If Wizards of the Coast ever made a remake of the Arabian Nights set, they should have Shahrazad be a Planeswalker and have the sub game thing as a final ability.
@@thiccupcake you pause the game your playing and take your libraries from that game. Use those as decks for a second magic the gathering game. When your done, return to the first game. Whoever lost that second game loses half their life total.
@@TMtheScratcher "With your current libraries as decks, play a secondary subgame of Magic. At the end of the game the original match resumes, and the subgame loser suffers the loss of half of their current life, which cannot be blocked by any means." could prob comfortably fit another 2 abilities at least
Funny thing about the rulings on this card. When in a subgame, anything that's in the original game is treated as being outside the game, because the current game still counts as "the game." So, cards like Pull from Eternity can legally target Shahrazad. And Pull is better than the Ring of Ma'ruf because the Ring exiles itself after use, while Pull just puts itself in the graveyard. Paired with some infinite form of graveyard recursion like an Elixir of Immortality, in this manner it is possible not only to create subgames within subgames, but to create infinite subgame chains. You don't even need more than one shahrazad in a deck to pull off infinite subgames/inceptions if you can get the lucky draws. Running 4 just makes it easier to consistently hit. Now, we're not even taking into account synergy cards like Panoptic Mirror, which can exile shahrazad with an imprint and be cast for free every upkeep within a given game. Of course, a card exiled or removed from the game on an imprint isn't treated like an AWOL. No matter how many subgames deep you are, no matter how far back a shahrazad might be, it can still be removed from whatever game it was in and be transferred to the current game iteration. If it ever did return to the original game, of course, then it would no longer be imprinted, so it would need to be re-imprinted for the effect. This effect can be further complicated with a Strionic Resonator for the Panoptic Mirror, as can Paradox Haze. Already, there is much degeneracy that can be obtained if your objective is to make your opponent forfeit from madness or boredom. But, what if that's not enough? How ought we abuse this further? ...So, the loser of a subgame is forced to take damage equal to half their life total, rounded up, and this damage can't be prevented. Okay. But, suppose we have in play the Soulfire Grandmaster from the Jeskai block in play when we cast Shahrazad. She has the ability to recur instants and sorceries so that they return to hand after use instead of going to the grave -- and instants and sorceries you control gain Lifelink. Furthermore, if Shahrazad actually resolves, due to the way the Stack works, the damage taken from losing a subgame isn't a trigger but a state base. So there's no way to Stifle it. This means, with the Grandmaster, that you have virtually no risk of death. Any damage dealt to you from Shahrazad you heal right back in the eventuality you lose, and you gain half your opponent's life should you win. Add a life doubler to the field beforehand like Boon Reflection, and do this, and Shahrazad basically reads as "WW: Gain life equal to half a player's life total. If that player is your opponent, they also lose half their life." Pair both these things with a damage doubler like Furnace of Rath or a Wound Reflection or Sanguine Bond type of thing -- Sanguine bond would probably be better if your life total is greater than or equal to your opponent at any given point -- and then Shahrazad reads as "WW: You win the game"... See, because Sanguine Bond makes your opponent lose life whenever you gain life, and with a life doubler, and Soulfire Grandmaster... Half a player's life, doubled, is a full player's life. If you win the subgame, you gain life equal to your opponent's life total, and they take damage equal to half their life total plus lose an additional life total. If you lose the subgame, you gain life equal to half your life total, then your opponent loses that much. Which could still wind up killing him. How degenerate is that? ... But wait, there's more! Platinum Emperion will make your life total not change in the event that you lose a subgame, enabling you to keep going without penalty when you lose. Drag things out longer with alternate win conditions and stalls -- with a Lich or Phyrexian Unlife in play your life total becomes Zero, and half of zero is still zero. So you can lose subgames with zero penalties this way as well, utilizing cards that keep you alive at 0 life. ... The list goes on and on. Strats for winning battles in general to ensure wingame while expanding on the exile/within subgame feels... Food Chain + Misthollow Griffin could work, utilizing the griffin from other subgames and etb trigger abuse... There's just so many ways to abuse this card!
Also what happens when you purposely lose a sub game to lose life and then the loss of life affects your opponent multiple times as per effect. Loss of life can be a tool to deal damage to your opponents.
