I started watching this in February when I was looking for a more nuanced take on the opening of Quantumania. This show is can't miss stuff. So much box office coverage is surface level and Dan gives fantastic analysis every single week.
@@matheuslascasas134trades can be biased and have studio narratives to maintain. When black adam flopped, Deadline put out an article "leaked" by dwayne johnsons team saying that thr movie was a box office success
I absolutely love that Cole specifies “long time listener, first time caller” despite the fact that all of us are going to be first time callers. I am so excited about this hotline and definitely want to call in when I have my next question for Dan.
While you were going over the top 10 highest grossing films of the year, I thought of a new chart you could possibly add: top 10 most profitable films of the (year, summer, fall, etc). I think this would give a better idea of which movies were successful because films like TLM, Quantumania, and MI lost money in the theatrical window. If a non-box office nerd took a look at the list of highest grossing films, they would likely assume these films as successes when that is not the case.
Cool idea but it would heavily rely on estimates, to the point where it would be more of a guess than an accurate list. Also, Dan would have to crunch all the numbers himself and it would be a lot of effort on his part
@@yoruguafighter666he already does this regularly so he wouldn’t be starting from scratch. Yes it’s estimated but it still gives a sense where the industry is and what’s working.
Looking at the originally planned release schedule for fall/holiday 2023, I am fully convinced that Dune: Part Two would've had a real chance of hitting that 600 million dollar bar for the worldwide top 10 of the year. It would've been surrounded by a whole bunch of nothin', and Kraven the Hunter, for weeks! I fear it's going to be buried by the competition this year. Villenueve deserves better.
I think the "Road to Recovery" chart is going to have to stick around a little long, because 2024 is going to be bumpy with the twin strikes messing up so much of the movie release schedule for the new year.
Pour one out for DVD/Blu-Ray sales at Best Buy. Truly the end of an era. I bought my first DVD player (Toshiba’s first US model) there in the late 90s along with, I believe, The Craft, The Usual Suspects, Fargo, and Contact. I also worked at Best Buy at the height of the physical media era (2000-2015) and can still remember the Tuesday morning where there would be dozens if not a hundred folks lined up out front for high profile releases like The Matrix, American Pie, Scarface, and the LoTR movies. Fun fact, the last VHS new release they stocked was The Two Towers.
Agree with you, and they're not doing their DVD/Blu-Ray sales any favors with the way they've stocked/presented them in the stores for the past 5-6 years, along with the mark-up they charge.
I'm always super interested in January. It has gained a reputation as a dumping ground for films that are expected to underperform, so expectations are low and there might be a couple of surprise success stories in there.
Absolutely, ive always heard ppl say January is just a wasteland, even RLM joked about it, yet these award darlings are all being released around then? Poor things, Priscilla And also movies ive seen advertised quite a bit; like Mean Girls, Lift, The BeeKeeper, Book of Clarence, Night Swim or stuff like ISS, The Kitchen. Why the hell are they all being released around then when its some of the few stuff that these studios seemed to put any effort into promoting/advertising??
@@GuineaPigEverydayit's very common for awards darlings to be "technically" released in December. (released in the minimum number of theaters to qualify for being a movie released in 2023) Wide release however will often be later.
I feel like the theatrical releases will rebound when streaming starts to really take a dive. For most of the streaming companies, their business model is not sustainable, and consumers are moving away from having large numbers of subscriptions at once. That paired with changes coming do to the recent SAG and WGA negotiations, the quantity of movies and shows being released direct to streaming might go down. It is likely going to be more profitable for studios to do theatrical releases followed by licensing out to streamers, more like it used to be. We will see...
Seeing that box office flashback was staggering. Not the inflation-adjusted numbers but how the Top 5 were so evenly distributed. Shows how much people went to the movies of all kinds then.
2023 was such an interesting year for the theatrical market, as despite having so much variety of films in the market. Only a handful of movies were hits whereas the majority of them were misses. And it looks like 2024 will be even more interesting as there won’t be that many movies this time around, but still so much to look forward to.
That description of streaming sounded like the prisoner's dilemma: if one studio started a streaming service, they'd get a bunch of profit; but because every studio started a streaming service they killed cable and thinned out the customer base between one another. On the other had, if they all kept licensing movies to Netflix and didn't invest billions in makeing a streaming service, they *all* would have continued to make modest profits post-theatrical release just like if no prisoners betray to others. They hit the "all prisoners betray" scenario and wrecked their entire market.
Great as always. A thought on the Road to Recovery too: as the BO recovers and approaches the pre-COVID average, I’d be interested to see how current year compares to individual years within that pre-COVID average. In other words, say we’re only 5% off the average, well that’s close enough that maybe 2024 did better than 2018 but worse than 2019 and about the same as 2017, etc… Would be interesting to see
Idk if recovery is ever possible when theatrical release becomes increasingly irrelevant and seen as unnecessary, and clearly very few original movies ever make money in theatrical releases like they used to pre-2010s. No drama, comedy, historical film, war film, thriller, etc etc ever makes anything close to the amount of money they used to, especially anything pre-90s, they are lucky to even get close to breaking even. So honestly i might sound cynical but it seems pretty realistic looking at box office returns that we’re just looking at overall decline
I've been wondering if studios will just let movies stay in theatres exclusively for longer. Clearly theatrical gross is important but if people know that things will be available in like a month, I don't think a lot of folk will go.
