Let's not forget Moody; who was technically hired as the Defense teacher, who's greatest fear of being attacked, ambushed, by dark wizards, was attacked, ambushed and imprisoned before he even got to the school.
I was thinking of Moody too in this video. He was hit sooooo hard by this curse. He was technically the dark arts teacher and I'm pretty sure that he faced his greatest fear A LOT during that one year in that chest. A death eater being the dark arts teacher instead of him may be one of his biggest fears too. He catched them all
And then, he later met his end at the hand of the Death Eaters, who gave his eye to Umbridge to be used for evil purposes......I dunno if anyone would count that as part of it, but either way, no two ways about it.......he got the WORST of the curse!
I was going to say something similar with the additional thought that it was a rare but brief moment when Moody was not vigilant (ie checking on a racoon messing with his trash or something to that effect) that he fell victim to the monsters he'd spend a lifetime hunting.
Feel that the real Moody should be in this also. While Moody never taught he did accept the position and then was caught of guard and kept captive for the whole year.
He was overly paranoid that his life was in danger or that a dark wizard was going to attack him. And after years of nothing happening, look what does happen when he decides to teach DATDA.
Snape's biggest fear was failing Lily. We see that in his worst memory. That was the year Snape learned that Harry had to die. And there was nothing he could do about it. On top of that he has to deal with Harry nearly killing draco with a spell Snape invented. You could argue being exposed was another one of his fears. Or simply dealing with the consequences of his past actions. Snape delt with all of that in that year.
Snape HATED Harry from day 1. Which makes sense. He wondered what kind of boy Harry would be. Loving, kind and shy like his mother perhaps. But instead Harry struts around with his friends, showing off his scar and breaking every rule going, just like his father, James. Its only better in the film, when Snape says "Anyone would think the three of you are.... up to something." Harry is giving him a death stare and Snape's face changes to a "i hope the dark lord kills you" expression. I sometimes wonder if Snape was playing both sides at this point. He only joined The Order to save Lily, who died. So he wants revenge for her death. But against who? Volie for killing her? Or Albus for failing to protect her? He could be thinking "Whichever side wins im screwed. If Albus wins, Harry will die. If Voldermort wins, Harry will die." Remember, Albus even told him that Harry had to die "you're raising him like a pig for slaughter!!!"
@@AzguardMike i dont think it was hatred. he saw james in harry, and couldnt see past that. he held a grudge against james, and harry was a source of jealousy to snape instead of outright hate. if he HATED harry he never would have cared to help protect him, lily's son or not. but yes, this was the only reason he joined the order, bc of lily. it was an "any enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing.
Might it be possible that, the reason why Dumbledore didn't allow Snape to teach the subject for all those years, despite his intelligence and considerable insight into Dark Arts, was because he was saving Snape's turn for a truly desperate time? After all; it would be foolish and wasteful to sacrifice your queen to eliminate a pawn, when you could instead use it strategically at the most opportune moment to avert an imminent defeat.
I agree that he did prob refuse the job to snape for that reason although i dont think he meant to sacrafice snape. You dont gatta die at the end just stop being a defense teacher. Pretty sure that prior to the start of the series dumbledore just roatated out teachers or had temps similar to grubly plank
@@alastorclark3492 I didn't mean "sacrifice" in the sense of having him die. I meant sacrificing his one and only turn as teacher of Defence against the Dark Arts. It would, after all, be a terrible waste to have him teach during a year where literally nothing happens, where an average Joe would more than suffice.
@@Tengu125 Ohh that makes sense although im not so sure that a teacher couldnt teach datda more than once just not back to back however i cant prove that so ehh. Regardless its a risk i wouldnt take either until the time is right. Thats very dumbledore
@@alastorclark3492it is in the Books, (and I think at least 1 movie too), when Riddle (aka Voldemort) was turned down for the position of DADA (Defense Against the Dark Arts) instructor position, he laid a Curse that none could be the DADA instructor for more than a year!
... Huh. That's honestly a really good point. And it seems like the curse might've also hit its creator, if we're going with technicalities like Harry hosting class sessions. Because, after all, when Quirrel took the position of DAtDA, Voldemort was technically a part of him. And even though it did take a few years, Voldemort did, ultimately, end up facing _his_ greatest fear: death.
From the world building and consistency perspective this makes more sense than the "ancient magic" and "mother's love protection" that J.K.R. wrote in the books.
Well he sort of died with Quirrel, or at least had his body die and became powerless again, his horcrux died in the chamber the following year, then he failed to kill Harry showing his lack of power in the graveyard. I feel like Voldemort had two main fears: Death and powerlessness which went hand in hand for him. The curse really took over after that year on Quirrel's head
@@Mohenjo_Daro_ he didnt exactly die with quirrel, he inhabited all kinds of bodies of animals and such he was more like a tick that let go of the body upon death. the ultimate death came at harry's hand, or actually voldy's own through harry.
This makes so much sense. Especially about Snape. It’s in the same year that he was DADA professor, he founds out that eventually the boy whom he was protecting for Lily’s sake, had to die when the time comes. So that was his worst fear. ALWAYS
Outstanding theory! I would go one step farther in regard to Lockhart. His greatest fear was being forgettable, being someone no one remembered. This was why he placed memory charms on the people he took credit from. It ended with him being forgotten, even by himself. Very fascinating theory though.
Yes he taught Harry how to throw off the imperio curse by accident. I think he was just doing it to vent his own frustration with being controlled for so long. He taught his mortal enemy how to defeat the master he was so desperate to serve. He was a let down to his real father and his father figure. On top of that, you can't spend that much time in askabam without fearing the dementors kiss. Which was his ultimate fate.
@@blakec8549 I'm not so sure it was accidental. It was either dumbledore told him to teach them with an emphasis on harry or he took it upon himself and lied to hermione about dumbledore saying they should learn, but all the same he put special focus on teaching harry specifically to the point where harry could push it off him almost instantly.
@@alastorclark3492 I don't think it was accidental either. But I just don't think he expected harry to actually do it. Or hell, maybe he did. As someone who worships Voldemort maybe he actually had some high expectations for Voldemorts biggest threat. That makes him even more interesting imo. The rest of the death eaters all treat harry like a dumb kid
Of course, only who use the Dark Art know how to BEST counter them, isn't it? Sort of like how the best people to block computer hacks are probably the hackers themsevles... LOL
@@carmanjun4859the curses are not dark arts , they are simply very effective tools and they get used often as a last resort for one reason or another by skilled wizards . However using such effective tools against another person would draw incredible outrage out of empathy hence they are banned
Points for you, I've never heard anyone else point out that Harry Potter was in effect a DADA professor. Hadn't realized it myself until you said it. Don't know if it originated with you or has been lurking about the internet unseen by me, but well pointed out.
It does sound plausible. I’d also like to compliment you. I love the pace you use to tell the narrative and also the fact that you do not use a Music overlay, this makes it fun to watch and gives the viewers time to think about what you’re saying. Great! 🎉
9:10 He didn't fail though, he was SUPPOSED to stay at the school, had he have went to the graveyard, Voldemort would have probably asked what the heck he's doing there when he's supposed to be at the school. The curse may also have an added layer of ensuring no-one can effectively learn Defense against the Dark Arts due to teacher swapping and different teaching styles.
Barty's greatest fear was not being able to serve Voldemort--not a fear of failing him. When he got the Dementor's Kiss, it was bye-bye to his plans to be Volde's right hand man. Although this would seem to suggest that Voldemort did not recognize he had laid a curse on the position, otherwise he wouldn't have had Barty serve in the role and get cursed. But kids do magic by accident, and we know Voldemort made Harry a Horcrux by accident (even without saying whatever words are needed to actually bind a fragment of your soul into something else), so it's possible that just his rage created the curse--like Harry's anger manifesting as blowing up Aunt Marge (who had to be professionally deflated, even after Harry ran away).
Seriously, Barty played the part perfectly. He fooled some of the best wizards and witches in the world, including Dumbledore. If anything Voldemort failed, Harry was a sitting duck in the graveyard but he played with his food, and his arrogance allowed Harry to escape. Barty's only slip up was at the very end when he ran out of polyjuice.
Granted how similar are emotions and psychology of people to the real world, here is a big plot problem: How Dumbledoor was able to find a new DADA professor every year, after everyone of them faces all sorts of problems by the end of the year and had to leave, and rumour about the curse spread? It is difficult to understand how was he able to search without being worried, let alone find people willing!