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The thing about the time of Shaharazad’s printing with no “four copy limit” you could theoretically run a deck of nothing but mox pearls and shaharazad to trap your opponent in a never ending fractal nightmare of sub games until they either rage quit or just gave up out of desperation for the nightmare to end. It’s a truly frightening thing to even think about.
Actually, no. All you would do if someone played a deck of nothing but mox/plains and Shaharazad is just _let them play it._ Eventually, at a deep enough level of recursion, they just run out of cards in their library and lose the subgame. At some point, they have to return to the main game, and all they're ever going to have is Shaharazad, so they'll just lose to literally any damage source you can field.
@@wasd____ but the same holds true for the opponent as well. Diving deep enough into sub games would cause both players to immediately deck themselves out causing a draw in the sub game and returning to the previous level of sub game at which point the player using the fractal nightmare sub game deck just has to keep casting the spell at that level to prevent both players from ever returning to the main game.
@@InfernoDragon1 It doesn't matter. Shaharazad can't bring you below 1 life in the outmost game because the effect rounds down the loss of life. It can never win the game by itself for the person using it. As long as you have any way of dealing damage, you win against that deck.
This card makes you win the game whether you lose or not. That's basically how it works its a sub game card meaning you leave everything in play that's already in play and force opponents to play their remaining cards to determine a winner. But it also says there must be a loser, that's where shenanigans meet the context that if a player loses they must lose half of their life points which can be translated as direct damage. Direct damage from spells can be paired with lifelink which also means if you do this damage to yourself it triggers lifelink. You may think this is crazy but at this point your life total is falling then rising like stock and everytime it rises it triggers another effect that causes damage so therefore with the effect of not losing the game for having zero life(real) you can effectively deal the maximum damage required to bring your opponents life total to zero. Also real it can be played again in a subgame creating the effect again without ever there being an end to the actual game. So therefore it creates an opportunity to win the game without actually there being a chance of losing. The effect of losing being negated entirely until your game comes to an end declaring the winner as whoever didn't lose their life or declared a win condition.
Shahrazad didnt betray the king. He was an evil king who killed one girl every night and Shahrazad evaded such a fate by telling him stories every night
Much like the story of the arabian nights itself, the history of the text is quite recursive. One version might have her betraying the king, i wouldn't try to make any definitive statements about the story.
lmao... "$40 for a used one or more for a Near Mint Copy" if they only knew what the reserved list would become in 2021... A NM/LP copy will run you $500+ now...
Speaking as someone who totally does not write under the pseudonym Scherazade and totally is not inspired by the character who spun tales to keep herself alive, good video!
The music is made by a friend of ours, who has the rights of the music outside this video. So far he hasn't uploaded it anywhere, so there is unfortunately nowhere we can link to :/ Will try to remember to link here if it comes up, if not it will probably be shared on our twitter and tumblr (which you can find in the video description).
I know that this video hasn't gotten the love it deserves, but maybe this comment will stand out a bit more because of that. Anyways, what do you think of this theory? Shaharazad is still telling the story of every magic set, but because she's running out of stories, she's panicking and smashing characters into different stories in a desperate attempt to save herself.
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If Wizards of the Coast ever made a remake of the Arabian Nights set, they should have Shahrazad be a Planeswalker and have the sub game thing as a final ability.
As a MtG player new to the game I find this effect really confusing. I didnt get a single word of what if tries to say
@@thiccupcake you pause the game your playing and take your libraries from that game. Use those as decks for a second magic the gathering game. When your done, return to the first game. Whoever lost that second game loses half their life total.
would be a very small font size though if you wanto also at least another ability for that card
@@TMtheScratcher "With your current libraries as decks, play a secondary subgame of Magic. At the end of the game the original match resumes, and the subgame loser suffers the loss of half of their current life, which cannot be blocked by any means."
could prob comfortably fit another 2 abilities at least
Funny thing about the rulings on this card. When in a subgame, anything that's in the original game is treated as being outside the game, because the current game still counts as "the game." So, cards like Pull from Eternity can legally target Shahrazad. And Pull is better than the Ring of Ma'ruf because the Ring exiles itself after use, while Pull just puts itself in the graveyard. Paired with some infinite form of graveyard recursion like an Elixir of Immortality, in this manner it is possible not only to create subgames within subgames, but to create infinite subgame chains. You don't even need more than one shahrazad in a deck to pull off infinite subgames/inceptions if you can get the lucky draws. Running 4 just makes it easier to consistently hit.
