Thank you for taking the time for making this video. That POV question comes up so often, we can now direct people to it. One suggestion if i may, a lot of folks are suggesting not to save the table but to export the POV instead. Thank you for the video
Thanks man I have watched your videos and appreciate your work. The pov system has already changed so much since this video I need to do another but waiting for the system to kinda settle in to something they are going to keep. A new version came out today which changes and removes a lot of stuff again so I would just hold on and wait. I don't suggest using 10.8 on anything but 10.8 made tables.
Thanks for the video. I didn't know about setting the new tables to window mode instead of legacy. Everything looks much better, if was so flat looking before.
Thank you so much for all your efforts. They're really helpful and appreciated! Only think I have on some tables is that the ball gets really big when it is in the lower part of the playfield. So big that things seem off. Not sure on how to correct it. Keep up the good work!
My suggestion: strech the table. You don't need the DMD if you have 3 monitors, and if you get rid of the apron you'll see the round inserts becoming round again. On your table they're oval and the playfield is much shorter than on a real pinball table.
Interesting. I still haven't gotten into the 10.8 beta. I looked into pinball emulation for the first time about a month ago and installed VPX 10.7.2 - I haven't launched a single video game since, VP has taken their place. However, VP tables tend to drain ALL the time compared to their physical counterparts, so I'm not yet sure if I should invest in a VP cabinet or one of my favorites as an actual machine. Meanwhile I'm thinking of putting up some sort of setup with a vertically turned TV and an adjacent screen for back glasses.
I really appreciate you taking your time to show this, as this is something I am still battling with. I know I am stupid for not getting this, but could you perhaps explain a bit more detailed what exactly it is you are looking for with each thing you change? Like, what on the playfield are you looking at to see if what you are doing is right? Is it just a feeling, or is it more technical than that? For example, I have never dared changing the width. of the table, since I guess that would be like stretching the table (which I would not like to do), but in the end, you kind of makes it all even out. So if possible, a bit more detail to understand why you go with the values you are (and again, I am an idiot, so perhaps it's just me who don't get it, LOL)
If you watch and listen to the video I do tell its about what it looks like for you while looking at the image. It will be different for each person. Where I am over 6ft others might not be so tall so the view will be different. Also it's good to watch the circle light between the flippers and for the most part you want to try to keep it as close to a circle as possible. Hope that helps some.
Will changing these table sizings affect the physics and playability of the tables? Such as creating issues with balls getting stuck where they were not previously before resizing? Will pinball table authors need to re-release tables for the new 10.8 beta once it goes full release? I am just on the cusp of setting up a cab now and will be setting up vpx of course, Should I hold off on vpx for now until this settles down?
Follow my full guide. All new tables are being made in 10.8. JP is the only one redoing all his tables in 10.8. But 10.7 and 10.8 work perfectly fine together in the same setup. And no making camera adjustments in window mode does not affect physics.
Cool video. Two things though.. I don't see z scale on my window mode with 10.8. Not sure how you see it. The other thing is I did some googling and read in many places that it is advised against messing with a table's z scale. Adjustments to it will break physics and cause stuck and lost balls. I just mess with the new player Z instead to get the depth.
1st then you don't have the latest 10.8 2nd that was only in the old vpx The new version has window mode and all you are adjusting is the camera view at the table not really the table. It does not affect gameplay.
Hello. For those getting the red-lettered message in Window mode that reads... "You are in Window mode but you haven't defined your display physical size. This will break the overall scale as well as the stereo rendering." Would the physical display size be defined in screenres.txt of the Tables folder? I am able to make the POV adjustments and save them (which creates an .ini file), but I wasn't sure specifically how to remove this red message in Window mode. Thanks in advance...
Screenres.txt is for b2s server backglass and dmd placement has nothing to do with pov. I have a video showing how to set and remove the red writing. You can look at my videos. But it is not needed.
Thanks for posting this. I'm still trying to get a handle on what exactly is different about this new window mode. I'm very comfortable with what is now being called legacy mode, and my first reaction to this is that window mode is just giving different names to things like Inclination and Layback, and that you can now adjust Z without breaking the table (or is that a capability of 10.8 as a whole?). Is there more to it than just a different interface for doing the same thing?
Yes the new 10.8 is very different as you can adjust the back and front independently and you can adjust from your point of view like a camera. And also a big part of that is being able to adjust the depth. With Legacy you actually adjusted the table. With window you are only adjusting how the video image looks to you so no matter how messed up you make the image look it does not effect the gameplay. It's only an illusion of how you see it.
@@rudysarcade Thanks, that explanation was very helpful. But it raises an immediate question in my mind: Let’s say I d/l a table and the aspect ratio is all wrong on my cab, ie it’s too wide. I could either lower the Y scale in Legacy like I’ve always done, or lower the X in the window mode. I assume visually they’d look the same (please explain if not) but the big question is, would they play differently??
