We'll continue to post these episodes here on UA-cam. If you can't wait for the rest of the build, visit our site to binge-watch: www.powernationtv.com/shows/engine-power
Man o' man I'd love that in my '91 Fox. With my poor driving skills and ancient, rock hard tires, just think of the crowds I'd terrorize at my local Cars 'n Coffee!.
Andrew Gallagher A hater will hate. And a dolt will stink. Perhaps you should do a show? You may want to tighten up your spelling and grammar before you have a go. It is quite infantile.
Johnathan Bachman , he was making light of the fact that this is a Summit advertisement. And your amateur psychological analysis shows that you go off half cocked and type before you think, and if you have the ability to reason?, do you?
older than you Cali Well Sir you have left no Doubt your I.Q. is between a rock and a plant. Sponsors, advertising and parts donation is why these programs are on television. If you or the other mental heavyweights do not like it turn it off or don’t watch. Posting your adolescent ignorance just proves you have no clue and enjoy trolling. The question good Sir is why would you leave no question your dealing with bad Meth habit. You post’s are seriously ignorant. Before you make anymore posts get your G.E.D. Ask your cell block officer how this can be accomplished.
stock Chevy blows apart at 300 hp so im guessing old Fords are good for 500 or so considering there;s nearly double the bolts on Ford...my old S10 with a mild 305 with about 275 hp used to eat oil pan gaskets
Uncle Tony's Garage and Nick's Garage for the old Mopars. Nick's garage will have more of a mix of muscle from all makes. Tony will surprise with something GM or Ford here and there. Both excellent channels. Ford guy but I watch other builds. Really got a kick out of Cleetus getting 1070 out of a GT500 engine. The Chevy engine I want to see is the 90-95 C4 ZR1 Lotus/Mercury engine in some kind of project. Someone had to have wrecked one. 375-425 NA
The cracks in the stock blocks actually develop opposite from what he said. They start at the mains and work up to the valleys before performing an impression of a banana split. Thats why the valley girdles developed for these blocks don't do jack.
@@88_turbo_fox73 the average person can afford a lot of nice things if you have a decent job and don't saddle yourself with bad debt and other bad life choices.
Anthony Thomas my 93 now has 436hp* not 446hp on the dyno and 347hp at the wheels dynod. She’s a fun car can only imagine what 1,000hp on the dyno would be in a 3k pound car lol. I have every maximum Motorsports mid available now and she handles awesome. Would love to see how one of these Foxbody cars would do with this suspension work and that power. Super nice engine there
The scariest thing I've ever been in is an early 90's full cage mustang with a "twin" turbo 347. That thing put 1100 to the wheels on a bad day and I'm lucky to be here to tell you that kind of power has no place on the street! That car was just plain stupid powerful and ran 8.50's in the 1/4 mile. I can't remember the MPH, I just remember my fear factor every-time I got into that thing.... That car honestly scared the hell out of me!
600hp to the wheels in a fox body is rowdy on the street, assuming it still retains the chassis & suspension to be a nice driver and isn't predominantly a cantankerous track car. Such a setup on 295 drag radials won't hook up on every pavement surface until up into 3rd gear (3.73 rear gears). I think a lot of guys theorize and imagine how much excess they need and get carried away. Above the level I described, a 3200lbs Fox is really beginning to try to hurt you if some wise restraint isn't exercised. Busting tires loose at 60 mph can go bad really quickly
@@Resistculturaldecline: I don't remember the exact tire anymore, but skinnies up front and 10" in the rear. It was a built car, full cage, K member, frame connected, QA1 coilovers, ect. But yes, 3rd gear 60mph that thing just loved to go sideways! On the strip it would leave on 2 wheels, but on the street it always seemed like it was wearing 2 pairs of roller skates. It was a cool car, just friggin scary.
@@Finite-Tuning Sounds like probably a 275 tire, which isn't even beginning to hold back 1000+ hp, not even close. Like putting a bicycle tire on the rear of a Japanese sport bike
@@downhilldaddy9346 I agree they could have turned it up to 50 psi and made 1000 hp but I was just poking fun at the show for making such a bold claim at the beginning and not delivering. Cheers!
Ahhh I just got hooked watching these this morning and realized this one was only posted an hour ago! Now I have to wait to see big boost!!!! Great job guys!!