It's interesting how clearly the pandemic affected movie theaters in such an irreversible way, probably a combination of many factors (movie-going culture, rise of streaming, ticket price vs. theater renovations, unrelated fall of superhero blockbusters)
If Dune Pt 2, Kraven, Ghostbusters Afterlife 2 has released in the fall I think the box office would look a lot closer. Plus the economy is still in a tough place some inflation has got discrepancy spending. I think the right film slate in a lower inflation market would be pretty on par with 2018/2019 numbers
Ok here's how you fix it... 1. Ditch monthly subscription services for Pay Per View digital libraries, Charge $1 per episode, $3 per Movie. 2. Drop digital purchase altogether and lean in hard on only owning it on physical media; including multi-season slipcases for film and tv series with the first part, to encourage future purchases. The hard part is getting all the studios to change together, because it would need to be uniform. What do you think?
Great show as always. There's one problem with the Les Miz comparison to Color Purple: Everybody at Les Miz knew it was a musical. There are a lot of people who probably went to Color Purple without knowing it was a musical. It's a good comparison, but the fact that Color Purple hid the musical ness of it in the marketing complicates things.
On streaming, I’m switching to physical media because these streaming services are expensive, there are too many, and I watch the same old shows because quality is down on many new shows. Think about it. Pay 20-30 dollars once or $7.99 to $17.99 a month while you forget about your subscriptions?
Dan, great analysis as always. It’s surprising to see the drag 2023 has had on the recovery, but I do agree that 2024 could be even worse. Very surprising story about Wonka. I do have the answer about downstream of smaller titles! Also loved your adjusted inflation charts. Shocking.
Not too surprised at all. Universal is the real and true box office winner and champion of 2023 just like they were in 2015. Glad that Wonka is definitely pure gold at the box office. However, I am surprised that Aquaman 2 is doing better than we all expected even though it will never surpass its predecessor.
25:25 I think we'll see more and more product placements, and UA-cam-like advertising strategy. So, you'll need to pay more, not to see ads during a movie. Also, we could see the payment plans depending on the hours watched, like we have for mobile networks
Curious to see if we will ever return to pre pandemic levels myself. Disney might never fully recover, they really shot themselves in the foot with premiering films on Disney + (and probably hurt family films in general). For families, going to the theater has becoming a 100 dollar plus expenditure for four or more. I have seen Regal make small (doubt it will work) efforts, by charging adults childrens' rates (You save TWO WHOLE dollars a ticket! They are also offering a friends and family plan for Unlimited, but have no info on that. Super Mario Bros had the advantage of strong adult appeal (made up the bulk of the audience actually), and a multi-generational fanbase.
When TVs became mainstream in the 50s and threatened theatrical movies, at least the movie industry didn't do it to themselves. With streaming, the studios have become their own worst enemies.
No…thank YOU for all the work that you put into this series. I also enjoy learning about those unique theaters around the country. Just saw Aquaman 2 in the theater last night. It was ok, not terrible, IMO. I saw it in Laser IMAX at AMC. I wish they would add Dolby Vision and the Dolby Cinema speakers to IMAX. Now, THAT would be a nice theater experience. Better seats too.
I think 2023 showed us it is going to take a longer time for the movie box office to recover. Thank you for a full year of explaining the box office to us with kindness and patience.
Crazy how on social media I just see everyone talking about the iron claw but it’s not making any money , yet wonka and Aquaman is doing better and no one is talking about those movies
No special comments to make or anguish to rant, just a thank you to Dan Murrell for being such a conscientious reviewer, excellent number cruncher and the only person on this planet who has ever gotten me to be excited about statistics.
Not worth going to the cinema anymore. With cost of living crisis and the fact you risk coming back with sickness. I went to see Wonka and the nearly $120 dollar experience (without replenishing adds) plus the dinner then the doctor and the medicine (because I came back home with covid) went over $300 dollars. I could have bought 3 major AAA games for that price and got countless more hours of entertainment out of them not to mention then being struck with the worst version of covid I’ve ever had. Not doing it anymore. I couldn’t care less now if theatres slowly start closing their doors for good.
Can we give props to “Anyone but You”? I was surprised by how much I liked it and it feels like it’s been forever since we’ve had a successful rom com in wide release. I’m curious to see it’s legs compared to other recent rom coms.
