How Stiff SHOULD your Ski boots be
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In this video, I go over all the factors that determine how stiff your ski boots should be. Please leave any questions down below.
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Hey, great video! I've got one addition from my experience: the willingness of the boot to flex is also depending on the temperature of the shoe, meaning that inside a store, the boot is warm and the plastic is easier to flex. That should also be taken into account.
Maybe another factor in choosing the stiffness is the outside temperature. January 2022 in the east as been real cold skiing at minus 25, and the boots realy stiften in those cold days. It may be a factor when choosing between 2 stiftness.
Well done explaining the intricacies on flex of a boot and things to consider when boot shopping. I have gone too stiff and too soft with past boot purchases. I really had to look at who I am, and what am I really doing. Setting the ego aside has helped me get into the right boot.
Great video, very well laid out and still current today! I went to my local independent ski shop and bought new boots this year. I needed performance and fit, they set me up. Can't imagine trying to order online and get something decent.
All of this info is super helpful! Thanks!
Thanks, I have seen several of your videos and have learned a great deal. I am a beginner and people who know skiing have just said do this without a reason why. your the first who has explained the reasons and whys. this helps me greatly.
The one unfortunate thing you may find is that the softer boots are considered beginner boots. Manufacturers know that people starting out will not spend as much money on equipment so these boots will be cheaper but have less features, don't fit quite as well and are not as durable. Which is fine but as you progress you might need to upgrade. Cheers.
I just started skiing this year so charts say I should be in a softer boot. 180 lbs gym rat though, 30 years of snowboarding and ski 4-5 times a week since I live right by the lifts. My local ski shop talked me into trying stiffer boots and I'm so glad they did. I'm in lange rx120s and they're perfect for me. They flex just fine and I have amazing control compared to the rentals I was using before. Forget the charts and have an experienced ski shop talk with you and get you into something that works for your individual needs.
I run a 130 flex as an intermediate skier. I’m 6’2” 210ilb. Salomon boot. Have no issues. Great feedback and feel through these boots.
This video was a big help, thanks! I've been skiing since I was a little kid, but have only skied 3 times since 2015 (college, started snowboarding last year.
When i used to ski a lot, I was advanced intermediate. I'm a strong muscular guy (mountain biker legs...) that weighs about 240, so I think I'm going to go with some 120 salomons
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Fantastic video I learn something everytime.
Best advice, go to a boot fitter. I did it two years ago and was blown away. You know your stuff.
This helped a lot. Thanks
Thank you!
Just now started really trying to educate myself on ski gear and I'm hear to say.......this sh*t is kind of a pain in the ass.
i hear you. totally. but skiing IS really a F1 sport for racers. just so you are aware. if you re not dialed into your boots, with correct angles and all, racers cant ski on the bullet proof ice. its pure physics.
for the day out, all that matters IS comfort: to enjoy the day out in the cold. period. but now we all know 60% of days are hard snow. so one must have comfy and proper flex boots. Ice does not mean press harder. on the contrary. it means quick precise cut in ice (i.e. good edges to make it so), with ease and comfort. comfy means you will make that pressure required. you will take chances to evolve. and even one single day of drills will make any beginner feel like a pro. dont get intimidated by the pros. there are plenty of amazing videos out there to work 3 hours on drills for beginners/intermediates and experts. that's the thrill of this sport : get better and better till 99 yrs old. I am former racer, but my too small technica RS (black ones, old) flex 130 hurt me after 4 years skiing on them (incredible boot ... until they start hurting their fifth season.... wonder why?). i tried the venerated mach 1 in the shop: OMG, way too stiff for me. imagine the idea of my buying them online and being stuck with those, now that i tried them in the shop.
i was tired of being hurt in the foot. i went for comfort: dalbello 120 panterra, medium width (i have wide and strong soccer feet
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Bought new boots last year. Waited till I was in CO and found a fitter and must have tried 6 or 7 pairs and ended up with a pair of Tecnica Mach 1 110's and custom footbeds. Skied with them all week and could not be happier. Whole process took about 2 hours. Was nice that it was a week day and kind of slow at the shop. I went in with a boot in mind and it was just not as comfortable as what I ended up buying.
I bought some technicas Cochise boots and were really comfortable.
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Great Video.
Thanks for the video. Whats your thoughts on the forward lean of the boot in it's static unforced position. For me i found a more forward leaning boot suits me and they skiing i enjoy.
People always think the need a higher flex than they actually do. Higher flex does not equal more cred.
For me as an expert skier, stiffness is appreciated more in the mixed conditions I typically ski. If I'm making a run that has the combination of fresh powder, packed powder and ice, the additional stiffness of my Lange RX130's makes all the difference when varying the power required based on those conditions (i.e. powder doesn't require that much power...ice requires significantly more). Additional boot stiffness offers that reserve of power when the conditions require it (and power you can feel as you transfer that power to edge hold). If your skiing style/ability doesn't require this, then you will likely be very happy with a less stiff boot. I'm not that large at 5'8" and 160 lbs, but my skiing style and ability requires me to ski a 130 flex boot for excellent control in all conditions and at all speeds.
Going to a professional is really good advice. I would preface that with finding out who that person is. Ask around, and hear what other people have to say about so and so shop. If you walk into any shop, and expect the person there to have years of experience. When in reality this is their first year doing this sort of thing, and all they know is what the boot rep told them. Well that would be like the blind following the blind. Ski boots is the most important piece of equipment. You can skimp on just about anything else. But if you have a perfect fitting boot, that matches your skiing. Everything comes into focus.
Thanks for the clarity! Great info. I'm in my second pr of tecnica cochise 95 flex. I love the fit of the boot, supported, nothing pinches, every aspect from toes to top of calve feels supported. I tried both the 85 and 95. Like goldilocks, I think I'm somewhere in the middle. 95 might be alittle too stiff, but the other just didn't feel right. Now I have this little seed of doubt and its killing me! Is there a threshold of home much you should be able to flex the boot? What does too much or not enough look like? Thank you again!