I don't know why but it is satisfying when the biggest displacement is shoved in to the smallest footprint. 347 Windsor, 572 Big Block, 427 Small Block etc. Seems like the best use of real estate to me. Like a Tinyhome for a family 🤣
@@terrybaptist795 You can do it with a Ford Boss block too. Speed cost money that is not the time to cut corners. 300 hp N/A is plenty on the street. That said if you want to play in the big kids pool you better bring 500+ for 4 cylinders and 1000+ for V8's and larger, just the nature of things.
It would have been interesting to see how the manifold modified for efi and the throttle body worked on the first black and blue build before swapping to the Dart block and adding boost.
Nice little 347💯 I’ve got a 438 with high compression that ran Nitrous on but... we changed over to turbos and the power curve is AWESOME💯 Had to change fuel to Alcohol and change the cam and a little thicker head gasket but the little SBF makes nearly 2500 at the flywheel, so I’m happy with that💯
The one single that I love about my V8 Henry's is that the first rebuild is on ford, due to the gudgeon pin offset the factory built into those magnificent motors. This offset allows for the pistons dwell point can be moved from after 0 degrees crank relative position, to a few degrees before 0 degrees indicated. This started the power stroke early also apearing to be a buffer to pingings negative effects whilst utilising the violent increase in combustion chamber pressure as an increase in total torque production . Camshaft valve timing events require recalculation due to change in piston dwell.
Another combo probably worth noting being a dart block was sourced out is the use of the 4.125" bore block with the same deck height as this one and the use of a 3.250" crank coming out to the same ci at 347. Being the engine is an air pump getting airflow in and out of the engine is paramount. By using the bigger bore block you can utilize a bigger valve in the head making for easier airflow for the turbo to build HP. The shorter stroke makes high-rpm easier to get a better HP number up high. With the top-notch valve train components used in this engine, high-rpm, excluding the cam and rollers this motor should make it's goal of 1200-1250 HP at the crank.
4.125" bore block with a 3.250" stroke and a 5.40" rod length as a lot less rod angle also. Less piston to cylinder wall wear. A lot better way of getting the same cubic inches out of a 8.20" deck height 302 block. And it pretty much cost the same.
STREET RACER you are pretty dumb seems to me your a ford hatter and a Chevy fan boy so stick with your shit box Chevy and I’ll stick with my non bankrupt ford power and btw my truck has 447,558 miles on my 1998 Ford F-250 with 5.8 and never been rebuilt and let’s not forget same transmission as well but ford sucks haha get a life Chevy fan boy
Love the videos. Great information, details, tips and helpful. NOTE: this is not stage 3 of an engine build. Quote,"That means we're gonna have to change some parts but the majority of them are gonna stay". ....Define majority please. That would require 'at least' retaining the block. Fun to watch regardless
Glad to see this goin into Pats car. That motor will do 150k miles before it'll ever need a freshen up. Great foundation all in all. Look forward to the install and tune vids
What about the Kaase P38 heads? They have canted valves like a Cleveland for better breathing and use standard manifolds to make it easy to find the right intake and headers for your build. I'm looking at those for my project car, if I can get it off the ground! And I like the adjustability of the boost! Mount something on the dash and.....
Richard Holdener disproved the "302 falls apart at 600hp" myth with many power adder combinations. Turbos, two types of superchargers, and nitrous were used and al combos made over 600 crank hp with multiple pulls.
It happens over time. If all it jad to make is a few dyno pulls, it'll be fine. Do it every weekend, see how long it lasts. I have taken stock blocks of many different brands, and pushed limits passed what iy should handle, and they live. But they arw grudge engines and not bracket engines. Also, you can't compare engine stress from power with a turbo to nitrous or N/A.. not the same. Turbos are very easy on parts... And lastly, promoting a magazine tech editor on how you should build an engine isn't wise lol. Just sayin'..
My mother is friends with a mechanic who used to be a big time drag racer, and he still has his foxbody Mustang which has a twin turbo 347 making 1,450hp.
Back in 1983, I had a Boss 351 that had around 425 HP and spun a clean 8,200 RPMs. Could you build a Cleveland style engine with same style heads, same bore and stroke, and similar compression of 11.7:1, but no less that 11:1 putting out 500 HP and spinning a clean 8,200 RPMs for a canyon running engine that would rival a Ferrari V12? Naturally aspirated, but could have a fuel injection system without rails.