Very very good end of the year show 👏🏽 I'm glad you keep evolving the show and loving everything that relates to the box office. Have a greeat new year, Dan! I appreciate your channel a whole lot and I know many people look forward to your shows and reviews every week 🫶🏽👍🏽
I suggest demographic analysis. What ages, genders, etc, are staying away from cinema theaters today when compared to 20 years ago? Before covid, inflatiob, streaming, twitter... and the prices? How much the cost of tickets and snacks and parking has increased compared to wages? And the impact of less movies being shown in China? Just analysis suggestions. Thank you for your work!
Man, that inflation adjusted annual totals chart winded me. It's hard to see how the theatrical experience can recover. I'm going as many times as I can but my local cinema is so quiet I dunno how long it'll even be open.
Honestly, the only movie The Color Purple can be compared to is DreamGirls. All black cast. Lead by singer. From a Broadway play. Comparable budget. Same Release date. TCP and Into the Heights are targeted very specifically - that has to be taken into consideration, they can't just be randomly thrown up against Les Miserables and Chicago. The fact of the matter is when films are targeted with 'all' any specific demographic cast - the result is going to be varying when it comes to box office.... for varying reasons.... which I'll leave alone. But one thing I do know, it's not because of quality with TCP that's for sure. But it's typical Hollywood to point the finger and say, 'look how bad it's doing, no one must want to see that' and then we don't get any other films about us (sigh).
Dreamgirls had a totally different release strategy, though: two weeks in extremely limited release, two weeks in limited release, and a wide rollout in week 5, peaking in week 8. The Les Misérables comparison is only because both films opened wide on Christmas Day and both films drew an almost identical opening day number. This actually may underscore what you're saying, so I think the comparison is valid. It's not meant to be a 'better than' metric, just a look at how two films that began the same perform over time.
The most damning thing about Aquaman 2 is that it won’t even reach half the money Aquaman 1 made. Compare it all you want to other 2023 DCEU, the fact it cut the business it did ITSELF last time is really the big failure of the film
Maybe if Disney, Marvel and Lucasfilm actually made some decent films instead of trying to push an agenda they wouldnt be in this position. And whenever one fails they inevitably blame the fans. This director for the Rey movie said how its about time a woman shapes the world of a galaxy far far away. Its like she ignores that women (one in particular) already had. Marcia Lucas was largely responsible for editing and even cutting scenes to tell a more concise story and many of the more character driven scenes were her doing. She won an oscar for best film editing too. then the director says she wants to make men uncomfortable. This is what people mean when they say disney took a boy brand (star wars) that also appealed to girls and made it a girl brand that appeals to no one. You can't market a film on misandry. You cant gaslight or guilt the audience into seeing your film either. Saying you want to make men uncomfortable is a sure fire way to make them keep their wallets closed. The problem is how do you intend ti make men uncomfortable if you cant even get them to want to see your film. Calling men sexist or basement dwelling trolls didnt exactly work too well for Ghostbusters 2016. Nor did it work for Terminator Dark Fate where Tim Miller said the film will scare the fuck out of misogynistic internet trolls. All it really did was scare away men at large. People didnt even really like Rey the first time around with many calling her a Mary sue. Countless new trilogy figures can be found rotting on shelves at Ollies including figures from Mandalorian. Star Wars is a damaged brand that has an apathetic audience now. You don't even have Adam Driver to please the Reylo's anymore. Ive always been more of an Indiana Jones fan and Lucasfilm and Kathlern Kennedy fucked that up too. I cant believe she still has her job. If it were anyone else they would have been out the door with how much money she has lost on these half assed projects.
Same day streaming releases have effectively all but dried up. There was only one film in the entirety of 2023 that did the model (FNAF), and even then it had the same effect that previous same day streaming releases had where the film collapsed at the box office in its second weekend and ended up having terrible legs. Sure, the super low budget meant it was profitable in the end, but it still pretty much showed that it’s not really a good release strategy and why the studios pretty much abandoned it for the most part.
@@MysteryMii Not necessarily day one, but I remember getting pirates of Plane and House Party the same week they came out in theaters. A few others too.
20:23 deadline is saying there were group bookings arranged on Day 1.. So opening was probably jacked and now we are seeing the truer numbers.. not an indictment, just positing
It would be funny if once their box office run comes to an end, if Migration manages to beat Aquaman 2 in the world wide box office total. Aquaman 2 has the clear advantage right now, but considering how much it's box office gains are dropping by the day, I can see Aquaman 2's box office pretty much come to a dead crawl in just a week or 2 from now. While Migration could very well pull the 'Little Engine that Could' tactic in the long haul seeing how it's holding steady even better than Wonka. If they do that, while they likely won't beat the Lorax, Universal can atleast say they beat Aquaman 2 (even if just slightly) for a film just 1/3 the budget, which is amazing for studios at the moment.
I know I might be in the minority but I really liked your reviews of animes you watched (it's not always you get a new perspective). I know you have lots of stuff to review and watch (I love watching you charts and movie reviews) but I hope you find time to finish animes you started and make reviews this year😊🎉
Hey Dan, love the show, good analysis, but I have a suggestion: would it be a useful supplement to the Road To Recovery chart if you showed cumulative box office totals alongside the rolling weekly results? I've seen industry analysis from other sources cite the total yearly takes a lot... just a thought!
