The Itachi vs Orochimaru thing has never set well with me. As for with Pain, I certainly think Orochimaru has a good chance. Most consider Orochimaru above Jiriya, who nearly defeated them all. I think with Orochimaru's Edo Tensei and durability factor can wittle them down.
bit of a stretch to say that Jiraiya nearly 'defeated them all'. The thing with Pain is, its gonna boil down to whether Orochimaru can figure out his gimmick and find the real body. Orochimaru is smart, so I can see him figuring it out, but the problem is that he doesn't have a way to tracking Nagato. He does have sage mode to track him through the rods, and he'd be too busy facing the paths. I don't think Orochimaru can overpower the Paths head on. Especially the deva path, Orochimaru with prep might be a different story tho
@@JuubiTaz three and Konan is significant enough imo paired with Pains own statements. But I also don't see Nagato coming out of hiding to battle or having the time to make more paths if Orochimaru defeats the ones in play before Orochimaru uses a white snake to locate him. Or interrogates the rain nin even if its by posing as Konan or Deva to lock in most likly hideaways. For me it's more of an issue of how does Orochimaru get put down in battle vs how does Orochimaru work the paths down. An Almighty push, rods through him, or just a kaiju plumbing is pretty ineffective. It would take the Human path? The one who eats souls to take Orochimaru out just as the 3rd had to or some strong sealing as Itachi resorted to.
Agree (about both Itachi and Pain scenarios). I like Itachi's design too, but that "fight" with Orochimaru in the Akatsuki was beyond forced and it was crystal clear that its only purpose was to hype Itachi up. If Orochimaru actually went full-power on him (and I'm not sure he ever went full-power on anyone, as he prefers to mock his opponents), even at that stage, he would've had a big chance of winning.
@@kiravampira1456 See that is my biggest thing. We have never seen Orochimaru take a fight actually seriously. All of his losses besides Hanzo and the deadlock(where his arms are completely dead) someone just plot jutsued him.
@Amamiyacasual Exactly. I've always been curious about how strong Orochimaru actually is. Quite sure he wouldn't be an easy opponent even for Hashirama (my second favourite man in Naruto:)
in the anime, its due to the encounter that they have. Deidara tried to kill Orochimaru with explosives, but Orochimaru got away and Deidara got a tad salty and swore to kill him eventually
@@JuubiTaz So Deidara wanted to kill him because he didn't/couldn't kill him. In Deidara#s head, Orochimaru surviving is an affront, to escape is to disrespect his art!
@@TheEyez187 apparently its not that hard to live in Deidara's head, Lets not forget that Sasuke hadn't met deidara yet & deidara still wanted to kill him
Not me. Even while being *terrified* of him, I wanted to see him around more and run my fingers through his long sleek hair. His dark charm is fascinating🐍
The only one I wanted dead back then was schoolgirl, Sasuke crush Sakura! When Naruto/4 tails (Tenchi bridge) smashed Sakura, I thought it was good. Not for the above reason, but for all the times she monster strength smacked Naruto. I saw it as fair and that she was owed!
Hmm .. you may be cooking, but then again that Black Zetsu also got slashed by Chojuro so idk. Also its one of his million clones so its hard to scale him to the original
I talked about it towards the end of the video. If he could summon the first 4 Hokage then the 1st 4 Hokage would solo (obviously lol, Hashirama PLUS KCM Minato ??), but it feels disingenuous to count that as a win for Orochimaru, esp since he cant control Hashirama
Pain mid diffed jiraiya there, keep in mind the only strong path that was fighting him was the asura path, what does jiraiya do against deva path? Sage mode Naruto lost to a tired deva path pain after nuking the whole village. He also beat an 8 tails Naruto and he only got saved by minato stopping him from being the full nine tails
@tidalripplewave Pain himself said jariya could’ve merked him… if he coulda caught all 6 in genjutsu its gg & he was getting jumped & still killed 1 pain if he had help he kills all 6… any pain that could seal would die during combat by oro & the edos BTW pain did not beat the 8 tails he dn died to the 6 tails & ran for his life & all minato did was tighten the seal & talk to his son.
@@JohnnyX225 most likely talking about the three paths, because if you truly believe imperfect sage jiraiya is perfect sage mode naruto level youre trippin, also the 8 tails was not getting out of the planetary devastation whether you like it or not, minato took him out of his tailed beast mode which stopped the planetary devastation pulling him in 💀
@ Tendo literally was the one who said it he wasn’t even there when he cast the technique obviously he meant all 6 paths don’t start this lying crap!!! & a even bigger lie is thinking pain could beat 8 tailed Naruto..ur either uneducated & didn’t watch or ur just lying …he believed he caught Naruto in chibaku tensei & whilst Naruto was still evolving he turned into the 8 tails breaking out & pain even knew it he broke out he tried all he could to hold him in!!! All minato did was replace the seal lil dude
Some Civil war in the Akatsuki would've been great like multiple factions fighting each other.
I guess the closest thing we got was Orochimaru defecting & both Itachi and Konan trying to kill Obito
Sound ninjas vs Akatsuki Rain and Sound War
The Itachi vs Orochimaru thing has never set well with me. As for with Pain, I certainly think Orochimaru has a good chance. Most consider Orochimaru above Jiriya, who nearly defeated them all.
I think with Orochimaru's Edo Tensei and durability factor can wittle them down.
bit of a stretch to say that Jiraiya nearly 'defeated them all'. The thing with Pain is, its gonna boil down to whether Orochimaru can figure out his gimmick and find the real body.
