$1500 CUSTOM SKI BOOT UPDATE...Two Months Later
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2024
- It's finally time for a boot update! As some of you know, I've been struggling with my new custom ski boots. This is going to be a bit of a long one going through what's been going on with these boots. We are going to do a little bit of skiing in this one, but it'll be mostly about the boots. I'll share more footage of the skiing in another video!
I also just want to add that I don't think this is Surefoot's fault. They have spent SO MUCH time on me, and I am very grateful. I know I have issues with my feet because I had a very hard time finding the right running shoes, and ski boots are much harder to figure out. Hopefully we are getting there soon.
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I just want to acknowledge how the world of intermediate skiers appreciate this great content!
Right!? It’s usually straight beginners or extreme skiers. Angelina is one of us. 😃
This is why I splurged for Zip Fit liners. They're expensive but so so comfortable and good and adjustable with more or less of their cork compound.
I have a ski boot method I have used for 50 years to a great deal of satisfaction. The process is a little arduous but well worth the effort. Go into every ski shop and try on every boot within your price range for your abilities. I mean every boot. Between boot purchases I tried everything because we know comfort and performance are mandatory. Foot beds are manditory as well. Good well fitting boots are a dream.
Without prejudice or any brand loyality it has been a life of Lange and now Technica. I have a size nine foot and I'm currently in a twenty year old Technica Icon size seven and a half that I cannot bag out or destroy after 300 days. No foot pain and I can leave them buckled tight all day with barely enough room to wiggle the toes.
Hi there. I appreciate hearing of your plight. For reference: I'm considerably older than you, but I have been skiing most of my life. So has my wife and daughters - but we all had boot pain, all five of us. My youngest 2 daughters switched to snowboarding as a result as the boots are pretty flexy and they have no pain. They never went back to skiing. My wife and me, and the oldest daughter, got custom fitted boots. For my wife - they had to do major surgery on the boot. They literally had to cut out pieces. My daughter and I didn't need as much modification. We all have custom foot beds and inserts. I'm skiing Technica Machs, 130, High Volume. My foot width is 2E and 3E in some sort of normal shoes, including sneakers. Even with the HV boots they had to do some "stretching" in places. My wife is on highly modified Dalbellos. My daughter didn't inherit our lousy feet, and she is pretty fine. with non-modified Dalbellos, just a custom foot bed. She lives up in Tahoe, and skis when she's not at work. But at least 3-4 days a week. (She manages my son-in-laws GC business. So as it's a family thing, she can take off whenever she can break free.) While I have been skiing since I was little - lots of decades ago - and I do ski the black runs, my agility has declined (I'm a senior citizen these days, so they say) so I don't go for pure mogul runs anymore.
You mention your heel isn't locked in. Mine isn't either. There is some possibility of small side to side movement. But front-to-back is totally locked in by that ankle buckle. I ski with the ankle buckle as tight as I can get it. Yeah, I know they say you should be able to just casually snap the buckles. But I tighten them so much I need both hands to clip it. The calf buckle I also tighten, and the power strap. But the other two, sometimes I just forget to buckle them. I have a lot of arch pain with my weird shaped foot, so the looser that is, the better for me.
I had boots before these Technicas. Had them for 25 years. When we moved they got shoved in a box in the garage, and during the summer, they melted and lost shape. I did have pain with them, though not so bad. I just always assumed skiing meant foot pain. When I got these custom Technicas, I was amazed. But yeah, as you say, there's some weirdness to them that makes me wonder about stuff. Anyway, my heels do have some very minor side to side movement. It hasn't stopped me one bit, but possibly if I was doing a lot of bump runs, I'd wish they were tighter.
Thanks again for recording your plights. What you are demonstrating is that you can throw money at this problem, and it could be that that doesn't even work. Wishing you pain free skiing soon.
I just got a pair, and after one day, I found the harder I ski, the better they feel. Standing around or skiing slow (waiting for others) and my feet hurt. I actually kicked my skis off mid-run while waiting for a friend's kid, and knelt down sitting on my heels. Felt great and got the blood flowing back in my feet, and was good for another couple runs. Also, my friend that has them said his were much better after about 10+ days of skiing.
I went to SureFoot a long time ago and had a bad experience. I have a very high volume foot with high arches. They introduced me to custom foot beds, which was a big help. I do not think they put me in a true high volume boot though. I struggled to get these boots on each morning and my feet were aching before lunchtime. The pain you experience sounds similar to what I used to experience. I do not know how large SureFoot's inventory is, but it does not sound like they put you in a boot that is appropriate for your foot. No amount of tweaking will fix the wrong boot.
