Derminator 2 vs Dr. Pen: At-home Microneedling review and tutorial
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- In this review I discuss the pros and cons of the Derminator 2 microneedling device as compared to the Dr. Pen. I received the Derminator 2 from Vaughter Wellness as a gift, but the opinions in this review are my own. I used a sterile hyaluronic acid and peptide serum from Dermaheal.
If you are interested in purchasing the Derminator 2, you can do so here:
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Here is a link to information about the hyaluronic acid serum I used from Dermaheal:
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I receive no compensation for posting this review or link. I am not an affiliate of Vaughter Wellness or Dermaheal.
**Warning** there is some minor bleeding in this video.
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Great review, thank you! You used a perfect circling technique.
Just some remarks:
- It is not required to keep the machine turned off before you start needling to prevent the magnet from flying out, it's actually only required to power-cycle the machine when you change the number of needles, because the machine asks how many needles are in the cartridge when it's turned on only. The machine needs to know what cartridge is mounted in order for proper depth- and timer function, since the timer is not really a timer but an expert that knows how many pricks/inch or cm are required for the chosen speed and surface area and it will needle until that prick density is achieved, based on the current (also when you change it) needling speed, the number of needles in the cartridge and the skin area you programmed it with.
- Indeed, when you start needling but there is no cartridge present, the magnet flies out with surprising speed and you may lose it - it's BLACK nowadays (Teflon coating) and made by the same company that makes the magnets for the motors in Tesla cars.
- The motor is not in the console unit but the entire hand unit is one huge motor. The console unit contains a medical-rated power supply and a computer mainboard. The hand unit is heavy-ish because it consists of a large copper coil around the strongest magnet that can be produced, which is required so that it has so much power that it can move the needles very rapidly in and out of the skin (short duty-cycle and therefore strong g-forces required), which avoids not only most pain but especially the microtearing all the other other machines suffer from. The powerful motor also makes the device noisier than those Chinese "buzzers" (all other machines are Chinese repurposed permanent makeup pens and not safe or effective dermaneedling devices.)
Those "buzzers" work more like little sewing machines and have such little power that the ones with the weakest motors don't need more power than comes from a small rechargeable battery. Our machine's console unit contains a very powerful, medical-rated power supply so the entire machine basically is a big motor/power supply with a tiny computer + magnetic field sensor (for accurate depth control).
Thanks for that explanation, Sarah! I can definitely tell that the motor on the Derminator is powerful. It’s a great device!
I've been trying to purchase the derminator 2 for quite some time and have been denied. I've emailed you guys and no response. What's the deal?
@@sergbarrose1474 We have no record of anyone with your name ever having contacted our support or emailing us, neither has that (sur)name ever attempted to place an order with us.. Please communicate with us via owndoc.support and specify "denied". Payment rejected? Address not accepted? Blocked by our store? IP geoblock?
@@sergbarrose1474 did u ever find a solution? mine too got rejected. ima try a diff credit card tommrow
are their any tutorial vids about this?
omg thank you so much - this is the exact video I was fishing around for! I've been sold on the science and professional quality of the Derminator for a while and I'm just about to order so of course getting nervous and going in and double checking. The problem is that DR Pen and all of those guys are paying so many UA-camrs so you can't get anyone to give an honest comparison/review. They're all on the payroll lol! Hey they other thing about your neck - that Turkey thing is actually muscles that are slacking - platysmal bands - so you won't affect them with microneedling. Try a machine with microcurrent - Myolift seems to be a decent grade one for at home use. Microcurrent helps to retrain muscles to either relax (forehead wrinkles and the 11s) or to contract, like those lazy platysmal bands and other neck and jawline muscles.
I am very curious about the Myolift and have considered purchasing. I just don’t know if I will use it as frequently as is necessary… that’s always the issue with these devices - you have to ask yourself “will I actually use this enough to make a difference?” That’s why I love microneedling - big payoff for minimal time
@@CollagenLab You might invest in the MiTAMA microcurrent device; it is wonderful & super easy to use!!! I love it, & use it twice a week (although you only need to use it once a week according to instructions.)
@@valentina-pg4bj I haven’t tried microcurrent. I’m curious but the medical evidence isn’t great… what benefits do you see from microcurrent?