I was on Lange WC120's and I liked them fine. I went to a Fischer Ranger Free and the shop guy talked me all the way down to a 100. I am 5'7" and 140lb so he felt I was making skiing harder than it should be.
He was right. Compared to the Lange boots these seem to initiate a turn as I'm thinking of it.
As I'm now retired, all-being-well I'll be taking up skiing again next season as a mature beginner - 67. As I've had my own boots previously - they've long gone - I'll be getting my new own boots, I've green run skied before 35 years ago, and will be using a local retailer - Ellis Brigham in Manchester - as they do a professional boot fitting service to mould the boot so it is adapted to my feet.
Forgot to mention, I'm just about 5' 6", and am 12 stone 4 pounds, as I'm a not flabby but stocky build like Dad was, but hope to be at or a little under 12 stone by the time I get to the resort. As I live alone I'm quite active, and walk a reasonable amount.
Testing indoors at 20C is not representative of -10C at the hill....always take the fact they are thermoplastics into account.
Agree with this but when you have skis on you have alot more leverage in the boot so it balances out a bit in that sense
I'm an expert snowboarder but only an intermediate skier. As a boarder I want my boots about as stiff as its possible to get a snowboard softboot but as a skier out cruising with my wife and kids I want a softer experience. I'm not hard charging on skis and have no intention of ever doing so. I love a fairly soft ski boot because it allows me to get forward when needed but also to stand up when I'm just taking it easy and want to take the load off the thighs and have a nice rest. Softer ski boots are also nicer when you are at the bar.
If at all possible do not buy boots online. Maybe ok for kids as they are growing, but not for someone that plans to ski full days and keep the boots for years. As this presenter states, don't go in and pick out the boots on their appearance. Find someone with experience and let them show you what they think will be the best fit for you. They will measure your feet and often try on the boots without the liners first to check if that shell is the right size. Once you have them on spend more than five minutes in them. My last pair I went to two different very experienced fitters and they both did these things. The first guy put me in a pair that felt far too soft and he didn't want to listen to me that they flexed too easily. They were a 100 flex where I had been in a 120 flex for forever. The second guy put me in a 120 flex pair of Technicas and suggested I wear them for about 30 minutes, walk around the store, flex, look for hot spots, etc. Bought those boots and did custom foot beds. The other great thing about this store is that they offer lifetime adjustments and they have stores in many ski areas. And they are great about doing those adjustments included. If the boot feels wrong, don't be afraid to tell the tech. If he doesn't listen, go elsewhere.
Another excellent vid, thanks for posting it. I know without seeing my feet in person this is just a suggestion. I am a middle aged skier, have gone about 10 times in the last 2 seasons a beginner aspiring to become an intermediate. I am about 5'8" tall and 200 lbs with reasonable athleticism my foot length: 275mm foot width 105mm with a slightly high arch slightly longer heel to heel instep perimeter (HIP) than foot length. Do you have any suggestions for a ski boot and flex rating?
Thanks
I bought Dalbello DS 120s last season. They didn’t fit too well so I bought some K2 recon 90s this season. I honestly feel like they’re the same in terms of stiffness.
i got a 95 flex because i wanted to feel the support of thee ankle more than my previous gummy 75. i didnt ferl like ever improving with soft boots
Very good info, i learned something! Things i wonder about: temperature when trying boots indoor vs negative temperature outside. Plastic gets stiffer when cold so one might get wrong impression at the store.
You speak about weight but i think length is also a factor as you have more leverage if you are light but tall.
Many plastics used these days do have a large variance in flex when it comes to temperature change. Unless of course if the boots are stored close to a heat source, that may changes things.
Best fit comes when your foot is in a sub talar neutral position. A true boot professional will know how to achieve this. Volumetric foot beds and cuff alignment are ALWAYS recommended before you make a final decision
also the material plays an important role. some materials tend to have a more lineal flex and others have a more progressiv flex. if you are an advanced skiier you should def go with a progressiv flex. also some materials change the flex at different temperature. you have to keep in mind, that in the shop there is a higher temperature while skiing.. if you are interested in nerdy boot stuff than check out the gear:30 podcast of blister with matt manser. it blows my mind.
I’m 5 foot 11 inches, about 195 pounds. Ive been skiing for 14 years and am a freeride/woods/all mountain skier. I’m looking at tecnica Cochise 110 dyn gw. I have not tried any boots on yet I’m just looking at the moment I’m still using lease boots from a ski area because I’m 17 and my feet aren’t done growing yet.
When I got boots at 16 they sized me up cause they thought my foot might keep growing, but it never did and I was stuck in boots that were too big for years! A few years back I got properly fitted and am in the Cochise 130. It’s a great boot, but I wish I would have gone with a non-hybrid boot like a Mach 1. The idea of touring is nice, but I feel like if you’re going to tour, you may as well get a dedicated set up. If I were you, I’d just go for it and get properly fitted. I’d also bet you could flex a 120 (at least the Cochise)
Finished 5 full days this year (Breck/Vail) and now carving on black groomers/harder blues. I bought nordica 80 flex, mostly because I got a really good deal. After watching videos and actual skiing, I still have no idea how flex affects my skiing. All I know is my boots are super comfy, fit perfectly, and not sure where they even physically "flex" on the boot. I actually did my own outfitting, and my own shell mod. I notice my skis performance a lot more. I spent three days trying a couple different lengths, and I could feel the 10cm range difference, but even that is surprisingly subtle as I added 5cm at a time. I'm sure there is a noticeable difference at the extremes, but when there is no standard, it's going to be mostly hocus pocus to make outfitters sound smart with their extended guesses to make you feel good about your expensive boots. I want to see a scientific video with a camera and sensors attached to a boot shell, with an "intermediate" skier doing the same hill segment with various flex. I bet even that will be suspect because multiple variables change between boots from the same manufacturer.
