Simply Beautiful! The TMP era ships can't be matched as far as realism and details that really speak to a actual functioning Starship. The Bozeman takes so many other great styling cues and details from that era and arranges them in a slightly different package that is more than the sum of its parts. Excellent work everybody!
I _really_ like this ship in almost every respect. I like that it lacks the bright needless animation that became so prominent in the TNG era which can seem very cartoonish where this seems much more realistic. I also really like the choice they made of where they put the name of the ship prominently on the saucer were the dome rises up and in so many ways I think this ship fits perfectly in the movie era along side the refit Enterprise and the Reliant. Going for a much more realistic idea of how a mechanical ship would actually appear in space without the more comic book or cartoonish details that often are seen. Although the engines glowed subtly in the motion pictures for the most part the machinery looks and acts just like machinery without the magic animated blobs. I think this is a home run hit to fit in the motion picture era. I'd like to see more designs along this aesthetic with the rectilinear and sharp edges along with other geometric shapes coming together to make this kind of handsome and "realistically functional" looking ship.
It looks like the primary and secondary hulls are definitely designed to separate. Assuming the original drawings this was based on were Excelsior concept art it would be fitted with transwarp drive. Depending on the exact separation plane, the primary hull could actually have the warp nacelles, which would be conventional. Leaving the secondary hull to be the transwarp module. Or the secondary hull retains the nacelles with the primary hull detaching, like the Galaxy Class. Either way, would suggest that the transwarp module may be regarded to be potentially more unstable than a conventional warp drive. So the primary hull can separate and hightail it out of there in an emergency. Which might explain why the impulse engines are so big.
When you took a look at the saucer from the top back, it reminded me of the Romulan ship from "Balance of Terror" with stubbier nacelle "wings" and pushed farther back.
Steven Baumann It's been a while, like 15, 16 years since I used to read Trek novels, but wasn't the Bozeman an Interprid class ship around the Dominion War?
+ Novo Eduardo AC Nope, it was a Soyuz class. A variant of the Miranda. It was trapped in a timeloop for ninety years. Supposedly it was refitted after being released by the Ent-D.
Very aquatic looking ship. And the way the secondary hull is connected to the primary hull via the nacelle struts is very Oberth Class-like. And the secondary hull looks like one of the sleek shuttles from TNG, but cut off. And yeah, it looks better upside down.
I really like the high nacelle variant of the Miranda class. You can do that in Starship Creator and it looks awesome. Making the rollbar pod a deflector array makes more sense to me and looks good too.
It looks like a ship that is between TMP era, and TNG. Sort of various advancements trying to be integrated into the vessel. I guess an experimental test-bed vessel. Not meant for mass production, but instead trying to test out new systems. Similar to NASAs X-31 EFM.
I dig it. The Miranda is one of my favorite ships. As a modular design, I can see the nacelles being flippable as well. Yank the pylons out and swap them the other way and reattach the nacelles (so they are not upside down, so that is mostly an aesthetic choice) so you can put the weapon or sensor pods on the top like the Reliant. Larger pods and you put the nacelles on top and the pod on the bottom. Use it as a carrier like this seems to be. Though that pod really does look a lot better on top. If the Kelvin films move into the movie era timeframe and bring in those designs and such, I hope they are paying attention here. I am quite happy imagining all the movie era designs really look like this, even the Enterprise.
I think that secondary hull would look much better the other way around, or flipped over and spun around so the shuttle bay was facing forwards, while maintaining the classic 'boat' style hull shape
This is a concept for the Excelsior as far as I know. It's from the production of Search for Spock. I think they must have gone with the more "Enterprisish" look in the end because it was supposed to be the hero ship at the end of that film. I really think this would have been better. Or any of the other three concepts they had for it. One of them is kicking around on the net as the USS Xavier and it looks good.
As far as I'm aware it was originally supposed to, but was changed to another Constitution Class because i think the reception for the Excelsior wasn't that good (I do like the Enterprise-B version more) I even think they make fun of that fact in Star Trek IV in the End.
The Bozeman is heavily featured in the trek book "Ship of the Line" and is classified as a border cutter. The star fleet border cutters are direct decedent of the US Coast Guard.