Well it’s not like they all died or suffered some sort of grave misfortune. Besides of the DaDA teachers we see: One wants to go to Hogwarts for personal reasons (retrieval of one Philosopher’s Stone) One is an idiot who probably doesn’t think the curse effects him One was clearly being discriminated against due to an unfortunate case of lycanthropy and had difficulty finding employment One wanted to go to Hogwarts for personal reasons (namely ensuring one Harry Potter won the Tri-Wizard Tournament) One was an idiot who was ordered to take the job by someone she had a crush on and probably didn’t believe in the curse Slughorn had to be blackmailed/bribed into taking the position Snape arguably was a death seeker after Lily’s death So it seems like only idiots, desperate people and people with strong personal reasons for seeking the position were taking the job.
Just to remind you that people do accept incredibly horrible/dangerous jobs (like cleaning sewers or fixing crime scenes or body-guarding a really threatened person), just because the pay is good enough. As we are never told how much did the teachers earn, I can imagine the DADA position had a rather large premium due to the knowledge of the curse. That being said, Quirrell was the only one to die during his tenure, but both Lockhart and Crouch faced a fate worse than death (one ended up locked in a psychiatric hospital and the other one lost his soul to the dementors), Lupin and Snape died shortly afterwards, and only, as far as we know, Umbridge and Carrow survived, but completely in disgrace (one in jail and the other regarded as a dangerous racist Voldemort helper). In fact, even Moody and Voldemort ended up dead. The only one who made it out "well" was Harry himself, but in the meantime he lost his three father figures (Dumbledore, Black and Lupin), one of his best friends (Fred), and got killed but managed to come back.
I belive that Valdemort wanted to be DADA professor to create more followers or to lessen the ability of others to defend themselves. Dumbledore saw through this. The curse would have prevented other professors from being as successful in teaching students to defend themselves against Valdemort and his deatheaters.
It's plausible to me to argue that at the time Riddle intended to teach the Dark Arts under the auspices of Defense. The curse preventing anyone else from doing the job I agree with you on.
Voldemort did take the Defense Against the Dark Arts position one year. The first year he was using Quirlles body he was technically the teacher...he just stayed in the background while teaching.
@@ked49 Well, he sort of died again when Quirrell died. I mean, his soul didn't leave earth, but he lost the body he was inhabiting and it would take him several more years to get another body. It was a major setback.
This is why Dumbledore did not give Snape the position sooner. It was already dangerous for Snape. Let alone having the curse of DADA over his head. Also. People say Snape suffered. When Lily died. So did he. His Emotions became deadened. This I think is also why he was able to lie to Voldemort all the time. He was emotionally numb and dead inside. The only emotion left was loathing of himself for the mistake he made and hate of Voldemort and maybe hope for revenge.
No one could ever play Severus Snape as well as the masterful Alan Rickman. Hands down. His portrayal was so minutely perfect in every aspect, from his suspicious appearance to his mannerisms to his slow and condescending voice. He’s such a great and complex character, and definitely my fave.
It's even more amazing that he almost stopped playing the role. It took JKR telling him about his true allegiance and role as a double agent for him to accept continuing. And I believe there is a interview where he said he would veto and disagree with how directors told him to act because he knew snapes true motivations and understood the character deeper than anyone else (before the final book was even released)
Honestly, AS much AS I love him, He was kinda a miscasting, since He Made Snape so much more charusmatic and lovable, Not to say attracktive then the characters was supposed to BE in the books
@@HarryPotterTheory yea dude! I especially like how the curse also worked against Harry as the unofficial teacher 5th year. And it seems like Voldemort (ignorant in many areas) slipped up by putting Amycus Carrow in the position as the curse backfired on his cause, helping turn the tide against him.
He didnt. While im sure he wasnt against the idea he was half crazed and set in askaban before his mother took it upon herself to ask her husband to break jr out.
I feel like the curse has a bit of karma in it as well. Quirl wanted to be more than what he was, he became less than a puppet. Lockhart wanted to enjoy being famous yet can't due to his memory charm that made him famous take it away. Lupin wanted to teach his students to be brave in spite of fear, but after his curse were outed, brought fear and uncertainty to the students and their families. Crouch Jr. Took the duty to infiltrate hogwarts to be in Voldemort's good graces, but was stripped of everything and left as a pawn discarded. Umbridge wanted to have complete control and authority but was nearly killed by "lesser" creatures and lost all authority around her. Snape wanted to protect Harry, stayed loyal to Dumbledore and make a living in Hogwarts, but couldn't protect Harry, had to kill Dumbledore and lost his friends and living in Hogwarts. And the Carrows wanted to spread fear and darkness in Hogwarts and sing Voldemort's praises. And we all know how that went. I think it's more of karma-fueled irony that essentially acts as a flew too close to the sun sort of thing.
I understand what you are saying but I don’t think ‘ karma’ is the right word. Karma is getting back what you put out, getting what you deserve in other words. For most you could say that’s the case but Lupin didn’t deserve what he received, and some would argue Snape didn’t (as his actions were meant to put right his past wrongs). I’d call it more a twist of irony, they achieved (for the most part) the opposite of what they set out to do.
Dumbledore also knew Lockhart was a scumbag. And he probably left the slot vacant on purpose in year 5 just to save the ministry. Seems like something he'd come up with.
Ya know, this proposes an idea. Would Quirrel potentially become another Hogwarts ghost? I can believe perhaps that someone like Fred would have no reason to become a ghost. He has no regrets, at least none powerful enough to bring him back from death. Querrel however, may very well suffer the same fate as Myrtle, where his death being swept under the rug could result in him lingering around the school desperate for Someone to learn of what happened to him. Subsequently, I also believe that Sirius himself could potentially become a ghost, since he died protecting Harry, I believe perhaps his spirit may linger in hopes of protecting Harry's friends and their descendents. But those are the only characters I believe have the potential to become ghosts without being immediately expelled from the castle. Though I do love the idea of Umbridge coming to haunt the ministry of magic one day having never managed to have that powerful husband she so wanted lol I like the idea that even Hell does not want her XD
Ravenclaws diadem was a horcrux, but also held the curse on the D.A.D.A position. It was hidden in the room of requirement. Dumbledore didnt even know about it, and apparently only found it once, he mentions in the GOF that he needed a bathroom, and randomly found one, but he was never able to find the room again. Once Harry destroyed the diadem, the curse was broken.
That's a good theory but it can also be argued that the curse was broken upon Voldemort's death just like Dumbledore's spell on Harry was broken upon his death.
@@nathanrudd2327 This was my take. I don't think the diadem had anything to do with the D.a. position. And would make no sense within the context of the story and or world.
@@aureliusandthespiralactually, it makes a lot of sense. The curse was still in effect even after voldemort lost his powers. All the horcrux's had some kind of power, and the diadem was hidden in hogwarts. He put it there after Dumbledore denied voldemort the position of DADA.
@@Larka661I always thought it was the fact that Voldemort wasn’t dead, technically. Yes his body was destroyed and his powers were “gone” but his soul was still anchored by his own magic. If he hadn’t made the horcruxes, I think the curse would have faded after his fall during The first War.
Were not many of the Characters in Harry Potter "tested" by their darkest fears. These may not have unfolded in a year, but they did over the course of the series and the books, and many did not survive.
Similar but slightly alternative theory: Voldemort put a CHARM on the position so that every DADA instructor would end up aiding his cause, whether intentionally or by accident. That works for every teacher (Lupin's presence indirectly led to Pettigrew escaping) up until Snape. Perhaps Snape was such a good double agent that he tricked the charm itself; this would also explain why Voldemort never really doubted that Snape was on his side. If he was a DADA teacher, he must be.
Nobody ever mentions the reason that Tom could’ve wanted the dark arts job simply to recruit more followers. I mean it just makes the most sense Access to all those students minds just ripe for the taking, and being a very powerful legilimens with the tongue of a viper, he would’ve gained followers en masse. After school ended I’m sure he figured it would be tougher, albeit not impossible, why not try to make it easier?
Plus, the position would let him teach the dark arts under the auspices of defense. See the fake Moody, who nearly blows his cover by doing the unforgivables in class and on students.