I agree with the latter part of your comment. I've tried local boot fitters here thinking I'd benefit from their expertise and support the local business. Unfortunately, the two problems are the price and attitude I got from the boot fitters. Price skyrockets so quickly because of the fitting, molding, and other hocus pocus. Also, the attitude at the store is very condescending and demeaning. If I were to ask the simplest question, honestly just for my own edification, the faces immediately sour and they're like how do you question by specialty and expertise. I opted to go stock and take my chances.
Sorry to hear about your experience.
Unfortunatley there are some shop workers who carry an attitude, and it's not called for. It seems they have the 'I'm too cool' vibe, and unless you're like me, then you suck...
In regards to fitting costs, I'm aware not all shops operate the same, but that seems excessive. Yes, if you take in a pair of boots you bought on your own elsewhere, and need work done, then yes, you'll be charged shop time.
How are you addressing dorsi flexion? Limited vs. Very flexable.
For ski racing it just depends what age category your in, u10 should be in a 60-70 flex boot racing, u12 is 60-90 flex racing boot, u14 90-110 racing boot, u16 90-130 racing boot, u18 110+, FIS and college racing 130+, and this also depends on weight and height, someone on my race team is u16 and skis on a 70 flex Fischer racing boot.
Flex should be standard, like a "pressure needed 20cm above the floor to bend a full closed boot 1mm forward at 0°C". Mondopoint is universal , so is the binding system. For a better experience it'd be great to have a transparent system for length , width, talo-calcaneus perimeter, flex pressure, weight, canting angle. nice video anyway ;)
Binding systems are not universal, check out a full tilt 3 piece vs most other 4 piece
@@secondhandstokekills indeed you're right ;)
Today was my 1st day and even before the ski lesson started, I was already complaining of pain on my shins from the boots. Every advice article out there says it’s because too much room in the boot letting me shift around, while i’m screaming inside “there’s absolutely no movement in these boots!”
That might be because you are backseat, when you are backseats even if you have no room, you shins will still be pressing against your ski boots
The forward lean of the boot is not forward as much as you need. I have two pair of boots one like you say gives you sore shins at the top of the cuff. The other put my knee 2" or 50mm forward. I put one of each pair on and stood facing a wall to verify my forward leaning boot which is very comfortable puts me in an athletic stance without flexing the boot. Just me saying this but race/slalom style boots are forward leaning. All mountain boots more upright.
Sounds like your buckles may have been too tight,most beginners either overtighten or over loosen 😂the buckles ,no in between that would probably be the right amount.also, if they’re rentals a boot will never be as comfortable as your own boots.I’ve been there as a noob and had those shins pain because of overtightening the buckles.buying my first pair of boots was a night and day experience,if you’re really see yourself doing this long term start by getting yourself your own boots and experiment with different skis before committing to a certain brand
Very good assessment of the process. Although I would have to add that once you take a boot in the cold, it will get stiffer. I am an advanced skier and have skied with all kinds and brands of boots on all kinds of terrain and I have to say that you have to be comfortable if you want to last the day. If you have to unclip your boots every ride up the lift, chances are you’re not. I have been skiing with a pair of Full Tilt Tom Wallish for a while now and I think they’re the best all around the mountain boot you can buy.
Does the ski you are using matter when choosing a boot flex? Wouldn't a stiff boot be too much for a lighter and energetic ski and vice versa?
Really enjoying your videos. I'm 5'10" and 150lbs with a wide relatively flat foot, and looking to buy a set of ski boots to call my own for the first time (always rented in the past). I'd say I'm probably an intermediate skier who has only skied twice in the last 7-ish years, but would like to get out a few times per season going forward now that I live closer to the mountains. Planning to do mostly groomed standard runs (majority blues, some greens, an occasional black). I've been eyeing the Nordica Cruise 90 for width and price. Would you recommend? Or would you suggest I go stiffer? Is there another boot you'd recommend in that price range for a wider flatter foot? Thanks!
The Cruise 90 is a vey high volume boot. It is a boot you'll need to try, but it feels too wide, there's the Nordica Sport Machine 90. With having a flat foot, your boot fitter may suggest a firmer foot bed to help support and align your foot. Especially if you pronate a lot.
Have a set of dalbello air 130. waaaaaaayyyy too soft. the scarpa maestrale, which is rated 110, feels like a brick wall compared to the dalbellos
great video ! two thumbs up if I could.. I did pick up a pair of 22 Tecnica Cochise in 110 flex in 30.5 . I'm 205 pounds usually and 6'3 you think 110 will be to soft because of my size ? i'am intermediate to expert
Probably a bit soft but depends on your riding. I'm 6'2 175 and ride a 125
Hello! Great content! I would appreciate your thoughts on the following matter.
I’m looking to buy boots for the first time, been renting up until now. I’m intermediate and my weight is 100 kg (220 pounds), 176 cm height (5'9.29) . With rentals, I always experienced shin bangs (at the area where the tongue’s boot touches) and blisters, no matter what I tried, and that’s why I’m looking to purchase my own. I don’t know if I should be taking 100/110/120 flex boots. On rentals, I usually received 80ish which is bad, I know. I tried at the shop today 100 and 110 ones (Salomon S/Pro). The 100 was pretty good on and when leaned forward it was ok and didn’t hurt my shin. I then tried on the 110, which was stiffer of course, but then when I leaned forward it did hurt my shins a bit. I know that because of my weight I should be taking 120 but I did hear in your videos that there are more variables. Do you think that in this case I should be going with 100? Or should I be still aiming to take 110/120, even though it’s already hurting my shins when flexing (even in the shop)? Because as I said, I always suffered from shin bangs and blisters on rentals - so I’m afraid to take something that will do the similar thing.. but on the other hand, I want the boots to be as good as possible for me to develop.
By the way, do you recommend putting the boots outer shell on the “oven” for the perfect fit? They fit fine at the least at the shop, so is there any reason to still cook them in your opinion?
Also, I’ve got flat foot… but I never had footbeds before, not even on regular shoes. Do you still recommend on getting custom ones?
Thanks !
