the problem with people without clinical depression just throwing around "I'm so depressed" because something mildly inconvenienced them or they're just sad, is that it adds to the romanticism of mental health illnesses and disorders, which is just like how people who don't have ocd say things like "Oh, I'm so od" just because they organise things a certain way
I mostly agree. Perhaps saying you’re “so depressed” is understandable even if it’s not clinical, similarly to saying you’re anxious without having an anxiety disorder. But, as someone with diagnosed ocd, it irks me when people say they’re “so ocd” for being organized. Same goes for people saying they’re “so add” for getting distracted easily. The difference could be that one is naming pretty common symptoms of life, while the other is using diagnosable mental disorders as descriptors for people that do not have them. Hope this makes sense :)
The other thing, which gets brought up a lot in ScI Guys episodes on disorders and mental illnesses, is that clinical conditions and disorders may have symptoms that many (or even most) people have experienced in their lives. Where it becomes a disorder or condition is when the symptoms and their severity/frequency impact a person's ability to live their life. So if someone says they feel depressed about something that made them sad, that can be an accurate description of how they feel. Whether or not they have clinical depression depends on the impact of those symptoms on their life.
I have bd and am currently having a manic episode. I stayed up all night doing crazy things with my friends and at the end of the night they were all tired and I felt nothing. I took a nap that day and then the next night I still didn't fall asleep until 5am. I feel almost no need for sleep and the only reason I do is because I know my body needs it and I love seeing what kind of crazy things my brain can make up in my dreams. I have very vivid dreams when I'm manic where I can feel sensations, I can have whole conversations, and I can smell things.
I have BD1, 6 weeks ago I when to watch Dr Strange on IMAX, didn’t know that I was under a manic episode (first one ever with full blown mania) and I was so hyper focused on the scenes that the screen twisted like Inception movie, the screen stood still in my eyes and the whole theater move like a fair ride for several seconds. I was euphoric and so high on mania, that pretty much watch the movie on 5D, feeling colors, experiencing the whole multiverse so deep that it was like having your soul and consciousness imbedded in the movie itself sorta like Virtual Reality without the goggles. IT WAS AWESOME!!! The serenity that I felt after the movie was over, changed my mindset about life, people and everything around for the better. I am a completely new person, with life saving trio; Psychiatrist, Medication and Psychologist therapy. I’m finally out of darkness and can see the a bright future is possible. Love You All ✌🏼
I have Bipolar II disorder and it was really great to hear you discuss it in such a scientific and thoughtful way. It was especially good to hear Luke’s experience with cyclothymia. Mental illness imo is portrayed very poorly in the media so having it approached this way was really refreshing
My therapist told me I was diagnosed with Anxiety. Then (few years later) I have a new therapist and they told me I have anxiety DISORDER and it triggered my anxiety and it was such a dumb thing to freak out over lmao. Im fine now because I was comfortable enough to tell her that it freaked me out and we got to chuckling about it now
One of the big things I’ve found with mixed episodes (having both (hypo)manic and depressive episodes at the same time) is rapid cycling. With that, depression and (hypo) manic symptoms tend to rapidly switch back and forth. For me, it’s been depressive symptoms in the morning then hypomanic symptoms in the afternoon then it just switches between the two back and forth. Also! I’ve found that another big symptom of (hypo)mania is aggression/irritability rather than just euphoria and hyperactivity. My main symptom of hypomania is actually that irritability! It’s like being on my period x10 😂
My mother and grandmother has Bipolar disorder type 1; both have been hospitalized for at least several days if not months at a time at least once a year. I have often wondered if the stress response to growing up with that person aides or triggers the gene. My mother was abused by my grandmother; and I was essentially neglected because she would be in hospital for weeks or months and I would be paying her bills to keep the lights on and the mobile home since I was 10. I have been diagnosed as well but thus far I am working and functioning.