Orochimaru is smart, so I can see him figuring it out, but the problem is that he doesn't have a way to tracking Nagato. He does have sage mode to track him through the rods, and he'd be too busy facing the paths.
I don't think Orochimaru can overpower the Paths head on. Especially the deva path, Orochimaru with prep might be a different story tho
@@JuubiTaz three and Konan is significant enough imo paired with Pains own statements.
But I also don't see Nagato coming out of hiding to battle or having the time to make more paths if Orochimaru defeats the ones in play before Orochimaru uses a white snake to locate him. Or interrogates the rain nin even if its by posing as Konan or Deva to lock in most likly hideaways.
For me it's more of an issue of how does Orochimaru get put down in battle vs how does Orochimaru work the paths down. An Almighty push, rods through him, or just a kaiju plumbing is pretty ineffective. It would take the Human path? The one who eats souls to take Orochimaru out just as the 3rd had to or some strong sealing as Itachi resorted to.
Agree (about both Itachi and Pain scenarios). I like Itachi's design too, but that "fight" with Orochimaru in the Akatsuki was beyond forced and it was crystal clear that its only purpose was to hype Itachi up. If Orochimaru actually went full-power on him (and I'm not sure he ever went full-power on anyone, as he prefers to mock his opponents), even at that stage, he would've had a big chance of winning.
@@kiravampira1456 See that is my biggest thing. We have never seen Orochimaru take a fight actually seriously. All of his losses besides Hanzo and the deadlock(where his arms are completely dead) someone just plot jutsued him.
@Amamiyacasual Exactly. I've always been curious about how strong Orochimaru actually is. Quite sure he wouldn't be an easy opponent even for Hashirama (my second favourite man in Naruto:)
Good objective in this video. I like it ❤
Kakuzu never use all 4 mask not even in da game
Cuz he didn't break them out until after Kakashi hit him with Lightning Blade, taking out the Water Mask.
@@espurrseyes42 i already knew tht. Thts my point
Why did Deidara hate Orochimaru/wanted to kill him so badly?
in the anime, its due to the encounter that they have. Deidara tried to kill Orochimaru with explosives, but Orochimaru got away and Deidara got a tad salty and swore to kill him eventually
@@JuubiTaz oh ok thx for clarifying :D
@@JuubiTaz So Deidara wanted to kill him because he didn't/couldn't kill him. In Deidara#s head, Orochimaru surviving is an affront, to escape is to disrespect his art!
@@TheEyez187 apparently its not that hard to live in Deidara's head, Lets not forget that Sasuke hadn't met deidara yet & deidara still wanted to kill him
Because if orochi never left then he wouldn’t have been recruited to the akatsuki
I agree with the entire video
we all hated orochimaru, and we wanted him dead back then.
Not me. Even while being *terrified* of him, I wanted to see him around more and run my fingers through his long sleek hair. His dark charm is fascinating🐍
@@kiravampira1456 Oh ok, nice
The only one I wanted dead back then was schoolgirl, Sasuke crush Sakura!
When Naruto/4 tails (Tenchi bridge) smashed Sakura, I thought it was good. Not for the above reason, but for all the times she monster strength smacked Naruto. I saw it as fair and that she was owed!
Nah he's chill af
Does black zetsu > than kakuzu?
Becase kakuzu got blitzzed by base naruto and Black zetsu was playing with a naruto kcm1 clone
Hmm .. you may be cooking, but then again that Black Zetsu also got slashed by Chojuro so idk. Also its one of his million clones so its hard to scale him to the original
Orochimaru ran up on a younger *healthier Itachi
What about the war arc orochimaru with the better edo tensei and a zetsu body
I talked about it towards the end of the video. If he could summon the first 4 Hokage then the 1st 4 Hokage would solo (obviously lol, Hashirama PLUS KCM Minato ??), but it feels disingenuous to count that as a win for Orochimaru, esp since he cant control Hashirama
@JuubiTaz okay let's say he summons all the hokage except hashirama because he pretty much admitted that hashirama could break out of his control
he can beat all but itachi obito and nagato
basically
Pain almost lost to jariya if oro summons edo on him he dies
I like pervy sage but he definitely didnt almost beat pain... he struggled with three paths and got destroyed by six
Pain mid diffed jiraiya there, keep in mind the only strong path that was fighting him was the asura path, what does jiraiya do against deva path? Sage mode Naruto lost to a tired deva path pain after nuking the whole village. He also beat an 8 tails Naruto and he only got saved by minato stopping him from being the full nine tails
@tidalripplewave Pain himself said jariya could’ve merked him… if he coulda caught all 6 in genjutsu its gg & he was getting jumped & still killed 1 pain if he had help he kills all 6… any pain that could seal would die during combat by oro & the edos
BTW pain did not beat the 8 tails he dn died to the 6 tails & ran for his life & all minato did was tighten the seal & talk to his son.
@@JohnnyX225 most likely talking about the three paths, because if you truly believe imperfect sage jiraiya is perfect sage mode naruto level youre trippin, also the 8 tails was not getting out of the planetary devastation whether you like it or not, minato took him out of his tailed beast mode which stopped the planetary devastation pulling him in 💀
@ Tendo literally was the one who said it he wasn’t even there when he cast the technique obviously he meant all 6 paths don’t start this lying crap!!!
& a even bigger lie is thinking pain could beat 8 tailed Naruto..ur either uneducated & didn’t watch or ur just lying …he believed he caught Naruto in chibaku tensei & whilst Naruto was still evolving he turned into the 8 tails breaking out & pain even knew it he broke out he tried all he could to hold him in!!! All minato did was replace the seal lil dude