Dan, there must be a mistake on the Road To Recovery chart. That spike at the end of the year moved to the left in a way that doesn’t make sense, when you include 2023 into the red line. Are you sure you haven’t missed a cell in your spreadsheet or something?
The Illumination charts are interesting. Two movies released in 2023, one is their best release ever, one is their worst (so far). Truly for Illumination, 2023 "was the best of times, it was the worst of times."
How the fuck does Ferrari cost a HUNDRED MILLION? This whole system is completely unsustainable and deserves to completely collapse and restart. 15 years ago Ferrari would have cost 30, and no inflation doesnt cover it.
I ask the same question about Martin Scorcese's last films which cost double that amount! Like where is that money going? Yes his films are long, but Hunger Games BOSS isn't exactly a short film either. Almost half a hour longer than Ferrari! Yet Hunger Games BOSS and Ferrari cost the same to make despite Hunger Games BOSS looks way more expensive. Clearly some directors know how to make use of their budget while others treat their films like they have a blank check to them.
Please don’t sell Paramount! Competition makes things better. I miss Fox since Disney acquired them. This is why I root for the Lionsgates, A24s, Angel Studios, etc of the world to do well. No monopolies please.
There was a time back in the 1970s, 80s and 90s when Universal and Paramount regularly dominated the box office. The idea that Disney would dominate seemed very slim. Then Warner Bros dominated in the 2000s and then Disney in the 2010s. It could be a new Universal era of dominance in the future.
"The Scream franchise just imploded" Yes, but that doesn't take away that Scream VI was highly profitable in the year 2023. So it definitely helped Paramount. It's just that they have to figure out how they approach the future of the franchise. Also, should I have my comment start with "Well, wait a minute"? Love how often you say that
Like you said, "Hollywood would love to have a weekend like 1995." Sure, then make movies like it's 1995!! Originality! Low cost productions! Movies for specific quadrants of people! 2024 is a bleak lineup of prequels and largely uninteresting sequels. If they want business like the 90s, they need to provide a better product.
Paramount is also futzing around w/ taking Trek shows off of streaming to save tax dollars...so I have little to zero confidence in their ability to effectively manage their IPs.
I started watching this in February when I was looking for a more nuanced take on the opening of Quantumania.
This show is can't miss stuff. So much box office coverage is surface level and Dan gives fantastic analysis every single week.
It's great to find someone excited about the truth, and not saying whatever gets views on youtube
His box office coverage is honestly better than the trades
No bias and pure knowledge. What box office reporting needs
@@matheuslascasas134trades can be biased and have studio narratives to maintain. When black adam flopped, Deadline put out an article "leaked" by dwayne johnsons team saying that thr movie was a box office success
No notification brings me as much enjoyment as a Dan Murrell notification, thanks for another year of this amazing channel. Here’s to many more.
Amen to that!
I absolutely love that Cole specifies “long time listener, first time caller” despite the fact that all of us are going to be first time callers. I am so excited about this hotline and definitely want to call in when I have my next question for Dan.
I couldn't help it 😂
While you were going over the top 10 highest grossing films of the year, I thought of a new chart you could possibly add: top 10 most profitable films of the (year, summer, fall, etc). I think this would give a better idea of which movies were successful because films like TLM, Quantumania, and MI lost money in the theatrical window. If a non-box office nerd took a look at the list of highest grossing films, they would likely assume these films as successes when that is not the case.
Yeah Deadline does something similar for the big blockbusters (but not for every movie) for the previous year.
Cool idea but it would heavily rely on estimates, to the point where it would be more of a guess than an accurate list. Also, Dan would have to crunch all the numbers himself and it would be a lot of effort on his part
@@yoruguafighter666he already does this regularly so he wouldn’t be starting from scratch.
Yes it’s estimated but it still gives a sense where the industry is and what’s working.
Looking at the originally planned release schedule for fall/holiday 2023, I am fully convinced that Dune: Part Two would've had a real chance of hitting that 600 million dollar bar for the worldwide top 10 of the year. It would've been surrounded by a whole bunch of nothin', and Kraven the Hunter, for weeks! I fear it's going to be buried by the competition this year.
Villenueve deserves better.
Dan yelling numbers at me is always the best part of my day.
I think the "Road to Recovery" chart is going to have to stick around a little long, because 2024 is going to be bumpy with the twin strikes messing up so much of the movie release schedule for the new year.
I will never understand why a studio would think that naming an animated kids movie “Migration” was the very best title they could end up with.
What a crazy year at the box office! Can't wait to hear all about it.
Pour one out for DVD/Blu-Ray sales at Best Buy. Truly the end of an era. I bought my first DVD player (Toshiba’s first US model) there in the late 90s along with, I believe, The Craft, The Usual Suspects, Fargo, and Contact.