Now, we're not even taking into account synergy cards like Panoptic Mirror, which can exile shahrazad with an imprint and be cast for free every upkeep within a given game. Of course, a card exiled or removed from the game on an imprint isn't treated like an AWOL. No matter how many subgames deep you are, no matter how far back a shahrazad might be, it can still be removed from whatever game it was in and be transferred to the current game iteration. If it ever did return to the original game, of course, then it would no longer be imprinted, so it would need to be re-imprinted for the effect.
This effect can be further complicated with a Strionic Resonator for the Panoptic Mirror, as can Paradox Haze. Already, there is much degeneracy that can be obtained if your objective is to make your opponent forfeit from madness or boredom. But, what if that's not enough? How ought we abuse this further?
...So, the loser of a subgame is forced to take damage equal to half their life total, rounded up, and this damage can't be prevented. Okay. But, suppose we have in play the Soulfire Grandmaster from the Jeskai block in play when we cast Shahrazad. She has the ability to recur instants and sorceries so that they return to hand after use instead of going to the grave -- and instants and sorceries you control gain Lifelink. Furthermore, if Shahrazad actually resolves, due to the way the Stack works, the damage taken from losing a subgame isn't a trigger but a state base. So there's no way to Stifle it. This means, with the Grandmaster, that you have virtually no risk of death. Any damage dealt to you from Shahrazad you heal right back in the eventuality you lose, and you gain half your opponent's life should you win. Add a life doubler to the field beforehand like Boon Reflection, and do this, and Shahrazad basically reads as "WW: Gain life equal to half a player's life total. If that player is your opponent, they also lose half their life." Pair both these things with a damage doubler like Furnace of Rath or a Wound Reflection or Sanguine Bond type of thing -- Sanguine bond would probably be better if your life total is greater than or equal to your opponent at any given point -- and then Shahrazad reads as "WW: You win the game"...
See, because Sanguine Bond makes your opponent lose life whenever you gain life, and with a life doubler, and Soulfire Grandmaster... Half a player's life, doubled, is a full player's life. If you win the subgame, you gain life equal to your opponent's life total, and they take damage equal to half their life total plus lose an additional life total. If you lose the subgame, you gain life equal to half your life total, then your opponent loses that much. Which could still wind up killing him.
How degenerate is that? ... But wait, there's more! Platinum Emperion will make your life total not change in the event that you lose a subgame, enabling you to keep going without penalty when you lose. Drag things out longer with alternate win conditions and stalls -- with a Lich or Phyrexian Unlife in play your life total becomes Zero, and half of zero is still zero. So you can lose subgames with zero penalties this way as well, utilizing cards that keep you alive at 0 life.
... The list goes on and on. Strats for winning battles in general to ensure wingame while expanding on the exile/within subgame feels... Food Chain + Misthollow Griffin could work, utilizing the griffin from other subgames and etb trigger abuse... There's just so many ways to abuse this card!
Wow thanks for the great explanation!
This is some Yu Gi Oh lvl of asspull mindgame bullshit like what the fuck how cancer is this
dude wtf lol
Also what happens when you purposely lose a sub game to lose life and then the loss of life affects your opponent multiple times as per effect. Loss of life can be a tool to deal damage to your opponents.
Shahrazad's face be like: Yo dawg, I heard you like games.
You did a fantastic job of structuring the story of this card like a story within a story
I know nobody would play this, but imagine if someone played splendid Genesis during a sub game
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The thing about the time of Shaharazad’s printing with no “four copy limit” you could theoretically run a deck of nothing but mox pearls and shaharazad to trap your opponent in a never ending fractal nightmare of sub games until they either rage quit or just gave up out of desperation for the nightmare to end. It’s a truly frightening thing to even think about.
That's just mean.
That's combining the rack and black vice mean
Actually, no. All you would do if someone played a deck of nothing but mox/plains and Shaharazad is just _let them play it._
Eventually, at a deep enough level of recursion, they just run out of cards in their library and lose the subgame.
At some point, they have to return to the main game, and all they're ever going to have is Shaharazad, so they'll just lose to literally any damage source you can field.
