Hal Reveals What Was Going On With Verhulst

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    Timestamps:
    00:00 Recap
    00:45 Hal Reacts to Raven
    05:25 Hal Thoughts on Verhulst
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  • @rickyg8750
    @rickyg8750 Місяць тому +223

    every players wants to quit apex at some point

    • @thefurmidablecatlucky3
      @thefurmidablecatlucky3 Місяць тому +13

      it's Apex, so it would be hard to not want to quit at some point

    • @elsamurai1220
      @elsamurai1220 Місяць тому +25

      One of the big reasons its hard to quit is because theres no alternative fps to play.

    • @redzone4412
      @redzone4412 Місяць тому +7

      @@elsamurai1220genuinely it’s either fort, Cod, or valorant / Csgo maybe over watch which is just shambles

    • @elsamurai1220
      @elsamurai1220 Місяць тому

      @@redzone4412 The only one I'm interested in right now is xdefiant.

    • @Varlei.-
      @Varlei.- Місяць тому +5

      Stop going to the gym and having a routine is wild.

  • @Jah.Jah.Saint777
    @Jah.Jah.Saint777 Місяць тому +79

    Blame it on Samantha

  • @TheNewThrone
    @TheNewThrone Місяць тому +63

    I actually would judge someone who DIDNT want to quit apex

  • @jns08d
    @jns08d Місяць тому +117

    Man this apex soap opera arc is very interesting to say the least lmao

  • @SirTopHat_
    @SirTopHat_ Місяць тому +52

    This is getting blown so out of proportion. Burn outs happen, it's normal especially at their level. What he needed was a break, sounds like they all did tbh but the timing didn't allow it.

    • @DeconstructU2124
      @DeconstructU2124 Місяць тому +1

      verhulst said raven fell off, raven said verhulst had no motitvation,hal agreed, u must be new to scrims if ths is this blown out of porportion to u

    • @jamiep4674
      @jamiep4674 Місяць тому

      @@DeconstructU2124Considering his comment has likes and yours doesn’t. Would appear everyone disagrees with you.

    • @DrkStarz
      @DrkStarz Місяць тому

      @@jamiep4674you have zero likes to his 1 like

  • @lizhang9807
    @lizhang9807 Місяць тому +193

    dam feels bad for evan, depression is cray cray ... ppl might think depression is you feeling sad, depression is actually you stopping doing the things you used enjoy doing, and you stop doing everything if it gets really bad....

    • @zafraan3038
      @zafraan3038 Місяць тому +10

      Depression or Burnout?

    • @CLNAW
      @CLNAW Місяць тому +15

      @@zafraan3038 depends. Burnout is when you don’t enjoy one thing in my opinion but if you try to just power through burnout it can lead to depression or a depressive episode.

    • @xanira6367
      @xanira6367 Місяць тому +5

      not you calling depression "cray cray"
      lmfoa im sorry i deal with shit too but thats funny

    • @fizz_time7003
      @fizz_time7003 Місяць тому +1

      Nah depression. Depression is like you not feeling sad but just not feeling like doing basic things like waking up and brushing your teeth. You just end up not feeling like doing anything. You can feel burnout for one particular thing but still be ok to do everything else.

    • @Fence-Dogs-More
      @Fence-Dogs-More Місяць тому +1

      He took unhealthy amounts of adderall. He has addiction issues

  • @elijahperry3454
    @elijahperry3454 Місяць тому +20

    It’s funny bc this is the first time Evan has had any drama in like 2-3 years

  • @sppl623
    @sppl623 Місяць тому +87

    hal calling raven out for repeating the same few points is hilarious

    • @drdrio90
      @drdrio90 Місяць тому +9

      Hal sayd raven was right. Hal left because of Even

    • @nojithan
      @nojithan Місяць тому +17

      Yeah, the two of them say the same shit about 7 times before they move onto a new subject.

    • @soda1741
      @soda1741 Місяць тому +1

      @@drdrio90Hal never said he left TSM because of raven 🤦‍♂️

    • @drdrio90
      @drdrio90 Місяць тому +4

      @@soda1741 learn to read. Not Raven. Because of Even!

    • @slylockfox85
      @slylockfox85 Місяць тому

      5:16 Hal also seems kind of dense here. Pretty sure Raven doesn't want to name drop and get Hal in trouble.