I also worked at Best Buy at the height of the physical media era (2000-2015) and can still remember the Tuesday morning where there would be dozens if not a hundred folks lined up out front for high profile releases like The Matrix, American Pie, Scarface, and the LoTR movies. Fun fact, the last VHS new release they stocked was The Two Towers.
Agree with you, and they're not doing their DVD/Blu-Ray sales any favors with the way they've stocked/presented them in the stores for the past 5-6 years, along with the mark-up they charge.
I'm always super interested in January. It has gained a reputation as a dumping ground for films that are expected to underperform, so expectations are low and there might be a couple of surprise success stories in there.
Absolutely, ive always heard ppl say January is just a wasteland, even RLM joked about it, yet these award darlings are all being released around then? Poor things, Priscilla
And also movies ive seen advertised quite a bit; like Mean Girls, Lift, The BeeKeeper, Book of Clarence, Night Swim or stuff like ISS, The Kitchen. Why the hell are they all being released around then when its some of the few stuff that these studios seemed to put any effort into promoting/advertising??
@@GuineaPigEveryday F*** you, it's January!
@@GuineaPigEverydayit's very common for awards darlings to be "technically" released in December. (released in the minimum number of theaters to qualify for being a movie released in 2023)
Wide release however will often be later.
The Mint Mobile hotline is a cool addition to the show. I was initially worried that those were the callers' phone numbers 😅
That would be the ultimate heel turn 😂
The Boy and the Heron cracking the top 10 as foreign film that is also not in wide release is also pretty noteworthy I think.
“If you’re a fan of the theatrical model, don’t look!”
Me: *looks*
Me: “Jesus H Christ.”
I feel like the theatrical releases will rebound when streaming starts to really take a dive. For most of the streaming companies, their business model is not sustainable, and consumers are moving away from having large numbers of subscriptions at once. That paired with changes coming do to the recent SAG and WGA negotiations, the quantity of movies and shows being released direct to streaming might go down.
It is likely going to be more profitable for studios to do theatrical releases followed by licensing out to streamers, more like it used to be. We will see...
Seeing that box office flashback was staggering. Not the inflation-adjusted numbers but how the Top 5 were so evenly distributed. Shows how much people went to the movies of all kinds then.
2023 was such an interesting year for the theatrical market, as despite having so much variety of films in the market. Only a handful of movies were hits whereas the majority of them were misses. And it looks like 2024 will be even more interesting as there won’t be that many movies this time around, but still so much to look forward to.
That description of streaming sounded like the prisoner's dilemma: if one studio started a streaming service, they'd get a bunch of profit; but because every studio started a streaming service they killed cable and thinned out the customer base between one another. On the other had, if they all kept licensing movies to Netflix and didn't invest billions in makeing a streaming service, they *all* would have continued to make modest profits post-theatrical release just like if no prisoners betray to others. They hit the "all prisoners betray" scenario and wrecked their entire market.
This show is a must watch every week. Cant wait for more Charts!!!!
Happy birthday week, Dan! Thanks for all the number crunching and hard work you put into this show!
Great as always. A thought on the Road to Recovery too: as the BO recovers and approaches the pre-COVID average, I’d be interested to see how current year compares to individual years within that pre-COVID average. In other words, say we’re only 5% off the average, well that’s close enough that maybe 2024 did better than 2018 but worse than 2019 and about the same as 2017, etc…
Would be interesting to see
Idk if recovery is ever possible when theatrical release becomes increasingly irrelevant and seen as unnecessary, and clearly very few original movies ever make money in theatrical releases like they used to pre-2010s. No drama, comedy, historical film, war film, thriller, etc etc ever makes anything close to the amount of money they used to, especially anything pre-90s, they are lucky to even get close to breaking even. So honestly i might sound cynical but it seems pretty realistic looking at box office returns that we’re just looking at overall decline
I've been wondering if studios will just let movies stay in theatres exclusively for longer. Clearly theatrical gross is important but if people know that things will be available in like a month, I don't think a lot of folk will go.
The Caleb question about theater chains subscription services, I've had that question for years! Good on you for taking that question
Once again I'm absorbed in Charts with Dan. Great work. Thanks for making these statistics available in an easily consumable way.
34:08 it feels so good to see that variety in the charts again ! …
It's interesting how clearly the pandemic affected movie theaters in such an irreversible way, probably a combination of many factors (movie-going culture, rise of streaming, ticket price vs. theater renovations, unrelated fall of superhero blockbusters)
If Dune Pt 2, Kraven, Ghostbusters Afterlife 2 has released in the fall I think the box office would look a lot closer.
Plus the economy is still in a tough place some inflation has got discrepancy spending.
I think the right film slate in a lower inflation market would be pretty on par with 2018/2019 numbers
Ok here's how you fix it...
1. Ditch monthly subscription services for Pay Per View digital libraries, Charge $1 per episode, $3 per Movie.
2. Drop digital purchase altogether and lean in hard on only owning it on physical media; including multi-season slipcases for film and tv series with the first part, to encourage future purchases.
The hard part is getting all the studios to change together, because it would need to be uniform.