Douglas Hine There is no way a Cleveland would spin at 8200 rpm without serious mods. Those heads won't fit on a Cleveland. I had a built Boss 302 that wouldn't spin that high. I suggest you go back and watch Sesame Street
This 347 has been a bombass build. Really good numbers and safe tunes mean no blown up engine. That is avoidable. This is mart engine building here ladies and gents. Stay safe mates!😊👍🏻😷
To leave those "gorilla glob" welds on that intake is a travesty. I'm all for helping the younger fellas (if you can find one that will actually work) learn and I certainly don't mind sharing knowledge and experience; BUT don't leave those welds like that! What you lack in welding ability, at least make up for it with grinding skills........ Good day
@@bryanroupe8646 Block, lifters, pushrods, head bolts..and on and on.. Realistically speaking they've got 15 or 20k worth of new turbo engine, and less than four grand of it is "old" parts..
High Compression is not always the answer with boost. Too much compression has diminishing returns. It depends on the boost level. Since this is an N/A engine originally you will benefit more from a drop in static ratio than an increase. This keeps the need for higher and higher octane fuels in-check as well.
This engine has 2019 spec alloy heads and pistons in it. Im 100% sure itll handle 10.0:1 or more on pump gas and turn 1k with far less boost than they are going to need with 8.8:1. I would understand if they were using factory original type pistons and cast iron heads but the alloys suck heat from the chamber.
Why? With a street car it needs to idle and be able to run in variable rpms just like stop and go traffic. In the dyno cell its wide open throttle to 6k then back to idle. On the street it's a different story. Personally, I dont like sitting at idle on the street at around 215 degrees on the coolant temp. After 215 degrees you start cooking oil. That's spells doom for a turbo when the oil starts to get above 225 degrees.
I'd say around 15-16 psi. My guess is they'll really hammer it on the chassis dyno with electronic boost control inside the Holley EFI system. 700+ on the wastegate is very good.
These guys need to watch Richard Holder's videos, he says build a good N/A motor then add boost, boost works no matter, I would of made it 10 to 1 then boost
if they had just replaced the block and added turbos it would have been a better build for sure. the new cam is very mild and it seems that they were only making 354 ft*lbs and 364 HP na with this combination.
Plug the oil drain holes over the cam. Increase the drains front and rear with mesh screens to catch valve train crash. That will decrease windage as well as stiffening the block
That 118 lsa and low compression is hurting the peak numbers. Both old school theories. At 10lbs of boost it barely made more power than the N/A version.
Here I am running a measly 2.3 litre 131 ci straight 4 at 650 whp @ 6500 rpm with stock head, this is not crank but to the wheel, 9.5:1 cr, gtx 35 r at 22lbs on 92 octane with methanol injection on a bone stock block with forged rotating assembly.....surprised a stock 302 block can’t handle those numbers, makes me feel a little concerned.
@POWERNATION want to point out you adding to the 600hp cracked block myth. I won't deny that the block will crack but it is not associated to a specific hp mark it is due to the internal harmonics of the block. By having the block and rotating assembly Professionally balanced plus running tune to keep the RPM'S low the stock 302 block can see around and over 800hp reliably.
Wish you guys would have started with original displacement as stage 1 and just did heads and cam and then stage 2 as stroker, heads and cam and then up from there.
Don't think about it like that. Whatever power you engine makes NA, adding boost just makes more power to that combo. 300hp NA engine makes about 600hp at 15psi with proper tuning.
I would use Pennzoil 1000 times before I would use the royal purple junk they normally use. Still I wouldn't use ether one of them. Who knows maybe this new version of Pennzoil I the cats meow.
Not the biggest Pennzoil fan my self, But we just retired my uncles 1994 Olds Cutlass with 475k on the clock. He only used 10w40 Pennzoil conventional from day one.
The tiny ports on the heads make it so they have to run higher boost to achieve lower hp numbers. Larger ports flow better and require less boost to make hp do to a cooler denser charge.
We'll continue to post these episodes here on UA-cam. If you can't wait for the rest of the build, visit our site to binge-watch: www.powernationtv.com/shows/engine-power
Build a boosted 434ci SBC with EFI just like this Ford build but try to get to 1500+hp
PowerNation *_I AM EMBARRASSED BY THIS SHOW!!!!_*
PowerNation *_Guys put the compresson around 12 to 13 to one then.boost the hell out of it.... 1000 hp first pull!!!_*
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Big fun stuff...Thanks a bunch...!
4:20 the crank looks scratched all to hell.
Small wear marks
Once i found a pen in the lifter valley of a 305 chevy, pretty sure Pat worked on the motor after finding that.
best comment of the month.
Lol!
Left his calling card behind!
Man o' man I'd love that in my '91 Fox. With my poor driving skills and ancient, rock hard tires, just think of the crowds I'd terrorize at my local Cars 'n Coffee!.
tmmurphy you would be a legend
@@LA_Commander can you fit that same block in a fox with small hood scoop
Good one!