I am interested to know if there is a cannon list of all the teachers who help the position since voldemort placed the curse. We only knows those from the books but there most have been a lot of time passed since voldemort placed the curse and harrys first school day
I think it seems as though Voldemort desired to curse this subject because he was a dark wizard and wanted to ensure any upcoming generations that might one day try to challenge him were severely hampered in their learning about the subject that may end up challenging. I feel like this is partly why he wanted to teach in the first place to sabotage any upcoming students and keep an eye on any potential rivals while they were young.
What I find interesting is that Voldemort’s curse actually hurt him in the long run, because most of the defense ADA teachers were working towards his goals. In a way.
I do have one question how come the curse didn't cancel out after quirrle died because he had Voldemort possessing him so in turn Voldemort taught the dada class
What’s more, most of them either die not long after or suffer a fate worse than death. Quirrel: dust Lockheart: irreparable amnesia Lupin: died 4 years later Crouch: kissed Moody: died 3 years later Snape: died the following year The Carrows and Umbridge went to a dementor-free Azkaban. I can only assume because they liked Voldemort.
I wonder if the prophecy actually stopped others from killing Harry and Voldemort by harming or killing anyone who tried. Quirrel dead, Lockhart dead personality, Lupin fired, Umbridge enjoyed time with Centaurs, Snape dead. Dumbledore died a year after his duel with Voldemort in the mom.
Nay. Prophesies dont actually have any value unless you put value into them. Voldemort did and does therefore he wont stop being an absolute dick to harry, but thats all their really is to it.
I can’t believe I have never thought of it, but I would love to see a video about what you think the actual Mad Eye Moody would’ve been like being the Defense Against the Dark Arts professor.
I think the answer to this is a bit boring when played out, but...in a cool way? I dunno, it's confusing. Basically, Barty Crouch Jr was a _really_ good actor. Devoted to the bit, and had Moody himself under the Imperius Curse to quiz him on how he'd behave so Barty could do a better job impersonating him. Which means that Moody would have been _very_ similar as a teacher if he'd gotten to do it properly. Probably without the Malfoy Ferret incident, though, so...net loss, there :P You can kinda see this for yourself in book 5 when we meet the real Moody as part of the Order and he's just....exactly the same as the fake one. Overall I think it would be the same experience but with a calmer, less childish (and more paranoid) Moody. But really, BCJ is kind of insane when you learn what all he did in his life. Dude was a badass, it's a shame he went dark.
@@riluna3695 I wonder if the real moody would have done the unforgivable curses on them. Especially in the book when he was doing the imperius curse on them.
@@jokerfan52fun I actually suspect he would. Fake-Moody claims that Dumbledore himself wanted the unforgivables taught two years early, and while he could be lying, it's very unlikely. For starters, every student was talking about how amazing that class was. There's no way it didn't reach the ears of Dumbledore or McGonagall, so if they hadn't actually authorized that, they'd come down on him pretty quick. Dumbledore also has reason to be teaching these spells early, since he thinks Voldy could come back any moment now that Pettigrew's loose. And exposing people to the imperius curse in a safe environment is a pretty good idea, especially for the purposes of teaching them to break out, if they're capable of it. So really I think Barty was doing everything by the book, with the possible exception of giggling like a madman as he did so. Ironically, he was genuinely one of Harry's best teachers, despite being a villain. Too good at playing your part, Mr. Crouch :P
Nope. Quirell had worked at the school for years, Dumbledore thought he hired Moody to protect the school but Barty turned up instead & he trusted Snape
Here one for you. Harry Potter taught defense against the dark arts for one year only and then Neville Longbottom only taught defense against the dark arts one year only.
Lupin was definitely not the best DADA teacher. Maybe if we're talking specifically about Harry but that's still contested. He was frequently absent and many other flaws whereas Imposter Moody showed the dark curses first hand, helped Harry through the triwizard tournament teaching multiple students in the process, and many more acts. Personally, I think Crouch Jr. was the best DADA teacher, which is wild since he himself was a dark wizard.
2:02 I think this is an interesting "What if?". While Riddle's path was more or less set in stone by the time Dumbledore became Headmaster, maybe that wasn't the case when he first graduated and this was the last chance to prevent him from becoming the Dark Lord.
He killed his father and grandparents and made a horcrux with the ring as well as opening up the chamber and killing moaning murtle and framing hagrid and his uncle morphin during said evil acts. All done prior to leaving school.
@@alastorclark3492 I thought the Riddle murders were after he graduated? My mistake. I also had a theory that Myrtle's death might have been a freak accident since, based on her description, it sounded like Tom didn't even know she was there and she just stumbled on him opening the chamber.
So if the position had a new teacher every year since Dumbledore rejected Riddle, who were the 40 some odd teachers that filled the post since the year after Riddle graduated from Hogwarts?
Not explained however the curse in reality just seems annoying and had some nasty side effects that happened during harrys years. In reality you could probably just rotate teachers each year and if you consider the crimes of grindlwald to be canon then dumbledore filled said post at least once.
Because they either died or were made unable to teach before the second to last days (Quirrell, Lockhart, Crouch), or quit of their own volition (Lupin, Moody, and even Umbridge).
I still think that as the greatest dark wizard of all time, Voldemort should have had bigger things in his mind other than a teaching position at a school. He could have freely conducted all researches of the dark arts outside Hogwarts. The wizarding world is much much larger for him to discover.
I personally feel that him being 'the greatest dark wizard of all time' was mere propaganda. I would personally describe Grindelwald as being a greater dark wizard. Maybe (and this is a big maybe) Voldemort was more powerful, but Grindelwald actually had a plan and enough sense to maintain a potentially viable society running under his rule while Voldemort's society crumbled in less than 1 year after he gained power.
The reason why he wanted the job was because it was an easy way to get followers. He could manipulate students from the age of 11 to when they become an adult and be the best Death Eater that they could be
Umbridge was also afraid of certain creatures, such as centaurs AKA "creatures with near-human intelligence", and she certainly faced those fears as she was carried away by them into the forest. She was never quite the same after that.
Actually, I think it's not - somewhat ironically because of the first known circumstantial evidence: Quirrell. When he "signed on the dotted line" to become DODA teacher, he was already overpowered and possessed by Voldemort. Voldemort already had already exploited his worst fears BEFORE signing the contract. If anything, the curse/ jinx by the time of becoming DODA teacher would have needed to backfire against Voldemort's greatest fear. Now, even if assume that Voldemort recognized a mistake about his own curse there and then: Why would he later want Snape to assume that position?
I think you didn’t analyze the 1994-95 school year correctly. Barty Crouch, Jr. never officially agreed to be DADA professor. However, Alastor Moody was overpowered by Dark wizards, and all his paranoia did not protect him.
Funny thought. Watching this video made me remember that riddle was already insisting people call him Voldemort and was quite frustrated that dumbledore wouldn’t. He presumably wouldn’t have had his students use it too. But for some reason, the idea of Voldemort, demanding people call him by his chosen name, or address him as lord, only to be defeated when required to sign his given name on a job application and other official forms.
14:54 um i dont remember the carrows targeting harry a lot in book 7. it was mainly nevil they went after as harry, ron, and hermione were traveling around the country hunting horcruxes for most of the story. they didnt return to hogwarts until the end of the book
They didnt at all. Short of the time he saw them up in the tower with draco harry never even knew about them. While i like some of this guys videos and am subbed i happen to read these books on repeat and know flat out that this guys knowledge of the series is based off the movies and word vomiting the super carlin brothers.
That Angry Goth kid always had a thirst for power. He didn't value emotional connections and only wanted people to adhere to his wants and fear him. Basically a standard sociopath with access to magic.
You know a really crazy thing I just thought of..... if Tom Riddle wasn't so full of himself during those school days, he might've taken a few minutes to ask one of the ghosts about death, like Harry did. I don't think the bloody Barron would've answered his questions, but I can see the Frier answering his question. If he had talked to one of the ghosts, it might have relieved some of the fear he had about death. If he had just took a slight interest in what happened to history of magic teacher, he might have put together that if he died, somehow, he could've come back as a ghost...attach hiself to Hogwarts, and influenced all the students attending... he might have even got to teach his favorite subject..DADA. And having gotten over his fear of death, there would be no reason for horcruxes, or a least, no more than one.... and without the horcruxes, his soul wouldn't have been ripped apart so many times. He would've had most if not all of his soul.... And I don't think the Wizarding World would have survived the first war. I think a Voldermort with his full soul is pretty much unbeatable. Think he would've been too powerful.