  • @mitchyymendonca4054
    @mitchyymendonca4054 Місяць тому +28

    Rank got too much hackers and that alone would make u wanna stop playing apex

  • @urwrldluv
    @urwrldluv Місяць тому +7

    S/O Gen “Not the first brother” when Hal said Evan wanted to quit. Pretty sure a lot of apex pros have thought of quitting this shitty game.

  • @ThePatriots1959
    @ThePatriots1959 Місяць тому +21

    While I dont agree with what he said, Tbf to Evan, he got asked to compare is current coach with his ex coach who objectively is a much more tenured coach. He didn't want to shit on his current coach so he had to find a way to say that they were close in terms of ability.

    • @Kishimita7204
      @Kishimita7204 Місяць тому +4

      He couldn’t just said he didn’t have answer. Or also give raven credit when it was him that was lacking passion for the game.

    • @dangelotaylor2149
      @dangelotaylor2149 Місяць тому +3

      It's not what he said but how he said it.
      He could have said I vibe with one coach over the other more.
      He could have said one coach has a preferred style of coaching I like more.
      But they are still young and on the grandest stage of them all and has social platform.

    • @MsPango123
      @MsPango123 Місяць тому +1

      Tbf to him, he did say they all fell off and not just Raven.

    • @tannerw5011
      @tannerw5011 Місяць тому

      he’s not good with media, and a lot of this is we the people fault for asking a drama filled question. idk why more people aren’t mentioning this, i commented it on another vid

  • @shiki494
    @shiki494 Місяць тому +8

    Depression is not a joke and people need to understand that playing the same shit over and over again for five years straight is just exhausting. Plus being a streamer doesnt make you live a full life, you have a shit ton of money yeah, but you just sit on your pc so many hours a day losing so many things outside and you are basically losing the best years of your life. So I understand Evan and his toughts are very mature. I hope the guy gets through it and will be happy whatever he pursue.

    • @OrangeSoda1432
      @OrangeSoda1432 Місяць тому

      He’s not depressed, he’s being a lazy bastard. Do that at work and you getting fired my boy. Take the depression shit to the therapist not to your job.

  • @GerryLo5198
    @GerryLo5198 Місяць тому +4

    Evan is a goat, so are Hal and Jordan. The expectations for them were always sky high. I can see how easily the game became a chore for Evan, instead of fun. He did say the game could feel like a job for him sometimes. Honestly I think a nice long break from the game could have done him wonders. But that’s not possible in this current pro scene. It’s either play the game, or get left behind.

  • @z1mo7204
    @z1mo7204 Місяць тому +6

    "phillip" at 5:41 sent me 💀

  • @soldiers360
    @soldiers360 Місяць тому +33

    Raven ego is insane, dude literally took over a championship team with the best igl, top 2 fraggers and the best support player in reps. (arguably) . And thinks it was because of him.

    • @Ben-nx6pd
      @Ben-nx6pd Місяць тому +2

      The best IGL in the game stood up on the stage after winning, getting 2nd and winning again in one year and everytime said that Raven was the biggest reason they stayed at the top. The guy has an ego but youre just wrong

    • @kirksuda3445
      @kirksuda3445 Місяць тому

      "Coaches" in video games is kinda funny. Tarded actually. Raven is the creme de le cum shot of ego in a place that isnt even necessary. Fuckin cringe.

    • @OrangeSoda1432
      @OrangeSoda1432 Місяць тому

      @@Ben-nx6pdhe’s dick riding Evan. If that was Hal, they’d be shitting on him. Since it’s Mr nice guy, it’s okay to be a complacent mediocre player.

    • @mcdonaldsmanager6976
      @mcdonaldsmanager6976 Місяць тому

      Idk if everybody just lost their fuckin memory or some shit. But not once did any player on AAAAND out of TSM has ever said Raven was a bad coach. Everybody, the fans, the org, the fucking players, and your grandmother called Raven the best addition to the team as a coach. Now when they separate and start “talking shit” ya’ll just act like that shit never happened. Fuck it let’s act like TSM was never good to begin with. You guys are the epitome of bandwagon dipshits

    • @Greeey
      @Greeey 11 днів тому

      Hal also said that raven retaught him macro from the ground up and contributed a lot of their success to him

  • @yashawal
    @yashawal Місяць тому +5

    Hal missed the part where raven gassed him up so hard lol

  • @darthbane6021
    @darthbane6021 Місяць тому +1

    After this coming out I agree with Hal’s decision wholeheartedly. If both of your teammates aren’t putting in the same work you are i can see why that would be frustrating. He thought his team didn’t have passion anymore and did what was best for him. Best of luck to Hal but I won’t be giving up on Big E. He’s young and just went through a dark time. I think Hal leaving was a HUGE wake up call for him.. hopefully he gets reps in the same mode.

