode". If you're argument is "the show sucks", talk about a show as a whole, not narrow in on a specific episode.
@@Hadeks_Marow the show is great. I meant this episode. certain agendas get shoved down your throat literally in everything you watch now.
@@TheGrimey1 This is exactly why I said what I said. Word choice is important. xD
GGs for the edit, mad respect for going the distance.
I wait for these every time I finish an episode, love to hear y’all’s opinions