Though Creality's Ender and CR series have always been my go-to choices, I've also heard that FLSUN has been making some pretty good strides lately. Looking forward to seeing more comparative videos like this.
What the Qidi lacks in multi-material it makes up for in the ability to burn down your house. There's nothing on the market and nothing on the horizon that looks like it'll compete with Bambu offerings. It's comparing horse and buggy to current cars.
FYI, today a Qidi 4 vid from 3dMusketeer showed the heated chamber board get up to 175c,(with firmware update) and without firmware update (out of box) it was pushing over 650W when rated to only 400w on chamber power supply. Def fire risk either way
Would be nice to see a comparison between this creality, p1s and Qidi plus 4. I don't care much about the AMS, but the quality, speed and overall user experience between those printers is something that I would like to see 🙂
"Bomb Pops" Brother! Thats what the red, white an Blue Popsicles were called here. I really think the K2 is the 2024 3D Printer of the year! Grea job showing us what it comes with and how its packed etc.
Creality's track record is what puts me off. All reviews of this K2 Plus are so positive that it sounds "bought". Especially if at the same time early birds receiving theirs complains about doors falling off. Are those reports fake? Maybe. But as said, Creality's track record does make them believable. So, time will tell whether this K2 Plus has some skeletons in the closet as the Qidi Plus 4 did (despite similar awesome initial reviews). One thing it definitely does not have going for it is the price. $1500 for something with the Creality brand on it, just seems too much risk to me ...
I own a K1 Max and it is a great printer that has given me zero issues. The ender 3 is 6 years older than the first 3D printer Bambu Lab released and was never meant to be a high end printer. It was the state of the art at the time for quality vs. price. You could have bought a much more expensive printer at that time that would have given you marginally better prints. Also, Creality open sources most of their products. They don’t control what other venders releasing their printers are doing QC wise. Bambu Lab came on the market, stole a lot of the technology they use, and packed it all into their printers. Good for them, but the X1E is the closet comparison to the K1 Plus and costs $2500… the K1 Plus cost $1400 and has a larger build volume. So when Bambu Lab releases a printer that has the same specs, including the build volume, let’s see how much it costs.
these reviews are to be taken as just words.n. with the revelation of flsun paying youtubers for favourable reviews, and hiring bot armies to post on videos and reddit ect. unless it's by a guy who bought it and is showing I proof. a lot of the time, they also. show no actual proof of such good prints. far away snaps, and. processed prints
I don't see it strange at all this is a very common practice. It's just like an interview with actors before the movie has come out and often those interviewers get to see the movie prior to release or any gaming console elec that's given to key reviewers like IGN or CNET before their production release. This advertising method has obviously worked for them so they continue to do it. There's definitely UA-camrs who stretch the truth and misinform people but Jeff doesn't do that as he's being honest in the video about the lack luster results or limitations
As with all creality products this one seems to be "different". What I mean by that is that it works as advertised and the customer is not going out and purchasing other things like a new hotend to fix the product's shortcomings. Now we need to hear from people 6 months down the road to see if they are still in love. I have stopped buying Creality products when I purchased the CR10S Pro. I'm waiting for Bamboo to release in 2025 to see what they have to offer in Large Format Printers.
I have had a K1 Max for quite some time. I just got a 1/4” tooling plate, cut it to size, drilled four holes in it and just sandwiched right on top of the existing aluminum plate. I now have a very flat and so far un-warping plate (+- .6 mm). The sandwich takes just a bit longer to warm up, but not bad. I am waiting for my K2 like a kid before Christmas. 😂 Thanks for the nice introduction!
The purge problem is apparently caused by the hotend being so long, much longer than bambu hotends, and maybe the slicer is calculating purge with values calculated for bambu-length hotends
That’s what I think the problem is. I used creality and orca. Both still need to purge a ton, about double the p1s or X1C. I’ll do more experimenting and share in the follow up video
Yep, it's just reality. The point of no return is just plain longer. It'd slow down prints, but I wonder if a sacrificial filament designed to clear the nozzle would help.
I used many printers in the past, simple creality as well as sophisticated idex, i.e. snapmaker. Recently I got a Bambu P1S and was literally washed away with print quality, software maturity and the overall package. I neither need a heated chamber nor a larger print room, so lucky me. My personal conclusion: reviewers focus way too much on „the latest and greatest“. What’s worth so much more is a well designed overall package plus good software. The P1S produced better print results oob than any of my existing ones with hours of slicer tweaking. I am done with chasing the latest and greatest. I now go with the ones that have been popular for some time, have sorted out their initial issues, and are typically now available at great discount prices. The P1S + AMS is a stunning package (which I btw paid with my own money, so no affiliations to anyone whatsoever).
I'd consider the p1s or any of the Bambu printers but I have something to consider that 99% of others don't have to. I'm blind so everything I get must work with computers out of the box and Bambu labs don't work with Octoprint so I can't physically use them. Creality printers do, though, since they're open-source for the most part which makes it easy for me to connect my printer via USB and use Octoprint to control and monitor my printer. Most people aren't going to need that kind of accessibility but literally, that's the only thing putting me off a Bambu printer. I'd get one if I could use it independently like I can my Creality printer.
@ I can appreciate your priorities. I wasn’t aware that there are such significant differences. My assumption was that by today, all major software supports standard accessibility interfaces, but apparently I was a bit naive. There needs to be much more awareness for accessibility in all software.
I love the improvements in speed with the newer motion systems and the machine being enclosed (big kudos there, filter out the nasties and control the environment for better prints). I hope they start doing dual nozzles, like the Ultimaker 3 / S5 and others have done. That would really reduce the waste and the bleed thru / marbling you see from changing colors.
