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The Science of Body Dysmorphia | Sci Guys Podcast
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2022
- Body Dysmorphic Disorder is a condition that most people have heard of, but they may not understand it as well as they think... This week, we take a dive into BDD & find out what it is, how it's treated, and more...
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What’s your favourite feature of yourself?
leg hair
My eyes. Blue hazel. Love the shifting of colors. From grey to turquoise
My eye colour - I have central heterochromia, which means that the inner part of my irises directly around the pupil have a different colour than the outer part. And my hair because it's not too think or too thin and has a nice colour and under the right light some of it looks like copper reflecting in sunlight 😃
I quite like my hands. Long fingers and wrists, good for playing the piano. And most of my arms cos they're slender-ish (I like the hair on them too) , I'm insecure often about the rest of my body being slim so I like that they are at least. Ahaha no, I've managed to make this negative sorry. I like my long hair too, I just like the feeling of having lots of hair haha.
cheekbones
I have both body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria, but I mistook the latter for the former because I didn't know how to tell the difference. I eventually realized I was deflecting because I was in denial. My dysmorphia primarily stemmed from being overweight, but I found that even after I'd gotten down to a healthier weight, my body image issues persisted. The key difference between dysmorphia and dysphoria is that people with body dysmorphia have an unrealistic image of their bodies and how others perceive them, along with unrealistic expectations for what they should look like. Gender dysphoria however is based on being acutely aware of what one's body actually looks like and what it communicates to others in terms of societal gender categories. If you have both, it can be very confusing to navigate between them, but there are ways to tell them apart.
as someone with body dysmorphia, dysphoria and a history with eds, this episode was super educational and i hope others gain a bit of knowledge on these misunderstood issues :)
My favorite feature about myself is my naturally athletic build. As an AFAB non-binary, being strong and muscular helps me feel less femme and I’ve always liked that about myself.
As someone who struggles with A Lot of self image issues.... a favorite feature is very hard to come up with. Physically especially. I'll go with my creativity though, I do like that about myself.
Great episode! I definitely learned a lot, that statistic about people with BDD dropping out of school was really horrifying. I think many people (including myself) underestimate just how much of an impact body image issues can have on people’s day to day life
25:00 As a person with diagnosed anorexia and a watcher of this Podcast, I can share my experience.
I have never seen myself as especially fat. I was actually aware I was skinny, but I felt that some parts of my body were looking fat (especially my neck which I still have problems with). I knew I was skinny and I was proud of it, but for some reason I was envious of fatter people because I thought that they look good being overweight (also, just a little note, I had BMI 13 for a while, so being "fat" in my eyes at the time could be literally still being underweight). I think I've seen people as they are, but I was just focusing more on natural body fat, which was driving me crazy.
The maxilla is actually the upper jaw bone (the one that holds your upper row of teeth), mandibula is the lower one (the one you can move and has the 'jawline')
Thanks for the correction!
Just found the show over the past few days and I'm really loving it! Your episodes on transgenderism (for lack of a better word) and gender identity have been really helpful as I've just come to terms with being trans myself; so thank you!! I'd love to hear an episode on executive dysfunction. It's something that I don't think gets talked about all that much but it affects my life hugely, and I know it affects a lot of others as well.
my ed and body dysmorphia having ass finally feels…heard and justified?? by people who aren’t my therapist?? Watch me send this to my mom lmao
fav feature: my eye brows, they’re noice and thicc.
i've been struggling with eds and body dysmorphia for most of my life, it's kinda nice i think to hear about the actual symptoms and realize how it's not that normal lol i feel like my brain is just working this way but thinking about the fact that all of it is a disorder is a relief, it's like yeah, actually maybe i can move past it someday, maybe i can stop thinking about my body this way. anyway, thanks for tackling subjects like this one, i find it truly helpful and educational, as well as non-judgmental (which is rare so yeah tks) :)
For the question: I like my eye colour and my hair 😀
As someone who previously had body dysmorphia, I can say luke's theory about perceiving yourself in the mirror is correct
Thanks for this video. It’s very difficult with this disorder, I have suffered for years my whole youth was victim to it. At the moment I am probably in relapse [due to relationship betrayal trauma], bc my face is different in the mirror and I do not look like myself. My self esteem is way down at the moment.
I feel like body dysmorphia could be quite high among the elderly, like being surprised when you look I the mirror, expecting a different version of you and societies ageism impacting how you are perceived
I have a coworker who is insecure about their teeth. I seriously never would have noticed if they didn't point it out.
Luke is definitely Luke-in' real good.
....ok Ive considered a lot if i have BDD in the past but kept brushing it off and the fact that while listening to this and it prompted me to think about how i looked and I really couldn't stop myself from then taking about 25 face-checking photos while listening.......