When I first moved to Colorado, I bought a new setup from the REI flagship store in Denver. The salesperson that helped me select boots was very knowledgeable. She took one look at my feet and told me I should get a style of Dalbello's that I love. Before working with her, I did not know what a high volume foot was. They are the first ski boots that do not hurt my feet and allow circulation to flow all day. I may have gotten lucky with the salesperson I worked with, but I think this store sells a ton of ski equipment, so they seem pretty knowledgeable.
A couple years ago, I bought a touring setup. I worked with a custom boot fitter at Powder7 for this. They were very helpful. Once I told them how the Dalbello's worked for me, they were able to identify a touring boot that also works well for me.
Don't settle for boots that keep you from skiing all day. You should not need perfect form to prevent pain. If you do not get boots comfortable enough to take off piste, you will be limited in how much you can increase your edge angles on groomers. If I were you, I would ask for a refund. I would find a reputable boot retailer with a large selection of boots. As long as they can make custom foot beds, you should not need other customizations if they put you in the right boot. You are improving so quickly, I hate to see boot problems holding you back. Good luck!
Thank you so much for all of this! They did have my try a higher volume boot, but that hurt even more :( It makes me think the problem is in the liners and insoles
Good luck Angelina! Thank you for sharing your experience so far and looking forward to your future updates.
Thank you so much!
I've been skiing for 15 years and have had this exact foot pain issue. What I always did (and still do sometimes) is to unbuckle my boots on the lift. Yeah it can be a pain in the ass to buckle everything in every time you get off the lift, but you give your feet a break on the lift, and it's not like snowboarders don't do that all the time anyway, so it's not a huge deal. Also, boots can take a while to break in depending on how many days you're in the hill. My boots took like 3 seasons to finally break in.
3 seasons? OMG I don't think I can last that long. I've spent probably 10+ days trying to get these to work now, and most of the time it just ruins the whole day.
So sorry to hear your boot issue is continuing. Hope things get resolved soon and you're able to ski pain free. Love watching you shred!!
I switched to the 3-piece design that Full Tilt sold to K2. By far the most comfortable boot I have had, and good for off-piste\freestyle. Unless you want to race competitively I wouldn't have any worries about switching away from the traditional 2-piece structure. Though having the liner tongue positioned wrong can hurt just like any other boot. I personally think that loosening a boot a tiny amount can help a lot too, I found my happy medium between pain and performance about 5 full ski days in on the new boots.
K2 Revolver Team is what I have. Before was an old Nordica race boot.
Plenty of Full-Tilt brand used boots in smaller sizes, if you just want to experiment with the new design at a lower cost.
I suppose there are demos too if you have never been to one, but I think K2 has the patent on this new design.
Man I wish I had the chance to try the full tilt boots. I'll keep an eye out on fb marketplace
I've spent thousands of dollars on various boots working with some of them most well-known boot fitters in my area and nothing solved the pain. I finally gave up and bought a pair of Apex Antero boots which are more like snowboard boots but for skis. I haven't tried them on the slopes yet but just walking around in them they are more comfortable than ski boots.
Zipfit liners work best for me with the Sidas moulded footbeds.
I didn’t realise this video is last season, haven’t caught up to see if you are fixed up now, but it really stood out to me how much you are locking down that buckle and it might be distorting the boot. If you have bought a tight fit boot which is also stiff then you probably only need to loosely buckle.
Also, I feel boot fitters recommend boots that are too small for non professional skiers. I suggest renting a pair for a day in your old size. If random boots off the shelf next size you are more comfortable that tells you everything about your correct size.
I have tried a few different ways of buckling. I am currently trying a size up which is what my old boots were
Also (adding to my last comment), if you do go to another fitter, I'd recomending bringing video of your skiing. Seeing that can help them a lot. And it should be video someone else has taken, rather than something from your helmet cam -- that only shows your ski tips! And you want to fill up as much of the frame as possible. If you're tiny dot, it's hard to tell what's going on with your skiing.
Those custom fitted liners are not made for comfort, but for experienced skiers that want more control. If it is arch cramping it is most likely not a boot problem (unless they're too small), you "just" need to improve your technique till a point your feet will be more relaxed (you can invest in insoles but that will most likely not solve anything).
If it is something else like pressure points or rubbing you can try to re heat mold shell or liner, but your best bet would be to try something else, maybe some cabrio boots with wrap style liners.
And do not overtighten your boots it's useless ( there are also some ski boots with a walk mode that could help your feet relax throughout your ski day).