👎🏾
Not only from hitting crowds but blown tires from the 2-3 shift at 7500rpm
Yeh baby ARP bolts to bolt down that oil pan. She won't blow off now
Andrew Gallagher A hater will hate. And a dolt will stink. Perhaps you should do a show? You may want to tighten up your spelling and grammar before you have a go. It is quite infantile.
Johnathan Bachman , he was making light of the fact that this is a Summit advertisement. And your amateur psychological analysis shows that you go off half cocked and type before you think, and if you have the ability to reason?, do you?
older than you Cali Well Sir you have left no Doubt your I.Q. is between a rock and a plant. Sponsors, advertising and parts donation is why these programs are on television. If you or the other mental heavyweights do not like it turn it off or don’t watch. Posting your adolescent ignorance just proves you have no clue and enjoy trolling. The question good Sir is why would you leave no question your dealing with bad Meth habit. You post’s are seriously ignorant. Before you make anymore posts get your G.E.D. Ask your cell block officer how this can be accomplished.
stock Chevy blows apart at 300 hp so im guessing old Fords are good for 500 or so considering there;s nearly double the bolts on Ford...my old S10 with a mild 305 with about 275 hp used to eat oil pan gaskets
Andrew Gallagher Exactly, I never could figure that one out.
That’s a stout package 📦 great job!! That 5.0 & 5.8 Litre were the motor to have in the 90’s and still today 💯🥇❤️❤️❤️
I'm a Chevy guy and I like this episodes where they build Fords and Mopars, something new to learn
i like watching chev builds to and im a ford man
I'm a Mopar guy and I like watching Mopar builds so I can someday figure out how the actual fuck they work...
Uncle Tony's Garage and Nick's Garage for the old Mopars. Nick's garage will have more of a mix of muscle from all makes. Tony will surprise with something GM or Ford here and there. Both excellent channels. Ford guy but I watch other builds. Really got a kick out of Cleetus getting 1070 out of a GT500 engine. The Chevy engine I want to see is the 90-95 C4 ZR1 Lotus/Mercury engine in some kind of project. Someone had to have wrecked one. 375-425 NA
Yes...come to the dark side!!! Good....Goood!!!
@@pagosplace3065 We have milk n cookies!!
Street-able to me means it starts and runs
Low expectations?
Shouldn’t you be watching makeup vids
Nathan Nicholas Garcia 52 Performance Fishing If I should be watching makeup vids this means you should be watching gay porn. 🙄😐
Ahhhhhh, you roasting em. You like the strokers. Lol jk 😂
@@chloehennessey6813 oh lawd, I literally spit my drink all over my desk hahahahahah
You guys doing this show again is the best present anyone could want! Thanks guys!!
The cracks in the stock blocks actually develop opposite from what he said. They start at the mains and work up to the valleys before performing an impression of a banana split. Thats why the valley girdles developed for these blocks don't do jack.
WTH, So basically stage 3 is a new engine around a turbo?
The rods , crank , and heads were reused . Lol
Yup.. and that turbo system is around 6I, so much for the average guy doing this
@@88_turbo_fox73 the average person can afford a lot of nice things if you have a decent job and don't saddle yourself with bad debt and other bad life choices.
@@bmstylee like a wife
@@3rd-eye-neenja563 That. Or a divorce with alimony and child support. As a guy you generally are going to get screwed on that front.
I’d die for this engine in my 93 mustang. Serious power in the engine. Sounds so smooth too.
Start saving pennies. You can build up to 500whp on the stock 5.0 block, you'll crack it higher than that.
REF III I agree😂 I would’ve loved to have a motor like this in my 86 and would love to put one in my 93 now lol
Anthony Thomas my 93 now has 436hp* not 446hp on the dyno and 347hp at the wheels dynod. She’s a fun car can only imagine what 1,000hp on the dyno would be in a 3k pound car lol. I have every maximum Motorsports mid available now and she handles awesome. Would love to see how one of these Foxbody cars would do with this suspension work and that power. Super nice engine there
Garrettrocks98 that drive accessory kit 😍. This is a sick set up
REF III I agree! I said the same thing that accessory drive is sexy!
Anyone else notice the wear on crank journal when he measured?