Shin bangs on 80 flex rental boots? That doesn't sound right. Is the calf fitting right? Are you wearing the right socks? Are you stuffing your ski pants into your boots? These might sound like obvious things to you and I'm not trying to judge, but sometimes people miss these things.
Great video! I´m considering to buy the Head Lyt 130. I´m 1.90m and 100 Kg and i consider myself an intermediate/advance skier. What do you recomend? Thanks
yeah 130 would fit you well
Very informative video, thank you! How well do boot shells age? I know liners pack out and mine need to be replaced, but my shells with several hundred days fit so well I dread going through the fitting / punching process again (this was my third pair of custom fitted boots and although the most difficult, also the best results). My Technica Mach 1 MV boots (120) were professionally fitted, including custom footbeds and punch outs; they are very comfortable and I ski fairly well (old guy, skied my whole life); although I do have an ankle injury and your comments on having a stiffer boot to protect your foot hit home. How much stiffness has my boot lost over several 100+ day seasons?
I cannot answer how much stiffness is lost over time. It all depends on the plastics used, and how well one took care of their boots. The biggest hurdle when dealing with older/ well worn boots are the soles. Once they become too worn down, they will not fit into the bindings properly, and replacing soles, depending on the age of the boots, can be hard to find. If you replace you liner with a stiffer wrap liner, you may get some of that "lost" stiffness back.
@@MountainVibes, thanks for the reply! I have replaced the sole pieces on these (and other) boots, but they will need another set again soon. I’ll probably try new liners for now, but also check out some new boots next season. Thanks again.
Hey, great video. Recently got some new ski boots fitted and kinda of forgot about the stiffness. Ended up with 100's, I'm a 60 KG 5ft 9 skiier who competes at slalom for my university and am an advanced skiier on a slope as have been skiing for 17 years now. I'm kinda of annoyed I didn't get 110-130 now but not sure if I'm just too light. Any advice cheers?
With you competing, a 110 boot will be more advantageous because you will be able to transfer more power down to the skis. As well, most brands offer a more performance oriented liner at this level. Meaning, the boot will fit better, and not be as mushy as a liner that comes with a 100 flex boot. If you have yet to ski the boots you bought, see if you can exchange them. Or at least try on a 110. Anything more will be too much.
I've always felt that for anyone above an intermediate level who knows the mechanics of how to bend a ski, you should go with the stiffest boot that you can still flex and get your knee somewhat over your toe. The stiffer the boot you can manage, the better connection you will have with your skis and the better control you will have over what your skis are doing under you on varying terrain.
Quick addition: Stiff boots do not mean less comfortable! With today's advanced technologies and a good boot-fitter, the right boot for your foot can be made to feel like bedroom slippers no matter how stiff. 🙂
I don't completely agree with you about going for the stiffest boot possible. My race boots fit absolutely perfect and were excellent for racing but not ideal for free skiing. They were hard to put on even when warm, impossible to get off when cold gave you bad shin-bang when skiing bumps. For free skiing, I use a much softer boot (Nordica 120) and I love them.
@@elliottdiedrich3068 Boot flex also depends not only on your skiing style but on the terrain as well as the ski. So many variables that it's hard to come up with generalizations. I happen to prefer the tightest connection to my skis on any terrain so for example when skiing powder I need to go with a softer ski but I honestly have not had shin-bang in the last 10-15 years. BTW, for those with high arches who struggle with getting cold boots off and on, look at Tecnica. I think they've solved the problem.
Hello,
great video!
What would you recomend for a 72 kg (160lb) and 170 cm (5.6ft), intermediate/advanced skier?
Thank you.
A boot in the 100 range will work well. If you want a bit more support, and a better liner, go up to 110. But no more.
I prefer a softer product, as I prefer to ski all day. I was a monster physically. Two hours of explosive strength and 5 days of cardio a week. but if it's not a perfect fit, you lose force transmission. the rigid boot? must be perfect!
Full Tilt / K2, now - the old Drop Kick. Brody skis it when he doesn't have to ski someone else's boot. Get a variety of tongues and find out what you like. I'll hang this out there - most people ski a boot that is too stiff.
Yeah they test in the store at 20C and then in -20C a different story.
My daughter is 110 lbs 14 years old, 5’ 9” and we ski 10-12 days a year. She skies mostly blues and blacks. Double blacks maybe 3 times a year. She skis moguls fine,I would consider her advanced, black diamond. She likes tree skiing but nothing steeper than blue trees. I have a number in mind, but what flex would you recommend?
For me, I am 48, 210 lbs, 6’ 4”, same ski abilities described above but much more aggressive on the same runs. I own a pair of Solomon x pro 120’s from 2019. Is this the right flex for me?
Look at boots around 85-95. Keep in mind, not all brands will feel the same. Make sure the boots are the proper volume, so her foot is supported, and doesn't move around. As for yourself, unless you feel you're lacking stability, and responsiveness, stick with 120s.
Hello. Excellent video. Concerning the Fischer Ranger One boots. Would you agree that there is hardly any difference between the 110 and 120 flex (how it feels)? Thank you.
Boots are the one thing I would never buy online!
Peace.
I cannot agree or disagree how they feel, as I have never tried them.
I own the 130 ranger one boots and I love them. Never been this comfortable in a boot before. Even though they're not very soft flexing they feel very soft on your feet and they ski amazing. I don't know about the 110 or 120 though.
Remember the boot is important for transferring power into the ski.
I dont know how i'd rate my self i can do double black runs, without stopping & can hit jumps.
Found a pair of ski boots slightly worn for $120 Lange LX120's, i'll be taking them to the slopes tomorrow to see how they are but i never thought about the flex when buying them
Sounds like the right flex and maybe you could go stiffer but no benefit unless you are very heavy or running gates.
"man I love the look of these.... I cannot buy them they hurt so much" what a mood
Hello, what would you recommend for casual but fast and pretty agressive carving? I think i’m starting to reach advanced level. I am on the lighter side (around 65kg), but very tall (186cm).
Should i perhaps go for something around 90-110 since i do have power to push the skis forward?