I love when luke starts talking about mental health and philosophy for ages because this is 100% what i would do. This is the sort of stuff i end up getting into deep conversations about at house parties with like one person, ignoring all the other people partying 😂 i feel like we would get on
I know I’m quite late on this, but wanted to mention that the main distinction between Bipolar 1 and 2 is the manic vs hypomanic episodes, so the varying length (manic at least 7 days, hypomanic at least 4 days) and mania also included symptoms of psychosis, while hypomania does not. Mixed episodes (manic + depressed at the same time) is a separate specification (sort of like a subtype) that occurs in both bipolar 1 and 2. Also, interestingly, you can have the seemingly opposite symptoms at the same time. What this would look like is usually switching between one or the other throughout the episode (like for me I will switch between increased self importance and feelings of worthlessness within the episode) or they even mix together (for me, when I get that decreased need for sleep, but also tiredness from depression, it leaves me unable to sleep, but I still feel exhausted all of the time, yet I am still able to do things I usually wouldn’t otherwise be able, like an increase in productivity, but it’s drived by that restlessness and not necessarily having more energy because of the way those conflicting symptoms are mixing together).
I have bipolar 2 disorder and I was told that if I didn't get treatment that I would probably become type 1. My last hypomanic episode got scary when I thought I'd fly if I stepped of my balcony. Luckily I didn't because my train of thought was a mess. So yeah I was stepping into full blown mania and psychosis at the end. Thank God for medication and therapy haha. I still get mixed episodes and that's when I'm most vulnerable, my skin crawls and I have insatiable rage. It's when I'm likely to be risky or self harm. Even when I'm at baseline, anger and distress tolerance is my main problem. Just thought I'd help fill some gaps 😁
Mixed episodes are the destructive depressive thoughts that you get in a depressive swing but with all of the energy to carry them out. Very dangerous. It's really interesting stuff to think about.
@@SirSoup44 or, alternatively, it can be having all the inner energy to torture yourself with your own thought loops, all the desire to go take on the world, being flooded with dreams and ideas and then feeling like there’s cinder blocks tied to your limbs and you can’t do anything about all those spiraling thoughts
Hi Sci-Guys, would be great if you could do an episode on PTSD(acute, chronic and complex). There are a few different theories out there on why it develops in some and not others, would be great to hear your thoughts!
my mother and grandfather and (i think) his mother or father all have/had bipolar disorder but i never really new very much about it so this episode helped me learn about what it actually is.
This is the first time I've heard opposing views of impairment addressed. One person's impairment might not look like another person's impairment and sometimes impairment can be very hard to see. Thank you for tackling this topic with empathy!
the whole religion tangent you guys went into blew my tiny mind as someone who grew up as a pastors kid and was heavily influenced by the church and now leaving that scene and realising my mental health is an absolute shambles lmao
luke having cyclothmia is soo interesting and kinda odd to me because i just wasnt expected this episode to go like this and i dont know why other people arent as excited about it as i am.
When you were explaining the symptoms of the depression and then the mania, I related so hard. I’ve always thought I had BD, but I’ve always been scared to talk about it. I might try getting treatment thanks to this episode
Yes! Catching it early is key because it is a progressive disorder. Highly encourage you to talk to a doctor or psychiatrist even if you only think it could be a possibility!
Hey I think the thing Luke was discussing (about thought patterns splitting into a child, parent, adult) might be a reference to Internal Family Systems. I think its a form of trama therapy (incidently decently effective at treating trama) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Family_Systems_Model
I'm only 10 minutes in and everything you guys are saying it sounds EXACTLY like my childhood friend. She was tested for it but they said she didn't have it which was really weird to me. She has these spells where it gets so bad I genuinely can't be around her until its over. Last time it was bad I was told to drop out of college especially now that im goingfor psychiatry. I'm really wanting to learn more about how to deal with it. Just incase there's another overlap with one of her spells.
