4:40 - The Effects Loop option 15:45 - The Four Cable option In this video, both the GX-10 as well as the Katana have an effects loop. That is what enables the 4 cable method. We are using both effects loops at the same time. If we use the Katana’s effects loop only, and we don’t use the GX-10 effects loop (as shown in 4:40) this is not the 4 cable method. If we for some reason wanted to use the GX-10 effects loop but not the Katana effects loop 4:40 it is also not the 4 cable method.
Well done on the video! This method of getting the best out of MultiFX's and Amps such as the Katana can be confusing to newer players BUT this is a nice, clear explanation. Top stuff!
@ using it to replace all my older effects pedals on my board .. using presets .. reverb delay , chorus etc etc .. I just toggle through the presets I want to use. Through the amp is more work .. this is easy
@@garyatkins4479 The amp is really easy. I owned it for 2 hrs and set up 12 banks of 8 different channels with any effect the amp has. the gx10 is midi as well. will actually control the artist. its all redundant. But if that works for you i completely understand. more power to you.
Hi, thanks for the video. I have the GX-10 connected to Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb, to it's guitar input (there is no effect return). For the sake of clarity, I would like to understand the following. In In/Out Setting of GX-10 I can choose the type of connected amplifier. I have set the Tube Combo 112 Input. Then in AMP effect parameter TYPE, I can choose the AIRD Preamp Type. I have set the Deluxe Combo. So in fact I have set the same information in 2 places. Now, I need to understand what Boss is assuming: a) "I understand that GX-10 is connected to Fender Deluxe Reverb combo and I know it has it's preamp and I will not go into conflict with it." Which means that behavior of the AMP effect will take this into consideration, and there will not be the situation that one preamp is going to another. or b) Boss is saying, "You told me to make the selected preamp emulation and I don't care that you are saying that GX-10 is connected to Tube Combo 112". So this clearly leads to situation of one preamp going to another. My question is: Why did I enter the same info in 2 places? Thanks for your time, Peter
Ok hopefully I am understanding this question correctly! The Output settings of the GX-10 appears to have absolutely no impact on the AIRD amp models in the device whatsoever. So the obvious question here is: What is that Output setting actually doing then? We know that the AIRD block gives you an amp/speaker effect, but wouldn't it make sense to automatically turn that off if you are going to plug straight into a real amplifier with a real speaker? Otherwise you could accidentally make it sound like you are running one guitar amplifier into another one! The GX-10 is happy to let you do that. When you go to the settings of the GX-10 and select an input like "Tube Combo 112 input", Boss claims that these settings "optimize the output of the GX-10 to match an input that could have some tonal color to the sound". They are being entirely ambiguous about what this setting actually does. I reached out for specific guidance from Roland/Boss and they told me to "do what sounds good" which was quite unhelpful. Here is what I suspect this setting does: I suspect that this setting is really just adjusting the signal "level". When you connect your guitar straight into the front of your Fender amp, that amps expects an "instrument level" signal, which is very quiet. Your pre-amp will bring that level up to a "Line Level" signal, which is now a bit louder, and perhaps has some distorted characteristics, depending on how much gain and volume you decided to add. Your power amp will then bring that level up to "Speaker Level" and send the sound into your speaker, and that Speaker Level is entirely determined by your master volume knob. A real guitar amplifier is taking a quiet instrument signal and making it progressively louder at every stage. Therefore, if I want to plug my GX-10 into the front of an amp, I want it to provide an "Instrument Level" signal. You can imagine accidentally sending a much louder line-level signal into the front of your amp and all of a sudden it sounds very distorted and over-driven, unless I really turn down the gain and the volume. Alternatively, If I plug my GX-10 into the Power Amp, I want to provide a "Line Level" signal because that is what the Power Amp would have been given by a Pre-amp. If I give it an instrument level instead, I suddenly have to crank up the master volume to get enough sound because that instrument signal is so soft and quiet. In Summary: When you use a setting like "Tube Combo 112 input", I think Boss is saying "Ok we will make sure the output jack of the GX-10 is providing an instrument level signal." It will still allow you to run an AIRD amp model which is a deeply questionable choice, but I suspect they are allowing you to do that because the device is designed to let you do whatever your heart desires, for good or for bad.