Great video, subbed!
90 may be too soft, so you'd be looking at 100-110 flex boots.
@@MountainVibes thank you so much! Love how you interact with your viewers.
Hey! Your content is amazing!
I know this is nearly impossible through here… but could you give me a minute of your’s?
I consider myself an advanced skier, previously took part in many junior races, but unfortunately i didn’t ski since march 2020 due to the pandemic
i’m now 177 cm (5’8”), 66 kgs (145.5 lbs) and to my surprise my 85 flex fischer cruzar x 8.5’s, which i used from 14yo till 16yo, seem to be too flexible
I’m now 18,5 yo and not sure what flex to choose (my foot size didn’t really change since then, so theoretically they fit just fine, but they squeek when i lean forward) , my estimate is 110, what’s your opinion?
Thank you for reading this, i appreciate your time!
Hey Gyurka.
For your ability and stature, 80 is too soft. By the sounds of it, with your skiing ability, 110 should be ideal for you. If you have the chance, try some on. Good luck, and enjoy the rest of your season.
The same question I ask people about skis applies to boots as well. What do you want this boot do do? How do you like to ride? What conditions are you in? How fast are you going and what is an honest appraisal of your ability? You might be a larger specimen and a highly advanced skier. But if you always ski powder, you don't need the stiffest boot you can fit. If you are a smaller racer and never ski powder you are still going to want a stiffer boot or you won't be competitive.
I am a telemark skier, 66 years old, athletic as far as it goes at this age, 6', 180 pounds, and I live in Hokkaido where 95% of my skiing is in backcountry powder. I like lateral stiffness but I also like forward flexibility because I developed my tele technique in the days of floppy leathers and misery sticks. Plus, I have nerve damage to my left shin from hitting a tree and 4 buckle boots cause a lot of pain when I lean hard on the cuff. So I have developed a technique based on balancing on the middle of the edge and riding it. I like to go fast but I'm not what I would call super aggressive. So I cut the top buckle clean off of my Scarpa TX-Pros and ski from my ankles. As I said, I still appreciate the lateral stiffness and that is what I use to put leverage on my edges even as I don't really pressure the tips all that much. My choice of skis figures in this equation as well. I like moderately stiff, directional skis that are wide enough to provide float in powder and rocker mostly focused on the tip because I also like a flat tail to give me more power at the end of the turn----no back seat action at all unless I'm screwing up. I may be quite an outlier in terms of my needs but my point is, just because I am big and a very accomplished skier doesn't mean I need a stiff boot. YMMV. ;-)
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Hi I’ve just bought atomic Hawx magna 110, I’m worried that the flex is not stiff enough, I’m probably about advanced skier and have very strong legs ex powerlifter and keen cyclist. I’m only 5feet 5 inches tall and weigh 145lb.
Does the flex on this boot sound about right for me. Thanks
Seems close to what you need. I'm not familiar with how the Hawk Magna feels in relation to other brands though. If you're not sure, I suggest go and try on some stuffer boots and see how they feel for you.
What about and advanced skier at 46kg and 155cm tall?
Try something around 90-100. Though you’re an advanced skier, you have a smaller stature, so don’t need the stiffest boot out there.
How do I tell if I’m flexing my boots “enough?” There are no decent equipment shops within a couple hundred miles of me, so I’m on my own trying to figure this out. I *think* my boots may be too stiff for me, but I have no idea how much they’re supposed to flex - sure, the harder I lean into them, the more they flex, but outside of that, I’m a bit lost. Is there a rule of thumb or reference point, such as, you want your knees to travel as far forward as your toes, or 2” beyond your toes, etc.?
id like to know too
Someone please answer this question. How far should my knees be over my toes? Should my knees be over the front of my bindings when I’m flexed into the front of my boots?
As far forward as your toes, ua-cam.com/video/bX2NUkdggkw/v-deo.html
It may cost you a bit more but I tend to buy boots when I visit ski resorts. Big shops, lots of options, often fitters with decades of experience. Then you get to test them on challenging terrain and can go back every day to adjust and change.
5’4 62 kgs intermediate to advance,what would be my boots flex now?
Around 100 would be a good place to start looking.
I am 6’2 240 advanced but not expert I can ski all the trails at most mountain do not like moguls but love easy glades. Looking at nordica hf 120. My current boot a nordica Cruz 70 got it cause easy to get in got arthritis in ankle hence the HF curiosity. Is flex different in rear entry? Would stiffer boot help ankle and knee arthritus other than the getting into it issues. Is there a front entry you would reccomend that is easy to get in yet stiffer. Tia
The HF boots seem to be rated appropriately, but you loose fitting options because they only have the locking hinge, and one strap over the instep. They are quite roomy too.
In regards to front entry boots, look at Cabrio style, or 3 piece boots (K2 Diverge, and Dalbello Panterra). The tongue can move completely forward opening up the entire instep, making it easy to get into.
You will benefit from a stiffer boot simply because of you stature, and the boots will help support you ankles much better.
6'2 260 here, about the same level as you. I've rented nordica 100 after my old boots failed me, and they were nice but a tad soft for me. I now have lange rx110 and they're just right for my program
You cannot make a boot stiffer but you can soften the flex of the boot also the boot is warm in the store but on the snow it's a lot colder and the boot will be stiffer.
You can definitely make a boot stiffer. Just like you said it will be stiffer/less stiff just from the temperature!
Some boots have a screw to adjust the flex.
K2 fl3x series (ex full tilt) have interchangeable tounge determining stiffness.
Hey I was wondering what stiffness I should get? I am 6,1 220 and I am in the intermediate/advanced range? I was thinking around 130
120 can work as well. Will be lighter on the wallet too.
Advanced , 67kg , 6’1 old boots where shocking 90flex what would you recommend
I’d suggest 110.
Is the atomic 130 S with custom fitted to my feet good for an intermediate skier ?
Honestly, really depends on your stature. If you’re in the bigger side, they’d be fine. If you’re lighter/ smaller, you might find the boots too stiff, and have you ski in the back seat.