What do you think?
My new year's resolution is to see a new movie in theaters every week. Maybe I'll play a small part to bring the box office numbers back up.
I am happy that Sound of Freedom stayed in the top ten it was the little movie that could.
Great show as always. There's one problem with the Les Miz comparison to Color Purple: Everybody at Les Miz knew it was a musical. There are a lot of people who probably went to Color Purple without knowing it was a musical. It's a good comparison, but the fact that Color Purple hid the musical ness of it in the marketing complicates things.
I honestly don't know why studios do this. It's the same with Wonka and Mean Girls.
@@ennythinn And the whole gimmick of Mean Girls, like the lone reason for it to exist, is because it's the musical!
On streaming, I’m switching to physical media because these streaming services are expensive, there are too many, and I watch the same old shows because quality is down on many new shows. Think about it. Pay 20-30 dollars once or $7.99 to $17.99 a month while you forget about your subscriptions?
Can't believe some people are still trying to lecture Dan on the BO numbers. That's like telling Michael Jordan how to play basketball. The hubris!
2023 has been a good year for international cinema, which enriches everyone.
Dan, great analysis as always. It’s surprising to see the drag 2023 has had on the recovery, but I do agree that 2024 could be even worse. Very surprising story about Wonka. I do have the answer about downstream of smaller titles! Also loved your adjusted inflation charts. Shocking.
Happy New Year, Dan!
Not too surprised at all. Universal is the real and true box office winner and champion of 2023 just like they were in 2015. Glad that Wonka is definitely pure gold at the box office. However, I am surprised that Aquaman 2 is doing better than we all expected even though it will never surpass its predecessor.
25:25 I think we'll see more and more product placements, and UA-cam-like advertising strategy.
So, you'll need to pay more, not to see ads during a movie.
Also, we could see the payment plans depending on the hours watched, like we have for mobile networks
Saw Boys in the boat. Loved it
The model is simple, blockbuster movies on streaming platforms should be behind a paywall or with ads if you don't want to pay.
This channel is easily my favorite on UA-cam. Consistent quality and care. We love your work, Dan! (The mobile hotline is a good addition by the way!)
Curious to see if we will ever return to pre pandemic levels myself. Disney might never fully recover, they really shot themselves in the foot with premiering films on Disney + (and probably hurt family films in general). For families, going to the theater has becoming a 100 dollar plus expenditure for four or more. I have seen Regal make small (doubt it will work) efforts, by charging adults childrens' rates (You save TWO WHOLE dollars a ticket! They are also offering a friends and family plan for Unlimited, but have no info on that. Super Mario Bros had the advantage of strong adult appeal (made up the bulk of the audience actually), and a multi-generational fanbase.
Now I want an episode of Charts where Dan is literally yelling numbers at us. 😂
I think aquaman 2 is going to eclipse around 400mil..black adam/shazam numbers.. Wonka doing good made me happy, really liked that movie.
Aquaman 2 having tapped out with an 80% wk 2 drop in China (current total of $49.3m) is very unlikely to hit $400m with its current worldwide total.
Phew! Arms are back
I got that reference.
Thanks for another year in charts Dan! 2023 definitely seems like another turning point and I'm curios how the studios will respond.
When TVs became mainstream in the 50s and threatened theatrical movies, at least the movie industry didn't do it to themselves. With streaming, the studios have become their own worst enemies.
Great point!
Thanks for making sense of the box office. Happy new year to you and your family
No…thank YOU for all the work that you put into this series. I also enjoy learning about those unique theaters around the country. Just saw Aquaman 2 in the theater last night. It was ok, not terrible, IMO. I saw it in Laser IMAX at AMC. I wish they would add Dolby Vision and the Dolby Cinema speakers to IMAX. Now, THAT would be a nice theater experience. Better seats too.
so happy i found the Channel this year! Looking forward to 2024
Comparing the performance of The Marvels against Aquaman 2 is like trying to to compare the sizes of 2 different turds
What a year! Thank you for the charts Dan.
6:29 that Barbenheimer bump tho
Happy New Year, Dan! I agree, we are witnessing history, not just at the box office but in all facets of life, as we go into 2024.
I miss when you showed us what was coming “ this coming week” can you bring that back?
Keep yelling those numbers!
I think 2023 showed us it is going to take a longer time for the movie box office to recover. Thank you for a full year of explaining the box office to us with kindness and patience.
Crazy how on social media I just see everyone talking about the iron claw but it’s not making any money , yet wonka and Aquaman is doing better and no one is talking about those movies
Good job dan
No special comments to make or anguish to rant, just a thank you to Dan Murrell for being such a conscientious reviewer, excellent number cruncher and the only person on this planet who has ever gotten me to be excited about statistics.
Aquaman and the Lost Revenue.
DC hater has been found
@@BrutalVengeance729 Lol, I don't hate DC. I just like bad puns.
@@Drambles77 That comment was all wet, and kinda fishy.