  • @nuriasilva9878
    @nuriasilva9878 Місяць тому +3

    The tea is getting spilled

  • @Fatpumpumlovah2
    @Fatpumpumlovah2 Місяць тому +1

    this is why you should always have all sides of the story and not jump to conclusions based souly on your feelings and "friendship/fanhood" for a player.

  • @solomonbacon8893
    @solomonbacon8893 Місяць тому +1

    hal just keeping it real as possible.

  • @GMilstead102
    @GMilstead102 Місяць тому +5

    idk if the whole "quitting the game" take holds much water whenever reps has been notorious for not playing the game. And no disrespect to jordan, but thats an odd complaint.

    • @mcdonaldsmanager6976
      @mcdonaldsmanager6976 Місяць тому

      Also considering he plays the more demanding mechanical input in the game

  • @Unforgivenn
    @Unforgivenn Місяць тому +1

    you can 100% see how much the passion changed with TSm after hal left. you could tell even didn't really seem happy to play

  • @SenatorTacos
    @SenatorTacos Місяць тому +24

    Verhulst is the sane person and understands there is no futrue in this game.

    • @simonisdanilo3950
      @simonisdanilo3950 Місяць тому +2

      How you know??

    • @SenatorTacos
      @SenatorTacos Місяць тому

      @@simonisdanilo3950 Being a professional in the Apex Legends Pro League is not financially sustainable due to the nature of the career. There is insufficient financial support in esports, making it difficult to meet personal financial responsibilities.

    • @illyaaqasha5387
      @illyaaqasha5387 Місяць тому +1

      and surprise he still played the game

    • @SenatorTacos
      @SenatorTacos Місяць тому +2

      @@illyaaqasha5387 indeed, peer pressure is an actual thing.

    • @FalcoTheFinesser
      @FalcoTheFinesser Місяць тому

      Ur dumb

  • @arthurlamora8520
    @arthurlamora8520 Місяць тому

    Hal is absolutely right its comp its not personal u wanna win or u wanna be nice

  • @ROKE_89
    @ROKE_89 Місяць тому +1

    maybe the fact that hal quit was a bit of a wake up call to Reps and Verhulst to play more

  • @arctictropic1147
    @arctictropic1147 Місяць тому +65

    I would too if Raven was my coach. Dude has weird takes and became this egotistical doche.

    • @drdrio90
      @drdrio90 Місяць тому

      You are not pro anyway😂😂
      Even is the reason Hal left. So stfu

  • @toxicmurda2916
    @toxicmurda2916 Місяць тому

    evan got on them percs and said fawk it 😂

  • @DiilemmaOf2AM
    @DiilemmaOf2AM Місяць тому +1

    5:39 🤣

  • @BigGucciSosa22
    @BigGucciSosa22 Місяць тому +3

    I love Esports but the fact that all the players are streamers/personalities ruins it for me sometimes. telling strangers on the internet everything about everything has become normalized and I just find it weird. Sharing insignificant things like this is just very highschooly and cringe. idk

  • @DarkPlatinm27
    @DarkPlatinm27 Місяць тому +7

    1. Raven wouldn’t be able to help anything about Verhulst playing more. When your strategy sucks, playing more by itself won’t fix that. Raven is not a good coach and his next few teams will show it.
    2. It sucks that Verhulst stopped having drive to play the game and that can be attributed to a number of factors. I’m glad that everyone is seemingly happy with the decisions that have been made. (Aside from Raven because again, he wanted to ride that TSM wave as long as he could)
    3. This is purely my conjecture but it seems interesting when Hal says he’s angry that Verhulst is playing more now. It’s almost like Verhulst has lost one of the reasons that made him not want to play 🤷🏽‍♂️😂 It seems like maybe all the behaviors that kept getting swept under the rug as “teammates banter” might not have been just that. But when you are successful, everyone ignores it until you’re not. I think Hal and Verhulst as a team was always on borrowed time, much like Sweet and Gild. Being called out by the Hindsight King after every game that goes wrong wears you down. I’d imagine watching Verhulst now he’s much more lively and the vibes are up. If he wanted to quit, wouldn’t his best opportunity have been now? Hal leaves and Raven is out. The team is in a rebuild and if you were done with the game, why go through the effort of the rebuild? 🤷🏽‍♂️ just my opinion but everyone is happy so it’s a win win