I was told I might have bipolar, but it was all academic because I am already on the medication that they would put me on. Quite often they use lamotrigine, which is used for epilepsy as well as bipolar. The reason they couldn't give me a definitive diagnosis is because when I get a potential manic episode I do far too much, which then ends in me having a seizure and knocking me out so the episode can't continue. It doesn't help that generally when my mood was messed up it was if I forgot to take my medication too often making me more likey to have seizures too. The fun of comorbid conditions :p
Fun fact: most Christians don't understand God in the same way that Jesus understood God and when making the current Bible they took out testaments and quotes from Jesus that would explain God more completely; spoiler alert, God is vibration, the quantum hologram that makes up 3D perception & the new testament talks about how we Create Our Reality and manifestation. TL;DR Jesus was a spiritually awakened guy who was tapped into source and wanted to empower people. Hope this helps and if you want to learn more, look at spirituality, quantum physics & Consciousness. Also look up Dr Joe Dispenza and the scale of consciousness
Yay they read my review!!
the problem with people without clinical depression just throwing around "I'm so depressed" because something mildly inconvenienced them or they're just sad, is that it adds to the romanticism of mental health illnesses and disorders, which is just like how people who don't have ocd say things like "Oh, I'm so od" just because they organise things a certain way
I mostly agree. Perhaps saying you’re “so depressed” is understandable even if it’s not clinical, similarly to saying you’re anxious without having an anxiety disorder. But, as someone with diagnosed ocd, it irks me when people say they’re “so ocd” for being organized. Same goes for people saying they’re “so add” for getting distracted easily. The difference could be that one is naming pretty common symptoms of life, while the other is using diagnosable mental disorders as descriptors for people that do not have them. Hope this makes sense :)
@@leviathan6626 yeah fair enough
The other thing, which gets brought up a lot in ScI Guys episodes on disorders and mental illnesses, is that clinical conditions and disorders may have symptoms that many (or even most) people have experienced in their lives. Where it becomes a disorder or condition is when the symptoms and their severity/frequency impact a person's ability to live their life.
So if someone says they feel depressed about something that made them sad, that can be an accurate description of how they feel. Whether or not they have clinical depression depends on the impact of those symptoms on their life.
I have bd and am currently having a manic episode. I stayed up all night doing crazy things with my friends and at the end of the night they were all tired and I felt nothing. I took a nap that day and then the next night I still didn't fall asleep until 5am. I feel almost no need for sleep and the only reason I do is because I know my body needs it and I love seeing what kind of crazy things my brain can make up in my dreams. I have very vivid dreams when I'm manic where I can feel sensations, I can have whole conversations, and I can smell things.
the mania dreams hit so different, fully living a whole life through dreams and its so hard to describe to people without bd
I have BD1, 6 weeks ago I when to watch Dr Strange on IMAX, didn’t know that I was under a manic episode (first one ever with full blown mania) and I was so hyper focused on the scenes that the screen twisted like Inception movie, the screen stood still in my eyes and the whole theater move like a fair ride for several seconds.
I was euphoric and so high on mania, that pretty much watch the movie on 5D, feeling colors, experiencing the whole multiverse so deep that it was like having your soul and consciousness imbedded in the movie itself sorta like Virtual Reality without the goggles.
IT WAS AWESOME!!!
The serenity that I felt after the movie was over, changed my mindset about life, people and everything around for the better.
I am a completely new person, with life saving trio; Psychiatrist, Medication and Psychologist therapy. I’m finally out of darkness and can see the a bright future is possible.