@Bearded Clam You caught that too
saw that clearly
micro groove oiling system
yep and would have taken 1 minute to polish out.
wow, you guys aren't kidding. its real obvious. I mean, to a good engine builder
The scariest thing I've ever been in is an early 90's full cage mustang with a "twin" turbo 347. That thing put 1100 to the wheels on a bad day and I'm lucky to be here to tell you that kind of power has no place on the street! That car was just plain stupid powerful and ran 8.50's in the 1/4 mile. I can't remember the MPH, I just remember my fear factor every-time I got into that thing.... That car honestly scared the hell out of me!
600hp to the wheels in a fox body is rowdy on the street, assuming it still retains the chassis & suspension to be a nice driver and isn't predominantly a cantankerous track car.
Such a setup on 295 drag radials won't hook up on every pavement surface until up into 3rd gear (3.73 rear gears). I think a lot of guys theorize and imagine how much excess they need and get carried away. Above the level I described, a 3200lbs Fox is really beginning to try to hurt you if some wise restraint isn't exercised. Busting tires loose at 60 mph can go bad really quickly
@@Resistculturaldecline:
I don't remember the exact tire anymore, but skinnies up front and 10" in the rear. It was a built car, full cage, K member, frame connected, QA1 coilovers, ect. But yes, 3rd gear 60mph that thing just loved to go sideways! On the strip it would leave on 2 wheels, but on the street it always seemed like it was wearing 2 pairs of roller skates. It was a cool car, just friggin scary.
@@Finite-Tuning Sounds like probably a 275 tire, which isn't even beginning to hold back 1000+ hp, not even close. Like putting a bicycle tire on the rear of a Japanese sport bike
Beginning of the show: Watch this ford small block make 1,200 HP!
End of the show: We ended up at 800, don't talk about it...
Kyle Nelson he did say make power safely. There’s no doubt that little engine could be pushed harder. 800 hp in that galaxie is more than plenty
@@downhilldaddy9346 I agree they could have turned it up to 50 psi and made 1000 hp but I was just poking fun at the show for making such a bold claim at the beginning and not delivering. Cheers!
Kyle Nelson 10-4 I wasn’t trying to be mean mate🤙🏾
Much like the bold claim of reusing the parts the already had, which then turned into just using the crank and rods
Probably has something to do with the nearly 80% I:E ratio, and then making it more like 70% with 1.6s on the exhaust.
While those oem blocks Crack at higher levels, at one stage the 302w had the lowest number of warranty claims of any ford engine.
Ahhh I just got hooked watching these this morning and realized this one was only posted an hour ago! Now I have to wait to see big boost!!!! Great job guys!!
I don't know why but it is satisfying when the biggest displacement is shoved in to the smallest footprint. 347 Windsor, 572 Big Block, 427 Small Block etc. Seems like the best use of real estate to me. Like a Tinyhome for a family 🤣
Hell thats impressive power even naturally aspirated. Awesome job guys.
I'd love to see these guys build a 7.3l diesel powerstroke. See what they can get out of it.
No more than what others are getting out of them.
There are 10 million of those videos all over the internet.
Four our five hours....
Id love to see them not build a complete turd
Nunya Bidness I know a few guys who have built their 7.3s a 6.0 is a much better platform you can achieve much higher numbers
I'll take one of those for my fox PLEASE... 😎
Living that fox life.
Must have been in your recommendations too lol. Just finished watching about your 2nd gear t5 issue earlier
Sure if you want a dart iron eagle block. Your going have to pay to play.
@@terrybaptist795 You can do it with a Ford Boss block too. Speed cost money that is not the time to cut corners. 300 hp N/A is plenty on the street. That said if you want to play in the big kids pool you better bring 500+ for 4 cylinders and 1000+ for V8's and larger, just the nature of things.
You're coyotes faster
Any part of this build that SAM was involved with, was top-notch!
It would have been interesting to see how the manifold modified for efi and the throttle body worked on the first black and blue build before swapping to the Dart block and adding boost.
Wayne C engine masters done a build on this
This is just what i need for my 1990 notchback 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾pure HP
Nice little 347💯 I’ve got a 438 with high compression that ran Nitrous on but... we changed over to turbos and the power curve is AWESOME💯 Had to change fuel to Alcohol and change the cam and a little thicker head gasket but the little SBF makes nearly 2500 at the flywheel, so I’m happy with that💯
Holy shit
I'm impressed
Good analysis and explanation of lobe separation in connection with boosted engines.
The one single that I love about my V8 Henry's is that the first rebuild is on ford, due to the gudgeon pin offset the factory built into those magnificent motors. This offset allows for the pistons dwell point can be moved from after 0 degrees crank relative position, to a few degrees before 0 degrees indicated. This started the power stroke early also apearing to be a buffer to pingings negative effects whilst utilising the violent increase in combustion chamber pressure as an increase in total torque production . Camshaft valve timing events require recalculation due to change in piston dwell.