We couldn’t post for a while, I’ve had it for probably a month. Hopefully I’ll have an update video out next week. Playing with some multi color then I’ll throw some abs, Asa, and stuff like that at it
Being creality im sure they will drop the price once caught up. They always tease a main price then it ends up being on sale. Or just wait until Black Friday cyber Monday deals. I did see on facebook the price went up on eBay or something
Waiting for a longtime review before buying this printer. As always, super good niew to see another company innovating, but track record of creality not doing a propper QC, lacking development in some area and not complying with opensource licence... I'll wait. On the video itself. Thank you for getting use a nice eary bird video of the experience of the printer ;)
should compare the weight of the purge side by side on the same print vs the bambu printers. creality or bambu might have their purge multiplier higher or lower.
Many people want the CFS to be a dryer but..... This would only work if we have 4 rolls of the same material that dry at the same temp. If we have different materials we will not be able to use it as a dryer without causing a disaster. If we have ABS and PLA and we dry at ABS temp. the PLA roll will end up melted.
A good compromise would be to have a dryer that maxes out at 45C. I'm not sure if ABS will dry out over time at that temp, but I would think it would prevent additional moisture from being absorbed.
I have never liked Creality all that much, but this might be their highest quality and best designed printers so far. I still think tool changers are the way to go for multi color, but this one is pretty nice. Also 14:52 Can you check if that heated bed covers the entire build plate? I noticed there is a cutout in the bottom of that which is much smaller than the bed size, so that makes me wonder if the heating element is smaller than the build plate like they did with the CR10 S5.
Seems they made just enough to supply reviewers and not to have stock to sell. I will wait another 6 months until it shows up on Amazon, cause their website does not ship to my country. Hopefully they will follow through with their promise of an upgrade for the K1 Max to support the CFS
I'm really interested in how to combat that multi color issue. I also hope I can use Orca... I hate Creality Slicer. The latest update to Orca does have Creality support so I'm hoping that means we can.
Calibration print of some type. I don't know what they're called but have overhang/stringing,etc torture tests and See the heated chamber at work. Like a with and without heated chamber print for a different filament like ASA
@TwoMooseToo ill check out the qidi vid. Just subscribed today. I'm thinking that with rooting my K2 (when it arrives) and using klipper i could get chamber up to 65-70 degrees but I'm not sure. Does it look like it can handle it?
PPS-CF filament - should test nozzle and heated chamber too. Whole bed one-layer sheet to test first layer. Maybe the torture toaster with some ASA/ABS. Some full volume print (height).
Re Pumpkins: There is no way to make them better. You MUST purge a certain amount of material to get a lighter clean color - black is just bad. Physics cannot be changed - you would need an IDEX printer with multiple printheads to isolate the black. Now, a good slicer and maybe dump the purge material into infill - but those are containers, so they do not exactly HAVE infill outside maybe the walls. Which means you are left with only a purge outside the models. If that would i.e. be a statue, there would possibly be a lot more infill to use as for the purge - but not with thinner walls. If you do not want the purge tower, then more wall layers are the alternative, making anything below shine less through. I know Bambu has i.e. a large matrix in the slicer from color to color indicating how much should be purged - but again, going from a DARK to a LIGHT colour is bad and requires extensive purging.
I actually like my Creality Cloud subscription but I did get mine for free for a year however I will renew my 1 year subscription; I think it's $98/yr. Worth it for me since I do a lot of work while on the road.
If you do a lot from your phone then it’s definitely probably worth it. Personally I use my laptop for everything and just use the app for notifications on the machine and occasionally checking the cam.
"Printed it beautifully" - While showing a print with horrible bleed. Even with your bleed settings changes, you can clearly see bleed in both the orange and white parts. And that is a fairly big model where I would expect there to be enough volume in each leayer to not make it that obvious so far around the model from the color change. This printer clearly has a problem with purging old filiment completely. Probably fixable in software, but Creality clearly did not take the time to do that pre-launch. Creality seem to have a product launch plan that consists of 'Throw as much at the wall as possible and see what sticks'.
@TwoMooseToo I was looking into a Plus 4 but with the electronics issues and heater duct issue popping up I'm gonna wait on that until they put out some fixes. Maybe I'll end up getting this one instead
Oh yeah no complaints here. I’m very grateful I get to test the newest printers from all the major companies before they hit the market. I was simply stating I was excited and have been waiting for it to land
I’m guessing here but I’m assuming once they catch up with demand they will drop the price. They seem to do that with most releases. I love my Bambu printers they are amazing. The advantage here is build area and a heater. I’ll do a video comparing the multi color and how much the heater affects quality on abs and Asa. I have some PC laying around too I’ll try
I won't fall for new products from Creality a second time. I bought the K1 when it was brand new and it was mediocre. Only after the third hotend generation and the second extruder and several firmware versions do I usually get usable results. But mine rattles and no tip from the Internet has helped so far, and the first fan is now defective. The only thing it could print reasonably well straight away was Hyper-PLA, everything else required a lot of fiddling at the beginning. I was only able to print TPU properly after months (second hotend, second extruder). I only buy printers that have proven themselves for at least 1-2 years.
Not impressed by the massive color bleeding (bad nozzle design?), and the layer shifts on the benchy. The latter might be too much speed, but if it doesn’t print correctly at that speed it shouldn’t be advertised for that speed. Mine comes in November, my first Creality printer, hopefully not the last…
All the 3d printers over shoot the benchy speeds. Although my Bambu prints it’s pretty clean but I think it’s a 17 minute benchy. And I think you’re right on the nozzle design. I’ve been doing more testing and the purge amounts are roughly double what they are of my p1s. I will mess around more and “dial it in” and see if creality has suggestions. Other than more purging and larger prime tower I’m not sure what else to do to reduce it. Sure other filaments bleed less but I feel it shouldn’t matter to an extent.