Love You All ✌🏼
I have Bipolar II disorder and it was really great to hear you discuss it in such a scientific and thoughtful way. It was especially good to hear Luke’s experience with cyclothymia. Mental illness imo is portrayed very poorly in the media so having it approached this way was really refreshing
My therapist told me I was diagnosed with Anxiety. Then (few years later) I have a new therapist and they told me I have anxiety DISORDER and it triggered my anxiety and it was such a dumb thing to freak out over lmao. Im fine now because I was comfortable enough to tell her that it freaked me out and we got to chuckling about it now
One of the big things I’ve found with mixed episodes (having both (hypo)manic and depressive episodes at the same time) is rapid cycling. With that, depression and (hypo) manic symptoms tend to rapidly switch back and forth. For me, it’s been depressive symptoms in the morning then hypomanic symptoms in the afternoon then it just switches between the two back and forth.
Also! I’ve found that another big symptom of (hypo)mania is aggression/irritability rather than just euphoria and hyperactivity. My main symptom of hypomania is actually that irritability! It’s like being on my period x10 😂
"Where...did you read that?" 🙂
Thank you discussing bipolar in depth. Gives me a bit of hope that things are getting better for sufferers.
My mother and grandmother has Bipolar disorder type 1; both have been hospitalized for at least several days if not months at a time at least once a year. I have often wondered if the stress response to growing up with that person aides or triggers the gene. My mother was abused by my grandmother; and I was essentially neglected because she would be in hospital for weeks or months and I would be paying her bills to keep the lights on and the mobile home since I was 10. I have been diagnosed as well but thus far I am working and functioning.
I love when luke starts talking about mental health and philosophy for ages because this is 100% what i would do. This is the sort of stuff i end up getting into deep conversations about at house parties with like one person, ignoring all the other people partying 😂 i feel like we would get on
This is the best podcast and Sci Guys actually gives great information in a fun way!
"you haven't drowned yet tho" 😂😂😅 I know that feeling with specialist too well
I know I’m quite late on this, but wanted to mention that the main distinction between Bipolar 1 and 2 is the manic vs hypomanic episodes, so the varying length (manic at least 7 days, hypomanic at least 4 days) and mania also included symptoms of psychosis, while hypomania does not. Mixed episodes (manic + depressed at the same time) is a separate specification (sort of like a subtype) that occurs in both bipolar 1 and 2.
Also, interestingly, you can have the seemingly opposite symptoms at the same time. What this would look like is usually switching between one or the other throughout the episode (like for me I will switch between increased self importance and feelings of worthlessness within the episode) or they even mix together (for me, when I get that decreased need for sleep, but also tiredness from depression, it leaves me unable to sleep, but I still feel exhausted all of the time, yet I am still able to do things I usually wouldn’t otherwise be able, like an increase in productivity, but it’s drived by that restlessness and not necessarily having more energy because of the way those conflicting symptoms are mixing together).
I have bipolar 2 disorder and I was told that if I didn't get treatment that I would probably become type 1. My last hypomanic episode got scary when I thought I'd fly if I stepped of my balcony. Luckily I didn't because my train of thought was a mess. So yeah I was stepping into full blown mania and psychosis at the end. Thank God for medication and therapy haha. I still get mixed episodes and that's when I'm most vulnerable, my skin crawls and I have insatiable rage. It's when I'm likely to be risky or self harm. Even when I'm at baseline, anger and distress tolerance is my main problem. Just thought I'd help fill some gaps 😁
Mixed episodes are the destructive depressive thoughts that you get in a depressive swing but with all of the energy to carry them out. Very dangerous. It's really interesting stuff to think about.
@@SirSoup44 or, alternatively, it can be having all the inner energy to torture yourself with your own thought loops, all the desire to go take on the world, being flooded with dreams and ideas and then feeling like there’s cinder blocks tied to your limbs and you can’t do anything about all those spiraling thoughts
@@saggguy7 100%
Hi Sci-Guys, would be great if you could do an episode on PTSD(acute, chronic and complex). There are a few different theories out there on why it develops in some and not others, would be great to hear your thoughts!
my mother and grandfather and (i think) his mother or father all have/had bipolar disorder but i never really new very much about it so this episode helped me learn about what it actually is.