Can I just run it into a power amp, like a dirt cheap Harley Benton for example and hook it up with a boutique 2x12 cab loaded with celestions, or does this unit need frfr speakers? Thanks for the video!
@@CrossMetal777 You can absolutely run into a Power Amp! If you do, just disable the cabinet emulation on the GX-10. If you want to use the cabinet emulation in the GX-10 run it into something like an FRFR. That said, a real cabinet will always sound better than an emulated one, so the real cabinet is likely going to sound better in the room.
This is a great video.. I’m using option 3, straight to power amp in, but as I take your advice on changing GX10 Output device to boss katana, it immediately sounds fizzy, like radio static. Every option is varied degree of terrible unless I use the recording output setting the the top. Do you know what may be wrong here?
Great content! Thanks for adding such valuable video. What do you think about connecting GX-10 to Boss Katana Air? I’m aware of limitations of desktop amp (small cabinets, etc) but I’d like enrich slightly my Katana’s Air sound. Is there Katana Air available to select from the list in output settings in GX-10 similarly to other- bigger Katanas?
@@piotrz9067 Unfortunately the Katana Air lacks a Power Amp In, as well as Effects Loop. This limits the use of a GX-10 to the first option I described in this video, and it’s hard to say that is worth the money. It is often the case with desktop size amps that primary hindrance to the overall sound is the relatively weak set of speakers, as the models in them are typically identical to those found in more expensive devices. One thing to try is plugging the Air into a set of studio monitors with larger speakers, or plugging in Studio Headphones. This will allow you to evaluate whether your tone issues are truly the device, or the small speakers themselves. I am going to make a video soon on setting up a great signal chain in Tone Studio, that might also be of use!
@ What does Power Amp in mean in that context? There is a possibility to connect guitar to Katana via either cable or wireless system. Basically I was thinking about following option no.3 with selected other version of Katana the most similar to Katana Air but not so sure which one we can consider so. My other thought was to use wireless system for connection: 1) guitar connected to GX-10 either via cable or via separate wireless system Boss WL 20, 2) GX-10 connected to Katana Air via its original wireless system put into mono output in GX-10. Isn’t it too complicated to work? I just want to use Katana Air as a cabinet, nothing else.
@@piotrz9067 When you use your Katana AIr, you plug into the Input Jack and you pick out a sound you like, right? All of the knobs you see on you device like the "Amp Type", "Gain", "Volume", "Bass", "Middle", "Treble", "BST/MOD", etc, all belong to what we called the Pre-amp. There is only one knob on your device that does not belong to the Pre-amp, and it's the "Master" knob. The Master knob controls the Power Amp. The Power Amp has one job here, which is to control how loud the speaker is. When I say you don't have a "Power Amp In", I am referring to an additional input jack that is often on the back of the device that allows you to skip the Preamp. If you had a "Power Amp In", and you plugged into it, you would discover that the only knob on your Katana that was working was the "Master" volume.
@ Fair enough. Thanks for clarification. Got one last question. I’m thinking how to bypass Katana’s Air amp functionalities just to use it as a speaker not amp. What do you think about connecting GX-10 (mono output) to Katana Air AUX in? There’s also one more option that comes up - connecting somehow GX 10 via bluetooth to Katana Air Audio. Unfortunately, I don’t know any external Bluetooth transmitter allowing pairing with selected device, e.g. Bluetooth speaker as we do establishing Bluetooth connection via phone. As far as I’m aware of the one offered by Boss (BT dual) allows only connection between GX-10 (or other compatible device) and mobile device. Then we can use Katana Air only as a speaker without activating its amp functionality as the same happens e.g. while streaming audio from Spotify via Katana Air.
Option 3 is a no-brainer. It's less likely to cause problems on a gig and if you're provided with a backline, there's almost nothing you have to change on the GX. When you eliminate the amp's preamp from the equation, there's a lot less difference between amps.
Hi, i use parralel mode for putting a boss looper pedal with backing tracks on it through the loop, then i can use the patches i set up on the katana and switch them using the gafc footswitch. Note, i only found this out as when i played the looper pedal through the effects return the guitar signal wasn't coming through the amp, so it was one or the other until i went parallel but i didn't entirely understand it 😅. I have set up for post reverb also, obviously
@@riverludington5293 Thanks for the answer. I'm still undecided between Katana Head Gen 3 vs GX10 + studio monitor setup. I'm just a bedroom guitarist.