@@rudysarcade Oh yeah, I understand that, what I was getting at was, prior to 10.8, have I been impacting gameplay every time I narrow a table to its proper perspective?
looks like they changed how this works, even from the 10.8 beta I'm using! Will I have to redo all the tables I created new POV's for in the last beta? Thanks for the tutorial btw. MUCH appreciated!
@@rudysarcade bummer. I’m guessing this is the result of the flipped X and Y parameters? I sure wish I didn’t spend all those hours converting tables in the old beta. 😭 lol thanks for the info! 🍻
@@rudysarcade yeah but if the table is coming up in the wrong orientation (based on the author's original design vs. the orientation in my cab) there is no way to change the orientation in the "Adjust camera" settings. I think you have to open the POV settings in the editor itself to change the rotation.
@strells nope you can put it in the editor and hit F6 to launch edit mode go over to window mode and press your plunger or enter to turn the table and reset it. That is in 10.8.. 10.7 you will need to edit it manually in the editor
Thank you for taking the time for making this video. That POV question comes up so often, we can now direct people to it. One suggestion if i may, a lot of folks are suggesting not to save the table but to export the POV instead. Thank you for the video
Thanks man I have watched your videos and appreciate your work. The pov system has already changed so much since this video I need to do another but waiting for the system to kinda settle in to something they are going to keep. A new version came out today which changes and removes a lot of stuff again so I would just hold on and wait. I don't suggest using 10.8 on anything but 10.8 made tables.
Thanks for taking the time to record this. Very helpful!!
Thanks for the video. I didn't know about setting the new tables to window mode instead of legacy. Everything looks much better, if was so flat looking before.
Great video. I was getting stuck on even getting the windowed mode from the initial black screen. Thank you.
Thank you so much for all your efforts. They're really helpful and appreciated!
Only think I have on some tables is that the ball gets really big when it is in the lower part of the playfield.
So big that things seem off.
Not sure on how to correct it.
Keep up the good work!
Option in the video settings at the top middle
My suggestion: strech the table. You don't need the DMD if you have 3 monitors, and if you get rid of the apron you'll see the round inserts becoming round again. On your table they're oval and the playfield is much shorter than on a real pinball table.
Well that's what's good about this hobby you can do whatever you want. Thanks for the suggestion
Thank you! This was a big help for me.
Interesting. I still haven't gotten into the 10.8 beta. I looked into pinball emulation for the first time about a month ago and installed VPX 10.7.2 - I haven't launched a single video game since, VP has taken their place. However, VP tables tend to drain ALL the time compared to their physical counterparts, so I'm not yet sure if I should invest in a VP cabinet or one of my favorites as an actual machine. Meanwhile I'm thinking of putting up some sort of setup with a vertically turned TV and an adjacent screen for back glasses.
I really appreciate you taking your time to show this, as this is something I am still battling with. I know I am stupid for not getting this, but could you perhaps explain a bit more detailed what exactly it is you are looking for with each thing you change? Like, what on the playfield are you looking at to see if what you are doing is right? Is it just a feeling, or is it more technical than that? For example, I have never dared changing the width. of the table, since I guess that would be like stretching the table (which I would not like to do), but in the end, you kind of makes it all even out. So if possible, a bit more detail to understand why you go with the values you are (and again, I am an idiot, so perhaps it's just me who don't get it, LOL)
If you watch and listen to the video I do tell its about what it looks like for you while looking at the image. It will be different for each person. Where I am over 6ft others might not be so tall so the view will be different. Also it's good to watch the circle light between the flippers and for the most part you want to try to keep it as close to a circle as possible. Hope that helps some.
@@rudysarcade I will try with a table while watching your video. Thanks for the reply.
Great video Rudy. Can you confirm if this is 10.8 normal, or must you have the GL version to make adjustments?
10.8 normal version works the same but I suggest you try gl as it has better performance and smoother gameplay
How to turn down the bloom / LED brightness ? Tanx
Will changing these table sizings affect the physics and playability of the tables? Such as creating issues with balls getting stuck where they were not previously before resizing? Will pinball table authors need to re-release tables for the new 10.8 beta once it goes full release? I am just on the cusp of setting up a cab now and will be setting up vpx of course, Should I hold off on vpx for now until this settles down?
Follow my full guide. All new tables are being made in 10.8. JP is the only one redoing all his tables in 10.8. But 10.7 and 10.8 work perfectly fine together in the same setup. And no making camera adjustments in window mode does not affect physics.
Great video tutorial mate!!! Can you share your ball and decal files?
Ahh sure let me upload and I will send a link.
mega.nz/file/FZR1zDCb#yN_uGZxTRCNpOzkrxiYTB57Nqm05Iii3-0KqusAYf84
Cool video. Two things though.. I don't see z scale on my window mode with 10.8. Not sure how you see it. The other thing is I did some googling and read in many places that it is advised against messing with a table's z scale. Adjustments to it will break physics and cause stuck and lost balls. I just mess with the new player Z instead to get the depth.