    • @mcdonaldsmanager6976
      @mcdonaldsmanager6976 Місяць тому

      I agree with everything but Raven being a bad coach, at least during his time in TSM. Not much to say to back up my argument other than the fact all 3 players during that TSM run said he was a great coach up until the time these changes were being made. Its up to the organization and the players to determine whether or not Raven is a good coach. Not a fan no offense though

  • @C0nzilla
    @C0nzilla Місяць тому +51

    pRoFeSsIoNaL aPeX cOaCh

    • @upon-fe2720
      @upon-fe2720 Місяць тому +6

      Couldn't put it better myself. Stealing a living.

    • @TheGameInvasion
      @TheGameInvasion Місяць тому +5

      He’s such a self obsssesed giant baby with a massive ego. He heard Evan use the words “fall off” during a long winded explanation and literally focused on those two words like his family honour was shamed

    • @Bengyelly
      @Bengyelly Місяць тому

      I don’t get the sarcasm behind it? He has mad an organization 1mill + in earnings. That alone solidifies that title for him. Like if someone says I’m an underwear sales person. Sounds weird but if you selling millions how can you ridicule it. Unless it’s selling ya body for sex

    • @makaveli1337_
      @makaveli1337_ Місяць тому

      But fr what is the actual role of coach. Like what does he bring to the team apart from some pep talk

  • @thydevdom
    @thydevdom Місяць тому

    It was a weird thing to say, but he was also asked a question and just answered it. Lol

  • @vakral9997
    @vakral9997 Місяць тому

    Evan stated yesterday that it just wasn't fun playing with Hal anymore in general. I've quit games I played with friends because they were too intense/whiny and made the games feel no fun anymore, so I think that sentiment is valid. I could imagine it would feel even worse when your income and job rely on you playing with someone who makes the game feel less enjoyable.

  • @thumbwreckage585
    @thumbwreckage585 Місяць тому +1

    Few things that came to mind for me:
    Even is young; saying he shouldn’t have to be told to boot up the game is wild. He is young and idk maybe NEEDS A COACH to coach him in life (or a game) *ahem* your fucking job*
    Next: you are the coach, a coach pretty much manages the team from what he can see in the game play, so you manage them. Managers need to have compassion for their team. Sure you could argue it’s just a job to Raven but you’d think you would want to sit down and talk to the teammate that’s failing and help them feel better in life. This isn’t an office or a kitchen job. It’s a team based video game. If a player isn’t doing well, take the time to check on them.
    Lastly: I keep thinking of the clip that NiceWig posted saying they were on their way back from some tournament and Evan couldn’t wait to get into the firing range and practice. That clip showed that Evan cares and that others are like “yo take a break dude”.
    Bonus: your mad that he said you fell off a little. Instead of taking that and thinking about it you just turned around and blamed him. Kinda crazy honestly.

  • @jacobgreene4331
    @jacobgreene4331 Місяць тому +2

    " i didnt want to play tdms with tsm bc it doesnt help the team, they could've played them without me"
    " i play tdms with falcons, not because it helps the team, but just so i can play with my teamates"
    Said right after eachother, maybe hal just didnt want to play with tsm, bjt they are still friends, so maybe im digging too much.

    • @okene
      @okene Місяць тому +2

      Hal was TSM IGL. Both hal and verhulst have remarked that playing ranked ranked with him was stressful because he malds too much. Perhaps he didn't want to play TDM with them because he didn't wanna be that guy that's always mad and always antagonized

  • @HiroToHero
    @HiroToHero Місяць тому +9

    Just like what happened with Wattson, if you don't want to play you need to just not play. You can't just be a like "yeah yeah I'll put in work" and not put in work or do half ass when everyone except you put in thousands of hours grinding, looking at vods, thinking of new strat, etc... This isn't elementary school where you promise your teacher that you'll do your homework and you end up not doing it and teacher just goes you naughty boy and you say "hehe". This is their livelihood and yes it's the same video game we also play but they do it for a living with a PAID SALARY. Not only is it super disrespectful to his teammates but also to all other players who would kill to get the opportunity to play in a tier 1 org with very sustainable salary and exposure. After all it's non of our business but it surprised me since I didn't think Big E was a kind of a guy to say stuff like that about his formal teammates. Maybe the stress from not performing well these couple of weeks with the new team is getting to him but hope it all gets resolved soon. my bad for the essay.

