Cabinet Scraper - Smoothing a Table Top
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In this rambling video I talk scrapers, in particular, scrapers in the style of this No. 80 Kunz. They are great for quickly flattening, leveling and smoothing tough surfaces. Most of my tables tops are made from rough sawn lumber with a little texture left during the planning process for character, on this table, the customer wanted a smooth painted top....so that's what they'll get.
The finishing was done with a Flat Black Paint/Primer Combo, 3 coats sanding in between Then 3 coats of Satin Minwax Polycrylic.
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Wisdom and experience are obviously within your words. I appreciate your synopsis and recommendations!
Maaaaaaaan... I LOVE your accent!!! Heheheheheh Now, being serious, Thank you very much for sharing your experience. Really, I appreciated how u described the different advantages and limits of the tools that could possibly be used for the job. Taking the time and effort to make videos is alot of work. And also transferring your knowledge and experience has great value. Thank you! And cheers from Italy ;-)
Thank you. It was very helpful in knowing how to use the tool more effectively. Like the phrase “when the tool work, it works”.
Boy that looks smooth! Always great to see a new video on your channel!
Thank you
8:40. Nice catch.
Talked me into it! I love card scrapers but my hands cramp up really just holding a screwdriver let alone use a card scraper for any length of time. Great video!
Its good to see some real hand work, and a good tool
Excellent video! You make a really good point regarding the use of a belt sander. They certainly have their place, but they can also cause a lot of work if not handled correctly.
They can for sure, this tool is a very controlled way and works quickly.
looks buttery smooth!
I have one of those, it's a stanley #80. Works great, I like it better than the card scraper. The table came out beautiful. Great job.
Thank you
The table came out beautiful. Nice job
Thanks
Nice to see you again. ...so long between videos.
Thank you!
Might have to keep a look out for one of those jobbies next time I'm browsing the old tool markets.
I got mine free with a bunch of other old stuff but they are only $44 on Amazon - www.amazon.com/Kunz-80-Cabinet-Scraper-Plane/dp/B006L6N0LI But in general it's a No. 80, so it's the same regardless of brand. Here's a write up on them (a stanley) if you want to know more about this particular model. (No. 80)
Great tool and an added bonus you get a work out free of charge.
Yep.
yes sir, the heat build up is very common issue though i flip it over every 2 to 3 passes. I have never used cabinet scraper but its on the way to my workshop. Hope it will be a very useful tool in my workshop for planing purposes before fine sanding (if necessary) and finish work.
That came out really nice!
Thank You Paul
I just happened upon another person showing the Card Scraper too...I love your videos so much even though I don't do woodworking I always feel like I'm there doing the work with you:)>
Thanks
Just a few things.
1. Great final finish! Looks like it turned out nice and smooth.
2. Recommendations on a brand or card scrapers. I currently just use a hand plane but need a good scraper.
3. Lastly, where you been? I enjoy your videos and but I know you have a lot of work. Well keep up the great work!
1. Thanks
2. I have a bahco card scraper and the green one is a Kunz cabinet scraper No. 80 Style. Any brand is going to be ok.
3. I've been working on houses, making a lot of furniture and doing many other things. More to come.
Great info Thanks! and Kudos on the Safety Glasses Catch, good work!
Again nice video! Looking forward to your next projects!
Thank you
Nice Video, Good explanation of the why as well as the how to...
Thanks
are you using the kunz with the regular edge they come with or did you bevel it at 40 degrees ?
You do some nice work!!
Awesome!
Can you show the painting process sometime?
Great video---- nice to see poplar being used for projects,,,its not just for firewood ,any projet I build thay gets painted is made from poplar
Tons of poplar gets used for furniture, a lot of upholstered furniture and veneered work.
yes I know ,its just nice to see small work shops using it up .I live in northern B.C Canada .here its used in OSB-or firewood
Here its a common wood to use on the East Coast, US. I don't know many who burn it as it's value in cabinet making and other projects is valuable. Of course people use it as fire wood but the most common is red and white oak. But anything burns! I love using it when I'm painting.
thanks
Wow, is that an old green DeWalt radial arm saw way over on the left? I still have the one my dad got back in 1951. Great old tool. Just got a Stanley No. 80 and enjoyed your video
I have two dewalts, I really enjoy using them.
great info :D thanks... Love the finished look. mhmmm shiny
Beautiful workmanship. Do you ever think when making a table that it may some day be past down to a new generation?