Creality is always scammy, sorry for your purchase, go with bambu instead. I'm not a fanboy at all, is just that bambu printers have better print quality.
I used to buy all these DIY printers (Artiliary, Elegoo, and Creality). Bambu Lab changes the games in print quality, but there is no fuse setup or calibration. The bench on this is crap. I bought the A1 to test and see what all the fuse was about. The A1 printed the bench as a ready-to-sell model. It's that good! My next printer will be the PS1 AMS.
lol that I can not answer yet. That’s why I try to get a few hundred hours through it before I put out an official review. But it’s also based on my printer some people seem to have tons of problems with every printer brand
The AMS not being an active dryer isn't as much an issue as people make it. There's actually a possibility to overdry filament and as long as you put it in there dry it won't absorb moisture. The pre-orders even come with a 2 spool dryer.
Thanks for watching! The printer was sent to me from creality, I did not purchase it so im not part of any shipping groups. I've had the printer for weeks now.
@ yeah they must be cooking up something good. I’ve had about 5k sitting here since the start of the year to buy it as I need it for my business, it would be annoying to have to get another branded printer now because I want a size increase. If it’s 400x400 or 350x350, I’ll be getting rid of my elegoo 4 max’s.
I’m hoping it’s for sure 350. That would be amazing. I wouldn’t be shocked if it was like 2k though. 400 is massssive. Even this k2 is like twice the size of my X1C. Wish I could post photos in here lol
@ I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a tool changer either. I think that’s the way they’ll be going. Or they have some how figured out how to do multicolour resin printing lol
I have almost a million followers across my platforms. I started a new channel dedicated to reviews. Channels don’t grow overnight. But thanks for the comment 👍🏼
I'll be interested to see your follow-up video on this machine after you've used it for a while. The 350mm-cubed build volume is awesome and just the kind of thing I've been looking for in a 3D printer, but then being locked into their proprietary slicer and being forced to use their cloud service to run the printer is a serious no-go for me. I won't even consider purchasing this printer because of those two things. It needs the ability to work in LAN-only mode and it needs to work with other slicers, Orca in particular, right out of the box. I'm pretty disappointed, especially given how excited I was for a core-XY machine with this kind of build volume. Guess I'll just have to continue to wait and see if Bambu ever comes out with a 350mm-cubed machine. If so, I'll be first in line.
The printer does have LAN, it also runs on orca, it’s what I’m using now. I’m not a huge fan of the provided slicer. It’s fine I just like orca/Bambu lay out. I have about 100 hours into it now. I’m about to start printing abs and such to see how it handles that stuff and I’ll get started on the follow up shortly
Overall it’s been pretty good, the only issue I’ve had was the bleeding which I’m still messing with. I’d assume Bambu had to come out with something soon as the other companies are catching up
@@TwoMooseToo - Well that's good news for this printer. It had me worried during your setup when it wouldn't proceed without you creating and using a cloud account with it. And then they basically told you they throttled the slicing and processing speeds, unless you paid them more money for a premium account, which would then allow you to do those things "faster." At that point, if it was me, I'd have unplugged it, put it back in the box, and just sent it back. Hate that crap. Sounds like you've got some solid hours on it now, though, and with a proper slicer, so I'll definitely be interested in your follow-up. I'm more interested in quality than speed, so if it does a good job it might just make it back onto my list for consideration. I'd have honestly already purchased a Bambu machine by now, but I'd really like a bigger build volume like this machine offers. Like you said, they better have something like that in the works, because others are catching up. Thanks for the reply.
@@TwoMooseToo - Ironically, I was watching another channel that was evaluating a completely different 3D printer with multi-color capability, and they basically had to increase purge volumes to clear that bleeding effect. It still never completely went away, but they got it pretty close.
I don’t understand why it had me connect to the Cloud, I think it’s just to get you to download the app. I use orca and send my files that way. The app is mehhh but it is nice because I can check the camera and this afternoon I got a notification that my spool was empty and I ran out there to swap it. But I don’t use the app for anything else, I’m assuming the processing speed is uploading though the app which I never even tried.
This is the clearest depiction of a full print i've seen so far aside from a dead pool mask, which the texture of looked very nice, but also obscured any potential discrepancies. It was enough to dissaude me, I'll wait to see what bambulabs puts out in Q1 2025.
Broken feet right out of the box...check! Waited months for this printer and the damn thing is broken because of a cheap m4 screw. A little disappointed.
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073bambu was a big step up in reliability when they came out. Now it's the standard people expect so we're going to see more like them.
Who hurt your butt man. I dont do reviews. Bambu owes me nothing, i owe them nothing. I made a literal statement of fact based on my experience with the equipment I own thus far. Dont like it? Kick rocks. My printers and AMS systems still existing and working issue free are all the receipts I need to bring.
And just to clarify, i never owned a 3d printer before. And knew nothing about 4 weeks ago. I bought 1 X1C and AMS, was blown away, immediatelly bought another X1C and 2 more AMS units. They have been running NON STOP 24 hours a day since then and habe never failed one time, even with my complete lack of experience. No bed adhesion issues, no feed issues, no exreusion issues, no ams issues, no clogs. I tell it to print, it prints, and its perfect every time. I genuinelly dont give a shit if your experience has been different. This is mine.
I don’t know that would be a question for creality. If there’s something wrong with it they might but I’m not sure. I’m sure you could email them and get an answer
3D printers are in general a steal and deal business. The difference now is that they are moving away from DIY hacks to consumer products while still in a "decent" price range. Another important change is further bundeling of software services and printer hardware. (here creality has some catching up to do). Prusa and Bamboo are currently in the lead, but we will see... DIY products will never catchup here due to the quality in details...