This fan design for the Bozeman is pretty cool, I agree that the secondary hull is very strange looking, maybe if they had kit bashed the Oberth secondary hull and treated it a shuttle bay or carrier bay for fighters. Would fill the roll of a carrier type for TMP era very well since they didn't really have any carriers.
i always figured that since the bozeman was actually only 20 years old, it travelled to the future, they adapted it and kept it in service as a museum ship, taking guests on cruises around local space, either that or captain bateson was given command of the new bozeman. the bozeman was orbiting earth when the enterprise arrived in first contact, the bozeman and another ship was ordered to fall back, the captain of the bozeman replied "acknowledged", and if you watch the film and turn up the audio its obvious the voice is kelsey grammer, i rekon there is a cut scene relating to that.
Like CA Foley, I picked up on the Oberth/Connie refit fusion aspect of the nacelles; in contrast to him I quite like them as is. I hope other fans adopt the nacelles for their designs. CA Foley & I regain accord on the secondary hull. There is, for example, a fanart movie-era Intrepid/Voyager precursor (NCC 2465) that these nacelles would improve, over the Oberth nacelles the OP used. I know, he was just following the Voyager's designer lead in making the nacelles too dinky...still, a mistake...
I like the ship design but my thoughts for the secondary Hull would move it forward to maybe mid saucer, level out the front to match the back and place the struts forward of the nacelle struts. I think that might work better.
As far as the secondary hull thingy..... I feel this design looks great without it, and the secondary hull is a mission specific add on to the core vessel. Would like to see a series of concept drawings of this vessel without any secondary and thing with a wide range of different secondary hulls. Would make this vessel similar in concept to the US Army HEMMT truck chassis with its mission specific modules
Really like most of what this ship looks like. The primary hull is different from the 1701 (refit) with more slope and the curves that the Reliant didn't have. And still easy to resolve the problem with the horrible 2nd hull (always foolish to use a transporter to move between hulls). (1) a small central neck to the 2nd hull. (2) wider struts on the sides into the 2nd hull = providing two ways to get to the 2nd hull. And of course fixing the bottom to something better. Or go with what they did with the Reliant. Get rid of it and sick on a photo torpedo bay onto a roll bar. Personally, wouldn't you rather not have photos shot by your bridge? :) Overall it looks good with the engines below... Again, love the saucer section, the back end, etc.. everything looks great.... but that battery-phone cover-looking bottom.
I think you guys really should make an official TrekYards Excelsior Variant to Stuarts specifications. Then we'll see if his idea would look better or not.
I think that if Stuart was in charge of anything it would never change. Without the change in the nacelles there would be no progression from Enterprise B, to the C Ambassador class, to the D Galaxy class.
As some one who lives in Bozeman, Montana. Im curious to learn about this ship named after my home town. Edit: At the beginning i was a fan of this ship, but by the time i saw all the views of it, not so much. I do like the USS Montana reference with NCC-1941
...i rather grew to like excelsior... it was a rather clunky but cute attempt at an embassy ship, and it kind of succeeded, admirals and ambassadors tended to like to have it as their home ship as far as i've heard.
From the top, very cool looking ship. Totally on board with it. From the bottom, looks like a train wreck to me. The secondary hull just doesn't fit. I think if the primary hull / saucer was inverted, shrink down the secondary hull a bit, I think it would look great. As it stands I would ditch the secondary hull entirely. It would for sure have an updated NX-01 look to it at that point.
Could you mark fanmade or non-canon modell Episodes. This is not the canon Bozeman from Cause and Effect. I expected the Soyuz class variant of the Miranda class.
Tezunegari we have already looked at all the canon miranda class varients and the souz was umon this...the thumbnail is clearly not the souz class...and if we were looking at rhe uss bozeman from the the episode would be called the soyuz class episode :)
*Soyuz You called this the U.S.S. Bozeman, so fans would expect the canonical U.S.S. Bozeman. This is super non-canon, as it retcons/deletes an actual canon vessel.
that secondary hull with the stepped front makes me think that its set up for mission specific modules, need a cargo trans ported to a new colony? plug in a cargo bay module, need a troop transport?, add a module with troop barracks and drop ship bays or mass transporters,need a survey ship? add a module with sensors, and lab space,
The impulse engines and shuttle bay door are too big, but I like this. The nacelles/pylons could use a little work too, but I take issue with the secondary hull not being "Star Trek" enough. You mean it's not enough of a kit-bash? It's not trying to be a tacked-on deflector dish section but instead be its own different thing. Going from the first pic, I'd have preferred the secondary hull were directly merged with the primary hull, but seeing that dome (bridge?) on the secondary hull in later pics, it looks almost like a planetary drop-ship? I can see huge ground vehicles or cargo exiting that big door.