@@davidletterboyz Go for a Katana. The benefits of a modeler really come into play when you need a live sound on stage. For a solo guitarist nothing beats a real guitar amp
@@riverludington5293 Thank you again for your input. Yeah I'm leaning towards Katana at the moment. Perhaps a Katana Gen 3 Head and a cab. Or Katana Artist Gen 3 combo. I heard the speaker makes a lot of difference.
It sounds horrible & fizzy when it goes straight to amp, Marshall DSL20HR my amp. Event my QC sounds better goes straight to amp. Another problem is there's always low freq pop when I connected the outputs direct to my Yamaha HS5 (I use imac intel Sonoma). Already updated the driver & everything elses but still comes up low pop sound every 30s. So annoying. Do you have any suggestions Bro? 🙏🏼
Btw I have a boss katana mini, I was wondering if I can try out option 3, since the amp has an aux in. I have a 3.5 to quarter inch converter so I think it will sound great. Do you have any opinions?
@@mikedisalvo6305 The AIRD amp simulation contains settings for both the amp as well as the cabinet. Just click into the little hexagon that says “amp” and you should find a setting for the cabinet.
Hi,thanks for the info! What about using additional pedals like the ones from Source Adio that can be used with different sounds in stereo? And are controllable with MIDI? I currently use A MS-3 from Boss, but not sure I will be able to take advantage with a GX-10. No MIDI out port and in a Katana the sounds I think will need to sum to mono. I use a Blackstar with stereo loop. So, in my rig, my concern is the lack to use MIDI for my other pedals if I try to upgrade to a GX-10.
Two Katana amps are required to get a stereo rig. The GX-10 is capable of splitting the output Left/Right, so you can run a stereo rig. That said, you would need a more expensive modeler like the Quad Cortex to use additional Stereo pedals in the effects loop. With the GX-10, you would want to put the Stereo pedals after the GX-10 output. That limits your placement of those effects. In terms of MIDI, the GX-10 is capable of sending and receiving MIDI via the USB-C. That said you have to buy an adapter to plug in a standard MIDI cable, and if you are a regular MIDI user you should give more consideration to something like a GX-100 which has dedicated MIDI In/Out slots. Hope that helps!
So i have a katana artist gen 3. i also have a gx100. why would i run a boss fx unit that has the same thing as the artist head already has built it. Seems pointless and redundant.
It's entirely fair to point out there is overlap between the products! There is not complete overlap however as the GX-10 has far more effects than the Katana, and the added ability to split a signal chain allowing for a Wet/Dry sound, or multi-amp sound.
Katana has a setting for acoustic guitars. Do you think you would plug an acoustic into a marshall and 4x12? Speakers are built for a broader range of inputs and so has the amps.
This, by far, is the best demo video of connectivity. Concise, clear, and informative. Boss should be paying you for this. Thanks.
I didn't know the effects loop option was different from the four cable method. Could you explain some more. Great video btw.
4:40 - The Effects Loop option
15:45 - The Four Cable option
In this video, both the GX-10 as well as the Katana have an effects loop. That is what enables the 4 cable method. We are using both effects loops at the same time.
If we use the Katana’s effects loop only, and we don’t use the GX-10 effects loop (as shown in 4:40) this is not the 4 cable method.
If we for some reason wanted to use the GX-10 effects loop but not the Katana effects loop 4:40 it is also not the 4 cable method.
Well done on the video! This method of getting the best out of MultiFX's and Amps such as the Katana can be confusing to newer players BUT this is a nice, clear explanation. Top stuff!
Very helpfull video, good job!
Thanks for posting .. I have the artist 3 and just bought the gx-10 ..
@@garyatkins4479 why? the artist has more than enough built in. If you use a midi pedal it is all assignable.
@ using it to replace all my older effects pedals on my board .. using presets .. reverb delay , chorus etc etc ..
I just toggle through the presets I want to use.
Through the amp is more work .. this is easy
@@garyatkins4479 The amp is really easy. I owned it for 2 hrs and set up 12 banks of 8 different channels with any effect the amp has. the gx10 is midi as well. will actually control the artist. its all redundant. But if that works for you i completely understand. more power to you.