Doesn't seem very impressive to me. The only thing I see nice is the build plate volume, But the prints don't seem all that great unless you want to spend days changing things. I guess that should be expected considering that's what Creality seems to be known for. Creality are some of the worst printers I have ever owned!
So… they copy Bambu and it takes them 4 attempts to be close to the X1. And everyone is awestruck. In a couple of months the next gen Bambu will be out and this will be viewed as it should be as lame.
That’s how it works man. People try and copy the best of what ever is out there in any industry. It took all these companies years to come out with multi color and most of them still don’t have it. I don’t think Bambu is very worried.
I really like how creality is approaching this, however I will not buy one of these until I can root it and run orca slicer. Creality's ecosystem is hot garbage and I refuse to be confined to it.
@@TwoMooseToo Yea they run a fluidd fork for their printers. I don't like fluidd I prefer mainsail, I know pepsi vs coke but it's just what I like. That's nice that they already have a profile on Orca slicer, it gives me hope this may finally be a good launch product from creality.
Because I literally just did an auto bed level sequence 😆 why would I waste 4 minutes running it again. Know what you’re talking about before you bash others. That’s literally all the calibration does, if I was to run abs or something with a hotter bed temp than 60 the sure otherwise you don’t have to do a bed level before every single print
Though Creality's Ender and CR series have always been my go-to choices, I've also heard that FLSUN has been making some pretty good strides lately. Looking forward to seeing more comparative videos like this.
After the next video I will compare it to the X1c or P1S. I considered the Qidi Plus 4 but they do not offer multi color just yet.
What the Qidi lacks in multi-material it makes up for in the ability to burn down your house. There's nothing on the market and nothing on the horizon that looks like it'll compete with Bambu offerings. It's comparing horse and buggy to current cars.
FYI, today a Qidi 4 vid from 3dMusketeer showed the heated chamber board get up to 175c,(with firmware update) and without firmware update (out of box) it was pushing over 650W when rated to only 400w on chamber power supply. Def fire risk either way
As someone who doesn't care about multicolor prints I really want to see a comparison to the Qidi plus 4.
Would be nice to see a comparison between this creality, p1s and Qidi plus 4. I don't care much about the AMS, but the quality, speed and overall user experience between those printers is something that I would like to see 🙂
Looking forward to x1c/p1s comparison.
Also, the red, white and blue popsicle you're thinking of is Bomb Pops.
Nice review. You got my subscription for that. Keep it going.
Thank you! Starting the follow up video today
"Bomb Pops" Brother! Thats what the red, white an Blue Popsicles were called here. I really think the K2 is the 2024 3D Printer of the year! Grea job showing us what it comes with and how its packed etc.
Creality's track record is what puts me off. All reviews of this K2 Plus are so positive that it sounds "bought". Especially if at the same time early birds receiving theirs complains about doors falling off. Are those reports fake? Maybe. But as said, Creality's track record does make them believable. So, time will tell whether this K2 Plus has some skeletons in the closet as the Qidi Plus 4 did (despite similar awesome initial reviews). One thing it definitely does not have going for it is the price. $1500 for something with the Creality brand on it, just seems too much risk to me ...
I own a K1 Max and it is a great printer that has given me zero issues. The ender 3 is 6 years older than the first 3D printer Bambu Lab released and was never meant to be a high end printer. It was the state of the art at the time for quality vs. price. You could have bought a much more expensive printer at that time that would have given you marginally better prints. Also, Creality open sources most of their products. They don’t control what other venders releasing their printers are doing QC wise. Bambu Lab came on the market, stole a lot of the technology they use, and packed it all into their printers. Good for them, but the X1E is the closet comparison to the K1 Plus and costs $2500… the K1 Plus cost $1400 and has a larger build volume. So when Bambu Lab releases a printer that has the same specs, including the build volume, let’s see how much it costs.
The problem is that they have given so many of these away to UA-cam “reviewers” that there are none to actually purchase. Strange business model
these reviews are to be taken as just words.n. with the revelation of flsun paying youtubers for favourable reviews, and hiring bot armies to post on videos and reddit ect. unless it's by a guy who bought it and is showing I proof. a lot of the time, they also. show no actual proof of such good prints. far away snaps, and. processed prints
I don't see it strange at all this is a very common practice.
It's just like an interview with actors before the movie has come out and often those interviewers get to see the movie prior to release or any gaming console elec that's given to key reviewers like IGN or CNET before their production release.
This advertising method has obviously worked for them so they continue to do it.
There's definitely UA-camrs who stretch the truth and misinform people but Jeff doesn't do that as he's being honest in the video about the lack luster results or limitations
@techguy38 and u know this how ?
They arent released yet.....
@@xDarthwarzxat solar inverter one reviewer published his emails and offers....you can assume almost everything is paid advertising.
As with all creality products this one seems to be "different". What I mean by that is that it works as advertised and the customer is not going out and purchasing other things like a new hotend to fix the product's shortcomings. Now we need to hear from people 6 months down the road to see if they are still in love. I have stopped buying Creality products when I purchased the CR10S Pro. I'm waiting for Bamboo to release in 2025 to see what they have to offer in Large Format Printers.
I have had a K1 Max for quite some time. I just got a 1/4” tooling plate, cut it to size, drilled four holes in it and just sandwiched right on top of the existing aluminum plate. I now have a very flat and so far un-warping plate (+- .6 mm). The sandwich takes just a bit longer to warm up, but not bad.
I am waiting for my K2 like a kid before Christmas. 😂 Thanks for the nice introduction!
Nice! That’s definitely what the machine needed out of the gate lol prints pla great
I feel you :D i just received theshipping email. yay!