1st then you don't have the latest 10.8
2nd that was only in the old vpx
The new version has window mode and all you are adjusting is the camera view at the table not really the table. It does not affect gameplay.
@@rudysarcade Interesting. I am pretty sure I am on beta 5 which I thought was the latest. I'll have to look more into why I am missing that option.
@@snooper6817 get the new beta release.
github.com/vpinball/vpinball/actions/runs/6312510063
Hello. For those getting the red-lettered message in Window mode that reads...
"You are in Window mode but you haven't defined your display physical size. This will break the overall scale as well as the stereo rendering."
Would the physical display size be defined in screenres.txt of the Tables folder? I am able to make the POV adjustments and save them (which creates an .ini file), but I wasn't sure specifically how to remove this red message in Window mode. Thanks in advance...
Screenres.txt is for b2s server backglass and dmd placement has nothing to do with pov. I have a video showing how to set and remove the red writing. You can look at my videos. But it is not needed.
Thanks for posting this. I'm still trying to get a handle on what exactly is different about this new window mode. I'm very comfortable with what is now being called legacy mode, and my first reaction to this is that window mode is just giving different names to things like Inclination and Layback, and that you can now adjust Z without breaking the table (or is that a capability of 10.8 as a whole?). Is there more to it than just a different interface for doing the same thing?
Yes the new 10.8 is very different as you can adjust the back and front independently and you can adjust from your point of view like a camera. And also a big part of that is being able to adjust the depth. With Legacy you actually adjusted the table. With window you are only adjusting how the video image looks to you so no matter how messed up you make the image look it does not effect the gameplay. It's only an illusion of how you see it.
@@rudysarcade Thanks, that explanation was very helpful. But it raises an immediate question in my mind: Let’s say I d/l a table and the aspect ratio is all wrong on my cab, ie it’s too wide. I could either lower the Y scale in Legacy like I’ve always done, or lower the X in the window mode. I assume visually they’d look the same (please explain if not) but the big question is, would they play differently??
@johndoe-yw7eb no window adjustments are all visual and do not affect gameplay.
@@rudysarcade Oh yeah, I understand that, what I was getting at was, prior to 10.8, have I been impacting gameplay every time I narrow a table to its proper perspective?
@johndoe-yw7eb no on 10.7 X and Y did not affect gameplay. Sorry I didn't get what you was asking.
Mine doesn’t have z stretch adjustment?
Quick question how do you add a pov to a table. I can download your pov but I have no idea on how to add it so it's at default
looks like they changed how this works, even from the 10.8 beta I'm using! Will I have to redo all the tables I created new POV's for in the last beta? Thanks for the tutorial btw. MUCH appreciated!
Yes any table saved in old beta5 will be sideways when loaded in the new update.. Hit plunger and resize..
@@rudysarcade bummer. I’m guessing this is the result of the flipped X and Y parameters? I sure wish I didn’t spend all those hours converting tables in the old beta. 😭 lol
thanks for the info! 🍻
How were able to get your scoreboard positioned at top center like that. Mines positioned upper right but taking up some of the playfield
That is the built in one. If you have another one from external dmd you need to drag it to your dmd or backglass screen
And how get i go down or up in the seetings to change it ? Nothing works, no button on my keyboard... i cant strecht my playfield so
Magna save buttons.. left and right ctrl buttons
What VPX version did you load to get to the editor? I tried the GL version and no editor options appeared.
You need the updated version and watch the updated video.
ua-cam.com/video/Vo0MiGYwhts/v-deo.htmlsi=I4AKjCjvg_8FT80i
It was actually the GL version not diplaying it - the DX seems to work fine! Your OBS problem gave me a clue, Thanks again
@@rudysarcade
How do you adjust the orientation/rotation if necessary?
If you open it in window mode just press enter to reset it. But selecting cabinet or desktop if you wish to play in different ways.
@@rudysarcade yeah but if the table is coming up in the wrong orientation (based on the author's original design vs. the orientation in my cab) there is no way to change the orientation in the "Adjust camera" settings. I think you have to open the POV settings in the editor itself to change the rotation.
@strells nope you can put it in the editor and hit F6 to launch edit mode go over to window mode and press your plunger or enter to turn the table and reset it. That is in 10.8.. 10.7 you will need to edit it manually in the editor
@@rudysarcade I’m in 10.8 beta 5 window mode right now and there is no rotation option. Wish I could attach a photo.
@@strells press enter on the keyboard or press plunger
Where do download vpx v10.8.0-1450 i can only find v10.8.0-1347
Now up to 1488
github.com/vpinball/vpinball/actions/runs/6312510063
@@rudysarcade Thank you
What it looks like on my cab
ua-cam.com/video/V1aROdrEHPA/v-deo.htmlsi=JJXu8NoaFAYA6FCG
Mine doesn’t have z stretch adjustment?
need to update 10.8 1450+