7Hz Timeless Review: Can we trust Crinacle?
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- The 7Hz Timeless planar magnetic iems are probably one of the most hyped pairs of earphones in recent times, endorsed by the man himself, @crin , who rated them A***
So I thought I'd take a belated look at them to see how they sound to a distinctly average audiophile! I bought these myself, so you can be sure that the views here represent my own unadulterated opinions!
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Crin isn’t infallible, but it’s fact he’s been responsible for some genuinely good iem finds (the Timeless is legit at $200) and collaborations that actually moved the needle in this hobby (Moondrop Dusk is already a classic and the Yume Midnight’s are on their way when it’s all said and done).
Don't forget about his new planar iems
@@maegnificant You mean the 7hz Dioko. Nope, haven’t forgotten. They’re just not worth mentioning. They’re an inferior version of the Timeless and priced accordingly. You get 70% of the performance for 50% of the price. Sure that’s a good value, and such products have their place in the market, but the Dioko will not be a mainstay recommendation across the board for most audiophiles the way the Dusk or Timeless is. There’s nothing special about it.
@@mensrea1251 how do you know that though? Have you heard it?
@@maegnificant It's been reviewed (not one reviewer has said it's an all time great - it's good for it's price, but at $99 that's not saying much), the graphs are out (reduced mid bass where the Timeless was perfect; less energy in the upper mids and treble where the Timeless truly distinguishes itself - so, why bother?), and Dioko is HALF the price of the Timeless by the same company released less than a year apart. The Timeless is still selling out. 7hz won't be releasing a greater version of the Tmeless for half the price while still trying to sell the Timeless. ChiFi has changed the game for value, but there's still only so much you can do for under $100. That's reality.
@@mensrea1251 I dont know, all the aspects of this hobby are so subjective. I respect your arguments but I would personally love to try this one out some day.
Great and honest presentation
I’ve got Crin’s Midnight and I found them to be awesome..and FUN!
I also ordered the latest 7HZ/Crinicle collaboration and hope for the same signature.
Decent bass / clean midds and a touch of sparkle on the top😋
Great video 👍
Dude you're everywhere!
@@sawsaw7 Been home with the Couf the last couple of days ..and thank you 🤧☕️👍
I would never buy anything with his name on it, not after the crn debacle.
I'd really like to hear your thoughts and comparison of the Timeless vs the Dioko. I've got enough IEMs to be happy,, but the Timeless has always been of interest. With the Dioko coming though, I'd like to know if it gets close for half the price.
Timeless has very bad QC issues. So wait. S12 also has QC issue but that is their lid giving up on cheap glue.
I have one and it still sees a fairly amount of use, no QC problems whatsoever to this day and it's my to-go IEM while i'm not at home. My first impressions of the Timeless were "holy crap, bass!" which I wasn't expecting from a planar at all. Then, the TOTL separation was the first thing that caught my attention. It's really that good. The resolution and level of detail is also TOTL, there's not a single thing that goes unnoticed in a track with these. Really don't get folks who look down on the Timeless and I also don't know why people are so finicky when it comes to the so-called "planar timbre". It's ridiculous what this thing can offer for $200.
I really like the format of your reviews. Looking forward to the 7hz + crin review. Hope they send you one!
7hz X crin not +
Salnotes dioko! If you still dk go search!
You knew what I meant.
I personally think IEM’s are very subjective because factors like fit play such a key role in overall sound quality. I bought the TINHiFi T3 plus based on some positive reviews and really like them. I wanted to know what the ‘next level’, as one reviewer put it, sounded like, so then went for the Moondrop Kato. Many rate them as being as good if not better than the Timeless, but for me they’re severely compromised due to the extra weight. Unless I’m sat very still they fall out quite easily, particularly with the well regarded stock tips, none of which fit me well at all. Only the supplied memory foam tips stay in for me. On that basis alone I wouldn’t personally recommend them.
On a side note can you trust any reviewer as we don’t actually know how good their hearing is? Quite a few I follow wear glasses, so their eyes have developed a slight imperfection over time. What’s to say they’re hearing isn’t the same. What suits them might not suit you or me at all.