@@SpawnItemsWhere are you located? I just checked my email, nothing yet. 🤬
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The purge problem is apparently caused by the hotend being so long, much longer than bambu hotends, and maybe the slicer is calculating purge with values calculated for bambu-length hotends
That’s what I think the problem is. I used creality and orca. Both still need to purge a ton, about double the p1s or X1C. I’ll do more experimenting and share in the follow up video
Yep, it's just reality. The point of no return is just plain longer. It'd slow down prints, but I wonder if a sacrificial filament designed to clear the nozzle would help.
I’ll do some more testing and see if creality has some suggestions
@@TwoMooseToo that's not at all how that works
@@cr4zyg047s. there atw loads of nozzles. similar sizes and longer. and again, not how that works
I used many printers in the past, simple creality as well as sophisticated idex, i.e. snapmaker. Recently I got a Bambu P1S and was literally washed away with print quality, software maturity and the overall package. I neither need a heated chamber nor a larger print room, so lucky me. My personal conclusion: reviewers focus way too much on „the latest and greatest“. What’s worth so much more is a well designed overall package plus good software. The P1S produced better print results oob than any of my existing ones with hours of slicer tweaking. I am done with chasing the latest and greatest. I now go with the ones that have been popular for some time, have sorted out their initial issues, and are typically now available at great discount prices. The P1S + AMS is a stunning package (which I btw paid with my own money, so no affiliations to anyone whatsoever).
I'd consider the p1s or any of the Bambu printers but I have something to consider that 99% of others don't have to. I'm blind so everything I get must work with computers out of the box and Bambu labs don't work with Octoprint so I can't physically use them. Creality printers do, though, since they're open-source for the most part which makes it easy for me to connect my printer via USB and use Octoprint to control and monitor my printer.
Most people aren't going to need that kind of accessibility but literally, that's the only thing putting me off a Bambu printer. I'd get one if I could use it independently like I can my Creality printer.
@ I can appreciate your priorities. I wasn’t aware that there are such significant differences. My assumption was that by today, all major software supports standard accessibility interfaces, but apparently I was a bit naive. There needs to be much more awareness for accessibility in all software.
I love the improvements in speed with the newer motion systems and the machine being enclosed (big kudos there, filter out the nasties and control the environment for better prints). I hope they start doing dual nozzles, like the Ultimaker 3 / S5 and others have done. That would really reduce the waste and the bleed thru / marbling you see from changing colors.
I would loooove dual nozzle, that’s the most efficient way to print multi color for sure!
You the goat txh for the awesome 3d printing content very helpful for me to choose my 5th or 6th printer ❤
I appreciate you watching 🙏🏼
Took the plunge on yesterday's ebay deal of $1199 for the combo. Been feverishly waiting for more content - excited for reviews to drop.
We couldn’t post for a while, I’ve had it for probably a month. Hopefully I’ll have an update video out next week. Playing with some multi color then I’ll throw some abs, Asa, and stuff like that at it
you got a deal they increase the price
Being creality im sure they will drop the price once caught up. They always tease a main price then it ends up being on sale. Or just wait until Black Friday cyber Monday deals. I did see on facebook the price went up on eBay or something
Sorry for your purchase
@@elude3808What can I say, I like to live dangerously
Waiting for a longtime review before buying this printer. As always, super good niew to see another company innovating, but track record of creality not doing a propper QC, lacking development in some area and not complying with opensource licence... I'll wait.
On the video itself. Thank you for getting use a nice eary bird video of the experience of the printer ;)
should compare the weight of the purge side by side on the same print vs the bambu printers. creality or bambu might have their purge multiplier higher or lower.
I will in the follow up video, it’s about double. I cross checked with my Bambu slicer, orca, and creality print.
@@TwoMooseToo it would be a huge problem for creality if they are purging double the amount but still getting bleeds in the print.
Definitely wouldn’t be ideal. I’ll do more testing and see if creality has any suggestions
Many people want the CFS to be a dryer but.....
This would only work if we have 4 rolls of the same material that dry at the same temp. If we have different materials we will not be able to use it as a dryer without causing a disaster.
If we have ABS and PLA and we dry at ABS temp. the PLA roll will end up melted.
Good point.
A good compromise would be to have a dryer that maxes out at 45C. I'm not sure if ABS will dry out over time at that temp, but I would think it would prevent additional moisture from being absorbed.
I have never liked Creality all that much, but this might be their highest quality and best designed printers so far. I still think tool changers are the way to go for multi color, but this one is pretty nice. Also 14:52 Can you check if that heated bed covers the entire build plate? I noticed there is a cutout in the bottom of that which is much smaller than the bed size, so that makes me wonder if the heating element is smaller than the build plate like they did with the CR10 S5.
Seems they made just enough to supply reviewers and not to have stock to sell. I will wait another 6 months until it shows up on Amazon, cause their website does not ship to my country. Hopefully they will follow through with their promise of an upgrade for the K1 Max to support the CFS
I'm really interested in how to combat that multi color issue. I also hope I can use Orca... I hate Creality Slicer. The latest update to Orca does have Creality support so I'm hoping that means we can.
I have been using orca they provided me a profile
@ who is they?
I'm currently working on my full review video of this printer, is there anything you would like me to touch on or test?
Calibration print of some type. I don't know what they're called but have overhang/stringing,etc torture tests and See the heated chamber at work. Like a with and without heated chamber print for a different filament like ASA
For sure! I did this with the qidi plus 4 so I have the harder to print filaments on hand. Working on that video next
@TwoMooseToo ill check out the qidi vid. Just subscribed today. I'm thinking that with rooting my K2 (when it arrives) and using klipper i could get chamber up to 65-70 degrees but I'm not sure. Does it look like it can handle it?