That secondary hull either needs to go or needs a total redesign. Someone put a modified NX Refit secondary hull on the thing and then see how it looks.
It's funny, having seen that concept art two years ago myself, I tried my hand at making this design as well. Unfortunately, all the problems you gents brought up with the aesthetic were the ones I couldn't resolve to my own satisfaction when converting it into 3d. I guess Mr. Huffman just bit the bullet and did the best he could with minimal alteration to the original. More power to him, eh?
The engines were recognizable as Excelsior's right off the bat. I think it needs at least a small neck connecting the primary and secondary hull's. Those engine struts are not meant for major crew movement. Otherwise I could see this as between TOS movies and TNG series.
The secondary hull doesnt seem to fit for that particular ship. But with it removed even though its a kind of a Miranda Class ship it would look like a new version of the NX-01.
The concept art for the Excelsior reminds me of the NX-01. I'm with the Captain on the Excelsior too. I hate it lol. Such an awkward design! It's so 80's! Not at all timeless like the Connie or even the Miranda to a degree.
I actually like the way this ship looks. Maybe remove the secondary hull. Add more weapons and you'd have one very beautiful front line battle cruiser XD
I play STO and have a ship similar to this... A modified Soyuz Intel heavy Frigate It looks amazingly good... and looks like a heavy Frigate... armed to the teeth.
Is it just me or doesn't it look like the secondary hull has a bridge dome on it...maybe the secondary hull is designed to separate? That would explain the lack of a central link between the hulls.
What if what you are calling secondary hull is more like a Flight Pod/ Fleet Carrier design. If you think of it as a flight pod, but incorporated typical secondary hull features into it?
I have to disagree with you in that I LOVE that underside view of the secondary hull. What I really think is happening to make that underneath view look bad is the it's actually the PRIMARY hull which looks bad from underneath, and makes that entire view look crappy.
The nacelles look to me like an earlier version of the refit nacelles as if this was a version 5 years prior and then refined. I will like to see it without the secondary hull.
Looking in on it now, I don't like it as much as I did 6 years ago. I'd like to see a variant of this using appropriately scaled-down Excelsior nacelles. Practically no other ship ever used that nacelle design. Centaur-class came close but those were modded. This vessel reminded me of another fan design, the USS Albatross NX-1900 from @/Alvision100's "Chasing the Infinite Sky"
look at the excelsior study models... they used oberth style nacelles too. To me this looks like a oberth/miranda mash-up. so we've found another excelsior study? or is this an early oberth study?
... eh, with the glow.... I like this non glow. The secondary hull needs less... unless this becomes a carrier. I agree with the functionality of a merged secondary primary hull, but it looks better held by the struts.... I wish it had been in the movies, and filled a void, I believe existed in the visual presentation of the fleet.
Well that was disappointing. I thought this was going to be talking about the USS Bozeman, the ship that appeared in Cause and Effect in TNG and was mentioned several times in later episodes and movies.
From the top this would have been a great aesthetic for the new movies. That bottom pod really throws me off though, like what does the slit in the leading edge really look like, also is there even enough space in the pylons for a turbo lift to reach the secondary hull? It does not look like there is, so it runs into the Oberth issue. Delete that pod and I think the design works perfectly.
Simply Beautiful! The TMP era ships can't be matched as far as realism and details that really speak to a actual functioning Starship. The Bozeman takes so many other great styling cues and details from that era and arranges them in a slightly different package that is more than the sum of its parts.
Excellent work everybody!
I like this ship. Secondary hull does need to be tweaked a little. But, overall, I'm good with it.
I don't know how you guys do it, making 30 min videos on the regular. I'm glad you do though!