Another combo probably worth noting being a dart block was sourced out is the use of the 4.125" bore block with the same deck height as this one and the use of a 3.250" crank coming out to the same ci at 347. Being the engine is an air pump getting airflow in and out of the engine is paramount. By using the bigger bore block you can utilize a bigger valve in the head making for easier airflow for the turbo to build HP. The shorter stroke makes high-rpm easier to get a better HP number up high. With the top-notch valve train components used in this engine, high-rpm, excluding the cam and rollers this motor should make it's goal of 1200-1250 HP at the crank.
4.125" bore block with a 3.250" stroke and a 5.40" rod length as a lot less rod angle also. Less piston to cylinder wall wear. A lot better way of getting the same cubic inches out of a 8.20" deck height 302 block. And it pretty much cost the same.
Can't wait and I love that Jones vacuum pump
Love it Ford power baby
Lol ford hater. ford first on race day
And another thing is If your going to mod your engine I’m a 100% sure everyone goes after market to make it worth your time
STREET RACER you are pretty dumb seems to me your a ford hatter and a Chevy fan boy so stick with your shit box Chevy and I’ll stick with my non bankrupt ford power and btw my truck has 447,558 miles on my 1998 Ford F-250 with 5.8 and never been rebuilt and let’s not forget same transmission as well but ford sucks haha get a life Chevy fan boy
The oil is called Platinum Plus...
Also the local strip club😂
Oil could be used there as well.
The oil is synthetic...
...as is half the girls at Platinum Plus🤘
Allentown, Pa? 🤣
South Carolina
Manuel Garza yeah man
THANK YOU SUMMIT RACING!!!
I would love that engine in my 1960 f100.
Love the videos. Great information, details, tips and helpful. NOTE: this is not stage 3 of an engine build. Quote,"That means we're gonna have to change some parts but the majority of them are gonna stay". ....Define majority please. That would require 'at least' retaining the block. Fun to watch regardless
Yeah think they kept the crank lol
Now that's one good-looking Bad Boy motor guys thanks for sharing
Glad to see this goin into Pats car. That motor will do 150k miles before it'll ever need a freshen up. Great foundation all in all. Look forward to the install and tune vids
This was my favorite engine build.
Engine stumbles, misses, then comes into boost.
Immediately after, “This engine has great manners right out of the gate”
Written by someone who has never started a rebuilt motor. You & 9 other dickheads know fuck all.
Right!! This video is absurd
🏁 Totally Tricktastick! You guys rock! 👍👍🇺🇸
I wonder what this motor would do with some chi high port 3v heads
You drilled into your Victor jr when you could have just bought the EFI Victor jr intake...why?
What about the Kaase P38 heads? They have canted valves like a Cleveland for better breathing and use standard manifolds to make it easy to find the right intake and headers for your build. I'm looking at those for my project car, if I can get it off the ground! And I like the adjustability of the boost! Mount something on the dash and.....
Is it illegal to show the entire dyno power curve screen?
Richard Holdener disproved the "302 falls apart at 600hp" myth with many power adder combinations. Turbos, two types of superchargers, and nitrous were used and al combos made over 600 crank hp with multiple pulls.
It happens over time. If all it jad to make is a few dyno pulls, it'll be fine. Do it every weekend, see how long it lasts. I have taken stock blocks of many different brands, and pushed limits passed what iy should handle, and they live. But they arw grudge engines and not bracket engines.
Also, you can't compare engine stress from power with a turbo to nitrous or N/A.. not the same. Turbos are very easy on parts...
And lastly, promoting a magazine tech editor on how you should build an engine isn't wise lol. Just sayin'..
Awesomeness, that engine and turbo was just relaxing.
Ronnie Crawford makes the baddest 347 bar none.
My mother is friends with a mechanic who used to be a big time drag racer, and he still has his foxbody Mustang which has a twin turbo 347 making 1,450hp.
Wow! That’s some serious horsepower on that little small block
Back in 1983, I had a Boss 351 that had around 425 HP and spun a clean 8,200 RPMs. Could you build a Cleveland style engine with same style heads, same bore and stroke, and similar compression of 11.7:1, but no less that 11:1 putting out 500 HP and spinning a clean 8,200 RPMs for a canyon running engine that would rival a Ferrari V12? Naturally aspirated, but could have a fuel injection system without rails.