Sounds to me like the foot fits right, sounds like a mobility issue in the arch. Search up some stretches online to help with ski foot mobility. I got new fitted boots last season (went from 100-130 stiffness) and i felt hopeless with my boots, kept getting them adjusted. Kept having similar pain to what you're describing. A PT told me to try some different ankle mobility as well as foot mobility stretches as i might not have enough mobility and stiffness to flex the boot properly, I came back this season in the same boots i had pain in and it felt like i was on clouds. I was skeptical too but if you persist with stretching it will get better. Also, make sure you aren't compressing your arch inside the boot. A flattened arch will cause pain almost immediately, you can correct this by skiing with looser buckles.
nothing to do with your skiing form btw
This is all super helpful and I'll look into exercises! It definitely has some to do with my skiing haha, but I don't think still learning how to ski means one should expect terrible pain
I have high volume feet. High instep, high arch and wide toe area. It always takes me at least 2 years to get new boots dialed in and 5-10 trips to the boot fitter. Packing out the liner only does so much if the plastic shell is pinching your foot and creating bad pressure points. The boot fitter should be able to fix it. I have noticed that if you fix one item, you notice others. The whole reason for custom footbeds is that they can add or subtract material to alleviate pressure points.
Sorry to hear about your fitment situation. Try looking up Dodge Carbon Custom Boots. I've heard good things about them (I'm not affiliated). Good luck!
Dude told me that most people who have foot pain have weak foot muscles. As a person who has struggled with foot pain all my life I think this may be true. Roller skates, ice skates, ski boots and snowboard boots all were terribly painful for me from a young age. It's hit and miss too. I will have pain and then 30 minutes later it feels fine. I think you may be having cramping in your feet as opposed to pain from boot pressure.
I have the same issue, after 30-60 mins or so it feels fine. That first hour though doesn't feel great. I normally have to do a few slower runs to break it in and then I'm fine the rest of the day.
I had a lot of foot pain with my boots last season.
In November I went to asia and walked everyday.
Wearing the same boots I no longer have pain so I agree with this weak foot muscle hypothesis
Hi Angelina! I love your videos!!! I used to have a foot cramping problem because I was like clinching my feet inside my boots, which created cramping. I had to concentrate on relaxing my feet, and once I did that, things were better.
there was a recent video on bootfitting where a guy says that it's better to have a higer flex and the boot someway straigher vs more forward leaning angle than a softer boot , when you have a soft boot you might get cramps from compensating to be more in control ...
I don't know if this means anything but I usually only tighten the upper buckles and leave the lower ones completely loose. I also constantly remind myself to lean very forward for better technique/safety and a lot less pain. I'm also on rentals and have high arches if that matters.
Technique is absolutely part of this. Doing everything well is easier said than done, but you shouldn’t have to be an expert to not hurt so much you cant ski anymore
I have over-pronation, particularly in my right foot. I had a custom foot bed made for my boots and they were more comfortable than any other footwear I had. I could ski all day with no pain or discomfort whatsoever. However, I had pain in my foot if I had the above-arch buckle much more than snuggly done up; the pain increasing the tighter I did it. Try starting all your buckles at firm & snug, then tighten a little at a time. I also have arch support in my shoes, and if the arch support is a little too much, I will also suffer from pain. I guess it comes down to easing particular pressure points. I hope this helps a little. Good luck.
I’ve tried all sorts of tightness unfortunately. I don’t know if that’s the issue. I realized when skiing on my old boots yesterday that I had it pretty loose and the soreness was pretty minimal
@@angelinaoutside I'd stop mucking around anymore and look for another boot fitter; one with a high reputation. Once the fit is right and your boots are truly comfortable, your skiing will lift and be far more enjoyable. If you're worried about cost, think about what it costs to go skiing and the amount of skiing time lost. There's economic benefits in getting them done right.
I have had foam liners in different boots since the 1980s, including custom Strolz boots from Lech. I have had my arches hurt in all of them during the beginning of a session. Foam liners are tight and even though they are custom molded, being tight will affect blood flow, especially when new. The solution is to open your buckles after each run and if your arches hurt, just take your boots off for ten minutes, grab a hot chocolate and probably after that you are good as long as you unbuckle your boots after each run. Furthermore, If you tighten the top strap really tight, it will also prevent blood flow and eventually make your feet hurt, so you need to loosen that too, I have found loosening the strap helping quite a bit. Also, start your day with looser buckles and tighten them gradually. Do some easy, leisurely runs with loose boots or do some technique drills on a green slope.
My current boots are for a third season with a standard liner, custom surefoot soles, but with custom fitted shells. My boots are half a size too small, super tight and I definitely need to open them after each run and let my feet rest every now and then. I have narrow feet, but my malleolus bones protrude a lot and especially the outer ones are really far back and just about all boots are too narrow from the back and hurt when I put pressure on the tongue. A custom liner does not help if the boot is not wide enough where needed. I am contemplating in getting a thinner race liner from Surefoot or Zipfit as the standard liners have a little too much material at my outer lateral malleolus; maybe I should try to remove some material first ...