    • @wildouter
      @wildouter Місяць тому

      weirdo

    • @Energyswordsunday
      @Energyswordsunday Місяць тому

      ​@@wildouter???

    • @brandoncoleman4013
      @brandoncoleman4013 Місяць тому +1

      Your right but the real problem here in the orgs themselves. They need to have overseers that know what's up and think about what Raven said even he's not the head coach who has control over the roster he can't threaten the players with losing their job or being fired or dropped which Is a major issue. The esports orgs in general very rarely have any oversight and knowledge into the teams and just blindly pays players to manage themselves most times it's braindead tbh they need a manager role or head coach that can say yo Evan put your big boy pants on or leave the team this is the pros anybody would kill to be in this team with the best IGL and a chance to win, start putting in the work or your gone. That's the biggest difference in pro sports and esports in the pros you know at any second your job could get taken like that cuz there's tons of people lined up ready to go and live the dream you aren't realizing. That tends to make pros "find the passion" pretty damn quick lol 😆. It's just true it is what it is

    • @HiroToHero
      @HiroToHero Місяць тому +2

      @@brandoncoleman4013 I agree. Esports system is still very flawed compared to normal sports since it’s still fairly new compared to real sports. They still haven’t fully figured out the best way to run an org and most of the times the higher ups are absolutely clueless about what’s good for the team so they kind of leave it to the players to decide which is often why players have so much say in a team. Also for formal TSM, as Hal said, not just Evan but Reps has also had the problem of just not playing the game as much as he should for a long time when he was in TSM and I guess it’s hard to keep motivated to grind. Though if it’s your livelihood you should just suck it up and do your job but again the system is not there to really enforce it to the players in some esports so what can you do 🤷‍♂️

    • @HiroToHero
      @HiroToHero Місяць тому +5

      @@wildouter weirdo for being right by saying that PROS should do the stuff they’re paid to do instead of being like “wehhhh I’m not really feeling it I don’t want to do it wehhh” or for writing an essay? If it’s cuz of the essay then I apologize. I’m not very good at shortening stuff I want to say.

  • @FullDieselHug
    @FullDieselHug Місяць тому

    This just reinforces to me that the chemistry on TSM had soured beyond repair. You could hear it in Evan and Jordan’s voices every time Hal freaked out on them, they just sounded like all the fun had been drained out of it for them. Even Wigg has pointed out how much happier Jordan has sounded since they split. Sounds like there were a number of small things that festered until they contaminated the whole vibe. And tbh, if I have to play a game alongside some dude who’s flipping his lid and blaming me for every little mistake, even the ones he makes, I’m not going to want to play either. Kinda sucks to hear all these dudes talking smack on each other but tbh that looked like how things were going down when Hal announced he was leaving. Hard to not take “I didn’t get more money for playing with Zero and Gen, it all comes down to who I want to play with” as a bit of a slap in the face to Evan and Jordan.

  • @jacobhaws9458
    @jacobhaws9458 Місяць тому

    Except that he was self-aware and did say they ALL fell off.
    I could be wrong, but I bet if Vurhulst wanted to quit, it was only because of Hal, considering he starting play way more as soon as Hal left.

  • @alfaq937
    @alfaq937 Місяць тому +15

    u cant 24/7 apex or u go mental :)

    • @simonisdanilo3950
      @simonisdanilo3950 Місяць тому +1

      Yep even me in gold lobby im usually plat 3 or 2
      These people just be pissing me off

  • @drumbum9963
    @drumbum9963 Місяць тому +1

    Is Raven the Doc Rivers of Apex?