I disagree that Snape turned into a good guy. Not genuinely anyway. He only did it for Lily and couldn't care less if Harry and James were killed. Dumbledore called him disgusting for that.
Snape actually taught DADA twice and faced the curse twice. He substituted for Lupin and he was therefore fated to be faced by werewolf Lupin again that year. But also thanks to Snape, they where thaught about Werewolves. The curse builds through out the year and takes full effect at the end of each school year to make place for another DADA applicant the next year.
Rather than the mechanics of the jinx, I’ve always wondered how you could jinx an idea. It seems from my understanding of the HP world that spells and curses must be cast at or on a tangible object. A teaching post isn’t a physical thing, so on what was the jinx cast? Similarly, how was the taboo on Voldemort’s name cast?
I see where you're going with the jinx being placed on the item and the only thing I can possibly fathom would be Rowena ravenclaws tiara that's still stored in the school all the way to the end.
I always assumed that Voldemort didn’t actively jinx the position but the jinx manifested. Like when Harry blew up his aunt, I think even adult wizards can’t completely stop emotional magic. And Voldemort was so enraged at not getting the position that even with his intention being to hide a Horcrux and move on to bigger tasks than teaching- the part of him that was sentimental enough to have feelings for the school actually manifested the curse subconsciously
I’ve long since given up trying to apply any sort of logic to how any of the “magic” in Harry Potter works. It’s flat out impossible to try and think about how a job can be “jinxed” in any logical or scientific sense.
The magic seems to work along the ways of science. They're constantly learning on top of creating. Possibly not even creating just discovering the means to create. Like Severus Snape and is Half-Blood Prince spells. He didn't necessarily create them, but he did discover them. Which leaves nearly infinite possibilities regarding magic. It's like a blueprint and that's kind of how I've established how Magic works. First you have to be a proper conduit, Muggles are not proper conduits so that's why they can't perform magic, then you have to have the proper knowledge of the basic principles to perform it efficiently. From there your imagination and willingness to attempt things be they good or bad leads the way to the aptitude and perceived greatness of who is performing the magic. A job can be jinxed because it's altering the Fate around the subject. It might even be a jinx on the classroom and not necessarily the subject.
@@idcyco3623 I am of the opinion that it is the diadem's "defence" or ability if you will that causes the jinx and that it was broken when the diadem died not before voldemort died, but how would we know? Their is also different ways in which magic is presented and used such as naturally accuring as a method of hunting or defense in magical creatures and the methods of house elves and goblins
@@alastorclark3492 in witches and wizards magic is natural to a point. They have to use all sorts of other things to enhance that magic. And as other species are more tuned to it, they have very powerful magic despite having no enhancements.
@@idcyco3623 A wand does indeed enhance magic and do more specific directed magic, but i didnt mention them as they are not producing the magic just directing it. This is most similar to goblins whos magic is imbued into the things they craft. Its why i believe they covit wandlore so much.
I don't think it was ever explicitly stated but my head canon is that Dumbledore only recruited Lupin in year three specifically because Sirius had escaped and he knew he may come for Harry. Dumbledore likely had a different candidate in mind had Sirius not escaped.
I also thought the curse was to cause some chaos in this subject. You mentioned how it affected teaching the subject - long term plan to weaken wizards who might oppose him.
You know, in an odd way the curse tells us that Umbridge actually was trying to teach the subject as she saw it. The curse would presumably not target someone who took the job with no intention to fulfill it. In the same way, it picked up on Harry wanting and taking steps to teach it, so it hit him.
The carrows didn't teach defence against the dark arts, it was literally just the dark arts. I don't see this one counting. Plus they were put there by old voldy himself
To be fair, Voldemort doesn't exactly *truly* care about any of his followers. Dumbledore himself said that he's incapable of such emotions as love or compassion. So......I wouldn't put it past him to put them in that post, knowing that some doom awaited them at year's end, so long as they lived to serve their purpose in that time!
After all......He sent Barty, "his most faithful servant" to impersonate Moody and be the intern DATDA teacher, and we all know how well that went for him....If he did it to his most faithful servant, he'd do it to anyone!
I read that while attending Hogwarts, Lockhart found Tom Riddle's notes on creating the Dark Mark spell from when he was a student. And after tweaking it, he used it to plaster a giant picture of his face in the sky above Hogwarts. Its probably not canon, but it needs to be.
Everytime I see the Pic of that teen Tom Riddle from Half Blood Prince, I just seethe. A testament to that young actor. He's phenomenal and underappreciated.
Snape was a good guy turned bad guy because of his bullying at the hands of the Marauders, which eventually led him to the two biggest mistakes of his life, first to push away Lily Evans and then to join up with Tom Riddle and his little gang. Then he did a heel face turn after Voldemort killed Lily, and his only condition for turning double and then later lying about turning triple agent was that Dumbledore never reveal to anyone the one good decision that he actually made in his life. I guess he was actually the only one who ultimately proved strong enough to overcome his own fears, since he's the one to reveal to Harry the secret of his allegiance.
Regarding your list of Umbridge's fears "...the fear of anything she considered chaotic or outside her authority." Frankly *any* teaching post would have forced her to confront that, at least while Fred and George were still at the school.
There was one more being who has in the profesors position, voldermont during fist year, whose greatest fear is dying (or losing again to Potter) almost dies again to Potter
MORE LONG VIDEOS: ua-cam.com/play/PLB5djWCQq2_e0UCOmVbhRP8HkxetpzXUV.html
🧹🪄@HarryPotterTheory🪄🧹Lord Of The Rings Theory Channel.?🙏🙏🙏
Let's not forget Moody; who was technically hired as the Defense teacher, who's greatest fear of being attacked, ambushed, by dark wizards, was attacked, ambushed and imprisoned before he even got to the school.
That one's truly for the record books.
It *has* to be the highest score possible.
I was thinking of Moody too in this video.
He was hit sooooo hard by this curse. He was technically the dark arts teacher and I'm pretty sure that he faced his greatest fear A LOT during that one year in that chest.
A death eater being the dark arts teacher instead of him may be one of his biggest fears too. He catched them all
And then, he later met his end at the hand of the Death Eaters, who gave his eye to Umbridge to be used for evil purposes......I dunno if anyone would count that as part of it, but either way, no two ways about it.......he got the WORST of the curse!
Haha 😁🤗😄 oh the irony.
I was going to say something similar with the additional thought that it was a rare but brief moment when Moody was not vigilant (ie checking on a racoon messing with his trash or something to that effect) that he fell victim to the monsters he'd spend a lifetime hunting.
Feel that the real Moody should be in this also. While Moody never taught he did accept the position and then was caught of guard and kept captive for the whole year.
That’s what I thought.
He was overly paranoid that his life was in danger or that a dark wizard was going to attack him.
And after years of nothing happening, look what does happen when he decides to teach DATDA.
Snape's biggest fear was failing Lily. We see that in his worst memory. That was the year Snape learned that Harry had to die. And there was nothing he could do about it. On top of that he has to deal with Harry nearly killing draco with a spell Snape invented. You could argue being exposed was another one of his fears. Or simply dealing with the consequences of his past actions. Snape delt with all of that in that year.
Snape HATED Harry from day 1. Which makes sense. He wondered what kind of boy Harry would be. Loving, kind and shy like his mother perhaps. But instead Harry struts around with his friends, showing off his scar and breaking every rule going, just like his father, James. Its only better in the film, when Snape says "Anyone would think the three of you are.... up to something." Harry is giving him a death stare and Snape's face changes to a "i hope the dark lord kills you" expression.
I sometimes wonder if Snape was playing both sides at this point. He only joined The Order to save Lily, who died. So he wants revenge for her death. But against who? Volie for killing her? Or Albus for failing to protect her? He could be thinking "Whichever side wins im screwed. If Albus wins, Harry will die. If Voldermort wins, Harry will die." Remember, Albus even told him that Harry had to die "you're raising him like a pig for slaughter!!!"
@@AzguardMike i dont think it was hatred. he saw james in harry, and couldnt see past that. he held a grudge against james, and harry was a source of jealousy to snape instead of outright hate. if he HATED harry he never would have cared to help protect him, lily's son or not. but yes, this was the only reason he joined the order, bc of lily. it was an "any enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing.
Might it be possible that, the reason why Dumbledore didn't allow Snape to teach the subject for all those years, despite his intelligence and considerable insight into Dark Arts, was because he was saving Snape's turn for a truly desperate time?