It is probably better to start with the shell and mold it to fit your feet before putting in a foam liner and if you boots are tight, open them after each run. When fitting, I like to take the liner out, buckle tight and knock with small hammer from the outside to find the pressure points. Thin socks or bare feet works best for me when doing this. I also prefer to ski with thin woolen knee high socks instead of thicker ski socks.
I hope you get your boots sorted out and good luck!
Thank you!!
Try pulling the insoles out of the liner and then skiing with just the insole in the shell. Sounds counterintuitive but I've had similar issues with boots in the past and it works.
Boot pain sucks… ultimately we always want to enjoy our ski time and it’s sucky when you feel something like your boots is getting in the way. Hope you can get is sorted ASAP
The current solution is some big comfy beginner boots haha
Check your blood pressure! I was having all the same issues as you. I have Lupus, have broken my legs, ankles, feet etc multiple times and am in my 40’s. I ski 100+ days a season on all terrain and was a ski instructor and ski patroller. I have custom orthotics from a surgeon/clinic, custom intuition liners and higher end boots yet I do one run and I’m in insane pain! After multiple problem solving and types of gear nothing would help. I eventually discovered if I did one run come to the chalet take my boots off have a beer or coffee. Then put my boots back on I’d be good for the next 12 hours no problem 😊. What I think was happening was due to being over weight, having a bad diet, etc was causing my feet to swell but since my liners were moulded to my feet, my cinch strap was really tight, buckles were tight etc the blood would get trapped in my feet. So by removing my boots it would release all that pressure, recirculate and the swelling would subside. So I checked my blood pressure and found sometimes it’s slightly high and I’d get hypertension, swollen feet etc but all I’d have to do is do one quick run go somewhere to take my boots off for 15-20 min then everything would be fine for the rest of the day/night.
Thanks! I'll give that a shot
I forgot to mention, the first shell they had me in was way to narrow. Had to get a HV boot then I took out those liners and rock hard soles that are giving you the arch pain. I know exactly what you are talking about.
Hey, I used to feel your pain, so very empathic to your issues. A few key questions. What is your foot width? Check outline how to measure it with pencil and paper. 99% of boots won't fit me and I saw probably the best boot guy in the world, he used to work for McCoy's (no longer there) in whistler and he took 1 look at my feet and customised the boot for me. It's been perfect for last decade. My friend had heaps of problem and also sold I'll fitted boots from surefoot, he also fixed her boot issues instantly. First step get familiar with your feet dimensions, width (last) e.g. most boots are designed for 90mm width feet. If you have slightly wider feet you'll feel nerve numbing pain in your feet around the soles of your feet. You should check ankle height, and calf width. All these things should check against the manufacturer of your boots and the boot fitter can change those things "slightly" but needs a base spec that's close. Anyone that suggest a liner mold would probably not be a good fitter for your situation given what you've shared.
Disclaimer that I am not a bootfitter but I think your boots might be too stiff for you. Boots that are too stiff can often cause more problems than boots that are too soft. On the back of the boot there's usually one or two little screws that you can take out which will soften the flex of the boot. You can of course put them back in if needed. Before you spend any more money I would try that out to see if it makes a difference.
Interesting. I might try that. Thanks!
This is a very good point. This may explain why she's more comfortable in her old boots in the bumped out and cruded out blacks. In addition to adjusting the back flex adjuster. You can also change the stiffness of the boot by just loosening and tightening the power strap and top buckle. Reilly McGlashan does a great job of explaining how to change the flex of a boot and for what type of conditions here.. ua-cam.com/video/kroDZrw6jUQ/v-deo.html
Stiff boots make beginners lean back, if they don't have the correct form. Boots are not the biggest problem here.
I recently saw this video from a boot fitter outlining the issues pertaining to flex ratings on boots. He was basically saying "stiffer = better" and soft boots basically shouldn’t be purchased.
My partner weighs 115 pounds and skis 110 flex boots. I ski 130 flex boots. I think 75 flex boots might give you too much front to back movement. Stiff boots keep you locked in to that good skier stance and don’t send you backwards as much, when you go backwards your feet tend to tense up, especially if your boot is also not snug enough on your feet.
Another thing a boot fitter told me was boots being too big and giving too much play will cause you to tighten the buckles too much to compensate and flatten the arch of your foot, creating arch pain (what happened to me). Getting a supportive foot bed with a nice curve for your foot inside a stiff boot that fits your foot properly is the way I fixed my arch pain issues.
I hope you find the right fit in the boot you have now, but sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on to something else…
I hope this didn’t give off mansplainy vibes. If I was in your shoes I’d want everyone to give me all the info they have. That’s the little info I was given by boot fitters over the years… hope you find the right fit!