It’s a fair point, although I think crin is more “objectivist” than most reviewers. In this case, I agree with him. The timeless are very light and comfortable too.
Agreed; I have a pair of RHA t20 Wireless that sound completely different depending on fitting. They are wildly inconsistent and can sound either amazing or terrible, depending on source and depth of insertion. They also seem to take around 10 minutes to warm up (although obviously this could well be just my imagination).
Actually the Sundaras are also very subject to the environment; when I lie on my couch, the proximity of the cushion affects the sound quite a lot (you can test this by moving a cupped hand back and forth). My other open-backs are not nearly as sensitive.
Fit is so much more important that nuanced tuning signature imo.
You could not appreciated the beauty of the sound produced by iem if the fit ruins your experience for short or long sessions.
If you have small ear or large ear canal this becomes even more important because some designs are just plain faulty in that department despite being well tuned.
Very interesting video! After finding myself at a local IEM cafe I've actually had the opportunity to experience a whole bunch of IEMs, one of them being the 7Hz Timeless and I've learned that I actually have a slightly different preference from crinacle, I actually like them, but I thought they were a bit boring. They were good, they did what any good IEM does but it just didn't have that spark or that kick that made them enjoyable when listening to the songs I like. For example, I actually liked the IE900s a lot more than the IE600s or the Sony Z1Rs. But who knows, maybe I might change my mind after listening to more weirder songs that I usually listen to and see how they perform on those.
I personally learned the hard way not to crave for bright gear as it doesn't bode well with long listening sessions for me. But who knows, maybe both me and Crinacle are built different.
@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk makes a ton of sense, am so excited to keep trying more and see how I feel about them
Are you from Malaysia? Cuz I been to a similar settings here :)
@@RajeshRavindranathan yep
@@97Syahmie heh, ok. mesti Starpickers tu. :)
I thought crinacle has a beef on the timeless bc it is too big to put into the ear.
I was thinking of getting the Timeless and ended up going for the Shuoer S12. It is also a planar IEM, about the same performance (as others say) and a bit cheaper. I got it on sale.
I nearly went for the s12, it's about £50 cheaper than the timeless at the moment. However, whilst they seem to be very similar the timeless seems to be a bit darker, the s12 a touch brighter.
I don't think 7hz had any idea what they had on their hands with the Timeless.
May account for the qc issues as they simply weren't ready for the deluge.
It's a true market shifter.
Is it perfect?...nope definitely not but its bloody good for the money.
For the Price they are ok. I got them but sold them immediately again. Don't expect to much if you buy the them.
Listening to this review on a Timeless. lol.
Honestly, as someone who listens to a lot of EDM, I never thought a pair of in-ears could match a subwoofer. It’s nice.
thats acool description lol I listen to Illenium, Odesza, Hans Zimmer
hows the soundstage? wide?
Try the ikko oh10
Save for the variations. It’s a whole other level of bass.
Everyone listen differently (wouldn't call somebody hear better or hear poorer), pointing at our unique ear canals, in the end I am just glad even different people can hear the same music
Thanks for the recommendation. I got the 7Hz Timeless and appreciate its resolution and well-crafted bass. Soundstage is so-so but this is a closed back. I would love to hear what you think of the Raptgo Hook X or a similar planar open back iem.
I'm trying to get a hook x - so far no luck
Hey Audio Fixation! I’d love to hear your thoughts on the Edifier STAX Spirit S3. They are a wireless planar headphone… I’ve heard very good things about these, but there are not many English reviews of these.
At least you're honest about the clickbait-title^^ Lovely review, thank you.
The title is just a bit of fun ☺️
Just got mine today, im a drum and bass head, heavy rock, they are simply 'Timeless' next level game changer for the £165 i paid, im honestly in love, i even ditched my GF 😆
Still enjoying my Timeless after 7 months. EQed to suit my taste. And i got mine slightly under usd192.