Dandy Engines has a 2,000 hp Windsor block, Cleveland style alum head engine makes 2,500 hp, just did a 6 on 8 inch drag radials.
Nice. 500 HP is more than enough. It’s the 8,200 RPMs that matter.
Douglas Hine There is no way a Cleveland would spin at 8200 rpm without serious mods. Those heads won't fit on a Cleveland. I had a built Boss 302 that wouldn't spin that high. I suggest you go back and watch Sesame Street
wysetech2000 Why be so rude???
@@douglashine9638 I don't like it when people bull shit is why.
Traveling salesmen daily driver like to see this engine teardown at 300,000 miles nice work guys take care
Gordonseries385 it’s a race engine. It will never see 300k miles. Maybe 50 if it’s lucky
This 347 has been a bombass build. Really good numbers and safe tunes mean no blown up engine. That is avoidable. This is mart engine building here ladies and gents. Stay safe mates!😊👍🏻😷
STAGE 3?!?!?! Holy wowie wow! Many horse pressures will be created with this here stage three.
@16:00 with the goal of making 1000 hp at the tire, on the chassis dyno😆
Well. You don't need it in the car to tune it.
By the look of those NASTY welds on the intake, I knew right away a professional did not do it
Nope, but giving a new generation a chance to learn some real world skills is great. Besides that, it doesn't have to be pretty, if it works.
To leave those "gorilla glob" welds on that intake is a travesty. I'm all for helping the younger fellas (if you can find one that will actually work) learn and I certainly don't mind sharing knowledge and experience; BUT don't leave those welds like that! What you lack in welding ability, at least make up for it with grinding skills........ Good day
you guys are so cool
After looking closely at the gasket surface I’m surprised that Intake even sealed
"we'll reuse most of the parts"
replaces most of the parts with new stuff...
uhm,... sure.
cam, pistons and efi is not "most of the parts."
@@bryanroupe8646
Block, lifters, pushrods, head bolts..and on and on..
Realistically speaking they've got 15 or 20k worth of new turbo engine, and less than four grand of it is "old" parts..
Great video and education. Thanks for sharing. I learned so much about turbos.
If you're going to run race gas in it, why not keep the compression higher?
High Compression is not always the answer with boost. Too much compression has diminishing returns. It depends on the boost level. Since this is an N/A engine originally you will benefit more from a drop in static ratio than an increase. This keeps the need for higher and higher octane fuels in-check as well.
This engine has 2019 spec alloy heads and pistons in it. Im 100% sure itll handle 10.0:1 or more on pump gas and turn 1k with far less boost than they are going to need with 8.8:1. I would understand if they were using factory original type pistons and cast iron heads but the alloys suck heat from the chamber.
Why? With a street car it needs to idle and be able to run in variable rpms just like stop and go traffic. In the dyno cell its wide open throttle to 6k then back to idle. On the street it's a different story. Personally, I dont like sitting at idle on the street at around 215 degrees on the coolant temp. After 215 degrees you start cooking oil. That's spells doom for a turbo when the oil starts to get above 225 degrees.
@@3800TURBO considering this show is more than 5 years old, i doubt it has 2019 spec anything
@@ericmccoy5038 considering this episode aired 6 days ago, I'd say it's pretty likely the stuff is modern enough to run 10:1 compression.....
What was the boost at on the final pull?
I'd say around 15-16 psi. My guess is they'll really hammer it on the chassis dyno with electronic boost control inside the Holley EFI system. 700+ on the wastegate is very good.
16 lbs.
Lol you can make 600 on a stock block ported heads and a cam with 16psi
I always called foul on these presentaions..However, now that I see Pat has a 63. I'am all in. Nice job fellows. LOL.
pretty cool but very expensive way to make 800 hp.
Not when everything is donated lol.
@@bigboreracing356 true. Not many think about longevity. This engine will not only put out consistent 800hp, but it will do it for YEARS.
These guys need to watch Richard Holder's videos, he says build a good N/A motor then add boost, boost works no matter, I would of made it 10 to 1 then boost
if they had just replaced the block and added turbos it would have been a better build for sure. the new cam is very mild and it seems that they were only making 354 ft*lbs and 364 HP na with this combination.
Plug the oil drain holes over the cam. Increase the drains front and rear with mesh screens to catch valve train crash. That will decrease windage as well as stiffening the block
I'm a Chevrolet man through and through!... But that little ford engine made me stop and think about it. Impressive!
That crank has grooves on the journals probably from the original block not being align honed with girdle bolted on and the main seal is not Teflon.