Such an amazing and helpful video man, u should definitely have more reach. Subbing
Hi, thanks for the video. I have the GX-10 connected to Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb, to it's guitar input (there is no effect return).
For the sake of clarity, I would like to understand the following.
In In/Out Setting of GX-10 I can choose the type of connected amplifier. I have set the Tube Combo 112 Input.
Then in AMP effect parameter TYPE, I can choose the AIRD Preamp Type. I have set the Deluxe Combo.
So in fact I have set the same information in 2 places.
Now, I need to understand what Boss is assuming:
a) "I understand that GX-10 is connected to Fender Deluxe Reverb combo and I know it has it's preamp and I will not go into conflict with it."
Which means that behavior of the AMP effect will take this into consideration, and there will not be the situation that one preamp is going to another.
or
b) Boss is saying, "You told me to make the selected preamp emulation and I don't care that you are saying that GX-10 is connected to Tube Combo 112".
So this clearly leads to situation of one preamp going to another.
My question is: Why did I enter the same info in 2 places?
Thanks for your time, Peter
Ok hopefully I am understanding this question correctly! The Output settings of the GX-10 appears to have absolutely no impact on the AIRD amp models in the device whatsoever. So the obvious question here is: What is that Output setting actually doing then? We know that the AIRD block gives you an amp/speaker effect, but wouldn't it make sense to automatically turn that off if you are going to plug straight into a real amplifier with a real speaker? Otherwise you could accidentally make it sound like you are running one guitar amplifier into another one! The GX-10 is happy to let you do that.
When you go to the settings of the GX-10 and select an input like "Tube Combo 112 input", Boss claims that these settings "optimize the output of the GX-10 to match an input that could have some tonal color to the sound". They are being entirely ambiguous about what this setting actually does. I reached out for specific guidance from Roland/Boss and they told me to "do what sounds good" which was quite unhelpful. Here is what I suspect this setting does:
I suspect that this setting is really just adjusting the signal "level". When you connect your guitar straight into the front of your Fender amp, that amps expects an "instrument level" signal, which is very quiet. Your pre-amp will bring that level up to a "Line Level" signal, which is now a bit louder, and perhaps has some distorted characteristics, depending on how much gain and volume you decided to add. Your power amp will then bring that level up to "Speaker Level" and send the sound into your speaker, and that Speaker Level is entirely determined by your master volume knob. A real guitar amplifier is taking a quiet instrument signal and making it progressively louder at every stage.
Therefore, if I want to plug my GX-10 into the front of an amp, I want it to provide an "Instrument Level" signal. You can imagine accidentally sending a much louder line-level signal into the front of your amp and all of a sudden it sounds very distorted and over-driven, unless I really turn down the gain and the volume. Alternatively, If I plug my GX-10 into the Power Amp, I want to provide a "Line Level" signal because that is what the Power Amp would have been given by a Pre-amp. If I give it an instrument level instead, I suddenly have to crank up the master volume to get enough sound because that instrument signal is so soft and quiet.
In Summary:
When you use a setting like "Tube Combo 112 input", I think Boss is saying "Ok we will make sure the output jack of the GX-10 is providing an instrument level signal." It will still allow you to run an AIRD amp model which is a deeply questionable choice, but I suspect they are allowing you to do that because the device is designed to let you do whatever your heart desires, for good or for bad.
@@riverludington5293 Yes now it's clear, I understand! This was really helpful and made me relaxed. Thank you for your time!
Great video! Thanks!
Can I just run it into a power amp, like a dirt cheap Harley Benton for example and hook it up with a boutique 2x12 cab loaded with celestions, or does this unit need frfr speakers?
Thanks for the video!
@@CrossMetal777 You can absolutely run into a Power Amp! If you do, just disable the cabinet emulation on the GX-10. If you want to use the cabinet emulation in the GX-10 run it into something like an FRFR. That said, a real cabinet will always sound better than an emulated one, so the real cabinet is likely going to sound better in the room.
@@riverludington5293 Thank you for the reply, friend, much appreciated!
Nice video, man! Thx!