I did not root the printer but it seems pretty well built, I haven’t messed with the heater yet. I will this week after I finish this giant Lego man 😆
PPS-CF filament - should test nozzle and heated chamber too. Whole bed one-layer sheet to test first layer. Maybe the torture toaster with some ASA/ABS. Some full volume print (height).
TPU man, that's all we want to see
Does this have lidar scanning like the X1C?
Pop cycle was called a Rocket Pop in my area.
Yeeessss I need to hunt down a box next time I get groceries
or Bombsicle
Re Pumpkins: There is no way to make them better. You MUST purge a certain amount of material to get a lighter clean color - black is just bad. Physics cannot be changed - you would need an IDEX printer with multiple printheads to isolate the black. Now, a good slicer and maybe dump the purge material into infill - but those are containers, so they do not exactly HAVE infill outside maybe the walls. Which means you are left with only a purge outside the models. If that would i.e. be a statue, there would possibly be a lot more infill to use as for the purge - but not with thinner walls.
If you do not want the purge tower, then more wall layers are the alternative, making anything below shine less through.
I know Bambu has i.e. a large matrix in the slicer from color to color indicating how much should be purged - but again, going from a DARK to a LIGHT colour is bad and requires extensive purging.
the K2 plus is out on orca slicer 2.2.0
I actually like my Creality Cloud subscription but I did get mine for free for a year however I will renew my 1 year subscription; I think it's $98/yr. Worth it for me since I do a lot of work while on the road.
If you do a lot from your phone then it’s definitely probably worth it. Personally I use my laptop for everything and just use the app for notifications on the machine and occasionally checking the cam.
Rocket pops 😉
Yeeeessss, I feel like I need to hunt a box down now 😆
This is 2x the price of Qidi 4pus. Qidi will fix the temperature issue and soon release their multicolor unit. So then how do they compare?
This is by far the best printer on the entire market
Said no 1 ever. It struggled to do a benchy. The a1 mini can preform better and it's £169 lol
Hello bot! 😅
Bomb pops
Yessss, now im craving one
"Printed it beautifully" - While showing a print with horrible bleed. Even with your bleed settings changes, you can clearly see bleed in both the orange and white parts. And that is a fairly big model where I would expect there to be enough volume in each leayer to not make it that obvious so far around the model from the color change. This printer clearly has a problem with purging old filiment completely. Probably fixable in software, but Creality clearly did not take the time to do that pre-launch. Creality seem to have a product launch plan that consists of 'Throw as much at the wall as possible and see what sticks'.
I was referring to the print quality itself, obviously the bleeding is not good.
Do you know if CFS will work with the k1max printer?
where to we find that snoopy pumpkin to print? :D
It is on makerworld.com
Does it have an exhaust port on the back to attach an exhaust duct?
Nice printer. But where do we get colored 3d models? Are they available on the casual platforms?
Yep! Check out makerworld.com you can sort by “multi color”
Printables has a ton of hueforge.
Download regular models and color them in the slicer
18:26 is that an X1C?
It’s the qidi plus 4, I also have the Bambu printers as well.
@TwoMooseToo I was looking into a Plus 4 but with the electronics issues and heater duct issue popping up I'm gonna wait on that until they put out some fixes. Maybe I'll end up getting this one instead
Maybe try creality print for the multi colored maybe they have something added for it to look better
That’s what I used. I’m using orca now and it’s roughly the same for color bleed.
Do you like this one better than the Bambu Carbon?
In my eyes this is a updated Version of x1c with a few more features, improvements
And larger size.
will the CFS be available separately ? will it work with a K1?
They mentioned earlier it would but I don’t know exactly. It he k1 doesn’t have a filament cutter or poop shoot so not sure how that would work
Late deliveries suck, but free is always good right?
Oh yeah no complaints here. I’m very grateful I get to test the newest printers from all the major companies before they hit the market. I was simply stating I was excited and have been waiting for it to land
OMG, the build volume is nice, but this thing is priced $500 above X1C Combo. Someone at Creality has high expectations - or they're just high.
I’m guessing here but I’m assuming once they catch up with demand they will drop the price. They seem to do that with most releases. I love my Bambu printers they are amazing. The advantage here is build area and a heater. I’ll do a video comparing the multi color and how much the heater affects quality on abs and Asa. I have some PC laying around too I’ll try
It is priced at 1500$ just like x1c before the sale. And by specs it is so much more then over hyped x1c. Wich I have and it is just ok.
Guess it was ment to refer to P1S Combo...
I won't fall for new products from Creality a second time. I bought the K1 when it was brand new and it was mediocre. Only after the third hotend generation and the second extruder and several firmware versions do I usually get usable results. But mine rattles and no tip from the Internet has helped so far, and the first fan is now defective.
The only thing it could print reasonably well straight away was Hyper-PLA, everything else required a lot of fiddling at the beginning. I was only able to print TPU properly after months (second hotend, second extruder).
I only buy printers that have proven themselves for at least 1-2 years.
Help you keep fit
How do you get an inside track on getting one? I tried to "pre-order" only to have my cart vanish and say out of stock within 5 sec.
The printer was sent to me by creality to test
Rocket pops.
surprising how all these creality utubers say how thick plate is a big deal any time i mentioned it on k1 max everyone said it doesn't matter :DDD
Thank you for not making this a damn vertical video. I can watch this on my 75" Samsung not a piece of crap phone.