She litterally said in her video she got it for free from the company, and you comment about conflicts of interest? lol
@@alexd7977 Good catch. Also worth pointing out, the company behind the derminator is run by sociopaths who threaten their customers with doxing if they ever get the idea of posting bad reviews or even merely upsetting the owner.
No wonder they can't get many actual customers to give their honest opinion on UA-cam.
Finally, note that the only other microneedling devices she's ever used on this channel are a dermaroller and dermastamp
If I have it on the 1.5 mm setting, how often can I use the Derminator? More Plates More Dates uses it on his hairline every week so I'm curious
1.5 mm is pretty deep for regular treatments. I would stick to 0.5 mm once a week. Anything deeper can disrupt the healing process.
so after u use it do u just take a shower? i'm about to order the derminator 2 for my hairline. i'm wondering if u can get infected after using it on ur head. also, did u order additional needles when u ordered ur dermintor? how has the 1.5mm setting been going for u? do you reuse the same needle?
Well, if you do 1.5mm depth I'd do it not more than once every 3 weeks. The skin needs enough time to recover with that length.
@@Micha-uy9xd agreed!
@@CollagenLab I believe the purpose behind the greater depth in the hair-loss community is precisely to disrupt the healing process. Hairliciously, The Hair Loss Show (Australian Doctors) and More Plates More Dates have detailed in their videos on derma-rolling and micro-needling that the idea behind their projects and self-focused trials is to cause damage in order to incur growth later on.
ua-cam.com/video/QdL_JzCxABM/v-deo.html
Past studies and clinical trials as well as anecdotal freak accidents have reflected the efficaciousness of this approach.
Title should be - DERMINATOR 2 tutorial . You didn’t compare the 2 brands at all .
She obviously knows the results dr. Pen were giving her, so that's an experience based comparison.
@@Eldorado66 Strange that there is not a Dr. Pen video in her library.
Could u post a vid showing the machine and programming the settings? It deems complicated figuring out .
I agree...not comparing at all
So happy to have you back!
Happy to be back! 😊
Thank you for the tutorial. I want to purchase this device but I'm still wondering about a few things you mention in your comment replies below. I would be very thankful for the information as the more I read in the comments below, the more unsure I became about a few things. What is this barrier cream you refer to? What is it for, what kind do you recommend, and when do you use it? The serum you apply in the video has a retail price of $2,800 or a discount price of $1,700. YIKES! The alternative you mention uses human stem cells/growth factors from bone marrow... not so sure about that. Is there an alternative you could recommend in a better price range that would be safe for the deeper depths(1.5), and doesn't originate from human bone marrow? Also, the Eunyul Daily Care Face Mist you use in the video comes in three different types(collagen, aloe, or hyaluronic). Which one are you using? Last question... you mention a few times below that you sometimes use PRP/PRF when doing this treatment. Are you actually having your blood drawn, then spun to produce PRP or PRF and then somehow using that during your treatment? Could you please explain a little more about that? Thank you so much.
Use the ordinary hylauronic acid
You don't need any fancy costly serums
I just purchased this device. Excited to get it and try it on myself
Great Video! Totally agree the Derminator is far superior. No scratching and tearing. Can you please post the spray you were using? Thx!
That was a mistake I meant the Derminator is far superior.
Hi Theresa! Thanks for your comment. I use a mist from a Korean company called Eunyul. It's called Daily Care Face Mist. It's not a sterile solution, but it contains mostly natural ingredients.
Don't be scared, -Sarah- Frank won't hurt you here 😄
@@maloxi1472😂
Great videos. Really helped me learn the practical aspects. I'm launching PRP clinics in the Caribbean so these videos were super timely to find.
(You look like you're in your late 20s/early 30s.... kudos on the end results!)
Appreciate your feedback!
I think both are good for diffrent reasons. If my bf is asleep, I can't use the derminator in our room 😂
Derminator is better if your going above 1mm in my opinion, it's got the power for it. And Dr pen is better for noise and shallow needling and travel.
I agree 💯
Also - Derminator is SO loud
@@CollagenLab it is. If I've got my window open, people downstairs can hear it.