Hey I really appreciate you taking the time to write all of this out! The flex stuff totally makes sense. I did feel better skiing on groomed runs with these stiffer boots, but I like to spend the majority of my time on ungroomed snow, which is where the pain can get really bad. Now that it's been about a year, I am also realizing that I simply needed a bigger boot, at least for now. I know some of this pain is technique related, but there is a difference between some soreness at the end of the run vs not being able to focus on skiing at all, which is where I was at with these boots a lot of the times.
Yeah I used to have to stop mid run and unbuckle my boots to make the pain go away, definitely messes up a good ski day!
Didn’t realize this was posted 10 months ago until I posted the comment. Glad you’ve found something that kinda works! Watching your Monarch ski lesson video now ! lol
Here is something that might help, I am not a doctor or claim to be, lol. I am wondering if it might help to go to a foot doctor and explain to him or her what is happening, custom orthotics might be a game-changer. I am flat footed as a duck myself and feel very lucky after watching you suffer. I hope you can get this resolved quick and get back at it comfortably!!
Good idea!
@@angelinaoutside I don't know... I mean, will you pay for that dr visit or orthotics (deductible, out of pocket, or other)? Seems like it could be more good money after bad. As a very similar level skier to you with old boots I'm trying to replace just like you, I can give my opinion FWIW... if you ski without pain in your old boots, do they make the exact same boot still just in a newer year? If not, can you track down the exact model/year boot in one size smaller off ebay? Either way, next slightly trim your old insoles to fit. Try to keep them like new while you try them for a few runs, so you can return them if bought in a store. If you like them then have them heat molded, if possible.
Lange boots have been pain monsters since the 60's when I endured it for over a decade. "Lange Bang" is no treat.
1) Do NOT by boots by "ability". Buy comfortable boots. The only folks that need ability based boots are racers who buckle up to the max for 60 seconds of a race....then unbuckle. In the boot world, "expert" or advanced" means stiff and sore.
2) Buy a boot that can FLEX. You'll thank me later.
Completely agree! I actually will have an update out soon
I started Skiing following what everyone said “Get tight boots, they need to be broken in..” and what did I get out of that? Same issues as you. Sod that I thought and i promptly bought a pair of Tecnica HV boots. My feet felt firm, but not “squeezed” and it was a game changer. I didn’t go to a Boot Dr - nope. Having a surfy style of skiing ( I’m a Surfer ) I picked this Sport up fast, and love Slarving around the place. Three years later - no pain and a worn out pair of boots. As they wore out, I wore thicker socks, but I digress.
Foot buckles should be finger tight - I found when I was over-zealous, my feet hurt - but, I was learning what worked. Boot Dr = No.
I needed new Boots - wide “last”. I tried several other Brands in-Store and if they were too tight straight outta the box - I moved to another Brand. Boot Dr = No
Bought some Atomic Hawk Magna’s - Placed foot in Boot in Store - “Nice, firm but not uncomf, can wiggle toes” and played around with the buckles “Sweet, might buy these” and off I went. Skied those the next day, and then for the week. Boot Dr = No
I read so-o-o-o many articles where you were told “They should feel uncomfortable in the Store - because they need to break in” and “If they aren’t, you can lose control” ah, ok, but I’m not a Ski Racer, who needs infinitesimal amounts of input at speed, so lets see how this all works out.
Two years on - aside from forgetting to stop and re-adjust upper buckles in the first 2 runs or so, guess what? Boot Dr = No
My foot doesn’t have a high arch, so this works for me, however - if I was you, and you have high arches - look for a boot that caters to high arches, and remember foot buckles should not be ratcheted down HARD…uh uh. One finger..pushy push-h-h *Click* Thats the sauce right there. If after a year or so, you feel more movement in the footbed, wear a thicker sock.
Don’t over think it. Personally, I think Ski Stores and Boot Drs are in each others pockets…
Thanks for sharing all this! Yeah I keep hearing they should be a little uncomfortable...but it's not just mildly uncomfortable! It's really bad pain sometimes! My 20 year old self would never imagine there's something more painful than heels lol
I have been skiing for 35 years and have a very high instep. So much, so the boot fitter was shocked, I got some sure foot boots 7 years ago in Park City, and after 1 day, they did whole new inners, then they were OK, but a little painful. I put that down to being so form fitted. Anyway, fast forward a few years and some days they would fit like a glove and some days, I was like you, and it made me feel like I was skiing like a beginner. If I did not spend 5/10 minutes making sure my foot was perfect in the boot before I skied, it would kill my feet, and I would have to take them off, rest for 20 mins, and then put them back on. Then I was skiing in Val Di'sere a couple of years later, and I had some trouble. Luckily they have a shop, and they shaved down the arch support, which seemed to help. But then came covid, and I did not ski for a while. Last year I was skiing over Xmas, and for the whole 6 days, they killed me so much that I did not want to ski most days. No matter what I tried, I could not get them to fit. Luckily I live in London, and they have a shop, so I went up there as soon as I got back, and they rescanned my foot and decided it was too high in the boot. So they took out the base plate, ground it down by a few millimetres, and did some new insoles. Since then, I have had two more weeks skiing, and it's like, I am not wearing any boots anymore, and I ski like I did when I was a teenager. They are expensive and can be hard work to get right, but when they do, they are the best set of boots I have ever had. And bare in mind, 6 years after buying my boots and 4 different visits to 3 different shops, they had all my details on file and did all the work for free. Even gave me new heel and toe plates for free.