@@Corbomite_Meatballs 😆
Well put
Wow, the Hotline segment was the most interesting part or the show. Congratulations, Dan, on another great concept, well executed!
Let's go Universal!!!
Always great! 🎉🎉🎉🎉 Your shows are the BEST !!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉 I love your new collaboration with Mint Mobile 📱📫
Not worth going to the cinema anymore. With cost of living crisis and the fact you risk coming back with sickness. I went to see Wonka and the nearly $120 dollar experience (without replenishing adds) plus the dinner then the doctor and the medicine (because I came back home with covid) went over $300 dollars. I could have bought 3 major AAA games for that price and got countless more hours of entertainment out of them not to mention then being struck with the worst version of covid I’ve ever had. Not doing it anymore. I couldn’t care less now if theatres slowly start closing their doors for good.
My god, what a fucking waste of a year for Hollywood.
More than 45 minutes? Thank you so much!
Can we give props to “Anyone but You”? I was surprised by how much I liked it and it feels like it’s been forever since we’ve had a successful rom com in wide release. I’m curious to see it’s legs compared to other recent rom coms.
Very very good end of the year show 👏🏽 I'm glad you keep evolving the show and loving everything that relates to the box office. Have a greeat new year, Dan! I appreciate your channel a whole lot and I know many people look forward to your shows and reviews every week 🫶🏽👍🏽
We’ve lost 2000+ screens…we’re still in the rebuilding phase.
I suggest demographic analysis. What ages, genders, etc, are staying away from cinema theaters today when compared to 20 years ago? Before covid, inflatiob, streaming, twitter... and the prices? How much the cost of tickets and snacks and parking has increased compared to wages? And the impact of less movies being shown in China? Just analysis suggestions. Thank you for your work!
Man, that inflation adjusted annual totals chart winded me. It's hard to see how the theatrical experience can recover. I'm going as many times as I can but my local cinema is so quiet I dunno how long it'll even be open.
I'm glad you got your arms back!
Honestly, the only movie The Color Purple can be compared to is DreamGirls.
All black cast. Lead by singer. From a Broadway play. Comparable budget. Same Release date.
TCP and Into the Heights are targeted very specifically - that has to be taken into consideration, they can't just be randomly thrown up against Les Miserables and Chicago.
The fact of the matter is when films are targeted with 'all' any specific demographic cast - the result is going to be varying when it comes to box office.... for varying reasons.... which I'll leave alone. But one thing I do know, it's not because of quality with TCP that's for sure. But it's typical Hollywood to point the finger and say, 'look how bad it's doing, no one must want to see that' and then we don't get any other films about us (sigh).
Dreamgirls had a totally different release strategy, though: two weeks in extremely limited release, two weeks in limited release, and a wide rollout in week 5, peaking in week 8. The Les Misérables comparison is only because both films opened wide on Christmas Day and both films drew an almost identical opening day number. This actually may underscore what you're saying, so I think the comparison is valid. It's not meant to be a 'better than' metric, just a look at how two films that began the same perform over time.
Great analysis as usual, all year long, and I can't wait for more in 2024.
The most damning thing about Aquaman 2 is that it won’t even reach half the money Aquaman 1 made. Compare it all you want to other 2023 DCEU, the fact it cut the business it did ITSELF last time is really the big failure of the film
Which is why , 2025 will be big year for DC
Maybe if Disney, Marvel and Lucasfilm actually made some decent films instead of trying to push an agenda they wouldnt be in this position. And whenever one fails they inevitably blame the fans. This director for the Rey movie said how its about time a woman shapes the world of a galaxy far far away. Its like she ignores that women (one in particular) already had. Marcia Lucas was largely responsible for editing and even cutting scenes to tell a more concise story and many of the more character driven scenes were her doing. She won an oscar for best film editing too.
then the director says she wants to make men uncomfortable. This is what people mean when they say disney took a boy brand (star wars) that also appealed to girls and made it a girl brand that appeals to no one.
You can't market a film on misandry. You cant gaslight or guilt the audience into seeing your film either. Saying you want to make men uncomfortable is a sure fire way to make them keep their wallets closed. The problem is how do you intend ti make men uncomfortable if you cant even get them to want to see your film.
Calling men sexist or basement dwelling trolls didnt exactly work too well for Ghostbusters 2016.
Nor did it work for Terminator Dark Fate where Tim Miller said the film will scare the fuck out of misogynistic internet trolls. All it really did was scare away men at large.
People didnt even really like Rey the first time around with many calling her a Mary sue. Countless new trilogy figures can be found rotting on shelves at Ollies including figures from Mandalorian. Star Wars is a damaged brand that has an apathetic audience now.
You don't even have Adam Driver to please the Reylo's anymore.
Ive always been more of an Indiana Jones fan and Lucasfilm and Kathlern Kennedy fucked that up too. I cant believe she still has her job. If it were anyone else they would have been out the door with how much money she has lost on these half assed projects.
With theatrical windows shorting, same day streaming releases and increased pricing, I don't foresee the line ever matching pre-pandemic.