Great video, wonderful explanation and demonstration. Just a question, is the HA you put on your face also the numbing treatment you talked about? Also can you use this device on your scalp for hair loss treatments? Thanks again and I now I subscriber to your channel.
Hi Nancy, I’m glad this video was helpful. No, the HA and numbing cream are different. I make sure the numbing cream is completely removed before microneedling (I sterilize my skin after removing the numb cream). The HA helps the needle glide over the skin.
Yes, you can use the Derminator on your scalp, but I haven’t tried.
How much needles does it come with
Great video! I was wondering though if the Dermaheal comes with the syringe that you used and what exactly are you spraying on your face?
What product do you use for numbing the sking?
But what about Derminator vs microneedling like the Procell?
Hello! I just received my Derminator! I was wondering what store do you use to purchase the Dermaheal HSR? Thanks!
How many times would you use a cartridge before you replace it? Also, why wouldn’t you always use the highest needle count cartridge to get done faster, are there pro’s and cons for using different needle counts?
If I’m using PRF I always discard the needle cartridge after one use. You could probably reuse a cartridge after proper sterilization (soak in alcohol for at least 10 mins after use, spray with alcohol before use) about 3-4 times. The reason I prefer a cartridge with a lower needle count is you actually get better penetration with fewer needles. When you have more needles close together it’s like a bed of nails - the force is distributed evenly across your skin preventing the needles from penetrating. I’ve experienced scratching from cartridges with higher needle counts. Hope this helps!
What is the numbing solution you use and the spray? Thank you!
1:59 Unless it's some kind of hydraulics based device, the "motor" is most certainly not there
what is a simple method of post care? wipe with alcohol wipe? rinse with water? just take a shower? thanks!!
If you’re using PRF or PRP, I leave it on for a few hours. If you’re just microneedling with a serum, just use water to wash your face for the first 24 hours. I wouldn’t use alcohol - you want to minimize the amount of dehydration. Try to use a hyaluronic acid and a barrier cream for the first 3 days.
hello, which numb cream do you recommend. Thank you for the video
could I know to what dr pen device do you compare the derminator?
She won't tell you, for obvious reasons 😉
Can you post the link for the derminator 2 please? I am not sure which cite is real or fake when ordering this device? I can't find the link on your page. Thank you in advance.
I just got my derminator 2! I love it! Question, where do you buy replacement 12 pin cartridges from? Do you have to buy it from the site?
The people at Derminator say their needle cartridges are superior, even though needle cartridges for the Dr Pen technically fit into the device. Personally, I can’t see a difference.
@@CollagenLab Thank you so much for your reply :) That is great to know! I just didn't want to have to wait a while for shipping every time I needed a new cartridge! Thank you again :)
@@danielchowaniec4203 hey man the website where u buy it from looks a bit dodgy not gonna lie, what was ur experience when purchasing the derminator
Did it take you a long time to get it? Did you find the website reputable, as far as legitimate?
@@susanyakus3879 Hi! It took about a month to get! I absolutely love it!!!
Can we use skin booster instead of sterile hylaronic acid?
is the derminator 2 good for those turkey neck lines or wrinkly neck skin?
I really wanted to order a derminator but those people sound CRAZY. I wish there was a third party website to order from.
@@TheCatsafrican no they are crazy. there is tons of people on reddit talking about how nuts they are and how even when people simply check up on their product and why they haven't received it yet the company black lists them. You just have to cross your fingers and hope you don't ger screwed or doxed by the company. They are freaken nuts.
@@AwesomeMan2696I just purchased the product recently and had NO issues at all. I received it in just a few weeks. Not everyone’s experience may be the same but try to be more kind! The product is fabulous and well made. Nothing else I have found even compares.
@@AwesomeMan2696I've been a customer for years (the sell silicone sheets, serums, etc.) and I've never had a problem with them. I have always received their packages, the products have been sealed, etc. I have their derminator and it is very easy to use.
I have bought other things from them for years and emailed Sarah Vaughtner, I like her. She is genuine, ethical, intelligent, fed up with silly people. She was kind and lovely and sensible in our chat emails.