I think you might be underestimating how many of those people actually have body dysmorphia
I cant wait for my universal credit to come in so i can get sci guys after dark again 😅 it was a non essential i had to cut but should be able to afford it again soon! I will have a few to catch up on! Honestly i literally prefer it to the main show, only because i love you guys just ranting about your opinions 😁
Watching this video and nodding so much in agreement that your head feels like it's going to fall off. Also, body dysmorphia is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
Very important episode and I'm glad it is a topic that is having more awareness drawn to it, but admittedly it drove me a bit crazy when they were discussing the discontinuity between reality and the perception of the person suffering from body dysmorphia. I think it would have been really beneficial for this episode if they had managed to find someone who has it to be included/interviewed for this episode. As someone who has struggled with this disorder for many years, I'll try to do my best to explain my lived experience with it and hopefully that will help clarify what someone with BDD sees in the mirror.
As the Sci Guys stated, this is a disorder that impacts you much more often than you might think. I am near constantly worried about what I look like and any chance I get I am trying to catch a glimpse of myself to "reassure" myself that I look the way I think I should (or that my "flaws" aren't super noticeable). I think near constantly about the thing I am worrying about, and am hyper-aware of whether or not others can see it to. There are days when I can mostly get through the day okay, and there are days where I am too afraid to go outside because I have tried on every article of clothing in my closet or have tried to conceal my pimples or scars as much as I can and it still isn't good enough. That I am terrified to be seen by anyone, friend or stranger, because I am just so distressed about what I think I look like that day and it is a monumental task to go to class, work or even the grocery store. (I have gone without groceries for many days because I just couldn't get out the door)*
At least in my experience, I can see what I look like just fine. I am not "hallucinating" flaws that aren't really there. It's more that my opinion or level of comfort with my outward appearance fluctuates day to day. I can look at myself in the mirror and know objectively that I am traditionally attractive; I have all the features for it, but for some reason or another I am /convinced/ that something is wrong. Like all the little parts that make up myself are like puzzle pieces: they all seem fine on their own but when you go to put them all together, something is just deeply off about it all but it's hard to put your finger on just what that is.
Because it's so hard to pinpoint (because nothing about this is logical healthy) you become convinced it's this one small thing (ex: a pimple, the way those jeans hit your ankle, the slope of your nose, the relative proportion of your torso to the rest of you, the random scar on your arm, etc.) and if you could just fix it then maybe then things will be okay, maybe then you won't feel like you're walking on eggshells waiting for the floor to drop out from underneath you.
I can be obsessed with multiple things at once and I can be obsessed with how it all comes together to form my appearance overall; the part (in my opinion and my experience) that matters most is that it is generally illogical and that the worry is often disproportionately large considering the perceived "blemish" or negative outward projection.
I did really like how it was also pointed out in the episode that many of these obsessions that you have about your own appearance do not apply to others. I can obsess about whether or not my hair looks good enough that day and then see someone pass by in a greasy, messy bun and not think anything of it or judge them for it (but I would be terrified to be perceived with my hair that way). It's very frustrating because it makes me feel like an asshole since I put so much emphasis on these things for me, which can be hard to explain to others without coming across as if I judge them negatively when they exhibit those same "flaws". Wonderful episode guys and thanks again for discussing the topic. I always love how much research goes into these, and even when none of you guys have lived experience with the topic and there isn't a guest to help inform the discussion, you still manage to present a well-rounded view of the topic despite being a bit confused about some of the nuances. Looking forward to your next upload as always! :)
*I wanted to clarify that this is decidedly different from agoraphobia. The two might be co-morbid for some, but my difficulty leaving my house is not due to having a crippling fear of something or other that awaits me beyond my doorstep or perceived "safe space", but it is specifically surrounding my fear of seeing others (and in turn them seeing me) and of their perceptions of me, specifically trying to at all costs prevent them from seeing whatever part of me I currently am worried about. (I apologize to anyone with agoraphobia if my understanding of it is misinformed, and I welcome any comments from those with agoraphobia or with more knowledge on it to clarify what I might have gotten wrong)
Thank you for sharing!
i don't have any more words from my experience to add to yours. it's hard for me to find the words. thank you so much for putting this out there. i love you (from one internet stranger to another)
My favourite part of myself is difficult to answer, probably my calf bc it looks the most normal.
I find it interesting when things are linked. My experience makes more sense when I found out that autistic women are far more likely to have anorexia than neurotypicals. Since we can't control how others perceive us, it's one way we "take back control". It's also something to focus on so we don't have to feel bad about other things . . .things we can't control like how neurotypicals perceive us. I found it helped them perceive me as a person. Before, I felt they saw me as an alien or robot and didn't care about me. It's sad that people have to starve themselves for others to care. I think it's a societal issue. People need to treat each other better and not as monsters. What is it called when you think you look good or okay until you see a mirror, a picture, or listen to other's comments about you? The opposite of body dysmorphia? I think I have that. 😂
I refuse to call average looking men handsome because no one calls us average looking women gorgeous. 🤓Women are held to a much higher standard. I think that's why we have more body dysmorphia. I don't think men wanting to be in shape and muscular is all body dysmorphia. Otherwise, 99% of women also have it because most women want to be in shape and attempt to improve. Only the men who are so obsessed, they take steroids to get bigger and think they aren't overdoing it are the ones I would say have body dysmorphia as well as some men who have the classic signs the same as women. There are women who are obsessed with gaining muscle (see female body builders) so again, I still think women make up a higher percentage. We are only valued for our youth and looks, whereas men are valued for their skills and personality. It's societal, but women are affected far more because of the misogyny in our society.