I'm a 55 yrs old beginner skier. 5'10" and 180lbs. Is 80 flex too soft? And can you suggest any brand and model for me pls?
Get a good boot fitter to find boots that fit you. I’m 59 and 5-8 170 and ski 120 flex. Boots fit perfect and I close the buckles rather than crank them. Advanced skier who can also use them when playing around w grandkids
Would the apex ski boots be a good option, I'm 17, 6'1", 140, and would say I'm intermediate getting close to advanced. I do like to hit jumps, more on the smaller side but that may change in 1-2 years. And I would say I am quite fit, just really light.
Are these the soft boots with the exoskeleton? I've see them once in person, but have never tried them. I cannot deny or confirm their performance.
@Mountain Vibes Yes, I have some older models, but I just wasn't sure how they would hold up with the park and more backcountry, I do like them because I both ski and snowboard, so I could use them for both, I would just prefer many opinions on them before I shell out the big bucks.
I bought a stiffer boot and I couldn't ski moguls anymore. Instead of the boot flexing when the ski hit a ramp, it threw my whole body back on my heels and it was awful. I went back to my old soft flex boots and never used the new boots again. I am an expert skiier who can ski "the river" on bumps and my philosopy is to buy the softest flex boot that you can that will still allow forward pressure to make your carves.
Pro tip - Loosen the buckles. You can always soften up a stiff boot. You should adjust buckles based on what you are skiing and conditions.
@@kamilatl Thanks, but that ruins your side to side stability. Not good.
@@tookymax I find it harder to ski bumps in soft boots. I'm running Hart F17 Fusion WC (171 cm) and they seem to work best with a pretty stiff boot..
full agreement in philosophy. reality hits when you're on ice , hard terrain. that's where softness does not respond quick enough. also powder requires some sort of forward lean control at higher radius turns/speeds that is . really depends on what you're after, level of skiing/pressure too and what you're going to do/mood for... :-0
so i'm a beginner that recently switch to skis from snowboarding for the last 20 years. i'm athletic, play sports at the gym 4 days a week but i weigh 240 so i'm wondering if a soft 100 flex would be too soft for my weight? Would 120 be a bit more my speed?
You’re correct saying a 100 flex boot would be too soft. I would try on 110 and see how that goes.
The issue with going to 120, in most cases, there is quite the price jump.
If you can find it, the Nordica Cruise 120 can be a great option, if you need the extra stiffness.
Back in the day we didn't have boot flex numbers, boots universally sucked and nothing performed just like skis didn't perform untill deeper sidecuts allowed shorter skis to perform. Now we have better plastics and ski boots rarely ever break in half like they used to. While they still suck you can now get boots with extra thick plastic to allow you to stretch and grind the shell customizing the boot to your foot exclusively and ruining the boot for any other purpose. Plug shells cost much more and must be two full sizes smaller than your regular shoe size, you must be able to accept the cost of ruining several sets of shells before you figure out how to fit them. Boot fitters are expensive and they can only guess at where the pain and pressure points are. My boot fitter was not sadistic enough so I did the work myself, that makes me a masochist.
Oh my...😳
What's your opinion on flex rating for a tall, thin beginner skier? I'm 6'6" and only 210 pounds. I read elsewhere that tall people should have a softer flex because the angles are different (that is, we need more flex because we have to dip more). Thoughts?
I'm looking at some ski boots with a 70 flex rating.
Hugh, you're definitely a tough case, being that tall, over 200 lbs, and a beginner. You should probably see a professional boot fitter, but I can say for sure that 70 is way too soft.
a 120 stiffness id say, in either boot. Some boots will flex more than others but rated the same, go get fitted and try a fair few boots on first. Obv thats on the stiffer side, but you are a bigger dude that will flex the boot a fair bit. You can grow into 120's as well the more your skill develops.
70 is probably far too soft for you. As a beginner, you'll want something@100-110; a little stiffer than others but your length is like a lever flexing those boots. Buying an intermediate boot will cost slightly more but you'll get a superior boot in function, fit and durability. Try to buy from a ski shop with a good rep. The old guys in the store are generally the best fitters.
I agree… Start with 100-110, and go from there.
Hey man, according to other comments and of course the vid, with my 85kg and 1,8m height with intention to learn into advanced skiing 100-110 will be fine for me right?
I would suggest going with 110. You may out progress the 100s.
Hello! I originally bought boots at a shop. They were extremely comfortable and an 85 flex (I wasn't sure what that meant at the time, but it was what the tech recommended for me). I still love how comfortable they are, but I fatigue very quickly and have issues flexing them. I'm a petite woman (5'1", 115 lbs) and would considered myself a cautious, more beginner skier (I've skied multiple times, but only get to make it out a couple times a year so I don't get consistent practice). Given that I have issues flexing the boots and get fatigued very quickly as a result), would you recommend I try a different flex rating? Or should I focus on trying to get more skilled or stronger and growing into the boot's flex rating? Thank you!
Hi,
By the sounds of it, I would suggest getting into a softer boot. I'm only saying this because you only get out a few times a year, and with that, you probably wont progress enough to need an 85 flex boot. If you like how you boots feel, just get the softer flexing version of it. Most brands have "families" of boots, with different flex ratings within them.
@@MountainVibes Thank you so much for the input! The softest flex of the same boot model I can find is 75, would going down from an 85 down to a 75 be a significant enough change in flex to notice it?
In most cases yes. People do notice a difference when going down, or up in flex by one level. Will it be significant, maybe... Really depends on the individual. I suggest trying a 75 flex on, alongside your current boots to see if you can feel a difference. It will be easier to flex, just a matter of how much.
I am 165 lbs 5”10. Intermediate skier. I like skiing steep glades. Any recommendations?
Go to a boot fitter. Never buy boots online or get specific boot recommendations from someone who doesn't know your foot shape.
Without seeing your foot shape, it's impossible to recommend a specific boot. All manufactures make boots for most foot shapes these days. It's a matter of being matched with the correct one. Based on your stats though, something in the 100-110 range could work.