I'm going to purchase one of these. They look very good. But can I ask if you Micro needle your Nose and Lips? How come you didn't in this video. Many thanks. X
I don’t microneedle my nose or lips. The area on the nose is too thin (for me) and lips are too delicate for the Derminator. I have used the Dr Pen on my lips since it’s more gentle.
@@CollagenLab Thank you :)
u should never micro need around your eyes (above the cheek bone) or lips
Will it cause micro tear if you move it or use it in circular motion?
Knowing the kind of customer intimidation tactics that OwnDoc is reputed for, there is no way in Hell they'd be okay with an actual user of their product, which you clearly are not, giving their honest opinion online unless that opinion is overwhelmingly positive
Hi there, I purchased the same machine and I would like to know what did you used to clean your face after removing the numbing cream and where did you buy that needle syringe to put Hyaluronic acid on your face? Thank you so much.
The music is too loud and distracting when you’re talking.
TBH I Didn't even notice any music until you mentioned it. Personally I wouldn't say it's loud.
What numbing agent did you use?
Thanks 🙏 very informative video
very helpful - thanks. What kind of numbing cream do you use?
I’ve used a prescription numbing cream in the past, but I’ve been microneedling without numbing more and more. If I stay under 1.0 (which most people should), it’s very tolerable.
@@CollagenLab thanks! appreciate the info :)
@@CollagenLab It's crazy that you micro 1.5 (or even 1.0) on the face. I do 1.5 on the scalp and it hurts like hell, and the scalp is much thicker than the face, which has the thinnest skin on the whole body.
Thanks for this. Im planning to microneedle my scalp, can I then move straight on to my face? Cheers!
Maybe start on your face then move to scalp? If you’re going to start on scalp, clean your needle cartridge before moving to your face. Good luck!
Where do you purchase your dermaheal? The link provided does not include anywhere to purchase and some of the online sources seem a bit un-reputable.
Here's a link to purchase Dermaheal on Amazon. I'm not an affiliate. www.amazon.com/Caregen-Dermaheal-HSR/dp/B081MVC2KP/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=dermaheal&qid=1620957771&sr=8-11
What do you use to numb your face? I've not used devices before, just derma rollers and use .25. I used .5 once and it kinda hurt.
Do you sterilise the needles before using it?
If I’m using a fresh needle out of the package, I often don’t bother sterilizing because they come sterilized. If I’m reusing a needle cartridge (only after doing light microneedling without PRP or PRF - ie no blood), then I will sterilize the needle cartridge before and after I use it by soaking it in isopropyl alcohol for 15 mins.
Hi I wanted to know what is the minimum setting 0.5 mm or even less?
0.25 mm 😊
Which needle cartridge did you use?
I used the 16 pt cartridge
as a numbing cream, would Dr.Numb 5% numbing cream be ok to use on the face for derma needing? I am a bit worried about the preservatives in that cream. I can't get any other numbing cream .
How often is it recommended to use this on your face (not seeking medical advice obviously, just looking for a good starting point)?
Every 6-8 weeks.
I ordered this device as well. Can I use it around eyes area as well?
Yes, at lower depths (0.25)
Can you use Retin-A after a micro-needling treatment?
Yes, but wait at least two days. Vitamin A is great for healing your skin after microneedling. Just make sure to go slow
it comes with needles right? or do u gotta buy that seperatly?
It comes with a single needle, nine point needle and a 12 point needle. Once you use them a couple of times you need to replace them and you can buy them from the same site
i just ordered the Derminator 2 for me and my wife.. i will use on my face and also my scalp for hairloss.. I just realized i should have bought more needles... Can someone recommend which ones to buy and how many.. Would rather stock up since it takes so long to get.
i ordered 6 piece 9 needles and 6 piece 12 needles, should be enough for an year
@@rodab3546 What is the difference between the 9 and the 12 needles? More coverage?
@@susanyakus3879 9 is better if you go deep.
And yes, 12 is more coverage, more holes per rpm
where did u order ur needles from? i'm about to buy the derminator 2
Are you still a fan of derminator?
I am! I just used it in my most recent video. I use my Derminator mostly for deeper treatments.
I really want this but I am scare to an infection and things like that. Have you got an infection from breaking the skin barrier?