This is a great video.. I’m using option 3, straight to power amp in, but as I take your advice on changing GX10 Output device to boss katana, it immediately sounds fizzy, like radio static. Every option is varied degree of terrible unless I use the recording output setting the the top. Do you know what may be wrong here?
@@adammcleish18 The first thing that comes to mind in the cab sim. Did you turn off the cabinet simulation on the gx-10?
Great content! Thanks for adding such valuable video.
What do you think about connecting GX-10 to Boss Katana Air? I’m aware of limitations of desktop amp (small cabinets, etc) but I’d like enrich slightly my Katana’s Air sound. Is there Katana Air available to select from the list in output settings in GX-10 similarly to other- bigger Katanas?
@@piotrz9067 Unfortunately the Katana Air lacks a Power Amp In, as well as Effects Loop. This limits the use of a GX-10 to the first option I described in this video, and it’s hard to say that is worth the money. It is often the case with desktop size amps that primary hindrance to the overall sound is the relatively weak set of speakers, as the models in them are typically identical to those found in more expensive devices. One thing to try is plugging the Air into a set of studio monitors with larger speakers, or plugging in Studio Headphones. This will allow you to evaluate whether your tone issues are truly the device, or the small speakers themselves. I am going to make a video soon on setting up a great signal chain in Tone Studio, that might also be of use!
@ What does Power Amp in mean in that context? There is a possibility to connect guitar to Katana via either cable or wireless system. Basically I was thinking about following option no.3 with selected other version of Katana the most similar to Katana Air but not so sure which one we can consider so. My other thought was to use wireless system for connection: 1) guitar connected to GX-10 either via cable or via separate wireless system Boss WL 20, 2) GX-10 connected to Katana Air via its original wireless system put into mono output in GX-10. Isn’t it too complicated to work? I just want to use Katana Air as a cabinet, nothing else.
@@piotrz9067 When you use your Katana AIr, you plug into the Input Jack and you pick out a sound you like, right? All of the knobs you see on you device like the "Amp Type", "Gain", "Volume", "Bass", "Middle", "Treble", "BST/MOD", etc, all belong to what we called the Pre-amp. There is only one knob on your device that does not belong to the Pre-amp, and it's the "Master" knob. The Master knob controls the Power Amp. The Power Amp has one job here, which is to control how loud the speaker is. When I say you don't have a "Power Amp In", I am referring to an additional input jack that is often on the back of the device that allows you to skip the Preamp. If you had a "Power Amp In", and you plugged into it, you would discover that the only knob on your Katana that was working was the "Master" volume.
@ Fair enough. Thanks for clarification. Got one last question. I’m thinking how to bypass Katana’s Air amp functionalities just to use it as a speaker not amp. What do you think about connecting GX-10 (mono output) to Katana Air AUX in? There’s also one more option that comes up - connecting somehow GX 10 via bluetooth to Katana Air Audio. Unfortunately, I don’t know any external Bluetooth transmitter allowing pairing with selected device, e.g. Bluetooth speaker as we do establishing Bluetooth connection via phone. As far as I’m aware of the one offered by Boss (BT dual) allows only connection between GX-10 (or other compatible device) and mobile device. Then we can use Katana Air only as a speaker without activating its amp functionality as the same happens e.g. while streaming audio from Spotify via Katana Air.
Option 3 is a no-brainer. It's less likely to cause problems on a gig and if you're provided with a backline, there's almost nothing you have to change on the GX. When you eliminate the amp's preamp from the equation, there's a lot less difference between amps.
0:44 Method 1 - Into the Pre-amp
4:40 Method 2 - Into the Effects Loop
11:55 Method 3 - Into the Power Amp
15:45 Method 4 - Four Cable Method
Hi, i use parralel mode for putting a boss looper pedal with backing tracks on it through the loop, then i can use the patches i set up on the katana and switch them using the gafc footswitch. Note, i only found this out as when i played the looper pedal through the effects return the guitar signal wasn't coming through the amp, so it was one or the other until i went parallel but i didn't entirely understand it 😅. I have set up for post reverb also, obviously
Does the amp modelling in GX10/100 sound better than the one built into the Katana?
@@davidletterboyz In my opinion, no.
@@riverludington5293 Thanks for the answer.