I'd hope so, not out of any pride but just that they are going to last along time. For the number of them I've made I'm sure that will happen as a lot of them are made for young families, so the kids will grow up with them........ the main romancing of it all I think of is that the people I buy them for use them every day, holidays, etc. All my customers have been very happy as well, so I'm just glad to make things for people who really like them.
a lot of useful info, thanks so much.
Is there any of these for rounding wood like one for shaving snooker cues?
So when you scrape it doesn't matter which direction you go? Also making a canoe paddle. Does anyone have any suggestions of which hand tool I should use to thin the actual paddle?
Great video! I've been researching this all day. I built a table top like yours, with pine, and it's too large for my planer. some pieces are about 1/8th higher in some areas the piece they are jointed next to. would that big of a height difference still work with a scraper?
That would take a while with a scraper. I'd use a plane or belt sander on it first to rough it down then finish if off with a scraper.
I saw this video then purchased a Kunz Cabinet Scraper like the one in the video but I have never been able to get it to produce anything but very simple dust. I have watched videos explaining how to and they all differ so I am looking for some good advice. thanks in advance.
You might not be setting the blade right. set it down flat, loosen screws, press blade to table top, tighten, then adjust the screw that flexes the blade until it cuts. For sharpening the blade, just hone it to the same angle it came with, make sure the bevel is facing away from the direction you push. You can also roll a burr on the edge. This would be done but rubbing a hardened rod across the edge, forming a burr that rolls towards the direction you are cutting. Scrapers dull fairly quickly as well just so you know. Now knowing how to do something and being able to do it are two different things. You'll have to practice, you could also have a functional tool in your hand and just not be able to use it right, again....practice. But a scraper is pretty easy.
@@thehomesteadcraftsman8975 your kunz cabinet scraper came with a bevel on the card ?
from what i seen and paul slelles review " they send the scraper blade out with square edges to all five edges instead of bevelling the two long edges as is normal to all other makers. That means you must file or grind the edges to 45-degrees before you can sharpen it."
Great info! Thanks for sharing!
Your welcome.
Great video as always! With the help of your videos I constructed my first farm table and benches and I am pleased with the result. .
Cool, glad the videos helped. I'd love to see your table.
Your timing is perfect. I have been wanting to learn more about scraping. I did a bunch of glue ups this week and could have used that scraper. I don't seem to have the skill to get good results from holding the scraper in my hand. I just dropped that Kunz #80 into my amazon basket and hope to be using it soon. I always learn something in your videos. Great work!
Great, I didn't know if this topic was worthy of a video but the people have spoken.......glad you liked it.
Great video. quick question. How do you sharpen a scraper plane? Like a card scraper or like a hand plane? How long does it stay sharp? For example, would that table top require multiple sharpenings?
It lasts a long time for me, I've done multiple tables, big ones. You can just put an angle on it or a bur also but a bur is not required.
thanks for the prompt reply. love your videos :)
Thanks for sharing. Scrapers are my first go-to tool in lieu of sanding. Who needs all that dust? Further, a scraper is much more precise than a sander. I have found that scrapers work well in fixing goofs in finishes that weren't noticed. Touch ups before the next coat are a breeze.
Lovely work as usual. I have a couple of hand planes but I find it really hard to smooth with them. This looks much easier, might have to pick one up. Thanks.
Really nice end result!. Did you mentioned what paint/product or how did you paint it? I might of missed it. Thanks.
Paint/Primer combo from lowes, flat black. Applied with a 6 inch foam roller, 3 coats sanding with 220 in between. 3 coats of Minwax polycrylic sprayed on with a cheap spray gun, sanding lightly between the 1 and 2 coats. Let dry and there you go.
Looks amazing. I am going to try that for sure. Thanks for the info!!