After all; it would be foolish and wasteful to sacrifice your queen to eliminate a pawn, when you could instead use it strategically at the most opportune moment to avert an imminent defeat.
I agree that he did prob refuse the job to snape for that reason although i dont think he meant to sacrafice snape. You dont gatta die at the end just stop being a defense teacher. Pretty sure that prior to the start of the series dumbledore just roatated out teachers or had temps similar to grubly plank
@@alastorclark3492
I didn't mean "sacrifice" in the sense of having him die.
I meant sacrificing his one and only turn as teacher of Defence against the Dark Arts.
It would, after all, be a terrible waste to have him teach during a year where literally nothing happens, where an average Joe would more than suffice.
@@Tengu125 Ohh that makes sense although im not so sure that a teacher couldnt teach datda more than once just not back to back however i cant prove that so ehh. Regardless its a risk i wouldnt take either until the time is right. Thats very dumbledore
I thought that’s what the actual reason was.
@@alastorclark3492it is in the Books, (and I think at least 1 movie too), when Riddle (aka Voldemort) was turned down for the position of DADA (Defense Against the Dark Arts) instructor position, he laid a Curse that none could be the DADA instructor for more than a year!
... Huh. That's honestly a really good point. And it seems like the curse might've also hit its creator, if we're going with technicalities like Harry hosting class sessions. Because, after all, when Quirrel took the position of DAtDA, Voldemort was technically a part of him. And even though it did take a few years, Voldemort did, ultimately, end up facing _his_ greatest fear: death.
Heroes never die
From the world building and consistency perspective this makes more sense than the "ancient magic" and "mother's love protection" that J.K.R. wrote in the books.
Well he sort of died with Quirrel, or at least had his body die and became powerless again, his horcrux died in the chamber the following year, then he failed to kill Harry showing his lack of power in the graveyard. I feel like Voldemort had two main fears: Death and powerlessness which went hand in hand for him. The curse really took over after that year on Quirrel's head
You have an excellent point.
@@Mohenjo_Daro_ he didnt exactly die with quirrel, he inhabited all kinds of bodies of animals and such he was more like a tick that let go of the body upon death. the ultimate death came at harry's hand, or actually voldy's own through harry.
This makes so much sense. Especially about Snape. It’s in the same year that he was DADA professor, he founds out that eventually the boy whom he was protecting for Lily’s sake, had to die when the time comes. So that was his worst fear. ALWAYS
Outstanding theory! I would go one step farther in regard to Lockhart. His greatest fear was being forgettable, being someone no one remembered. This was why he placed memory charms on the people he took credit from. It ended with him being forgotten, even by himself. Very fascinating theory though.
I do love that Fake Moody still committed to being a great teacher!
...like, I respect the hell out of that! 😃
Well with albus there I would 😅
It was a part of his cover, if he was lousy he would never have gained Harry's trust, which was crucial to the success of his plan
Barty crouch jr taught harry some of the best skills he has torwards fighting moldy and the dark arts in general. I find this wonderful
Yes he taught Harry how to throw off the imperio curse by accident. I think he was just doing it to vent his own frustration with being controlled for so long. He taught his mortal enemy how to defeat the master he was so desperate to serve. He was a let down to his real father and his father figure. On top of that, you can't spend that much time in askabam without fearing the dementors kiss. Which was his ultimate fate.
@@blakec8549 I'm not so sure it was accidental. It was either dumbledore told him to teach them with an emphasis on harry or he took it upon himself and lied to hermione about dumbledore saying they should learn, but all the same he put special focus on teaching harry specifically to the point where harry could push it off him almost instantly.
@@alastorclark3492 I don't think it was accidental either. But I just don't think he expected harry to actually do it. Or hell, maybe he did. As someone who worships Voldemort maybe he actually had some high expectations for Voldemorts biggest threat. That makes him even more interesting imo. The rest of the death eaters all treat harry like a dumb kid
Of course, only who use the Dark Art know how to BEST counter them, isn't it? Sort of like how the best people to block computer hacks are probably the hackers themsevles... LOL
@@carmanjun4859the curses are not dark arts , they are simply very effective tools and they get used often as a last resort for one reason or another by skilled wizards .
However using such effective tools against another person would draw incredible outrage out of empathy hence they are banned
Points for you, I've never heard anyone else point out that Harry Potter was in effect a DADA professor. Hadn't realized it myself until you said it. Don't know if it originated with you or has been lurking about the internet unseen by me, but well pointed out.
It does sound plausible. I’d also like to compliment you. I love the pace you use to tell the narrative and also the fact that you do not use a Music overlay, this makes it fun to watch and gives the viewers time to think about what you’re saying. Great! 🎉
Kinda ironic Voldie's lackie got his job and got screwed over by the curse Voldie placed in.
9:10 He didn't fail though, he was SUPPOSED to stay at the school, had he have went to the graveyard, Voldemort would have probably asked what the heck he's doing there when he's supposed to be at the school. The curse may also have an added layer of ensuring no-one can effectively learn Defense against the Dark Arts due to teacher swapping and different teaching styles.
Barty's greatest fear was not being able to serve Voldemort--not a fear of failing him. When he got the Dementor's Kiss, it was bye-bye to his plans to be Volde's right hand man.
Although this would seem to suggest that Voldemort did not recognize he had laid a curse on the position, otherwise he wouldn't have had Barty serve in the role and get cursed. But kids do magic by accident, and we know Voldemort made Harry a Horcrux by accident (even without saying whatever words are needed to actually bind a fragment of your soul into something else), so it's possible that just his rage created the curse--like Harry's anger manifesting as blowing up Aunt Marge (who had to be professionally deflated, even after Harry ran away).
Seriously, Barty played the part perfectly. He fooled some of the best wizards and witches in the world, including Dumbledore. If anything Voldemort failed, Harry was a sitting duck in the graveyard but he played with his food, and his arrogance allowed Harry to escape. Barty's only slip up was at the very end when he ran out of polyjuice.
Granted how similar are emotions and psychology of people to the real world, here is a big plot problem: How Dumbledoor was able to find a new DADA professor every year, after everyone of them faces all sorts of problems by the end of the year and had to leave, and rumour about the curse spread? It is difficult to understand how was he able to search without being worried, let alone find people willing!
Because being a professor at hogwarts gives you carrier clout.
Defence against the dark arts teacher probably got paid out of control lol
Well it’s not like they all died or suffered some sort of grave misfortune. Besides of the DaDA teachers we see:
One wants to go to Hogwarts for personal reasons (retrieval of one Philosopher’s Stone)
One is an idiot who probably doesn’t think the curse effects him
One was clearly being discriminated against due to an unfortunate case of lycanthropy and had difficulty finding employment
One wanted to go to Hogwarts for personal reasons (namely ensuring one Harry Potter won the Tri-Wizard Tournament)
One was an idiot who was ordered to take the job by someone she had a crush on and probably didn’t believe in the curse
Slughorn had to be blackmailed/bribed into taking the position
Snape arguably was a death seeker after Lily’s death
So it seems like only idiots, desperate people and people with strong personal reasons for seeking the position were taking the job.
@@cathygrandstaff1957 slughorn taught potions
Just to remind you that people do accept incredibly horrible/dangerous jobs (like cleaning sewers or fixing crime scenes or body-guarding a really threatened person), just because the pay is good enough. As we are never told how much did the teachers earn, I can imagine the DADA position had a rather large premium due to the knowledge of the curse.
That being said, Quirrell was the only one to die during his tenure, but both Lockhart and Crouch faced a fate worse than death (one ended up locked in a psychiatric hospital and the other one lost his soul to the dementors), Lupin and Snape died shortly afterwards, and only, as far as we know, Umbridge and Carrow survived, but completely in disgrace (one in jail and the other regarded as a dangerous racist Voldemort helper). In fact, even Moody and Voldemort ended up dead. The only one who made it out "well" was Harry himself, but in the meantime he lost his three father figures (Dumbledore, Black and Lupin), one of his best friends (Fred), and got killed but managed to come back.
I belive that Valdemort wanted to be DADA professor to create more followers or to lessen the ability of others to defend themselves. Dumbledore saw through this. The curse would have prevented other professors from being as successful in teaching students to defend themselves against Valdemort and his deatheaters.
It's plausible to me to argue that at the time Riddle intended to teach the Dark Arts under the auspices of Defense. The curse preventing anyone else from doing the job I agree with you on.