"We're keepimg most of the parts for this build.."
Proceeds to throw out everything but the crank, rods, & heads..
exactly!
Puts the girdle on a dart block that doesn't really need it , but didn't even have the girdle on the stock block to begin with. Lol.
Love to have this in my 87 foxbody. Id put a f1r procharcher on it.
That 118 lsa and low compression is hurting the peak numbers. Both old school theories. At 10lbs of boost it barely made more power than the N/A version.
Cool build👍
look at all those cool parts, guarantee that motor costs more than my house, my daily driver, my pickup truck, and my hot rod put together
I bet they do
Kurt Benning only because they're Ford parts
Great work guys always the right performance parts 😎✌nice videos though
Bad ass video.
Almost sounded like some compressor surge was happening though.
I thought their goal was to reach 1,100 HP? Did they only push 10psi and plan on going above that later?
Perma Frost I too was confused about this
They later said it in the video they are getting a base tune, and then pushing it for 1000whp once its in the galaxie.
Ooohh. I guess I missed that lol.
Here I am running a measly 2.3 litre 131 ci straight 4 at 650 whp @ 6500 rpm with stock head, this is not crank but to the wheel, 9.5:1 cr, gtx 35 r at 22lbs on 92 octane with methanol injection on a bone stock block with forged rotating assembly.....surprised a stock 302 block can’t handle those numbers, makes me feel a little concerned.
More on this build please!!!
The Jones accessories are a nice touch. But, it needs more Cowbell!
Anyone else notice the power steering pump not hooked up? To get and I quote true dyno numbers when completed in the car.
Cannot wait to see that Galaxy run!
Nice! Can’t wait to see the engine in the 63 Galaxie.
@POWERNATION want to point out you adding to the 600hp cracked block myth. I won't deny that the block will crack but it is not associated to a specific hp mark it is due to the internal harmonics of the block. By having the block and rotating assembly Professionally balanced plus running tune to keep the RPM'S low the stock 302 block can see around and over 800hp reliably.
I'd like to see you do a similar build of a coyote, be nice to see what similar cubes can do in a more modern block
Wish you guys would have started with original displacement as stage 1 and just did heads and cam and then stage 2 as stroker, heads and cam and then up from there.
they are gonna put it in that galaxy... i want it in my Fox body !!!
I thought the wider lobe separation for less over lap was to reduce the possibility of back flow to the intake.
Don't think about it like that. Whatever power you engine makes NA, adding boost just makes more power to that combo. 300hp NA engine makes about 600hp at 15psi with proper tuning.
I think I would have used some 400 grit in the solvent tank and polished the crank a bit for the video.
Giddy up Galaxy ☄
That Galaxy is going to fly
Is it just me or did this thing fall around 400 hp short of the money spent? Makes a great case for an LS though if that was your intention.
And there goes about 30 grand....
Psst at least
Money well spent.
@@Crabbeshackyeaaaahhhhh no
"So when we are done with the show can I put this in my car?"
"Sure!"
"Stage 3 it is then!"
That's a great sounding engine right there pats gonna as have fun with that
Lets get those turtles excited!!!
I sure in the hell wouldn't use Pennzoil never seen anything good come from a taredown after it had that oil in it.. But thats just me...
True story , rebuilt many a engine , and always could tell when they used Pennzoil . Carbon Deposit out the Ass
I would use Pennzoil 1000 times before I would use the royal purple junk they normally use. Still I wouldn't use ether one of them. Who knows maybe this new version of Pennzoil I the cats meow.
@@gregertman6497 very true but im not paying 80 bucks to do a oil change with that purple shit either
Not the biggest Pennzoil fan my self, But we just retired my uncles 1994 Olds Cutlass with 475k on the clock. He only used 10w40 Pennzoil conventional from day one.
@@theoldguywalking5075 no shit!? Damn... Just lucky with that stuff then.... Or possibly regular oil changes help too...
The tiny ports on the heads make it so they have to run higher boost to achieve lower hp numbers. Larger ports flow better and require less boost to make hp do to a cooler denser charge.
Cracks develop at the front oil main galley from the oil pump then it works it's way back and up. Not from the Lifter galley.
You guys are awesome, but I was wondering why you can't use a flat tappit cam for a roller?
Is it possible to get a complete parts list with all the specs?
I wish they would put the original air date in the description.
Damn does pat look young.
I would have loved to see them push this engine to a 1000 horsepower.
Did I miss it or did they not rebalance after changing the pistons?
Also didn’t see any sealer on the lower head studs?