PS. I should have added, I got to the sure foot shop in London 5pm, 1 hour before it closed and because of all the work they had to do, they kept the shop open till 7pm just for me. Also. I watched this video because I am often interested to see how people find Surfoot and seem to be so little content, but I hope you find the right setup. Keep on going.
Thank you for sharing! I think I’m going to take a break from going to them for a little bit again. It’s ruined so many ski days for me and I just need to enjoy myself for a bit.
Which new insoles brand did you end up using that made you feel not wearing any boots anymore?
Thanks a lot for sharing your story, and I'm sorry to know your bad experience... Actually I'm planning to get a new pair of custom fit boots as my old pair have been a little bit loose for me for some time. Now I think I'll hold back to see if it eventually works out for you. I know everyone has unique feet, so it may or may not work out. But for skiers from out of state like me, it would be a nightmare if it didn't work out immediately...
It will never stop hurting. Try another one. Loosen up a little. Just get FullTilt. Rossi is good. Dolomite is good. Lang can be OK.
I'm not sure if this will help but I got orthotics for my really flat feet a few years ago and they were really sore the first few weeks so maybe getting orthotics to wear all the time will help your feet get used to having arch support all the time rather than just when skiing.
Surefoot.!!!!! It either works for some people or absolutely doesn’t. In my case it was horribly uncomfortable . Like you I went back multiple times. In the end I pulled the surefoot liners out and the footbed. Went with a zip fit liner with a softer custom footbed. Never looked back at the surefoot liners. Not for me. The surefoot custom footbed is rock hard and the foam liners are way to tight on some feet.
Take my advice. Keep shells and get a zip fit with soft footbed.
OMG that is literally my latest theory. I think my feet swell skiing and those liners are too hard. Thank you so much for sharing!
Sorry to hear about your boot fitting experience. It’s been a while, but I like the Surefoot at Vail… it was easily accessible from the slope if I remember correctly. All I can suggest is to keep going back to the same guy if possible. Do some quick runs and check the fit… they my not be as interesting as the double blacks and tree skiing, but you’ll be able to make quick pit stops at the store. Have you tried wearing them around the house to pack out the liner a bit more?
I would love to go to Vail more, especially since I started out there. Unfortunately, I have the epic local pass and don't want to use my vail days dealing with this. I already did this once on my first day and I felt like I wasted a day at Vail.
Rossignol and Lange boots have very narrow width compared to other brands. Even the same last measurement of 100 mm, their boots are much more tight.
I stay with K2, they also bought Full Tilt which were my favorite. K2 also run wider
unless you buy one of those HV = High volume boots that are also very wide , speed 120 hv + one of the widest out there from rossi!
You definitely don’t need perfect stance or technique. When I’m tired I cruise in the backseat and stand straight up. Never had boot pain since I was a little kid, and that’s skiing all day from open until closed. I just need wide boots (K2). I feel for you, it sucks. Wish I could help. I never buckle down super tight, I go just tight enough, no more or else it’ll be painful
Did you ever post an update on this issue? Did they get the boot to fit properly, or did you wind up getting something else?
that does suck about your boots.. my feet have been moving in my boots lately.. i really notice it with my bigger skis.. i am still trying to figure out how to ski those skis so that is part of the issue for me.. another thing is i went skiing 2 thursdays ago and it was 1 degree when i got out of my car.. it took me forever to get my right foot into the boot because the boot was so cold.. then my feet really never did warm up that day.. so the cold plays a part..
Bone crushers by Surefoot, Overlap ski boots have not changed since 1960.
Maybe you should look at K2 BFC W 95. It’s probably the most comfortable boot for those who have high inseam and wider foot
I dealt with this same problem last year in jackson. It was awful and just kept going down saying what y’all did worked for like a run and now it’s killing me again. I went to grand targhee to another fitter and he was amazing. Come to find out I had a high instep and they had put me in the wrong boot. Got into the k2 bfc and the pain was gone and love the boot. Hope this helps
What boot did they put you in? And was this surefoot too?