Is there a reason you go with smaller planks on your tops? Just what you have on hand? I tend to go with the widest planks I can get my hands on so limit the chance of having to fix prior mistakes while glueing. With that said 95% of the tops I do are made from 8/4 stock so there is less chance of cupping of the wide boards over time. I love working with poplar, so much easier to work with than knotty pine! I have one more question for you, I do a lot of white tables, white tops and/or white bases, I am having issues with knots coming through the finish. Do you have any issues with this? I have tried many combinations of steps to prevent it currently I do a spot coat of shellac based primer over all the knots then a full coat of premium water based primer over the entire object then I paint it using a high quality water based paint (pro classic by sherwin williams). My theory is that UV is breaking down the pigment in the white paint (since there isn't much in there) and at the same time bringing out the tannins in the knot since it is end grain at the knot it easily seeps through. I have spoke with a couple paint gurus and they seems puzzled by my predicament as well. My next plan of action is going to be trying a dark tinted primer for the full primer coat. Since like you most of my tables are distressed the dark coat would act like stain under the paint to add more depth. Also the added pigment from the darker color should mask any bleed through as I do not get bleed through when the clients ask for any other color. Im interested to see what you think about this and if you have issues with that as well. I always look forward to your videos and leaving you page long walls of text in your comments! I am sure you're very busy but I'd love more videos, I enjoy seeing what other people who basically do the same thing as I do do to get the job done!
I like wide boards too but I just use what I have, sometimes they are 5-6 wide and sometimes they are much wider. Most of my tops are 1ish inches thick. Indeed poplar is nice to work with, perfect for painting. I don't have your knot problem as I don't do painted tops (this was the first one) and if the knots show on my bases it doesn't matter as they are distressed...but. I think clear shellac over the knots stops the stain. You can get it in many different forms but in a spray can would probably be convenient. Kilz primer claims it blocks knot stains but I've seen them come through. Try the shellac. It will create a barrier. You can look up more about it if you want. My thoughts on solving a problem like this is to instead try to find a way for it to be ok.. as in just distress it a little more or something. Again, I don't do painted tops really so it's not an issue for me. Maybe use a different wood, pine and spruce are bad. Poplar better since it's pretty knot free. Or stop making white tops and go with a clear over the appropriate wood. Just make it easy on yourself! Wish I had more for you.
I think you are right about the white tops, I am going to try a heavier cut of shellac and see if that does it. Another thing that may work that I just thought about is a thin layer of west systems epoxy. I really don't want to give up on making the white tops, I'd rather push through and make a solution but it is just frustrating along the way! I might just go with 8/4 poplar as it is not much more than the pine. It may be one of those things where I need to go to a higher quality paint as well. I might have to try like an outdoor enamel or something. Thanks for the response though!
Cool
So would you normally do this top with your drum sander and are just doing it this way to show it? Or would you actually scrape the whole thing?
In this case I could do either, I had already started scraping it then thought to film it. I scraped it then just hit it with 120 on the orbital sander. I mainly use the drum sander for smaller things,
Nice. Yeah it is somewhat of a pain to put huge things through the drum sander. Also this looks like it would be somewhat relaxing.
It actually gets me pretty hot and out of breath! But off camera I go at it pretty hard for about 20 min or so. But overall, no ones breathing down my neck, I'm just working in my basement listening to the radio all day.......so it could be worse!
I see @ about 11:31 in that the end of the table isn’t flat or flush. When do you cut that?
Once the top is glued up and get's it' first sanding I trim it straight with a tracksaw.
kool!!
Thanx!!
Loving watching your videos. I'm starting a furniture business in South Australia. Do you have a video of you demonstrating the use of your table top glueing setup? I saw it in a vid the other day. Loved the idea of glueing the tops on the upright clamping setup to save space. Cheers. Andy
you can give me that stanley one thanks
I'll keep it if you don't mind.....still need to clean it up. It was a $15 flea market buy.
Wow thats a really really good score for you :D
You can get the one in the video on Amazon for $44, it works great. www.amazon.com/Kunz-80-Cabinet-Scraper-Plane/dp/B006L6N0LI
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Your audio is mirrored. You're on the left, but I hear you on the right.