How much weight is considered heavy for a stiff boot?
I would say over 210-220 lbs. that’s for 120 stiffness.
Hi i'm about 6'6 & 220 lbs. Between intermediate to advanced, but don't know what stiffness I should go for, what do you think would be best?
You should be looking at minimum 120 to get the support you need.
What flex in a Salomon ski boot for 135 lbs intermediate skier? And would it change for an intermediate/advanced skier?
I would say 90-100will be a good choice for your size and ability.
I heard being strong means flex should increase, I’m a Powerlifter that weighs 195 and squat 500lbs, should I go with 110 or 120 flex? I would like to ski very aggressive but still pretty new
Wow! Good on ya... I would start with 120 and see how much you can flex/ move the boot. It sounds like you shouldn't have any issues flexing it. As well, with this stiffness, you'll have a boot that will last as you become a stronger skier. Keep in mind, every company will flex differently.
Have a great season.
You don't need ski boots,
you can strap the ski directly to your shoes 😂
My father bought me Nordica 100 flex boots and I watched this because I'm sceptical. I've been skiing for 6 years (going one week every winter). He says I'm pretty much advanced at this point but idk I feel more intermediate. I'm 17F, 167 cm and 61 kg. Not that fit, just average. Is that going to be alright ?
Might be a little stiff for you but if you have decent leg strength should be alright
@@eberlchl I do hope it will. I'm going tmrw. Thanks for the reply !
@@acejini How did they work out for you?
Hello, I am 179cm, 85kg. I have skied for 2 seasons(around 10 days per season). Planning to do more skiing(20 days per season) and progress to the next level. Due to extra wide feet, my boot options are limited. So, considering K2 BFC boots with last 103mm. What flex should I choose 100 or 120? Thank you
Look at the 120. When some brands make a wider boot, they tend to be softer than you would think. The Nordica Cruise 120 is another boot to look at, but does feel softer than a 'standard' 120.
@@MountainVibesThanks for the reply. I’ll buy K2 BFC 120.
I'm very athletic and a highly skilled snowboarder that just got skis. I have 80 flex Salomons and they feel like noodles on my feet, Im 6'1 and weigh 205. Im thinking 120 flex boots that I can kind of grow into. How does that sound?
Totally agree!
An 80 flex is way too soft for someone of your stature. Go the stiffer route. If you can find them, the Nordica Cruise 120 is a sold, yet affordable option.
You have 3" and 20 lbs on me and I have been on 130 and 140 flex for quite a few years. I gave up in the RS140 due to instep height, but the flex was fine. You would be fine in a 130.
Tokyo ,tried those 120 nordicas cruisers today. great confort but mid intermediate skiier at 191 lbs 6ft. are they too stiff with multiple recouprated achilles injuries in both feet? @@MountainVibes
Hello. I just bought Salomon Shift Pro 100 (for 299 eur) because boot fitter recommended that after trying couple of boots. I'm 190cm, 95kg, skiing like 1 week per winter (not a beginner but not an expert either), and after some Googling and watching this video I have a feeling that I have made a mistake. What do you think? After watching this, I feel like cheated..
After all, I have skiing one day with those boots, and they felt better than last ones (70 flex).
Well, a 100 flex boot should be the minimum for you. They will give you more support and allow you to balance on your skis better.
Why do you feel cheated?
@@MountainVibes Thanks for the answer. By "cheated" I meant that when I got to know the subject more, it felt as if the boot fitter had recommended a mono too loose for me. However, after a few days of descent, the mono feels good and stiff enough for my needs. I spend several hours on the hill, so a not-too-tight mono is not a disadvantage, I think.
@wltr-dev I have been skiing Salomom Quest Pro 110s over the last years. Same height and weight as you are. I find them just perfect. I would consider myself an advanced skier. If you really want to go aggressive, you might want to go stiffer…
@@gregorschleussner9024Thank you for your answer! Based on your comments and your skill level, I think these 100 flex are just right for me.
It would be nice to rent boots of various stiffness and ski them for day. But my feet and ankles don't line up like humans so I need a really fit boot.
5'10 170 former FIS point racer. Weight has little to do with it. I bend 130+ race boots with ease. The flex should depend on your ability what you want to accomplish and how much control you want in the foot binding ski marriage nothing more. For those of us expert skiers stiffer is better and getting custom moulded boots and insoles is critical. Insoles are not mentioned here which is sad as it makes the experience soooo much better. Too soft a boot is the big mistake I see the most. Skis boots are not loafers but if properly fitted they should be as comfortable as loafers.
I have a dedicated video on the importance of insoles, and why everyone needs one.
The average person isn’t looking for a precise fit, and value comfort over performance. Many of whom don’t like a close fit, and even if it’s technically perfect for their feet, they prefer the larger fitting boot. At the end of the day, we can only advise what to buy, but the choice lies with the customer.
@@MountainVibes You should visit Lou's performance centre in Calgary sometime. The man has been fitting the national team for 35+years. Our countries top custom ski fitter shop. Lou is a legend.
@@OKuusava My point is given the budget there are waaaay better options that give a return on investment.
@mountainvibes im a 14 yo and weight about 48 kg I’ve been skiing for a long time . curently im looking into wider skies fror park or freeride do you think 60-70 would be enough. Thank you so muchh!
That would be fine. Depending on your foot shape, see if you can find a stiffer youth boot in that 60-70 range. These tend to fit narrower, where adult boots in the same flex are quite wide/ high in volume. You're gonna want to make sure your foots doesn't move around in the boot. Especially since you're getting into Freeride and park, and need more control of your skis. Good luck!
Most park professional skier use 80 to 100 flex. Very few over 100.
If you are an expert skier who want jib in the park and all over the mountain, go with 90/100 flex.
But how come skiers that aren't on the heavy side can ski in stiff boots? I really gave the Head Raptor B2 a chance because they fit my feet like vacuum. But I just couldn't ski in them. I ended up in a pair of Technica Mach 1 with a 130 flex instead. I ski pretty hard but I have no competitive background and I weigh in at 170 lbs.