That’s a good deal!
i wanna get the Timeless and also the Dioko, but since I'm limited on funds I have to choose between the two, because we don't have a audio store which have any of these 2 IEMs , so i'm not able to test em out. Do i go for the Timeless or the Dioko. hmmmm
@@ryuno2097 just get the Timeless, you won't regret it
@@lancewood1410 okie boss 👍
Thanks for your review. I've had the shure 846 for years and years and love them. I'm very curious if you see any other pros and cons before I splash out on the 7hz!
Also, very interested to hear your thoughts on the Edifier stax Spirit S3.
great review - very informative, concise and entertaining
thanks
I CANNOT wait for the Tanchjim Solos to come out!!!
I just found your channel and I'm impressed that you're honest about the click-bait title. That made me subscribe. Keep it up!
Thanks!!
Always enjoy your videos and have been following you from the start. Disappointed to see Kristin Hersh is not on Apple Music in North America. This doesn’t happen often.
Oh no! That’s a great album - track it down if you can. Thanks for following and watching 👍🏾
pure comfortwise, how do they compare to the shure's?
Do you also have on hand experience with the Shure Aonic 4.
I wanna get either the Aonic 4 or the Timeless, but the shape of the timeless is offputting for me since im scared it won't be as comfortable as my shure se215's.
As someone who is using the timeless right now it's fine when I am on the go and need an IEM
Just came across your channel and have subscribed.
Hopefully, you’ll get a review unit of the 7Hz x Crinacle: Salnotes Dioko as I’m sure many of your subscribers would be interested in your comparison between the Timeless and Dioko.
Besides an “out of the box” comparison, it would be great if you tuned the Dioko to the Timeless to see how they compare using the same tuning. Would I buy the Timeless at $199 or buy the Dioko and a Qudelix 5K dac/amp/equalizer for $210 instead???? Probably the Dioko and Qudelix if the Dioko is fairly close the Timeless.
Best of luck with your channel!
Many thanks Dino. I'm keen on getting a pair of the dioko Asap
I had the S12 but it was sillibant and returned it via Amazon. Just ordered tht crinicle planar and thinking it will be similar tuning to my og monarch. I am looking for more of a clairvoyance tuning from a planar. One side of my clairvoyance shells has a bad hump when made and causes me pain. I bought the issue up with linsoul but they blew me off. If beggar made a planar with his tuning I'd get that right away.
These are my favorite pair. Great review.
Thank you for this. Any thoughts on the Flare E-prototype?
Looking for reviewd before zeroing in towards timeless,..
Like to hear some points of comparison with moondrop KATO,
anyway good review, thanks...☺️
Cost aside, which sound better? These or the SE846?
lol 🤣
I Have The LetShouer S12 Which Is My 1st Experience With Planar And I Was Hearing Thing In My Headphone Test Playlist On Tidal aThat I'd Not Heard Previously
i guess to each ear his own, it did not sound the same to me at all...for me at least, the timeless is a step ahead, unboxing, bells and whistles, waifu - if that matters to you, build quality, cable - the kato takes the cake, but when in comes to sound quality, the experience is so visceral...remembering those good old times of hi-fi...
Crinacle might be good with hearing sound, it doesn't mean his opinion matters more than others. Many of his recommended IEMs are not really good at all, at least not my taste. Also I don't like the way he edits his videos. How he pauses and how camera closes up. Plus, he says "don't die" in the end of video. To me that's very strange thing to say. I don't think I share same values as he does.
He’s certainly a peculiar chap with a dry sense of humour!
This showed up in my recommendations today, and I'm so glad it did. Looking forward to more content, keep up the good work!
Thanks for watching and for the great feedback!
Is there a reason why they let you choose between 3.5mm and 4.4mm for the 7hz Timeless (I got the 4.4mm one btw)? Isn't 4.4mm always the way to go?
No? 3,5mm has been the standard for decades and it makes no audible difference
Only a small minority of people has access to equipment with a 4.4mm pentacon balanced jack - so it makes sense to support the much more widely available 3.5mm standard, which I have always been very happy with!
@@maegnificant false. It makes a fairly big difference if you’re used to critical listening
Bro, u bought 3.5 single ended rite?
Try pentaconn 4.4 bal.peace!