Not impressed by the massive color bleeding (bad nozzle design?), and the layer shifts on the benchy. The latter might be too much speed, but if it doesn’t print correctly at that speed it shouldn’t be advertised for that speed. Mine comes in November, my first Creality printer, hopefully not the last…
All the 3d printers over shoot the benchy speeds. Although my Bambu prints it’s pretty clean but I think it’s a 17 minute benchy. And I think you’re right on the nozzle design. I’ve been doing more testing and the purge amounts are roughly double what they are of my p1s. I will mess around more and “dial it in” and see if creality has suggestions. Other than more purging and larger prime tower I’m not sure what else to do to reduce it. Sure other filaments bleed less but I feel it shouldn’t matter to an extent.
Creality is always scammy, sorry for your purchase, go with bambu instead. I'm not a fanboy at all, is just that bambu printers have better print quality.
I have all the Bambu printers but the p1p they are great printers.
@@TwoMooseToo Yeah P1P/P1S and X1C are totally amazing.
@@TwoMooseToo Initial impressions vs the X1C in print quality? I'm looking to pull the trigger soon (or maybe wait for the next bambu)
oO( must resist buying... must resist buying) 😖
you can do it! haha 3D printing is a problem you can not just have one printer. I bought one over a year ago now i have two racks.
This printer won't be good for about another year once the customer beta testers are done with it LMAO
Many new product launches run the risk of errors with the first purchasers.
@@TwoMooseToo Field test is best test.
This printer is sexy..........................................................
I think its a great looking printer! Lets just hope crealitys quality control is on point with this one!
I used to buy all these DIY printers (Artiliary, Elegoo, and Creality). Bambu Lab changes the games in print quality, but there is no fuse setup or calibration. The bench on this is crap. I bought the A1 to test and see what all the fuse was about. The A1 printed the bench as a ready-to-sell model. It's that good! My next printer will be the PS1 AMS.
Bambu makes great printers I have 3 of them
Looking at multicolor benchy, i think X1C is far better in print quality. How can it handle large print 350x350 with such print quality 😢😢😢
Atomic Popsicle?
The question is will you or won't you have to fix something on this printer in the next month or two.
lol that I can not answer yet. That’s why I try to get a few hundred hours through it before I put out an official review. But it’s also based on my printer some people seem to have tons of problems with every printer brand
@ Yea given that this is yet another revision on a pre-existing design gives me hope the tweaking will be minor. We will see.
The AMS not being an active dryer isn't as much an issue as people make it. There's actually a possibility to overdry filament and as long as you put it in there dry it won't absorb moisture.
The pre-orders even come with a 2 spool dryer.
Oh no I agree, no big deal. Just something that would be nice. Oh nice! I have the single creality dryer and I like it.
Greetings,
excellent video, where are you from, I'm from Italy, which purchasing group are you part of (50%-4p%.....)
thanks for the reply
Thanks for watching! The printer was sent to me from creality, I did not purchase it so im not part of any shipping groups. I've had the printer for weeks now.
Rocket popsicles
lol…. You called the CMS..”AMS”…..
Don’t tell anyone 😆
Rocket pop
Oof. That benchy looks horrible. I’m holding out for a large format Bambu.
If you have any 3d printers that you don't use and want to give it away, im here to help 🤠
Atomic popsicle
They definitely gave a few different kinds someone else said bomb pops or rocket pops too lol either way I’m gonna find a box
What do you guys think of the K2?
ask us next year :)
😆😆
bambu labs is really dropping the ball right now, losing more and more customers everyday.
They have to be dropping something major soon. It’s been a while and the other brands are starting to catch up
@ yeah they must be cooking up something good.
I’ve had about 5k sitting here since the start of the year to buy it as I need it for my business, it would be annoying to have to get another branded printer now because I want a size increase.
If it’s 400x400 or 350x350, I’ll be getting rid of my elegoo 4 max’s.
I’m hoping it’s for sure 350. That would be amazing. I wouldn’t be shocked if it was like 2k though. 400 is massssive. Even this k2 is like twice the size of my X1C. Wish I could post photos in here lol
@ I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a tool changer either. I think that’s the way they’ll be going. Or they have some how figured out how to do multicolour resin printing lol
That would be epic. The prusa xl is insane expensive but virtually no waste so I guess if that’s what you do it evens out.
After 6 months "k2 plus c" will come and it definitely has problems. :)
WOW 1k subs gets you a 1.2l$ printer?
I have almost a million followers across my platforms. I started a new channel dedicated to reviews. Channels don’t grow overnight. But thanks for the comment 👍🏼
@TwoMooseToo I had no idea. Never seen you before. 👍🏽
If you click the description you can find my main channel. I also can be found on all the short form platforms. Thanks for stopping by
X1C definitely Better
I have all the Bambu printers and they are great
This boat looks "French" man!!! > Bleu, Blanc, Rouge...
I'll be interested to see your follow-up video on this machine after you've used it for a while. The 350mm-cubed build volume is awesome and just the kind of thing I've been looking for in a 3D printer, but then being locked into their proprietary slicer and being forced to use their cloud service to run the printer is a serious no-go for me. I won't even consider purchasing this printer because of those two things. It needs the ability to work in LAN-only mode and it needs to work with other slicers, Orca in particular, right out of the box. I'm pretty disappointed, especially given how excited I was for a core-XY machine with this kind of build volume. Guess I'll just have to continue to wait and see if Bambu ever comes out with a 350mm-cubed machine. If so, I'll be first in line.
The printer does have LAN, it also runs on orca, it’s what I’m using now. I’m not a huge fan of the provided slicer. It’s fine I just like orca/Bambu lay out. I have about 100 hours into it now. I’m about to start printing abs and such to see how it handles that stuff and I’ll get started on the follow up shortly
Overall it’s been pretty good, the only issue I’ve had was the bleeding which I’m still messing with. I’d assume Bambu had to come out with something soon as the other companies are catching up
@@TwoMooseToo - Well that's good news for this printer. It had me worried during your setup when it wouldn't proceed without you creating and using a cloud account with it. And then they basically told you they throttled the slicing and processing speeds, unless you paid them more money for a premium account, which would then allow you to do those things "faster." At that point, if it was me, I'd have unplugged it, put it back in the box, and just sent it back. Hate that crap.