Same day streaming releases have effectively all but dried up. There was only one film in the entirety of 2023 that did the model (FNAF), and even then it had the same effect that previous same day streaming releases had where the film collapsed at the box office in its second weekend and ended up having terrible legs. Sure, the super low budget meant it was profitable in the end, but it still pretty much showed that it’s not really a good release strategy and why the studios pretty much abandoned it for the most part.
@@MysteryMii Not necessarily day one, but I remember getting pirates of Plane and House Party the same week they came out in theaters. A few others too.
@@thedarkemissary It’s because they went straight to PVOD in some international markets. It’s not the same.
20:23 deadline is saying there were group bookings arranged on Day 1.. So opening was probably jacked and now we are seeing the truer numbers.. not an indictment, just positing
Brilliant video and I really enjoyed the hotline feature. Happy New Year Dan!
We love watching you yell numbers at us, Dan 🎉❤😅
It would be funny if once their box office run comes to an end, if Migration manages to beat Aquaman 2 in the world wide box office total. Aquaman 2 has the clear advantage right now, but considering how much it's box office gains are dropping by the day, I can see Aquaman 2's box office pretty much come to a dead crawl in just a week or 2 from now. While Migration could very well pull the 'Little Engine that Could' tactic in the long haul seeing how it's holding steady even better than Wonka. If they do that, while they likely won't beat the Lorax, Universal can atleast say they beat Aquaman 2 (even if just slightly) for a film just 1/3 the budget, which is amazing for studios at the moment.
Freddys is the King of 2nd weekend Drops
I know I might be in the minority but I really liked your reviews of animes you watched (it's not always you get a new perspective). I know you have lots of stuff to review and watch (I love watching you charts and movie reviews) but I hope you find time to finish animes you started and make reviews this year😊🎉
Agreed! I have fallen out of anime and I would like to come back. I think a fresh view would help me regain my enthusiasm!
Good to see your arms again Lt. Dan! 😂 Thanks for the great content - awesome episode!
Hey Dan, love the show, good analysis, but I have a suggestion: would it be a useful supplement to the Road To Recovery chart if you showed cumulative box office totals alongside the rolling weekly results? I've seen industry analysis from other sources cite the total yearly takes a lot... just a thought!
I hope you hit 1 million subscribers this year. Happy new year Dan🎉
3 SRK led movies in Limited Release List
Dan, there must be a mistake on the Road To Recovery chart. That spike at the end of the year moved to the left in a way that doesn’t make sense, when you include 2023 into the red line. Are you sure you haven’t missed a cell in your spreadsheet or something?
The Illumination charts are interesting. Two movies released in 2023, one is their best release ever, one is their worst (so far). Truly for Illumination, 2023 "was the best of times, it was the worst of times."
Thank you for a great year of videos, Dan!
How the fuck does Ferrari cost a HUNDRED MILLION? This whole system is completely unsustainable and deserves to completely collapse and restart. 15 years ago Ferrari would have cost 30, and no inflation doesnt cover it.
I ask the same question about Martin Scorcese's last films which cost double that amount! Like where is that money going? Yes his films are long, but Hunger Games BOSS isn't exactly a short film either. Almost half a hour longer than Ferrari! Yet Hunger Games BOSS and Ferrari cost the same to make despite Hunger Games BOSS looks way more expensive. Clearly some directors know how to make use of their budget while others treat their films like they have a blank check to them.
Please don’t sell Paramount! Competition makes things better. I miss Fox since Disney acquired them. This is why I root for the Lionsgates, A24s, Angel Studios, etc of the world to do well. No monopolies please.
There was a time back in the 1970s, 80s and 90s when Universal and Paramount regularly dominated the box office. The idea that Disney would dominate seemed very slim. Then Warner Bros dominated in the 2000s and then Disney in the 2010s. It could be a new Universal era of dominance in the future.
"The Scream franchise just imploded" Yes, but that doesn't take away that Scream VI was highly profitable in the year 2023. So it definitely helped Paramount. It's just that they have to figure out how they approach the future of the franchise. Also, should I have my comment start with "Well, wait a minute"? Love how often you say that
Fantabulous et cetera 😂
Like you said, "Hollywood would love to have a weekend like 1995." Sure, then make movies like it's 1995!! Originality! Low cost productions! Movies for specific quadrants of people! 2024 is a bleak lineup of prequels and largely uninteresting sequels. If they want business like the 90s, they need to provide a better product.
There's plenty of interesting projects coming out. Audiences just don't show up as much.
That 23 years chart of box office revenue.... Auch
but Paramount has Top Gun Maverick and almost all of Star Trek. I hope they stick around and Disney doesn't buy and ruin them.
Paramount is also futzing around w/ taking Trek shows off of streaming to save tax dollars...so I have little to zero confidence in their ability to effectively manage their IPs.
New year of great movie videos let's go!!!🎉
The Holdovers or Iron Claw should have been the Christmas season movie. They were genuinely good.