I _really_ like this ship in almost every respect. I like that it lacks the bright needless animation that became so prominent in the TNG era which can seem very cartoonish where this seems much more realistic. I also really like the choice they made of where they put the name of the ship prominently on the saucer were the dome rises up and in so many ways I think this ship fits perfectly in the movie era along side the refit Enterprise and the Reliant.
Going for a much more realistic idea of how a mechanical ship would actually appear in space without the more comic book or cartoonish details that often are seen.
Although the engines glowed subtly in the motion pictures for the most part the machinery looks and acts just like machinery without the magic animated blobs.
I think this is a home run hit to fit in the motion picture era.
I'd like to see more designs along this aesthetic with the rectilinear and sharp edges along with other geometric shapes coming together to make this kind of handsome and "realistically functional" looking ship.
It looks like the primary and secondary hulls are definitely designed to separate.
Assuming the original drawings this was based on were Excelsior concept art it would be fitted with transwarp drive.
Depending on the exact separation plane, the primary hull could actually have the warp nacelles, which would be conventional. Leaving the secondary hull to be the transwarp module. Or the secondary hull retains the nacelles with the primary hull detaching, like the Galaxy Class.
Either way, would suggest that the transwarp module may be regarded to be potentially more unstable than a conventional warp drive. So the primary hull can separate and hightail it out of there in an emergency. Which might explain why the impulse engines are so big.
When you took a look at the saucer from the top back, it reminded me of the Romulan ship from "Balance of Terror" with stubbier nacelle "wings" and pushed farther back.
Wait. Wasn't the Bozeman the ship that crashed into the Enterprise-D?
Yep. The timeloop episode with Kelsey Grammer as captain at the end.
Dralin Light I thought so! Well. That's one hell of a refit. More like a new ship.
Steven Baumann It's been a while, like 15, 16 years since I used to read Trek novels, but wasn't the Bozeman an Interprid class ship around the Dominion War?
+ Novo Eduardo AC
Nope, it was a Soyuz class. A variant of the Miranda. It was trapped in a timeloop for ninety years. Supposedly it was refitted after being released by the Ent-D.
Novo Eduardo AC you are thinking of the Bellopheron
Very aquatic looking ship. And the way the secondary hull is connected to the primary hull via the nacelle struts is very Oberth Class-like. And the secondary hull looks like one of the sleek shuttles from TNG, but cut off. And yeah, it looks better upside down.
This ship at first glance definitely gives off the vibes for prototype for the Miranda class
I really like the high nacelle variant of the Miranda class. You can do that in Starship Creator and it looks awesome. Making the rollbar pod a deflector array makes more sense to me and looks good too.
I suppose one could always try to fly it upside down in relation to other ships to give them the most flattering view
Ok, I laughed :P
It looks like a ship that is between TMP era, and TNG. Sort of various advancements trying to be integrated into the vessel. I guess an experimental test-bed vessel. Not meant for mass production, but instead trying to test out new systems. Similar to NASAs X-31 EFM.
I dig it. The Miranda is one of my favorite ships.
As a modular design, I can see the nacelles being flippable as well. Yank the pylons out and swap them the other way and reattach the nacelles (so they are not upside down, so that is mostly an aesthetic choice) so you can put the weapon or sensor pods on the top like the Reliant. Larger pods and you put the nacelles on top and the pod on the bottom. Use it as a carrier like this seems to be. Though that pod really does look a lot better on top. If the Kelvin films move into the movie era timeframe and bring in those designs and such, I hope they are paying attention here.
I am quite happy imagining all the movie era designs really look like this, even the Enterprise.
I think that secondary hull would look much better the other way around, or flipped over and spun around so the shuttle bay was facing forwards, while maintaining the classic 'boat' style hull shape
This is a concept for the Excelsior as far as I know. It's from the production of Search for Spock. I think they must have gone with the more "Enterprisish" look in the end because it was supposed to be the hero ship at the end of that film. I really think this would have been better. Or any of the other three concepts they had for it. One of them is kicking around on the net as the USS Xavier and it looks good.
As far as I'm aware it was originally supposed to, but was changed to another Constitution Class because i think the reception for the Excelsior wasn't that good (I do like the Enterprise-B version more) I even think they make fun of that fact in Star Trek IV in the End.
The secondary hull looks like it's part of the progression towards the Springfield class.