I'm still undecided between Katana Head Gen 3 vs GX10 + studio monitor setup. I'm just a bedroom guitarist.
@@davidletterboyz Go for a Katana. The benefits of a modeler really come into play when you need a live sound on stage. For a solo guitarist nothing beats a real guitar amp
@@riverludington5293 Thank you again for your input.
Yeah I'm leaning towards Katana at the moment. Perhaps a Katana Gen 3 Head and a cab. Or Katana Artist Gen 3 combo. I heard the speaker makes a lot of difference.
Can you program drop tuned patches with this unit?
You can pitch shift, but not drop tune
It sounds horrible & fizzy when it goes straight to amp, Marshall DSL20HR my amp. Event my QC sounds better goes straight to amp.
Another problem is there's always low freq pop when I connected the outputs direct to my Yamaha HS5 (I use imac intel Sonoma). Already updated the driver & everything elses but still comes up low pop sound every 30s. So annoying.
Do you have any suggestions Bro? 🙏🏼
It’s likely the cabinet simulation is turned on. Disable it and see if that helps!
@riverludington5293 Nope. Already tried to off & on, but sound almost the same
@@toni-radex Does the device sound good through headphones?
Btw I have a boss katana mini, I was wondering if I can try out option 3, since the amp has an aux in. I have a 3.5 to quarter inch converter so I think it will sound great. Do you have any opinions?
@@deadopop You can do that but make sure you use the “Headphone” output of the GX-10 to get the correct gain level
I have a Katana Artist Gen 3, a Digitech Trio+ and a GX-10. What advice can you give me for the best method to cable this setup?
I am not sure, I don’t own a Digitech Trio+
I got my gx-10 today and did method 3 but it sounds terrible from my katana mk2. How do i turn off the cabinet simulation from gx-10? I don't see it.
@@mikedisalvo6305 The AIRD amp simulation contains settings for both the amp as well as the cabinet. Just click into the little hexagon that says “amp” and you should find a setting for the cabinet.
Im gonna bet if you read the manual that would help!
I dunno. I just run the headphone out of the GX-10 into the Aux In of the Katana... what am I missing? :)
@@BuleriaChk If you are happy, you aren’t missing anything! But there are a few more choices at your disposal if you decide
I dunno, verything else seems to be redundant. The GX choices overwhelm those in the Katana. Again, what am I missing? Please be specific.
can I used the GA-FC ex foot controller to control the GX10
The GA-FC footswitch is designed specifically for the Katana, so it won't work with the GX-10
Hi,thanks for the info! What about using additional pedals like the ones from Source Adio that can be used with different sounds in stereo? And are controllable with MIDI? I currently use A MS-3 from Boss, but not sure I will be able to take advantage with a GX-10. No MIDI out port and in a Katana the sounds I think will need to sum to mono. I use a Blackstar with stereo loop. So, in my rig, my concern is the lack to use MIDI for my other pedals if I try to upgrade to a GX-10.
Two Katana amps are required to get a stereo rig. The GX-10 is capable of splitting the output Left/Right, so you can run a stereo rig. That said, you would need a more expensive modeler like the Quad Cortex to use additional Stereo pedals in the effects loop. With the GX-10, you would want to put the Stereo pedals after the GX-10 output. That limits your placement of those effects.
In terms of MIDI, the GX-10 is capable of sending and receiving MIDI via the USB-C. That said you have to buy an adapter to plug in a standard MIDI cable, and if you are a regular MIDI user you should give more consideration to something like a GX-100 which has dedicated MIDI In/Out slots.
Hope that helps!
So i have a katana artist gen 3. i also have a gx100. why would i run a boss fx unit that has the same thing as the artist head already has built it. Seems pointless and redundant.
It's entirely fair to point out there is overlap between the products! There is not complete overlap however as the GX-10 has far more effects than the Katana, and the added ability to split a signal chain allowing for a Wet/Dry sound, or multi-amp sound.
@ Far more? that is true. Far more that are useful. NO
Not the advice given by Boss. No need to turn off speaker cab.
Katana has a setting for acoustic guitars. Do you think you would plug an acoustic into a marshall and 4x12? Speakers are built for a broader range of inputs and so has the amps.
It has an aux in too. How would that sound with a guitar based speaker?