  • @zbaitl
    @zbaitl Місяць тому

    Adding this while im only at 7:16 but I personally questioned why verhulst was dying soo much right before the team change and probably some others. It felt weird cause he is cracked no one argues that, but he was going down almost every match and in ways that a gold would like me. Not the goat. Also it probably feels so scary if you want to step away from something that is probably a hogh point in ur life. The accolades, the friends and community, just having something to do and be good at it. Even if your hurting its terrifying to step away. I just personally dealt with this so its just a guess I really have no clue im not verhulsts friend. Would be sick tho. Hes why I played valkarie even after the nerfs😢❤

  • @vatop1304
    @vatop1304 Місяць тому +1

    apex civil war phase one

  • @machxisgaming3409
    @machxisgaming3409 Місяць тому +2

    I dont blame verhulst here if he was burnt out mid pro league means during that time until recent finals, he had no passion playing apex. well i can tell bcux his shots was not hitting like how he first joined tsm and compared to when they win algs champs previously. Verhulst could have say his opinions constructively better but i guess he just blurt out whatever feelings he had piled up. If he needs to take a break and play less apex, maybe try other games, i dont mind. Take care of his Mental health is important than satisfying ppl's desire atp.

    • @uncagedmnc956
      @uncagedmnc956 Місяць тому

      He’s young so yea he didn’t handle it the best but at least he’s honest. This’ll be a learning lesson for him as he gets older

  • @IceMike-
    @IceMike- Місяць тому +1

    This is just called winners fatigue, but it’s definitely normal for someone wanting to quit something. Also, playing for Hal was probably not the most fun after awhile.

    • @NovusInc
      @NovusInc Місяць тому

      Yeah but Verhulst should have realised what he had with TSM is something a lot of other players would love to take part in. IF he doesn't have passion I'm sure there are players out there that are willing to put in the passion and time unlike him.

  • @zafraan3038
    @zafraan3038 Місяць тому +9

    This is so immature.

  • @user-elusive
    @user-elusive Місяць тому

    I think One of the biggest reasons that the team start losing passion is hal's overheating at his teammates (toxicity) it's kinda frustrating. "Dont get me wrong i like hal"

  • @orbitals5281
    @orbitals5281 Місяць тому +6

    Evan changed when he got the youtube money.

  • @senseirbw2395
    @senseirbw2395 Місяць тому

    Evan will not be receiving the most positive player award this year

  • @JKR0CK1
    @JKR0CK1 Місяць тому

    did evan want to quit to play a different game? what was he doing if not playing

  • @19ryuusei
    @19ryuusei Місяць тому +1

    Gotta love how voicing your opinion is disrespectful. Also Raven wasn't the only one vel said fell off. Vel said the team fell off and I mean looking at placements they did fall off

    • @19ryuusei
      @19ryuusei Місяць тому

      Also from what I recall, vel didn't give specifics, meanwhile Raven airing it all out...gee I wonder why vel was never honest with him?

    • @19ryuusei
      @19ryuusei Місяць тому

      Like he doesn't understand burnout or what? Does he see thr state the game has been in?

  • @chico20282
    @chico20282 Місяць тому +36

    Ravens saying it was all on the players, only one of them is unemployed right now

    • @notben7
      @notben7 Місяць тому +19

      Lmao facts, dude has a massive ego for little reason

    • @upon-fe2720
      @upon-fe2720 Місяць тому +1

      Raven has signed with someone. Can't remember who

    • @drdrio90
      @drdrio90 Місяць тому +3

      Nice try. This is why Hal left😂

    • @HiddenStr3ngth
      @HiddenStr3ngth Місяць тому +11

      Funny how people hear words, then ignore them and make up their own shit and ascribe it to a person.

    • @chico20282
      @chico20282 Місяць тому

      @@upon-fe2720 hes still LFT

  • @rexington6737
    @rexington6737 Місяць тому

    Zero is so funny

  • @dznuts2114
    @dznuts2114 Місяць тому

    Raven should join dz

  • @MixologistGaming
    @MixologistGaming Місяць тому +32

    Raven is a baby. This isn’t what Evan really said. He didn’t say Raven specifically fell off, he was talking about TSM as a whole. Raven is taking this way too personally.