Those nacelles are really closely related to the USS Grissom style nacelles. And the Bozeman was a Soyuz class ship. But this model isn't terrible.
I fucking LOVE IT been drawing a similar ship for ages
the sections behind the bridge reminds me of the defiant class , cause of the blunt stepping and staging towards the aft.
Really like the skillfully modeled ship. clean lines.
The Bozeman is heavily featured in the trek book "Ship of the Line" and is classified as a border cutter. The star fleet border cutters are direct decedent of the US Coast Guard.
I guess like the Coast Guard gets used Navy stuff, they get used Starfleet stuff.
This fan design for the Bozeman is pretty cool, I agree that the secondary hull is very strange looking, maybe if they had kit bashed the Oberth secondary hull and treated it a shuttle bay or carrier bay for fighters. Would fill the roll of a carrier type for TMP era very well since they didn't really have any carriers.
The Art Deco feel of the refit, with the Oberth with an Exelsior-ish shape of the nacelles
i always figured that since the bozeman was actually only 20 years old, it travelled to the future, they adapted it and kept it in service as a museum ship, taking guests on cruises around local space, either that or captain bateson was given command of the new bozeman.
the bozeman was orbiting earth when the enterprise arrived in first contact, the bozeman and another ship was ordered to fall back, the captain of the bozeman replied "acknowledged", and if you watch the film and turn up the audio its obvious the voice is kelsey grammer, i rekon there is a cut scene relating to that.
I think the secondary hull would look a lot better if it was attached and blended into the primary hull.
Pretty ship. Good video. Nice commentary.
Hey guys i really like the job you guys are doing i love your shows.
I really like this variant !! nice take on the mIranda
Like CA Foley, I picked up on the Oberth/Connie refit fusion aspect of the nacelles; in contrast to him I quite like them as is. I hope other fans adopt the nacelles for their designs. CA Foley & I regain accord on the secondary hull. There is, for example, a fanart movie-era Intrepid/Voyager precursor (NCC 2465) that these nacelles would improve, over the Oberth nacelles the OP used. I know, he was just following the Voyager's designer lead in making the nacelles too dinky...still, a mistake...
I can't get over that shuttle bay though however it was just a concept drawing. It was probably rejected in favor of the Maranda class.
I like the ship design but my thoughts for the secondary Hull would move it forward to maybe mid saucer, level out the front to match the back and place the struts forward of the nacelle struts. I think that might work better.
If you add a 2nd o it becomes Boozeman and her captain was a decendent of Frazier Crane named Captain Morgan Bateson.
As far as the secondary hull thingy..... I feel this design looks great without it, and the secondary hull is a mission specific add on to the core vessel. Would like to see a series of concept drawings of this vessel without any secondary and thing with a wide range of different secondary hulls. Would make this vessel similar in concept to the US Army HEMMT truck chassis with its mission specific modules
Really like most of what this ship looks like. The primary hull is different from the 1701 (refit) with more slope and the curves that the Reliant didn't have. And still easy to resolve the problem with the horrible 2nd hull (always foolish to use a transporter to move between hulls). (1) a small central neck to the 2nd hull. (2) wider struts on the sides into the 2nd hull = providing two ways to get to the 2nd hull. And of course fixing the bottom to something better.
Or go with what they did with the Reliant. Get rid of it and sick on a photo torpedo bay onto a roll bar. Personally, wouldn't you rather not have photos shot by your bridge? :)
Overall it looks good with the engines below... Again, love the saucer section, the back end, etc.. everything looks great.... but that battery-phone cover-looking bottom.
I think you guys really should make an official TrekYards Excelsior Variant to Stuarts specifications. Then we'll see if his idea would look better or not.
I think that if Stuart was in charge of anything it would never change. Without the change in the nacelles there would be no progression from Enterprise B, to the C Ambassador class, to the D Galaxy class.
Wow. What a beautiful ship
As some one who lives in Bozeman, Montana. Im curious to learn about this ship named after my home town.
Edit: At the beginning i was a fan of this ship, but by the time i saw all the views of it, not so much. I do like the USS Montana reference with NCC-1941
Feels like a modded-up NX to me.
Captain - this just won me over *because* of that secondary hull.