@@angelinaoutside mine wasn’t fit through surefoot. I was in Lange rs 130. When I found out about the high instep issue it made a lot of sense why my foot was hurting so damn bad. I went from renting boots and having no problem doing any terrain on the mountain to buying boots and not even feeling comfortable on blues. I dealt with it for 2 days and they told them what the order bootfitter at targhee said and they checked for the high instep and they realized they had not done what they needed to during the original fit. They put me in the k2 and it was the gamechanger
@@jtbarnwell2212 Yeah I'm starting to think these Langes just don't work for me. I am trying some K2s this weekend, so I appreciate you sharing!
I’m having similar problems with my feet during skiing. I’m wondering how it’s going now and whether you’ve solved the problem - and how. 3:54
Also have you tried intrinsic foot strengthening exercises? That’s what I’m doing now, and just hoping it will help in time for my first ski trip in December.
Thanks for your videos!
Just get a pair of Nordica hf for ladies…..sorted, no orthotics 👍🚀
I had the same experience with my boots. Then I switched to snowboarding and haven’t looked back
You don't want to watch me snowboard lmao
softer insoles will make it hurt more, imo. I think stiffer is better, and also stronger feet.
Maybe collab with "patriot footbeds" it'd be cool to get his opinion on what might be going on with your boots/feet.
This might sound dumb, but maybe try a used stiff boot? Your used soft boots worked really well.
If something reasonable comes along in the second hand marketplace maybe haha
When you had custom fit as in Liner & Boot? Did they do a laser scan of your foot? How about a custom foot bed? Biggest thing for me is the foot bed-Arch support the custom foot bed gives me. I have wonky feet as I stuck an axe thru one foot. The Foot bed with the proper arch is all. I have never used custom liners but heat formed the stock liners and Shell. I ski on avg. 35 to 40 times a season… good luck…,
You should be able to ski with your boots unbuckled! If tight doesn’t work go the opposite direction… a little looser. I have a super tight top medium next lower . To bottom loose, just enough to set (On my problem foot)…
Pretty sure yes to all, plus numerous adjustments. I have arch support now but I think it might still be too stiff for my arches
@@angelinaoutside It almost sounds like impact pain. As it occurs in Mogels and steeps where you are impacting on foot much harder than Groomer Cruising… Bed to Hard & not enough cushion… or arch to low… just guess… Pain in arch/Plantar Fascia
@@sking3571 Yeah I think you are right. I might try asking them about giving me better cushioning
It may also help by doing Stretches for Plantar Fascia prior to skiing. I always do this as well as other stretching… Good Luck
you seem to travel a lot. Do you use a ski boot bag? If so, any recommendations? i know some bags may be too big for traveling on an airplane.
I just used a normal carryon suitcase for air travel
Have they ever properly measured your feet? (Computer based scan) I had constantly cramps in my feet soles in the past due to too big/wide/high volume ski boots. For this season I am getting the right narrow fit and custom insoles, hope it will work for me.
Yes, I was scanned and measured by multiple machines and everything was customized
I been skiing my whole life and have never bought 1500$ custom boot.. u need to try stock on the shelf boots. They will take time to break in. Keep in mind u were skiing in used boots that were already broken in.
I didn't know they were going to be $1500 until I finished the process lol I was expecting half that. Custom liners and insoles were what made them expensive
@@angelinaoutside yea I wish your friend gave better advice for someone still getting into the sport, I think you would of been better off just getting stock boots and liners and just custom soles
I have tried some stock boots, and they all hurt like crazy, so I thought it might be worth it to get them custom made. But the thing with custom made is...no refunds lol
@@angelinaoutside yea.. I'm sure they will get them dialed in.. sounds like maybe just the right foot needs some micro adjustment.
Also don't listen to ppl about a lesson. The only time skill comes into play is being able to flex the boot and even that still comes down to size somewhat.. has nothing to do with pain
I am curious how the cost of you boots ran up to $1500? I work a local family owned ski shop in New England. I would estimate $700 for the original boot/ factory liner, then $200 for custom molded footbed so that =$900 This leaves $600 for the Surefoot liner? You can buy a Zip Fit liner for about $450 and they are very highly regarded in the ski industry. There are also other aftermarket custom liners like Intuition liners that cost $200-$260. I realize you cost escalated but for $1500 you probably could have gone to Park City Boot and had Brent Amsbury a board licensed Pedorthists fit you.
I think it was something like $600 shell, and about $400 each for liner and insole. Plus tax. I was pretty shocked too
I've been looking into a lot of different boots. Check out Dodge boots.
Great video of your experience and I hope you finally found the boots that fit your feet. It's not you, it's the BOOTS! I went through the same journey and I worked with my local ski shop technician to find the right boot for my feet (#TecnicaCochise). I hope you returned them and found a better shop to work with! Btw, are your goggles cracked?