    • @tyrellturner5602
      @tyrellturner5602 Місяць тому +18

      He specifically said that towards the end of there run Raven was less patient and would lose his temper
      The conversation was comparing TSM’s new coach to Raven so no most of the conversation was not about the team as a whole
      Him saying that “ they all fell off” was one sentence that he said towards the end of that segment of the interview

    • @ros6919
      @ros6919 Місяць тому +14

      Even if raven is overreacting, he still is speaking facts about that Evan lost passion, and Hal is 100% correct that reps doesn’t play the game

    • @Fence-Dogs-More
      @Fence-Dogs-More Місяць тому +2

      Having a esports coach is like having a sex coach. You can use some pointers at first but it’s fucking weird if you employ them full time

    • @wildouter
      @wildouter Місяць тому

      him and his weird college girls he plays with all the time are probably being racist behind the scenes and being even more of a baby then he is letting on

    • @drdrio90
      @drdrio90 Місяць тому

      Even is the reason Hal left. So stfu

  • @JollyBeJolly
    @JollyBeJolly Місяць тому

    My god so much drama its actually insance

  • @Haitiandre22
    @Haitiandre22 Місяць тому

    Hal could’ve said this along time ago I’m not gonna miss the message but this for clout he could’ve said nothing like how some rappers be when asked about opps

    • @Haitiandre22
      @Haitiandre22 Місяць тому

      He tryna max out his get money attributes

    • @Haitiandre22
      @Haitiandre22 Місяць тому

      & raven a clown for acting confused for stream

  • @donfavio
    @donfavio Місяць тому +1

    Can we all agree Raven never brought anything to Tsm

  • @jackwaite4035
    @jackwaite4035 Місяць тому

    Hal literally tweeted to the world he wanted to quit mid split two, using this as a reason to leave is pretty soft.

  • @lowkeyd2483
    @lowkeyd2483 Місяць тому

    Evan is a nice enough dude, plenty of skill......no actual passion, like none, n that shiz matters.

  • @roguethemachine3928
    @roguethemachine3928 Місяць тому +2

    so evan just went into a small depression phase

  • @jsdre3026
    @jsdre3026 Місяць тому +1

    Too much apex will surely give you depression.

  • @TheGameInvasion
    @TheGameInvasion Місяць тому +4

    Raven’s such a coward here. He oversimplifies Evan’s words to just say “he said I only got mad and fell off”. What Evan said was a lot more nuanced and detailed than that. He mentions a lot of reasons that led to Raven getting more frustrated than he used too. But Ravens self obsessed EGO heard the word “fell off” and just got triggered 😂

  • @juice7244
    @juice7244 Місяць тому

    thats a lot of talking just to say "evan was burnt out" ngl

  • @marcosromero3738
    @marcosromero3738 Місяць тому +3

    Let's be honest, Hal was becoming very toxic. I get being competitive at the highest level, however Hal did join another organization so he wouldn't have to be igl. He has been called out as a "Hind Sight King" by Zero already too lmao
    😂

  • @evanloncar
    @evanloncar Місяць тому +1

    All raven did is side with hal. Hate this dude.

  • @kylerogers6811
    @kylerogers6811 Місяць тому +1

    I knew Verhulst would be the one to fuck it up once he started constantly arguing with Hal

  • @Simple.Wordless
    @Simple.Wordless Місяць тому

    Small e

  • @1234epps
    @1234epps Місяць тому +1

    Dang Evan was like my favorite player I’m so disappointed

  • @StillDontCare9869
    @StillDontCare9869 Місяць тому

    I personally hope Evan figures out his drive, you can tell some of these streamers want more in life than to just be a “pro apex player” who HAS to sit behind a computer for 9 hours a day. No one should live like that.

    • @JonWithAnH
      @JonWithAnH Місяць тому +1

      I'm not gonna say being a pro apex player isn't hard because I know nothing about competing at that level, but it's a privileged position to be in. They don't have to deal with customers 9-12 hours a day while on their computer. Their job is to play a game at a high level and get paid handsomely for it

    • @surya_12390
      @surya_12390 Місяць тому +2

      Yeah, you are right. In that case though, they should just drop out. Why be half-hearted and drag others down with you? Portraying yourself as a victim when you are indecisive is simply unfair to others who are trying their best.

    • @surya_12390
      @surya_12390 Місяць тому

      @@JonWithAnH few get paid handsomely, most dont even get enough to be pocket money.

    • @JonWithAnH
      @JonWithAnH Місяць тому

      @@surya_12390 True but in this case I just mean pros like Evan who are already somewhat rich. But I agree what he said was unfair, seems like an actual break from the game would be good at that point to decide

  • @Keilop
    @Keilop Місяць тому +5

    4:40 took raven 4 min to admit that he got complacent as a coach and sounds like he's just shifting the blame onto Evan

    • @Energyswordsunday
      @Energyswordsunday Місяць тому +7

      Were you even listening raven didn't have any control over Evan. It was just a bad situation

  • @Energyswordsunday
    @Energyswordsunday Місяць тому +1

    Raven da goat

  • @DD-hg5yq
    @DD-hg5yq Місяць тому +2

    Ravens over rated straight up

  • @0xstoney
    @0xstoney Місяць тому +1

    Imagine a coach from any other sports league going on a rant about a player for 5 minutes. You’re the “coach” dude… be the mature one and brush it aside

  • @mariankowalski9797
    @mariankowalski9797 Місяць тому

    VERHULST - UNSUB!