That 2nd hull looks awesome
...i rather grew to like excelsior... it was a rather clunky but cute attempt at an embassy ship, and it kind of succeeded, admirals and ambassadors tended to like to have it as their home ship as far as i've heard.
the secondary hull resembles the shuttles runabouts and smaller explorers like the Raven Jenolan etc.
From the top, very cool looking ship. Totally on board with it. From the bottom, looks like a train wreck to me. The secondary hull just doesn't fit. I think if the primary hull / saucer was inverted, shrink down the secondary hull a bit, I think it would look great. As it stands I would ditch the secondary hull entirely. It would for sure have an updated NX-01 look to it at that point.
Could you mark fanmade or non-canon modell Episodes. This is not the canon Bozeman from Cause and Effect. I expected the Soyuz class variant of the Miranda class.
Tezunegari we have already looked at all the canon miranda class varients and the souz was umon this...the thumbnail is clearly not the souz class...and if we were looking at rhe uss bozeman from the the episode would be called the soyuz class episode :)
*Soyuz
You called this the U.S.S. Bozeman, so fans would expect the canonical U.S.S. Bozeman. This is super non-canon, as it retcons/deletes an actual canon vessel.
I did not name the ship the fan that made it did. The thumbnail is also clearly not a soyuz class :)
I like it, I think the look is more movie (real trek) era pre TNG and is an interesting what if take on the excelsior/miranda concept.
I'd say that the nacelles look like one of the 40's classy all chrome silver trains.
The same registration numbers from the Bozeman from TNG 's cause and affect with Kelsey Grammar so much for the soyuz class
I like this better than Reliant / Miranda design actually. Secondary haul is awkward, but even slight changes would make it shine altogether.
that secondary hull with the stepped front makes me think that its set up for mission specific modules, need a cargo trans ported to a new colony? plug in a cargo bay module, need a troop transport?, add a module with troop barracks and drop ship bays or mass transporters,need a survey ship? add a module with sensors, and lab space,
The impulse engines and shuttle bay door are too big, but I like this. The nacelles/pylons could use a little work too, but I take issue with the secondary hull not being "Star Trek" enough. You mean it's not enough of a kit-bash? It's not trying to be a tacked-on deflector dish section but instead be its own different thing.
Going from the first pic, I'd have preferred the secondary hull were directly merged with the primary hull, but seeing that dome (bridge?) on the secondary hull in later pics, it looks almost like a planetary drop-ship? I can see huge ground vehicles or cargo exiting that big door.
That secondary hull either needs to go or needs a total redesign. Someone put a modified NX Refit secondary hull on the thing and then see how it looks.
Lots of potential but a near miss on this one. That secondary hill could be reworked into about 20 variations that would work, or lose it entirely.
It is an excellent design!
The concept art photo, if you remove the secondary hull, it looks like it could be a TMP era variant of the NX-01.
It's funny, having seen that concept art two years ago myself, I tried my hand at making this design as well. Unfortunately, all the problems you gents brought up with the aesthetic were the ones I couldn't resolve to my own satisfaction when converting it into 3d. I guess Mr. Huffman just bit the bullet and did the best he could with minimal alteration to the original. More power to him, eh?
The engines were recognizable as Excelsior's right off the bat. I think it needs at least a small neck connecting the primary and secondary hull's. Those engine struts are not meant for major crew movement. Otherwise I could see this as between TOS movies and TNG series.
it looks great for an Engineering group to have. Secondary hull would be a module for doing work.
The secondary hull doesnt seem to fit for that particular ship. But with it removed even though its a kind of a Miranda Class ship it would look like a new version of the NX-01.
The concept art for the Excelsior reminds me of the NX-01.
I'm with the Captain on the Excelsior too. I hate it lol. Such an awkward design! It's so 80's! Not at all timeless like the Connie or even the Miranda to a degree.
This looks like the uss Phobos. Perhaps you can do a video on the Phobos next.
looks like a cool ship. i may build it soon
The nacelles reminded me at first of the Akula class from Legacy. But nope, closer to Oberth nacelles!