Voldemort did take the Defense Against the Dark Arts position one year. The first year he was using Quirlles body he was technically the teacher...he just stayed in the background while teaching.
And he eventually died. His worst fear
@@ked49 Well, he sort of died again when Quirrell died. I mean, his soul didn't leave earth, but he lost the body he was inhabiting and it would take him several more years to get another body. It was a major setback.
a little too technical i think
And at the 5s year. His horocrux was present in a person that tought DaDA to others)
@@L_Eres thats not him being conscious or being the teacher so no
Quite interesting to contemplate. I’ve never thought about Harry being part of the jinx, but actually it absolutely fits. Great video!
This is why Dumbledore did not give Snape the position sooner. It was already dangerous for Snape. Let alone having the curse of DADA over his head.
Also. People say Snape suffered. When Lily died. So did he. His Emotions became deadened. This I think is also why he was able to lie to Voldemort all the time. He was
emotionally numb and dead inside. The only emotion left was loathing of himself for the mistake he made and hate of Voldemort and maybe hope for revenge.
No one could ever play Severus Snape as well as the masterful Alan Rickman. Hands down. His portrayal was so minutely perfect in every aspect, from his suspicious appearance to his mannerisms to his slow and condescending voice. He’s such a great and complex character, and definitely my fave.
It's even more amazing that he almost stopped playing the role. It took JKR telling him about his true allegiance and role as a double agent for him to accept continuing. And I believe there is a interview where he said he would veto and disagree with how directors told him to act because he knew snapes true motivations and understood the character deeper than anyone else (before the final book was even released)
Any actor doing the job in the future is going to have to put some twist on it, because just trying to match Alan's work is a recipe for disaster.
Honestly, AS much AS I love him, He was kinda a miscasting, since He Made Snape so much more charusmatic and lovable, Not to say attracktive then the characters was supposed to BE in the books
This is the best HP theory I’ve heard in a while from your channel or Super Carlin Brothers. I definitely subscribe to this one, it’s so plausible.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@HarryPotterTheory yea dude! I especially like how the curse also worked against Harry as the unofficial teacher 5th year. And it seems like Voldemort (ignorant in many areas) slipped up by putting Amycus Carrow in the position as the curse backfired on his cause, helping turn the tide against him.
Re: Barty Crouch Jr, I think his biggest fear would have been the Dementors. He even had his mother take his place in Azkeban.
He didnt. While im sure he wasnt against the idea he was half crazed and set in askaban before his mother took it upon herself to ask her husband to break jr out.
Lockhart I feel his biggest fear was being forgotten and so his “punishment” was to forget himself.
I feel like the curse has a bit of karma in it as well.
Quirl wanted to be more than what he was, he became less than a puppet.
Lockhart wanted to enjoy being famous yet can't due to his memory charm that made him famous take it away.
Lupin wanted to teach his students to be brave in spite of fear, but after his curse were outed, brought fear and uncertainty to the students and their families.
Crouch Jr. Took the duty to infiltrate hogwarts to be in Voldemort's good graces, but was stripped of everything and left as a pawn discarded.
Umbridge wanted to have complete control and authority but was nearly killed by "lesser" creatures and lost all authority around her.
Snape wanted to protect Harry, stayed loyal to Dumbledore and make a living in Hogwarts, but couldn't protect Harry, had to kill Dumbledore and lost his friends and living in Hogwarts.
And the Carrows wanted to spread fear and darkness in Hogwarts and sing Voldemort's praises. And we all know how that went.
I think it's more of karma-fueled irony that essentially acts as a flew too close to the sun sort of thing.
I understand what you are saying but I don’t think ‘ karma’ is the right word. Karma is getting back what you put out, getting what you deserve in other words. For most you could say that’s the case but Lupin didn’t deserve what he received, and some would argue Snape didn’t (as his actions were meant to put right his past wrongs). I’d call it more a twist of irony, they achieved (for the most part) the opposite of what they set out to do.
That makes sense to me. Classically magical curses often had some ironic component to them and JKR respects the classics.
ITS less Karma, since thats IS getting Back what you give, and more cosmic irony or something Like that
This video came at the perfect time, with 15 minutes to go before my train comes..
Perfect!
Same, 15 minutes until I need to leave to pick up dinner
Hope you didn't miss your train!
Dumbledore used the jinx in the end. Giving Snape the dark arts job kind of upped Dumbledore and his chances of succeeding in their plan
Dumbledore also knew Lockhart was a scumbag. And he probably left the slot vacant on purpose in year 5 just to save the ministry. Seems like something he'd come up with.
So his curse was essentially Essence of Boggart? Makes you wonder how he pulled that off.
Ya know, this proposes an idea. Would Quirrel potentially become another Hogwarts ghost? I can believe perhaps that someone like Fred would have no reason to become a ghost. He has no regrets, at least none powerful enough to bring him back from death. Querrel however, may very well suffer the same fate as Myrtle, where his death being swept under the rug could result in him lingering around the school desperate for Someone to learn of what happened to him. Subsequently, I also believe that Sirius himself could potentially become a ghost, since he died protecting Harry, I believe perhaps his spirit may linger in hopes of protecting Harry's friends and their descendents. But those are the only characters I believe have the potential to become ghosts without being immediately expelled from the castle. Though I do love the idea of Umbridge coming to haunt the ministry of magic one day having never managed to have that powerful husband she so wanted lol I like the idea that even Hell does not want her XD
Voldemort is basically an Austrian painter rejected by hogwarts
Ravenclaws diadem was a horcrux, but also held the curse on the D.A.D.A position. It was hidden in the room of requirement. Dumbledore didnt even know about it, and apparently only found it once, he mentions in the GOF that he needed a bathroom, and randomly found one, but he was never able to find the room again. Once Harry destroyed the diadem, the curse was broken.
That's a good theory but it can also be argued that the curse was broken upon Voldemort's death just like Dumbledore's spell on Harry was broken upon his death.
@@nathanrudd2327 This was my take. I don't think the diadem had anything to do with the D.a. position. And would make no sense within the context of the story and or world.
@@aureliusandthespiralactually, it makes a lot of sense. The curse was still in effect even after voldemort lost his powers. All the horcrux's had some kind of power, and the diadem was hidden in hogwarts. He put it there after Dumbledore denied voldemort the position of DADA.
@@Larka661I always thought it was the fact that Voldemort wasn’t dead, technically. Yes his body was destroyed and his powers were “gone” but his soul was still anchored by his own magic. If he hadn’t made the horcruxes, I think the curse would have faded after his fall during The first War.
@@TonyRay398 if voldemort could perform magic when he lost his powers, he wouldn't have needed wormtails help 😑
Were not many of the Characters in Harry Potter "tested" by their darkest fears. These may not have unfolded in a year, but they did over the course of the series and the books, and many did not survive.
I enjoyed this video!! Thank You for making it & posting it
Ooh and Gilderoy who also loved being a somebody became a nobody! Even to himself! So he was hit with a double whammy of poetic justice
Similar but slightly alternative theory: Voldemort put a CHARM on the position so that every DADA instructor would end up aiding his cause, whether intentionally or by accident. That works for every teacher (Lupin's presence indirectly led to Pettigrew escaping) up until Snape. Perhaps Snape was such a good double agent that he tricked the charm itself; this would also explain why Voldemort never really doubted that Snape was on his side. If he was a DADA teacher, he must be.
Nobody ever mentions the reason that Tom could’ve wanted the dark arts job simply to recruit more followers. I mean it just makes the most sense Access to all those students minds just ripe for the taking, and being a very powerful legilimens with the tongue of a viper, he would’ve gained followers en masse. After school ended I’m sure he figured it would be tougher, albeit not impossible, why not try to make it easier?
Plus, the position would let him teach the dark arts under the auspices of defense. See the fake Moody, who nearly blows his cover by doing the unforgivables in class and on students.
Voldemort's curse of the DADA position ensured his failure to procure the sorcerer's stone.
😂😂
I am interested to know if there is a cannon list of all the teachers who help the position since voldemort placed the curse. We only knows those from the books but there most have been a lot of time passed since voldemort placed the curse and harrys first school day
What an amazing theory!
It also made me realize more how much Snape had to suffer.
On the other hand, central characters encountering challenges based on high stakes and their greatest fears is a fundamental basis for story itself
I think it seems as though Voldemort desired to curse this subject because he was a dark wizard and wanted to ensure any upcoming generations that might one day try to challenge him were severely hampered in their learning about the subject that may end up challenging. I feel like this is partly why he wanted to teach in the first place to sabotage any upcoming students and keep an eye on any potential rivals while they were young.