I do really like my ribcage (it's sort of caved in on one side which looks kinda cool)
don't really dig the Tatas tho :-) I'm incredibly excited to see my full ribcage after topsurgery
Hey Not Corry, and friends! For starters, I'm AFAB and still look female to everyone pretty much. I believe that I've been nonbinary for a while, however, I don't care on the pronouns matter. Any/all. So, I took a gender dysphoria test recently and it said that I do NOT have any gender dysphoria. I got 90 something out of 135. The way it works is, if you get less than 80, you have gender dysphoria. I have NOT been diagnosed with body dysmorphia, but I am pretty sure I have it. I've wanted muscle mass like crazy, but I'm afraid of looking TOO big. I'm not going to eat raw eggs or any of that, I might try to go to get dumbbells, just to exercise what I already have so far. I also have wanted a flat chest sometimes, I have been flip-flopping on the idea since I have rather large breasts... Sometimes the bras I have do not fit completely and it's completely frustrating! Another insecurity I have about my body is my freckles/pimples on my arms. I believe it could be a type of skin something-or-other, but it hasn't affected me negatively, I've just been seeing more freckles lately since aging. There are other insecurities I could go over, but I think that's something to go over by myself. However, it's nice to talk with someone who's listening. I guess I also don't like my belly/ wish it was gone. I just want to look completely flat in the torso/hip regions, and bulked up on top... not necessarily like a male... but something to that affect. I don't think I can take testosterone yet because I feel that since my Dad had passed away at 52 due to heart rupture, I may not be able to use T if I want a long healthy life. I hope that I didn't inherit his heart. Doctors and such SAY that my heart scans are completely normal, but I have always worried about it. Considering stopping taking caffeine, unless I absolutely need it. Okay bye!~
My favourite feature about me are my eyess. They are brown and to some people they might be plain and normal, but their shape is so cool to me. I think they give me a lot of personality and make me unique :)
But, sadly, that is only thing I truly like about myself. I really struggle with self-image and self esteem.
i like my hands!! i make a lot of stuff with them and i also play instruments so yeah my hands are a big part of what i enjoy doing. when i first had gender dysphoria i mistook it for body dysmorphia but i slowly realized it wasn't (i think i was also trying to deny that i had gender dysphoria) so yeah this episode was helpful and helped me understand it more
I wouldn't wish bdd on my worst enemy. It's horrible. You feel like you're deformed and EVERYONE else is normal.
I suffer with severe BDD ... IM 63 and have battled it since about 11 years old ... I'm 5'2 and weigh 112lbs when I look in the mirror I see a short fat lady ... I buy XXL clothes because I think my size is mega ... Then I can't wear them cuz they are huge ... And yea I pick ... I purge ... I withhold food and water , abused laxatives ... To try to drive my weight down but it's never enuf ... I'm in therapy it's getting a little better but BDD has dictated my life forever
Hey! I have had bdd for basically my whole life. And, I can’t seem to find it rn, but I think there’s actually been some research done that suggests people with bdd’s eyes tend to follow different patterns while seeing their and other people’s faces, when compared to ‘non-bdd brains’, which see mostly in a triangle pattern between the eyes and mouth (I’ll link to it when I find it, but people with bdd seem to tend to see in a more chaotic ‘order’, basically. Similar to what Luke was describing at 3:20, aprox, as I understand).
Edit: Found the link! The reporting is by abc science (Dr. Susan Rossell is the one conducting it) and I think the results are not as definitive as I remembered. But it seems interesting, still, imo:
ua-cam.com/video/vf4Sigud3Pw/v-deo.html
Are you insinuating that Shrek is anything other than perfect
This is slander
Harry potter has a scar lolol
i love my eyes lips nose and curls
I dont usually comment but had to because you asked how we see Luke. Luke is hot AF to me. Thanks for another great episode!
I had a maxillofacial surgeon to put my titanium plates in to hold my jaw together after my car accident
you should talk about imposter syndrome and having other mental stuf and being in denial of having that mental thing or being trans and being in denial because it (sorry if i said something wrong im uneducated on this topic thats why im asking and im a minor)
Cw mention of the word cancer but not actually a diagnosis of it. Incorrect referral.
I was referred to the maxillofacial department from my dentist. Turns out i had something in my sinuses, like a small growth or something. And the dentist didnt tell me it was an urgent cancer referral. The maxillofacial team did and told me it was all fine straight after 🙃 they looked in my mouth for like 2 seconds, and then said the xray is fine. The xray they received from the dentist. That appointment was so pointless. There were like 5 people in the room 🙃 no idea why. Perhaps in case it was cancer? Fuck knows.
Research how the DSM 5 , 4 and 3 was developed
my eyessss
Luke would look nice with brown hair
I lost the game again
Lukes hot
Agreed
My favorite feature my knees from being a figure skater my knees crack like glowsticks fun party trick 🥲