That USS BOZEMAN
looks like the ship from
the movie ZAPPED
I actually like the way this ship looks. Maybe remove the secondary hull. Add more weapons and you'd have one very beautiful front line battle cruiser XD
Thought it would've been the Soyuz-class Federation starship of the same name, seen in 'TNG' episode: 'Cause and Effect.'
tkon04 that ship was a soyuz class...this is a fan bozeman class (we assume)
the bozeman was actually in First Contact if only mentioned
She was also mentioned to have had to correct her course because of the Nexus in Generations. The Bozeman is a busy bee ^^
I play STO and have a ship similar to this... A modified Soyuz Intel heavy Frigate It looks amazingly good... and looks like a heavy Frigate... armed to the teeth.
Looks like the trailer hitch attached to the Miranda class. Where's the ball hitch and u-haul rental logo?
Is it just me or doesn't it look like the secondary hull has a bridge dome on it...maybe the secondary hull is designed to separate?
That would explain the lack of a central link between the hulls.
The underneath view reminded me a bit of the Romulan ships from TOS.
The impulse engines are alittle bit big
Good looking ship, but how do you get to that secondary hull?
I bet if they turned the secondary Hull upside down so that it's rounded at the bottom just like the top it would be that much better.
Wonder if they will one day expand to cover other Trek topics, e.g. hand weapons. Can compare with those of other shows too.
It almost looks like a TOS-movie era "Springfield" class.
I keep waiting to see Samuel's superior work.
What if what you are calling secondary hull is more like a Flight Pod/ Fleet Carrier design.
If you think of it as a flight pod, but incorporated typical secondary hull features into it?
This ship looks like the helmet of the Golden Age Flash.
I have to disagree with you in that I LOVE that underside view of the secondary hull. What I really think is happening to make that underneath view look bad is the it's actually the PRIMARY hull which looks bad from underneath, and makes that entire view look crappy.
If that is the deflector dish on the secondary hull lol its a laugh. Looks like a computer floppy drive LOL
Beautiful Beautiful ship
The nacelles look to me like an earlier version of the refit nacelles as if this was a version 5 years prior and then refined.
I will like to see it without the secondary hull.
The secondary hull looks exactly like the Argo shuttle from Nemesis
I'm a fan. I like it a lot.
Looking in on it now, I don't like it as much as I did 6 years ago. I'd like to see a variant of this using appropriately scaled-down Excelsior nacelles. Practically no other ship ever used that nacelle design. Centaur-class came close but those were modded. This vessel reminded me of another fan design, the USS Albatross NX-1900 from @/Alvision100's "Chasing the Infinite Sky"
that ship looks AWESOME LOOOOOOOVE EVERY INCH OF IT!!!!! KUDO'S 2 U DISIGNER! :D
I'd prefer you guys put "(non-canon)" in the title of briefings about non-canon versions of known canon ships in the future.
look at the excelsior study models... they used oberth style nacelles too.
To me this looks like a oberth/miranda mash-up.
so we've found another excelsior study? or is this an early oberth study?
Overall, I like the design. Different, but definitely Star Trek.
Without the secondary it looks like a Hot Rod version of the NX01
Could that hook up to Cargo pods would make sense with that second a hall designed like it is
... eh, with the glow.... I like this non glow. The secondary hull needs less... unless this becomes a carrier. I agree with the functionality of a merged secondary primary hull, but it looks better held by the struts.... I wish it had been in the movies, and filled a void, I believe existed in the visual presentation of the fleet.
So... not the Miranda Class... but maybe the Avenger Class? Like the Miranda Class was supposed to be named.
That bottom peace turn it, so the smouth top is the bottom, that looks better.
Have you ever seen the Churchill class starship. That's a hulking sized ship
My first thought when seeing the secondary hull: why does it have a 3.5" floppy drive in front?
From the top it looks like a TOS Romulan Bird of Pray....
That's the Bozeman? Doesn't look like the one in "Cause and Effect".
so did the designer forget to add the deflector/s or do they too not know the difference between shields and deflectors
Well that was disappointing. I thought this was going to be talking about the USS Bozeman, the ship that appeared in Cause and Effect in TNG and was mentioned several times in later episodes and movies.
I thought the Bozeman was Soyuz class?
From the top this would have been a great aesthetic for the new movies. That bottom pod really throws me off though, like what does the slit in the leading edge really look like, also is there even enough space in the pylons for a turbo lift to reach the secondary hull? It does not look like there is, so it runs into the Oberth issue. Delete that pod and I think the design works perfectly.