That's possible, but Voldemort also seems like the petty sort who would curse it just so that no one else could have it.
What I find interesting is that Voldemort’s curse actually hurt him in the long run, because most of the defense ADA teachers were working towards his goals. In a way.
That is true but also if there wasn't the curse then none of his 'agents' would have gotten into the position.
I do have one question how come the curse didn't cancel out after quirrle died because he had Voldemort possessing him so in turn Voldemort taught the dada class
I love watching Harry Potter, and I love your channel. Keep bring these videos and I will keep watching them :)
What’s more, most of them either die not long after or suffer a fate worse than death.
Quirrel: dust
Lockheart: irreparable amnesia
Lupin: died 4 years later
Crouch: kissed
Moody: died 3 years later
Snape: died the following year
The Carrows and Umbridge went to a dementor-free Azkaban. I can only assume because they liked Voldemort.
I wonder if the prophecy actually stopped others from killing Harry and Voldemort by harming or killing anyone who tried. Quirrel dead, Lockhart dead personality, Lupin fired, Umbridge enjoyed time with Centaurs, Snape dead. Dumbledore died a year after his duel with Voldemort in the mom.
Nay. Prophesies dont actually have any value unless you put value into them. Voldemort did and does therefore he wont stop being an absolute dick to harry, but thats all their really is to it.
I can’t believe I have never thought of it, but I would love to see a video about what you think the actual Mad Eye Moody would’ve been like being the Defense Against the Dark Arts professor.
I think the answer to this is a bit boring when played out, but...in a cool way? I dunno, it's confusing. Basically, Barty Crouch Jr was a _really_ good actor. Devoted to the bit, and had Moody himself under the Imperius Curse to quiz him on how he'd behave so Barty could do a better job impersonating him. Which means that Moody would have been _very_ similar as a teacher if he'd gotten to do it properly. Probably without the Malfoy Ferret incident, though, so...net loss, there :P
You can kinda see this for yourself in book 5 when we meet the real Moody as part of the Order and he's just....exactly the same as the fake one. Overall I think it would be the same experience but with a calmer, less childish (and more paranoid) Moody.
But really, BCJ is kind of insane when you learn what all he did in his life. Dude was a badass, it's a shame he went dark.
@@riluna3695 I wonder if the real moody would have done the unforgivable curses on them. Especially in the book when he was doing the imperius curse on them.
@@jokerfan52fun I actually suspect he would. Fake-Moody claims that Dumbledore himself wanted the unforgivables taught two years early, and while he could be lying, it's very unlikely.
For starters, every student was talking about how amazing that class was. There's no way it didn't reach the ears of Dumbledore or McGonagall, so if they hadn't actually authorized that, they'd come down on him pretty quick.
Dumbledore also has reason to be teaching these spells early, since he thinks Voldy could come back any moment now that Pettigrew's loose.
And exposing people to the imperius curse in a safe environment is a pretty good idea, especially for the purposes of teaching them to break out, if they're capable of it.
So really I think Barty was doing everything by the book, with the possible exception of giggling like a madman as he did so. Ironically, he was genuinely one of Harry's best teachers, despite being a villain. Too good at playing your part, Mr. Crouch :P
Did Dumbledore intentionally weaponize the curse to take out potential death eaters and train Harry?
Nope. Quirell had worked at the school for years, Dumbledore thought he hired Moody to protect the school but Barty turned up instead & he trusted Snape
@@marcopolo1472Rightfully trusted snape the slime ball
This makes a lot of sense since some of the defensive spells on his horcruxes also use a person's fear/paranoia against them
Maybe the daidem was somehow working that magic. Which is why the curse broke that year.
Here one for you. Harry Potter taught defense against the dark arts for one year only and then Neville Longbottom only taught defense against the dark arts one year only.
Thank You. I have read the books and watched the movie many times, but these videos help me enjoy the movies even more.
Lupin was definitely not the best DADA teacher. Maybe if we're talking specifically about Harry but that's still contested. He was frequently absent and many other flaws whereas Imposter Moody showed the dark curses first hand, helped Harry through the triwizard tournament teaching multiple students in the process, and many more acts. Personally, I think Crouch Jr. was the best DADA teacher, which is wild since he himself was a dark wizard.
2:02 I think this is an interesting "What if?". While Riddle's path was more or less set in stone by the time Dumbledore became Headmaster, maybe that wasn't the case when he first graduated and this was the last chance to prevent him from becoming the Dark Lord.
He killed his father and grandparents and made a horcrux with the ring as well as opening up the chamber and killing moaning murtle and framing hagrid and his uncle morphin during said evil acts. All done prior to leaving school.
@@alastorclark3492 I thought the Riddle murders were after he graduated? My mistake. I also had a theory that Myrtle's death might have been a freak accident since, based on her description, it sounded like Tom didn't even know she was there and she just stumbled on him opening the chamber.
@@Warrior-Of-Virtue Quite true. Her death was totally an accident, but def not one he hadnt intended to happen at some point id imagine.
@@Warrior-Of-Virtue riddle killed his father in the summer months directly after the chamber
@@alastorclark3492 After his first horcrux. I guess _that_ was the tipping point then.
So if the position had a new teacher every year since Dumbledore rejected Riddle, who were the 40 some odd teachers that filled the post since the year after Riddle graduated from Hogwarts?
Not explained however the curse in reality just seems annoying and had some nasty side effects that happened during harrys years. In reality you could probably just rotate teachers each year and if you consider the crimes of grindlwald to be canon then dumbledore filled said post at least once.
Well done. This one was especially good.
Why dont they just hire the dark arts teacher and fire them on the second to last day. Then rehire at the beginning of the next semester
Because they either died or were made unable to teach before the second to last days (Quirrell, Lockhart, Crouch), or quit of their own volition (Lupin, Moody, and even Umbridge).
I still think that as the greatest dark wizard of all time, Voldemort should have had bigger things in his mind other than a teaching position at a school. He could have freely conducted all researches of the dark arts outside Hogwarts. The wizarding world is much much larger for him to discover.
I personally feel that him being 'the greatest dark wizard of all time' was mere propaganda. I would personally describe Grindelwald as being a greater dark wizard. Maybe (and this is a big maybe) Voldemort was more powerful, but Grindelwald actually had a plan and enough sense to maintain a potentially viable society running under his rule while Voldemort's society crumbled in less than 1 year after he gained power.
The reason why he wanted the job was because it was an easy way to get followers. He could manipulate students from the age of 11 to when they become an adult and be the best Death Eater that they could be
Umbridge was also afraid of certain creatures, such as centaurs AKA "creatures with near-human intelligence", and she certainly faced those fears as she was carried away by them into the forest. She was never quite the same after that.
Actually, I think it's not - somewhat ironically because of the first known circumstantial evidence: Quirrell. When he "signed on the dotted line" to become DODA teacher, he was already overpowered and possessed by Voldemort. Voldemort already had already exploited his worst fears BEFORE signing the contract. If anything, the curse/ jinx by the time of becoming DODA teacher would have needed to backfire against Voldemort's greatest fear.
Now, even if assume that Voldemort recognized a mistake about his own curse there and then: Why would he later want Snape to assume that position?
I think you didn’t analyze the 1994-95 school year correctly. Barty Crouch, Jr. never officially agreed to be DADA professor. However, Alastor Moody was overpowered by Dark wizards, and all his paranoia did not protect him.
man i allways love your closing line
Awesome as always thanks
"Love for the school" - probably not the most accurate way to describe his fixation with the school. He was incapable of love.
I find it so funny that Tom basically peaked in high school and when he didn’t get what he wanted he hurt everyone that threatened that
Fear is fear it’s self. But you can always go above it
How you coming up with new video ideas so fast haha
The lack of actual canon ideas probably. I mean i could make a 16 minute video about harry secretly being apart of the blue man group if youd like
A higher turn over rate than International House of Pancakes.
Funny thought. Watching this video made me remember that riddle was already insisting people call him Voldemort and was quite frustrated that dumbledore wouldn’t. He presumably wouldn’t have had his students use it too. But for some reason, the idea of Voldemort, demanding people call him by his chosen name, or address him as lord, only to be defeated when required to sign his given name on a job application and other official forms.