Still having arch pain?? Did they suggest a new orthotic with a lower arch? I really don't understand why you're going through all of this.
Yep we tried that. Didn’t really help too much.
I lost a toenail last season. I've had it fit many times but still haven't solved it :/ .
So sorry to hear...hang in there!!
My gf has a lot of pain with her boots and feet going numb. Will heat molding the plastic help? Or would she need a new boot
You should definitely give that a try first before getting new boots. REI can do it for pretty cheap.
@@angelinaoutside oh nice I didn’t know they offered that thank you!
If fine on groomers but pain on challenging runs, boot too stiff
Envy ski boot
you bought the Low Volume Boots, you need the Medium Volume Boots
Honestly I think you’ve given them enough chances. If I was in leadership at surefoot i would be giving you a call and offering a refund. This will likely cost them sales the longer this goes on.
They have offered to start over with me, so that's still an option. I know it works really well for a lot of people though!
I was about to book an appointment with them until watching these 2 vids.
Surefoot is a total disaster. I also have surefoots that I can't wear and wear my old boots instead. I'm going to cut my losses and buy new boots from an experienced boot fitter. Think of how much money you waste in lift tickets for days you just sit in the surefoot store instead of on the slopes.
Damn that sucks. I am still holding out hope that these will work in the end...did you not feel like the bootfitters at surefoot were experienced enough?
Wow skiing with that much boot pain is just not called for. I realize I'm sideline commenting but you must be into Surefoot for close to 2g's. They typically are pretty good but their mission is to sell their solutions not other options. I would not put you in a custom injected 'foam' Surefoot Lange boot (injected foam can be very restrictive) and too hard and is really not needed at your skill level. There are so many different less $ options. I'm pretty sure they have you in the right size boot and probably made a custom footbed (which they do very well). Putting you in an intuition liner or even a zipfit in that same boot could work just fine. You've got to see it through with Surefoot. They should work with you just be as clear as possible about the type of pain you are experiencing and where it is coming from. Surefoot has to make this right for you period! Even if that means refunding 'everything'. You make me happy seeing how much you love to be out skiing. Don't stop just keep speaking clearly about your boot pain. Surefoot will make it right. They are a stand up operation.
I'll definitely say, they have always been really patient and have always listened and tried to make it right. I might need another break from trying to get this to work so I can actually enjoy skiing though lol
You need to cut your losses. Quit wasting your time and money and go to Jeff Harper at Boot Mechanics in Avon. You won’t be disappointed.
what happened to your goggles🤨
You spend 1500 on boot
But you look like you are skiing on your heels not having enough ankle flexion. It looks like you are tip toeing inside your boot which may be the source of your pain
Invest a 4 pack group ski lesson and you will discover the difference .
You need to buy the Solomon S/Pro MV or the K2 Anthem MV. Trust me you will love it.
I have tried so many pairs of Solomons. They all hurt as soon as I get off the lift
WALKING THRU THE PARKING LOTS IS THE BEST WAY TO RUIN SKI BOOTS .. GET SOME "CAT TRACKS" FOR YOUR SKI BOOTS
LANGE BANG IS REAL!!!
GET FULL TILTS!! AKA RAICHLE AKA DALBELLO AND NOW AKA K2!
CHECK OUT SKI ESSENTIALS REVIEW OF K2s NEW BOOTS! :)
ITS FULL TILT WITH A K2 LOGO
$1500 !!!???
THROW YOUR LANGES IN THE GARBAGE CAN AND FIND A K2 DEALER THAT HAS A FULL TILT STYLE BOOT!!
THIS MESSAGE IS FOR EVERYONE
Bottom line. And I have herd this from many reputable boot fitters. Surefoot is not for everybody . !!!!!!
SUREFOOT SHAME ON YOU!!!! FRIGGIN 1500 BUCKS TO WORK ON LANGE BOOTS!?
FRIG LANGE BOOTS! NOBODY NEEDS A 4 BUCKLE BOOT UNLESS YOU ARE RACING SLALOM AND GS
下週去看xgame嗎。打算去aspen滑雪看比賽
應該不會 不過下週還沒安排～
@@angelinaoutside 免费看的，准备去玩highlands bowl不知道会不会缺氧
1500 dollars for goofy-lookin boots to put on even goofier skis. I’ll stick to my $200 comfy snow boots 🏂
JUST TAKE A LESSON.... BUT DONT PAY FOR IT!! SOOOOOO MANY UA-cam INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEOS FOR FREE ONLINE- FIND THE ONE THAT SUITS YOU AND WORK ON SOME DRILLS, FIND A FRIEND TO RIDE WITH -
CHECK OUT STOMP IT TUTORIALS
Focus on Ski technic, not The shoes. OMG