Not saying lighter skiers can’t ski stiff boots, one just has to have the strength to move the boot.
@@MountainVibes ah, I didn’t say you did. I just don’t get how they can use stiffer boots than I can if they don’t have the weight.
People don’t skip leg day 😎
@@MountainVibes It doesn't have much to do with leg strength honestly, its primarily determined by skier weight, plain and simple. If someone is a good skier they can adapt to use a very soft of very stiff boot, although they will not ski optimally. You can try this yourself by emulating being a heaver skier by trying on a boot that is too stiff for you and then holding a 25 pound or heavier dumbell or weight plate or something of the like, and notice how it "activates" your ability to flex the ski boot... The only muscle that would really contribute to attempting to "muscle-through" the flex of the ski boot would be the anterior tibialis, which just about no ordinary person has ever heard of nor actively trains, although training it is a very good thing to do for overall leg and joint health as well as a skiing muscle; but the fact is that in order to even try flexing the boot with that muscle you would need to pull your toes to the top of the boot, which would not be conducive to good skiing, especially with the outside ski as that would go against the pressure you are trying to exert into it. Not roasting you or saying you are wrong or anything and I like your channel, just shedding some light on this as someone who has lived the experience a lot with too stiff of boots as a light weight person who wants to spread awareness about ski boot flex. I'm frustrated that none of the boot fitters I've gone to in the past have considered this a very important subject in relation to skier weight vs boot flex. I can rep more weight than normal weight friends can with tibialis raises, but it has little to do with and is detrimental to good skiing when you have to try to actively muscle your way through boot flex.
@@simonshusse It doesn't have much to do with leg strength honestly, its primarily determined by skier weight, plain and simple. If someone is a good skier they can adapt to use a very soft of very stiff boot, although they will not ski optimally. You can try this yourself by emulating being a heaver skier by trying on a boot that is too stiff for you and then holding a 25 pound or heavier dumbell or weight plate or something of the like, and notice how it "activates" your ability to flex the ski boot... The only muscle that would really contribute to attempting to "muscle-through" the flex of the ski boot would be the anterior tibialis, which just about no ordinary person has ever heard of nor actively trains, although training it is a very good thing to do for overall leg and joint health as well as a skiing muscle; but the fact is that in order to even try flexing the boot with that muscle you would need to pull your toes to the top of the boot, which would not be conducive to good skiing, especially with the outside ski as that would go against the pressure you are trying to exert into it. Not roasting you or saying you are wrong or anything and I like your channel, just shedding some light on this as someone who has lived the experience a lot with too stiff of boots as a light weight person who wants to spread awareness about ski boot flex. I'm frustrated that none of the boot fitters I've gone to in the past have considered this a very important subject in relation to skier weight vs boot flex. I can rep more weight than normal weight friends can with tibialis raises, but it has little to do with and is detrimental to good skiing when you have to try to actively muscle your way through boot flex. goodvibes
Not sure I understand why a beginner would have any trouble with a stiff ski boot (other than getting it on). I've been skiing for over 40 years and I find that a stiffer boot makes it easier because it gives you more leverage is it transfers the energy into your shins rather than your ankles. A really soft boot is almost like wearing water skis where you are using your ankles to control the skis. Try skiing on stiff boots with your buckles really loose and you know what I mean. It's basically emulating a flexible boot with loose buckles.
Also, you get more stability by leaning slightly back, as much as they say to lean forward (and I was a ski instructor many years ago). I can assure you than leaning forward to the point where you feel pressure on your shins will make your skis wander and you feel much less stable. I generally ski with a neutral to a slight leaned-back posture and feel that front-shin pressure mostly in the moguls where leaning back too much can get your tails caught.
Thanks for your insights.
I'm not saying that a beginner need a soft boot, but they need a boot that is able to properly support them. Stiffness is relative to the individual. You're correct in regards to a stiffer boot giving more leverage, but many people do not want that.
I have found that loosing the buckles allows the foot to move too freely in the boot, causing the toes to jam in the front. This may work for those with higher skiing abilities (like yourself) who know how to balance their weight, but most people will just slide around in the boot.
I'm 190 90kg naked and all 130 freeride hybrid boots seems too flexy... only dalbello krypton is a real 130 but is a race boot faked for big strong freeriders, maybe my problems comes with the long legs that put a big lever on boots.
If you are a bigger dude that is very athletic, you will collapse any 120 and below, or fake 130, when you hit a compression - and by bigger, I don't even mean huge, I just mean anything 'close' to 200#s. I'm slightly lighter and had to toss my 130XT Langes because they collapsed under bigger compressions - a Low Vol 120 Technica Mach1s just completely folded on me. If you're a strong athletic man, you need 130+ boots. My current boot is a Nordica Elite 130 with a World Cup Booster Strap - it works 98% of the time unless I hit an unseen compression then it folds but at least saves me - my next boot will be a 140.
210#, 6'2" here, expert skier. Dalbello Krypton 130s are winners - my lower legs are too long for most 4-buckle shells (Lange, Tecnica, Rossi, K2...) The Kryptons do come with both 130 and 120 tongues in the box...
@@mattclark1278 i have krypton pro and agree stiff and intuition liner are great but sometimes i need lighter boots, i've tried at my local shop dalbello drs 130 and seems quite good.
What's the effect of skiing as an intermediate with a 80 flex boot?
Depending on your stature, 80 flex can either be a great easy boot to use, or too soft. If you're over flexing the boot as you ski, you won't get the desired support/ reaction time from your boots to put the energy to your skis.
The effect of skiing 80 to 100 flex is that are way more playfull and funny to ski. Most of the professional freestyle skier use a flex between 80 and 100. One of the best skier ever - henrik harlaut - use an 90 flex... is he a beginner skier? No, not at all.. actually is the most amazing skier of all time.
What about body weight
I refer to weight as body stature.
Does play a factor for sure.