Voldemort accidentally cursed himself when he and Quirrel took the job, that first year.
14:54 um i dont remember the carrows targeting harry a lot in book 7. it was mainly nevil they went after as harry, ron, and hermione were traveling around the country hunting horcruxes for most of the story. they didnt return to hogwarts until the end of the book
They didnt at all. Short of the time he saw them up in the tower with draco harry never even knew about them. While i like some of this guys videos and am subbed i happen to read these books on repeat and know flat out that this guys knowledge of the series is based off the movies and word vomiting the super carlin brothers.
Love the content mate been watching for years
Thanks very much!
Voldemort was just an angry goth that really wanted to be a teacher 😂
That Angry Goth kid always had a thirst for power. He didn't value emotional connections and only wanted people to adhere to his wants and fear him.
Basically a standard sociopath with access to magic.
Listened to this on a walk!
I Love listening to these videos and the audiobooks on walks!
@@Rizzle280 That is great
You know a really crazy thing I just thought of..... if Tom Riddle wasn't so full of himself during those school days, he might've taken a few minutes to ask one of the ghosts about death, like Harry did. I don't think the bloody Barron would've answered his questions, but I can see the Frier answering his question. If he had talked to one of the ghosts, it might have relieved some of the fear he had about death. If he had just took a slight interest in what happened to history of magic teacher, he might have put together that if he died, somehow, he could've come back as a ghost...attach hiself to Hogwarts, and influenced all the students attending... he might have even got to teach his favorite subject..DADA.
And having gotten over his fear of death, there would be no reason for horcruxes, or a least, no more than one.... and without the horcruxes, his soul wouldn't have been ripped apart so many times. He would've had most if not all of his soul.... And I don't think the Wizarding World would have survived the first war. I think a Voldermort with his full soul is pretty much unbeatable. Think he would've been too powerful.
I disagree that Snape turned into a good guy. Not genuinely anyway. He only did it for Lily and couldn't care less if Harry and James were killed. Dumbledore called him disgusting for that.
A Good Video 👌🏻👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
Snape having to kill Dumbledore the one person who could protect Harry from Voldemort could’ve been his biggest fear
Noice as always Theory!
i would argue barty crouch jr was the best data professor 😄
Snape actually taught DADA twice and faced the curse twice. He substituted for Lupin and he was therefore fated to be faced by werewolf Lupin again that year. But also thanks to Snape, they where thaught about Werewolves.
The curse builds through out the year and takes full effect at the end of each school year to make place for another DADA applicant the next year.
Rather than the mechanics of the jinx, I’ve always wondered how you could jinx an idea.
It seems from my understanding of the HP world that spells and curses must be cast at or on a tangible object. A teaching post isn’t a physical thing, so on what was the jinx cast? Similarly, how was the taboo on Voldemort’s name cast?
I see what you mean, and the same principle porbably applies to the trace.
There's probably some advanced form of magic involved for spells like these involving cooperation of several wizards, use of magical items, etc.
@@Lotuswalker I think the trace would be cast on either the mother before the child was born or on the baby itself.
I see where you're going with the jinx being placed on the item and the only thing I can possibly fathom would be Rowena ravenclaws tiara that's still stored in the school all the way to the end.
@@jxdet6072 Or possibly on the castle itself. What if the room was jinxed and nobody could teach in it for more than a year.
I always assumed that Voldemort didn’t actively jinx the position but the jinx manifested.
Like when Harry blew up his aunt, I think even adult wizards can’t completely stop emotional magic. And Voldemort was so enraged at not getting the position that even with his intention being to hide a Horcrux and move on to bigger tasks than teaching- the part of him that was sentimental enough to have feelings for the school actually manifested the curse subconsciously
Agreed. Lupin was the best
On that moment of time Harry was voldemort, for a part. And I think that that make him ondefeatebol against this curse.
I also think he put that curse so the future generations won't have a good education in defense.
I’ve long since given up trying to apply any sort of logic to how any of the “magic” in Harry Potter works. It’s flat out impossible to try and think about how a job can be “jinxed” in any logical or scientific sense.
Muggle
The magic seems to work along the ways of science. They're constantly learning on top of creating. Possibly not even creating just discovering the means to create. Like Severus Snape and is Half-Blood Prince spells. He didn't necessarily create them, but he did discover them. Which leaves nearly infinite possibilities regarding magic. It's like a blueprint and that's kind of how I've established how Magic works. First you have to be a proper conduit, Muggles are not proper conduits so that's why they can't perform magic, then you have to have the proper knowledge of the basic principles to perform it efficiently. From there your imagination and willingness to attempt things be they good or bad leads the way to the aptitude and perceived greatness of who is performing the magic.
A job can be jinxed because it's altering the Fate around the subject. It might even be a jinx on the classroom and not necessarily the subject.
@@idcyco3623 I am of the opinion that it is the diadem's "defence" or ability if you will that causes the jinx and that it was broken when the diadem died not before voldemort died, but how would we know? Their is also different ways in which magic is presented and used such as naturally accuring as a method of hunting or defense in magical creatures and the methods of house elves and goblins
@@alastorclark3492 in witches and wizards magic is natural to a point. They have to use all sorts of other things to enhance that magic. And as other species are more tuned to it, they have very powerful magic despite having no enhancements.
@@idcyco3623 A wand does indeed enhance magic and do more specific directed magic, but i didnt mention them as they are not producing the magic just directing it. This is most similar to goblins whos magic is imbued into the things they craft. Its why i believe they covit wandlore so much.
I don't think it was ever explicitly stated but my head canon is that Dumbledore only recruited Lupin in year three specifically because Sirius had escaped and he knew he may come for Harry. Dumbledore likely had a different candidate in mind had Sirius not escaped.
Could the curriculum be changed a bit and then call it something else? Is the jinx specifically DADA prof?
I also thought the curse was to cause some chaos in this subject. You mentioned how it affected teaching the subject - long term plan to weaken wizards who might oppose him.
You know, in an odd way the curse tells us that Umbridge actually was trying to teach the subject as she saw it. The curse would presumably not target someone who took the job with no intention to fulfill it. In the same way, it picked up on Harry wanting and taking steps to teach it, so it hit him.
The carrows didn't teach defence against the dark arts, it was literally just the dark arts. I don't see this one counting. Plus they were put there by old voldy himself
To be fair, Voldemort doesn't exactly *truly* care about any of his followers. Dumbledore himself said that he's incapable of such emotions as love or compassion. So......I wouldn't put it past him to put them in that post, knowing that some doom awaited them at year's end, so long as they lived to serve their purpose in that time!
After all......He sent Barty, "his most faithful servant" to impersonate Moody and be the intern DATDA teacher, and we all know how well that went for him....If he did it to his most faithful servant, he'd do it to anyone!
It definitely counts. The position still existed the subject matter was just changed.
I read that while attending Hogwarts, Lockhart found Tom Riddle's notes on creating the Dark Mark spell from when he was a student. And after tweaking it, he used it to plaster a giant picture of his face in the sky above Hogwarts. Its probably not canon, but it needs to be.
Ahh I like that how you the curse was lifted because he could no longer take the position. Not soley because he was dead.
Everytime I see the Pic of that teen Tom Riddle from Half Blood Prince, I just seethe. A testament to that young actor. He's phenomenal and underappreciated.
Snape was a good guy turned bad guy because of his bullying at the hands of the Marauders, which eventually led him to the two biggest mistakes of his life, first to push away Lily Evans and then to join up with Tom Riddle and his little gang. Then he did a heel face turn after Voldemort killed Lily, and his only condition for turning double and then later lying about turning triple agent was that Dumbledore never reveal to anyone the one good decision that he actually made in his life.
I guess he was actually the only one who ultimately proved strong enough to overcome his own fears, since he's the one to reveal to Harry the secret of his allegiance.
Yo Harry Potter Theory Please Do What If Voldemort Never Existed or at Least Never Became Evil?
Regarding your list of Umbridge's fears "...the fear of anything she considered chaotic or outside her authority." Frankly *any* teaching post would have forced her to confront that, at least while Fred and George were still at the school.
Dolores got off east since they removed the Dementors from Azkaban.
This may have been the pettiest thing Voldemort he has done
There was one more being who has in the profesors position, voldermont during fist year, whose greatest fear is dying (or losing again to Potter) almost dies again to Potter
Imagine if upon overthrowing the ministry and taking over Hogwarts, Voldemort went and started teaching DADA classes.