Im no fan of Crinacle. He hates the SE846, the Audeze LCD (most of them) and the Denon D7000. I think all 3 are A level
Great clickbait. As long as it’s not too dishonest or arrogant loved the thumbnail. Reeled me in, great video love my timeless. It excels but just with a couple flaws.
Have the Shure 846 and wonder if it's worth getting 7hz too?
Completely different flavor
Have the SE846 too and tried experimenting another IEM. Ended up returning the purchase. I'm no longer affected by the hypes out there nor want to build a collection in the short term.
I recommend these headphones, a great purchase
I auditioned the Timeless and Kato and I bought the Kato. Both sounded similar but I loved the cable and the eartips and the tuning options of the Kato.
with respect bruh, i have them both, i guess to each ear his own, it did not sound the same to me at all...for me at least, the timeless is a step ahead, unboxing, bells and whistles, waifu - if that matters to you, build quality, cable - the kato takes the cake, but when in comes to sound quality, the experience is so visceral...remembering those good old times of hi-fi...
@@insenjojo1839 rats, maybe I should have spend more time auditioning them.
Nice video 😁
BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!! GET 7Hz X CRINACLE SALNOTES DIOKO!
You should remember that crinacle is just a bussinesman not an audio engineer.
Yes… yes we can
Loved the review, wanted to offer some more casual listener input to anyone looking to purchase. I ordered the 7hz Timeless a month back and had some serious QC issues (about 4db imbalance to the right)
To preface, im not some experienced audio veteran but I mix and produce for a side hustle and just generally love music. Nevertheless I own a pair of V-Moda M100 masters (i’m a geek for that sub rumble) and I was hoping these would be an upgrade. I think I may have set my standards a bit too high. Don’t get me wrong I loved them (sent them back due to qc) but really they ever so slightly edged my m100 out in vocal clarity and lose disproportionately in sound stage (positional reproduction is fine it’s just an IEM so it feels like it’s inherently more in your skull). The resolution was incredible and that sub rumble I love so much was definitely there but I personally couldn’t justify $200 on a pair that ever so slightly edges out my mains (I also didn’t want to deal with more QC). On the sibilance note, as a 19 yr old with some treble sensitivity I did not have any issues on high quality recordings however the low quality underground hip hop tracks were borderline painful (really not a knock on the timeless just my taste in music haha). Look, their great iems but I think sometimes I ride this hype train of these are going to be so far out of the park that it makes really good IEMs a disappointment when they don’t just dunk on my $300 full size headphones. I would say for $200 these are great, just don’t be like me and expect these to “redefine the price bracket”
on a side note, a track that I feel really represents the strengths of the 7hz is Expectations by LUCKI (roast my music taste later), the 808 is so rich and full in the 7hz and the hi hats really gain this incredible clarity that aren’t presents in some of my other sets. Listening to that track on the 7hz and then going back to my airpod pros for daily running really ruined the pros for me lol.
Really interesting comments, thanks for posting. Sorry to hear that you had the channel imbalance issue.
@Audio Imperfect , i wait for better than salnotes dioko
Great clickbait title. Got me here and I enjoyed your video. Good job mate.
Looking forward to Crin’s Dioko release. I see HBB already has a review up on it. Great review, I agree with your findings 100%. Keep up the excellent honest reviews.
To each his/her own, but I wouldn’t expect too much. It’s basically a cheaper, watered down, inferior version of the Timeless. Reduced mid-bass when the mid-bass on the Timeless is just fine; less energy in the upper-mids and treble which is where the Timeless truly shines and differentiates itself, so what’s the point? The Dioko is priced at $99 by the same company that continues to sell out the Timeless for a reason. You get 70% of the SQ of the Timeless for 50% of the price, so the value proposition is clear - if you can’t afford the Timeless.
@@mensrea1251 Using Qudelix 5K or other EQ options, it's possible that some might find that it's "close enough" to the Timeless given that it's half the cost. Will be interesting to see how close it can get to the Timeless via tuning.
About that channel imbalance. To me it seems to be a recurring problem with planar magnetic anything as they seem to have a somewhat inconsistent treble performance.
Not sure if it's because of the nature of the motor structure itself or their larger size than a dynamic driver.