  • @KevBrad19
    @KevBrad19 Місяць тому +14

    Verhulst is that type of kid that would change stories based on group hes chatting just to *fit in* in that group
    He's done that multiple times about hal now raven
    Comparing your new unproven coach as close second to your former coach that made drastic changes to make the team win
    This is just straight disrespectful
    And i dont even like raven personally
    No matter the recent results tsm must remember the changes raven brought to the team to push them forward to success
    Imperialhal left respectfully thanked the team and coach
    Raven left respectfully did the same and both took responsibility on their loss, and didnt point 👉 fingers at anybody
    And now this kid taking zero responsibility calling out your former coach as washed without taking his own responsibility on mistakes he made
    Its straight staright delusional and most importantly very disrespectful ☝️
    Now i understand even more why Imperialhal left quietly to a better committed players

    • @arctictropic1147
      @arctictropic1147 Місяць тому +23

      Are you going to copypasta this same exact comment on every video or what?

    • @resolute7177
      @resolute7177 Місяць тому +4

      @@arctictropic1147 bro is a professional hater lmaoo

    • @rethkim323
      @rethkim323 Місяць тому +2

      @@arctictropic1147I thought I was going crazy too. Am new to UA-cam commenting. I just listen to videos and only started to comment during my breaks at work so it is weird that people do this

    • @xanira6367
      @xanira6367 Місяць тому +3

      bruv verhulst got asked about it. its not like he went on a rant on his own. even then he just gave his opinion in a respectful manner. he wasnt asked about himself and his well being. he was asked about raven, so even if he was part of the reason why things didnt go well, he was still just talking about raven.

    • @tyrellturner5602
      @tyrellturner5602 Місяць тому +7

      “ We all fell off” doesn’t sound like someone who is taking zero accountability
      Evan acknowledges that everyone on the team played a part in their poor performance. He just went into detail about what SPECIFICALLY Raven did wrong
      You could argue that Evan should have spoken with Raven before he did the interview and asked if Raven was ok with him speaking publicly about his criticisms
      But also I think that Raven is a bit to sensitive. Evan has also criticized Hal and Hal took it pretty well joking it off.
      Ravens response was way more detailed and incriminating than what Evan said. And Raven revealed much more personal details about Evan than Evan did about Raven.
      Either Raven didn’t watch the entire interview before responding, or Raven doesn’t have thick skin at all. Because telling the world that you had to have multiple interventions with Evan and reveal what you heard Evan say to someone else is a very drastic response when all that Evan really said is that you loose your temper sometimes. As if the pro scene isn’t full of people with thriving careers who scream like banshee’s
      Evan and Raven both could have handled things better. But Ravens response was definitely worse

  • @crazyasian14
    @crazyasian14 Місяць тому

    Ahah raven taken out of context from verhuslt

    • @charldb972
      @charldb972 Місяць тому

      They literally said they agreed to take it as it is and never talk about it and non of them did until even opened his mouth, he never had to say what he said so now that cats out the bag you can’t be surprised. Weak move on Evan , guy has had a shit attitude for a while now and now he gets exposed. Knew that good guy persona wasn’t gna last.

  • @Bomfunknight
    @Bomfunknight Місяць тому +20

    BAN TAP STRAFING BUFF AIM ASSIST

    • @ricepatty5551
      @ricepatty5551 Місяць тому +1

      Lmao

    • @bal7530
      @bal7530 Місяць тому +2

      Preach brother!! MnK is so stupid it's broken.

    • @user-wk2yg2zh5k
      @user-wk2yg2zh5k Місяць тому

      @@bal7530 its rage bait he's not serious

    • @dustinmcelroy3067
      @dustinmcelroy3067 Місяць тому

      ​@@bal7530lmao way to say you're dogshit at the game.

    • @bal7530
      @bal7530 Місяць тому +2

      @@user-wk2yg2zh5k did i stutter?