Being bipolar 2 I'm so interested in hearing from you guys talk about this.. thanks
This is the first time I've heard opposing views of impairment addressed. One person's impairment might not look like another person's impairment and sometimes impairment can be very hard to see. Thank you for tackling this topic with empathy!
Corry blond now. I'm confused. :D
I like it, though!!
the whole religion tangent you guys went into blew my tiny mind as someone who grew up as a pastors kid and was heavily influenced by the church and now leaving that scene and realising my mental health is an absolute shambles lmao
Hi I love this podcast it's so educational and entertaining at the same time please do an episode on dislexia
luke having cyclothmia is soo interesting and kinda odd to me because i just wasnt expected this episode to go like this and i dont know why other people arent as excited about it as i am.
This was my favorite episode
An episode on bpd wuld be so interesting as well and not just bc I .. May have it
When you were explaining the symptoms of the depression and then the mania, I related so hard. I’ve always thought I had BD, but I’ve always been scared to talk about it. I might try getting treatment thanks to this episode
Yes! Catching it early is key because it is a progressive disorder. Highly encourage you to talk to a doctor or psychiatrist even if you only think it could be a possibility!
Hey I think the thing Luke was discussing (about thought patterns splitting into a child, parent, adult) might be a reference to Internal Family Systems. I think its a form of trama therapy (incidently decently effective at treating trama) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Family_Systems_Model
bich i am 0.25 intelligence?
I'm only 10 minutes in and everything you guys are saying it sounds EXACTLY like my childhood friend. She was tested for it but they said she didn't have it which was really weird to me. She has these spells where it gets so bad I genuinely can't be around her until its over. Last time it was bad I was told to drop out of college especially now that im goingfor psychiatry. I'm really wanting to learn more about how to deal with it. Just incase there's another overlap with one of her spells.
I literally bought my first pair of Levis the other week and I have a diagnosis of Cyclothymia so I think we legitimately have something here O.o
If people don’t want the jokes, why not just listen to a textbook🙃🙃🙃
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21:00 wasnt that kind of split talked about in the dsd episode?
Bethan Cole Thanks for explaining the difference! I was a little confused when I heard it too
Are you inadvertently describing id, ego, and superego?
hey vsause, michael here! but what IS trauma?
I was told I might have bipolar, but it was all academic because I am already on the medication that they would put me on. Quite often they use lamotrigine, which is used for epilepsy as well as bipolar. The reason they couldn't give me a definitive diagnosis is because when I get a potential manic episode I do far too much, which then ends in me having a seizure and knocking me out so the episode can't continue. It doesn't help that generally when my mood was messed up it was if I forgot to take my medication too often making me more likey to have seizures too. The fun of comorbid conditions :p
One symptom you guys forgot for bipolar is Hypersexuality
very good
I have bipolar II &c-ptsd and i rapid cycle. Being depressed with mania can lead to attempting suicide its very often. It's sad.
5:40 “Basically if you’re depressed, chances are, your sleep is just going to be wrecked in some way”
It’s currently 2:08AM and I can confirm
Listening to this as a person with BP2 wearing my levis ... 😳
It's very genetic guy!
Fun fact: most Christians don't understand God in the same way that Jesus understood God and when making the current Bible they took out testaments and quotes from Jesus that would explain God more completely; spoiler alert, God is vibration, the quantum hologram that makes up 3D perception & the new testament talks about how we Create Our Reality and manifestation.
TL;DR Jesus was a spiritually awakened guy who was tapped into source and wanted to empower people. Hope this helps and if you want to learn more, look at spirituality, quantum physics & Consciousness.
Also look up Dr Joe Dispenza and the scale of consciousness
Why was this episode so bad? There's literally no useful information being said in a 53 mins episode, I don't get it.
Can you guys redo an episode on bipolar? If the possibility comes up
It's honestly really disappointing as a person with bipolar disorder, that this is the episode that was dedicated to us.