Edit: Wonder if a dual driver between a 14mm-ish planar as the woofer and a 5mm micro dynamic driver or a BA as a tweeter would give one of these a more consistent treble performance. Wouldn't necessarily call the PM's treble performance dealbreaking however.
I've heard that they have some quality control issues, heard many cases of one of the channels dieing in a few weeks...
Had them for more than a month, daily heavy use, so far so good 🤞🏾
@@AudioFixation good to know!
There are actually stuff competitive at 100 dollars too as good as this iem. Tuned differently for sure but its all about preference. Some want more bass then other's or as you said the treble can be too harsh and sound un smooth. I believe it's important for the consumer to understand these things before watching reviews because it's definitely easy to get lost on what to buy.
Well said Chris
@@AudioFixation , SALNOTES DIOKO! 99USD BETTER THAN TIMELESS!
@@STAYCBias I would be cautious about planar Stuff right now. It will get better but the graphs looks wonky for the treble(not talking about the quality control problem with the new crinacle iem). Could be a filter issue and I've seen some reviewers fix this with more damping done for the nozzle. If upper mid forward imes don't bother this will be fine however I'm a little fatigued with this frequency response. Graphs may not tell everything about how the treble may sound and I'm only going by that but atlest wait for more reviews. No need to buy it now it will be available for months probably
@@chrisstroud60 that 8khz peak is a driver problem. It’s practically impossible to tune it out. That said the hook-x is the smoothest treble (I’m sensitive too) I’ve heard below 650
@@MrColdchillin81 yea Im definitely passing on this one. I have the mele and been happy with it. I was going to get a t3+ but don't think it's much better except treble extension maybe. Also have the olina and it's great for details but lacks sub Bass in my opinion.
I think it's problematic for people that itself identify as reviewers to partner with companies so directly.
i think that is why he avoid to review dioko because he said that he will be bias with dioko
@@LuminousSpace he has never reviewed any of his collabs, due to the fact that he'd be biased.
This is a very subjective hobby. From my experience, once you find someone whose taste is close to yours, it’s quite safe to take his recommendation.
There is literally nothing subjective about this hobby. If you actually studied audio literature, you’d see that the desired frequency response of IEMs is basically the same amongst both trained and untrained listeners. Anything regarded as “preference” is just a deviation from accuracy and clarity
Not worth 190p just pick up the kz Crincle for 20 bucks your foolish or rich if your spending 190p for IEMs
KZ is trash, I own both the ZS10 and the Timeless, and the Timeless completely blows them away without even trying. KZ also lies about the specs on their IEMs, the extra drivers and armatures are dummy/for show, so they're scamming people too. Probably why Crinacle isn't promoting them at all through his site anymore.
Obviously you are not the target market. Lol
@@arc-audio are you the target market?
Not even a fan of the timeless I bought it and sold it. But is definitely worth the price even if you’re not rich. But audio should be a priority of your even watching this vid
not for me, Crin is not credible in terms of IEM, because his method (he doesn't have consistent insertion depth and doesn't say the distance from the reference plane to get his 8k peak) and his tool is not compliant (his 711 coupler doesn't have a good mic). Rin Choi is much better at measuring and also teardown of IEMs, but he stopped since 2014 (he used professional grade 711 coupler, not like Crin's Chinese clone 711). Crinacle should take the red pill and used his over ear measurement rig to redo as much IEM measurement he can, because his Headphone measurement rig is more accurate (GRAS 43AG7 with RA0042 Coupler, which is a bit problematic since it reduced the peak that is useful to know if an iem is shallow insertion or deep insertion type). Also Crinacle should really consider THD measurement, because Ear-Fi naver measuredly Timeless and it has baffling 5% THD (probaby 3rd order distortion too), which explains TImeless sharp sound. Also Timeless has pretty bad FR because it isn't linear and even had a dip around 4k, probably a sign of Phase cancellation in the housing.
I don't like Crin, I don't like his taste, I don't like his measurements - they are not that accurate as everyone thinks. Timeless are popular not because of Crin's blessing but because they are good by themselves.