@@wasd____ but the same holds true for the opponent as well. Diving deep enough into sub games would cause both players to immediately deck themselves out causing a draw in the sub game and returning to the previous level of sub game at which point the player using the fractal nightmare sub game deck just has to keep casting the spell at that level to prevent both players from ever returning to the main game.
@@InfernoDragon1 It doesn't matter.
Shaharazad can't bring you below 1 life in the outmost game because the effect rounds down the loss of life. It can never win the game by itself for the person using it.
As long as you have any way of dealing damage, you win against that deck.
I looked up the name of our horse and the internet brought me here. Now I'm in a rabbit hole learning about this game.👍
This card makes you win the game whether you lose or not. That's basically how it works its a sub game card meaning you leave everything in play that's already in play and force opponents to play their remaining cards to determine a winner. But it also says there must be a loser, that's where shenanigans meet the context that if a player loses they must lose half of their life points which can be translated as direct damage. Direct damage from spells can be paired with lifelink which also means if you do this damage to yourself it triggers lifelink. You may think this is crazy but at this point your life total is falling then rising like stock and everytime it rises it triggers another effect that causes damage so therefore with the effect of not losing the game for having zero life(real) you can effectively deal the maximum damage required to bring your opponents life total to zero. Also real it can be played again in a subgame creating the effect again without ever there being an end to the actual game. So therefore it creates an opportunity to win the game without actually there being a chance of losing. The effect of losing being negated entirely until your game comes to an end declaring the winner as whoever didn't lose their life or declared a win condition.
It means how ever many times you beat them they will always win thus creating an ultimatum in a card game about strategy.
5:19 Small correction here: Outside of Ante cards AND Dexterity cards, namely Falling Star and Chaos Orb.
I am Persian and my name is Shahrzad. In Persian this name shortened a bit. My arabian friends call me Shehrazad!
Hey! I’m Shahrzad too!🙋🏻♀️😄
Shahrazad didnt betray the king. He was an evil king who killed one girl every night and Shahrazad evaded such a fate by telling him stories every night
Much like the story of the arabian nights itself, the history of the text is quite recursive. One version might have her betraying the king, i wouldn't try to make any definitive statements about the story.
*sees there's a Magic card with my name on it*
The second line in "Friend Like Me" from Aladdin makes much more sense.
This channel is more diverse then I expected. liking it so far. Reading cool stories from the net?
+marsgreekgod Yepp :)
lmao... "$40 for a used one or more for a Near Mint Copy" if they only knew what the reserved list would become in 2021... A NM/LP copy will run you $500+ now...
It's the favourite card I own.
Speaking as someone who totally does not write under the pseudonym Scherazade and totally is not inspired by the character who spun tales to keep herself alive, good video!
Could you please give me a link to the channel the music came from?
The music is made by a friend of ours, who has the rights of the music outside this video. So far he hasn't uploaded it anywhere, so there is unfortunately nowhere we can link to :/
Will try to remember to link here if it comes up, if not it will probably be shared on our twitter and tumblr (which you can find in the video description).
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i already found it, thank you.
+Cry ha really? was he just BS-ing with the whole "it's made by a friend" story?
@@maurice4348 What? No.. I made this shit :S
well i dont know if double white mana is the perfect colour for it making it more balanced, would love to see it come to 1 no reason it cant come to 1
Great video!
great content!
Why is it all the fun cards are always banned.
So if your opponents win you lose half your life but what happens when if you lose life your opponent loses double?
I know that this video hasn't gotten the love it deserves, but maybe this comment will stand out a bit more because of that.
Anyways, what do you think of this theory? Shaharazad is still telling the story of every magic set, but because she's running out of stories, she's panicking and smashing characters into different stories in a desperate attempt to save herself.
It is up to 150€ now btw.
I'd love to do this and play forever until they got pissed off
Art cartoonish? I would have killed to have such images again in MTG! Now it all looks the same.. Its not 'Art' anymore - its regular art..meh
"allahu akbar. all cards destroyed on field"
Oh if only it was still $40 :(
Shahrazad is expensive at 40 dollars lol
so what's the aim of this channel? Edgardo, Shahrazad then what? What can we expect?
+TheMakator the preview image of the next post almost looks like... pokemon?
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