Sounds like you've got some solid hours on it now, though, and with a proper slicer, so I'll definitely be interested in your follow-up. I'm more interested in quality than speed, so if it does a good job it might just make it back onto my list for consideration. I'd have honestly already purchased a Bambu machine by now, but I'd really like a bigger build volume like this machine offers. Like you said, they better have something like that in the works, because others are catching up.
Thanks for the reply.
@@TwoMooseToo - Ironically, I was watching another channel that was evaluating a completely different 3D printer with multi-color capability, and they basically had to increase purge volumes to clear that bleeding effect. It still never completely went away, but they got it pretty close.
I don’t understand why it had me connect to the Cloud, I think it’s just to get you to download the app. I use orca and send my files that way. The app is mehhh but it is nice because I can check the camera and this afternoon I got a notification that my spool was empty and I ran out there to swap it. But I don’t use the app for anything else, I’m assuming the processing speed is uploading though the app which I never even tried.
Wish the quality was better. Not for me
That’s okay there’s lots of printer option out there now days
Very disappointed with the amount of waste compared to part size, and to still have bleed through is borderline insulting.
This is the clearest depiction of a full print i've seen so far aside from a dead pool mask, which the texture of looked very nice, but also obscured any potential discrepancies. It was enough to dissaude me, I'll wait to see what bambulabs puts out in Q1 2025.
print a sacrificial model and flush to that model
Broken feet right out of the box...check! Waited months for this printer and the damn thing is broken because of a cheap m4 screw. A little disappointed.
I buy driers from creality. I buy PRINTERS from bambu. As they are the only ones who make a proper printer thats worth the money.
I do really like the dryer lol the big sunlu dryer is really nice too. I’ll do a video comparing this to the X1C or p1s after my follow up video
As an x1c owner I say you are just a shill. Nothing special about Bambu. Same problems as any other printer.
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073bambu was a big step up in reliability when they came out. Now it's the standard people expect so we're going to see more like them.
Who hurt your butt man. I dont do reviews. Bambu owes me nothing, i owe them nothing. I made a literal statement of fact based on my experience with the equipment I own thus far. Dont like it? Kick rocks. My printers and AMS systems still existing and working issue free are all the receipts I need to bring.
And just to clarify, i never owned a 3d printer before. And knew nothing about 4 weeks ago. I bought 1 X1C and AMS, was blown away, immediatelly bought another X1C and 2 more AMS units. They have been running NON STOP 24 hours a day since then and habe never failed one time, even with my complete lack of experience. No bed adhesion issues, no feed issues, no exreusion issues, no ams issues, no clogs. I tell it to print, it prints, and its perfect every time. I genuinelly dont give a shit if your experience has been different. This is mine.
Gona be honest for the price these are. The a1 mini prints better and it's only £169. To me this is like a posh faster ender 3. Still terrible
Too big and heavyweight to send back
Yeah it would be pretty expensive to send back if they didn’t cover it
@TwoMooseToo so they cover it ?
I don’t know that would be a question for creality. If there’s something wrong with it they might but I’m not sure. I’m sure you could email them and get an answer
Bambu RIP OFF
Someone has to pave the way forward, that’s how technology and advancements in technology work. Great things will try and be copied
3D printers are in general a steal and deal business.
The difference now is that they are moving away from DIY hacks to consumer products while still in a "decent" price range.
Another important change is further bundeling of software services and printer hardware. (here creality has some catching up to do).
Prusa and Bamboo are currently in the lead, but we will see...
DIY products will never catchup here due to the quality in details...
Just another knock off, I'll pass because knowing Creality is will have loads of issues.
Doesn't seem very impressive to me. The only thing I see nice is the build plate volume, But the prints don't seem all that great unless you want to spend days changing things. I guess that should be expected considering that's what Creality seems to be known for. Creality are some of the worst printers I have ever owned!
Creality has fallen off way too much as a whole
Too much noise, horrible, I don’t need fast printer, immensely better a prusa mk4
Hard pass, just not good enough for the money.
multi color = WASTE maker
Yep
That looks awful 😞
This is bad
So… they copy Bambu and it takes them 4 attempts to be close to the X1. And everyone is awestruck. In a couple of months the next gen Bambu will be out and this will be viewed as it should be as lame.
That’s how it works man. People try and copy the best of what ever is out there in any industry. It took all these companies years to come out with multi color and most of them still don’t have it. I don’t think Bambu is very worried.
I really like how creality is approaching this, however I will not buy one of these until I can root it and run orca slicer. Creality's ecosystem is hot garbage and I refuse to be confined to it.
I’ve been running orca with it. It runs on Klipper so I’m assuming you can root it like their other printers
@@TwoMooseToo Yea they run a fluidd fork for their printers. I don't like fluidd I prefer mainsail, I know pepsi vs coke but it's just what I like. That's nice that they already have a profile on Orca slicer, it gives me hope this may finally be a good launch product from creality.
To me its just a Bambu copycat😅
Bambu is also a copy-cat... The 3d printing business is rooted in rep-rap and the culture follows.
But, nice to see "cheaper" out-of-the-box products.
Why did you unlock calbiration tick? You are a mooron.
Because I literally just did an auto bed level sequence 😆 why would I waste 4 minutes running it again. Know what you’re talking about before you bash others. That’s literally all the calibration does, if I was to run abs or something with a hotter bed temp than 60 the sure otherwise you don’t have to do a bed level before every single print