Never had an infection. Just start slow - no deeper than 0.5 mm for your first few treatments. I use a barrier cream with centella asiatica to protect my skin barrier.
which numbing creme did you use in this video ? thank you
I used a prescription numbing cream
Can I just use the throw away kitchen prep gloves? Any difference? Is there anyone who should not use the Derminator for their skin?
disposable kitchen gloves are fine, that's what I use. If you have a tendency to develop keloid scars, I would not use the Derminator. Otherwise, I think it's safe for most people to use, within limits. It is very powerful, most people should not go above 0.5 mm until their skin thickens and can tolerate deeper treatments. In most situations and for inexperienced users, 0.5 mm should be sufficient.
i wonder how to use a derminator for the scalp
I would try using a stamping method on the scalp where there’s hair. If there’s no hair, small circles. Eventually I’ll do a tutorial with my husband
look at 'more plates more dates' youtube channel on his hair loss prevention, he uses it for his hair and he claims it is effective for his hair growth
How many times can you reuse the same cartridge for the Derminator if at all? Wanna use it on my scalp 1x/week.
Technically you should only use it once. If you sterilize the cartridge (boiling water, followed by alcohol), you can probably get two uses
How many times should you go around the same area?
I use the colour of my skin as a guide. I like to make sure all areas are pink, but not red or raw. If you use numbing cream you need to be more careful since you may not have much sensation to tell if you should stop. Always best to err on the side of caution.
Just wondering how long it took to get, I was looking to order and it says it could take 90 days to receive.
They’re coming from Europe. Mine took 10 days to get to Hong Kong. I think 2 weeks to most destinations is reasonable to expect. The customer service team is pretty helpful.
@@CollagenLab thank you
How is it without numbing?
Have you ever tryed?
Hi! Yes, I have tried - I have another video coming out shortly where I use the Derminator 2 with no numbing whatsoever. It's very tolerable. I used it at a depth of 0.5 - 1.0 mm and it was fine. I suggest starting low and working up a tolerance.
What numbing serum did you use?
I use a prescription strength numbing cream made at a chemist
Can you suggest and recommend me a numbing cream please ?
numbing creams really depend on where you live - I would look for a cream that has 5% or greater lidocaine.
What depth is equal to a nano needling? 0.5? Can this be done once a week? If only at this depth, can I use moisturizer that night?
Nano needling does not penetrate the skin at all. Using pressure, the cartridge (no needles) pushes your topical products deeper into the stratum corneum, but no deeper.
You can nano needle as often as you like with your everyday skincare products.
@@CollagenLab Can nano needling be done with the Derminator? What setting and is there a nano cartridge?
Where can you purchase the derminator 2?
You can purchase from the manufacturer on their website: www.derminator.com
How often do you do your treatments?
With PRP and PRF I usually do a treatment every 6 weeks for the past year. I try to do a lighter micro needling treatment in between treatments.
Thanks! You do such a great job with all the details in the video and the results speak for themselves, you look terrific!
Price..
good review
Thank you!
Except it wasn’t a comparison.
How old are you?
How do you order the derma heal
I bought mine here: www.strawberrynet.com/en-hk/m/dermaheal-hsr-hyaluronic-acid-skin-rejuvenating-biological-sterilized-solution-10x5ml-0-17oz/191186/
But if you’re looking for a good product to use with microneedling, I would recommend AnteAGE products. They don’t contain any ingredients that’s are not already native to the human body. You can find them here: anteage.com/products/anteage-home-microneedling-solution-box-5
Thank you so much for your response. I appreciate it 😊
Do you apply the ante age before or after
Dr.pen is junk. I had 2 Dr.pen M8 devices that both broke. The first lasted a year, so was past the warranty period. The 2nd one only lasted 6 months. But, to use the warranty I either had to pay $45 for a replacement or ship the broken device to China for repair, which is about the same price. So, the Warranty is not that good. At least that's how it was from where I bought it. Every seller will be different. The warranty isn't from the manufacturer. So, I got a Derminator2 now.
Shes cute
So is this something you can do even after you've had Botox? I'm not asking immediately after...but just if anyone has used both methods and what was the experience?
Yes, you can microneedle after your Botox sets in
Hello, what's the warranty on this machine? Thanks
Haha the motor is not in the case lol