@@swagatadhara4257 Buff terran please, give them a free unit creator unit as well, that way they already have a ability that Gives them vision out of thin air, a building that gives them vision of thin air, a ability that gives them minerals from thin air but no free unit producer so I have to use my hands to make my units, its so unfair terran is so weak please buff terran !!!
what other units cause target slowdown? infector fungal and mothership time warp aka only endgame units for the other races. marauder concussive shot is OP and needs to be taken away entirely or nerfed completely
Yes, and no. Most of the time bio are stimed, so they always get one shot by Disruptor in a fight. The only time Marauder would not be one shot is when a disruptor is sneaking on them. So it is not as bad as you think.
Disruptors are still hot garbage, and it is time to remove them completely. Pain in the ass unit to use, you have to continuously doge or suffer, and because it doesn't have an actual attack, it just walks in and dies.
You're completely right but if we remove or rework the disruptor something will have to fill that void, which is the hard part. Late-game protoss is basically designed around this one toxic unit
@@karlbergman5678 I would honestly just prefer Psionic Storm being as potent as a Disruptor. I never see HTs, only Archons. They added basic attacks to most of the casters that were extremely weak solely to prevent them from running ahead of the army when A-clicked, so I don't see why Disruptors are an exception to this. I get micro-management is a form of skill expression, but SCII is so incredibly fast paced that having a caster unit get ahead of your army for a second too long means you lose the unit.
@@atifarshad7624Protoss player here… HT have an auto attack, and I think it’ll be dangerous if we buff storm. I think we’re better off either reworking the disruptor or buffing the colossus. The main problem is that even if we have reliable splash, marine marauders still demolishes it, especially heavy marauder. While you could mass immortals even a handful of marines will be enough to tank shots from the immortals, hence the important one shot from disruptors. A suggestion could be the old radius should disruptor should do full damage and the new radius does the current PTR amount, or just reduce the dmg further but give more range, faster projectile speed and lower cooldown between attacks with reduced supply. Instead of a lucky shot, you can consistently land weaker shots and chip away at the army and zone the way it was actually intended to be used
@@yugonostalgia8961 every 50 IQ clown is shouting that ghosts are OP, but noone is able to actually give any argument that could back it. Meanwhile pros like Rouge saying that ghost is already too nerfed. But yeah if u will shout something thousand time maybe it will become a true
Literally. Marauder is a early game unit and it ez challenges endgame units of protos. You only need 2 0/0 Marauders to kill one 0/0 Kolossus if it dosnt hit both at the same time.
The hell is that thing rolling down the ramp at 11:45? xD is that part of the dead stalker? Did the protoss army just decide to kick a dead stalker's head at the terran army? Just how desperate can protoss get when facing Clem? xD
It feels so bad to watch MaxPax land disruptor hits on Clem only for all five marauders to live, continue pounding the stalkers to mud, and return to full health from medivacs. That disruptor nerf is goddawful to see in play. TvP is garbage tier in the patch, imo. Nerfing both the lynchpin robo units while Colossus are completely gimped against a Terran that has any ability to micro vikings does not spark joy.
I mean, with the increased radius, Clem is atleast getting hit sometimes. Previously, anyone would be lucky to get a couple of Clem's marines with disruptors. But honestly, Disruptors should be kicked from the game and instead give HTs a basic attack to not make them run in front of the army.
Hey look! Yet ANOTHER T V P where I just ignore every detail about who is playing and assume based ENTIRELY on race, the T is going to crush. Skip to the end.... The Terran sweeps the Protoss. 16 out of 16 random T v P watched... This matchup is a joke and so its anyone defending it.
HEY UNFAIR! That's insider trading! Channel in¢est! GET OFF MY COMMENT SECTION YOU CREEP! ... Brenda, it's not THAT kind of creep...and we're not even in this video... and it's technically his comment section... SHUT UP SUSAN
Crazy idea just occurred to me: using AI to turn SC2 game replays into short movies. AI movie tech isn't ready for that yet, I think, but it's a fun idea.
Spoiler: - I think MaxPax wasn't as far behind as he thought he was that third game. I don't recall seeing a third CC constructed (if there was one, then I'm just wrong with this thought) and Max was even enough on econ to keep pounding with new stalker production as his third got up.
i like to say the whole intro with winter every video. but i have to guess how many likes he says every time. today was my closest at 1,459 instead of the true value 1,458 likes!
PvT pisses me off. Terran can easily kill 20+ probes with reapers, hellions, or widow mines in the first few minutes of the game. Yet the one tool Protoss has (adept) takes 3!!! Shots to kill an scv... gtfo.
"literal fire " , are you ok Winter? you know this is a game right? on a screen? the fire is pixels! ;) Time to get away from your screen if the pixels start getting real . love your commenting dude.
That's it, i'm not gonna watch another top-tier TvP or TvZ unless it's like maxpax or serral against a second-rate terran. It's just no surprise who wins.
@@bigstreetguns6619 but their damage is still enough that lower level Terran players would struggle to save them. Ultimately, Disruptors are bad units because they are too dangerous for lower level players and not very useful against high level players.
I just can't watch toss vs terran anymore, every game it looks so sad for toss being constantly bullied and relying on huge misplay from terran to make anything happen. When do toss get a real buff?
I don't like to say obvious things that the Council certainly knows but... the EMP is freaking strong! You clain to nerfed ghost (and several times) but it is only a nerf in TvZ. (Yet you nerfed Ultralisks I don't know why). But ghosts were Not nerfed in TvP wich protoss were already struggling. (And yet you nerfed Disruptors and Tempests). EMP is a 3 in 1 spell. Take out shields, energy, and revell cloacked units. That's absurd. And I think Scan should also have 1 minute global cooldown.
I would suggest buffing feedback range or something, as it seem very difficult to use it on Ghosts, which are way easier to micro - HT blink maybe? Doesn't seem like shadow stride is used very often, in pro games at least, although Z would likely suffer more from something like that, as EMP mostly annoys Z spellcasters rather than killing them outright like feedback.
I always see Lowko or someone post a new cast, resist the urge to click and wait for the GOAT's cast of it
"it's ok, Winter is coming"
dang, i thought im the only one like that. 😅
I know that feel.
yoooo me too 🤣
😂same !!
Unsubbed to Lowko when Winter, Jimmy & Brenda became the new Avengers
Winter is without a doubt the best commentator.
Absolutely , all kidding aside he is a highly talented color commentator that is riding the coat tails of Jimmy
I would say that Lowko 1st winter 2nd and harstem 3rd.
@@COSTphoenix I think you meant Brenda 1st , Winter 2nd , Jimmy 3rd and Susan 4th
Not sure if Winter is the best, but he is among the top 1 for sure.
Only Summer can beat this guy.
Haven't played SC2 since 2013. I'm only here for you Winter, SC2 isn't the same without you. You are the best.
very homoerotic.... very true....
The ghost is also a detection unit….because it doesn’t do enough to Protoss already
New patch proposal:
Give protoss mouths so they can scream like the rest of us xD
Ohhhh I got the reference
Kill a zealot... they scream. lol
It's just their vestigial glaves resonating.
Guess the 9 year streak without a protoss champion will continue. Good job, Bliztard
100% absolutely disruptor shots need to still 1 shot marauders. Crazy that that got nerfed
Yeah
Also should be able to one shot thors
And ghost needs to be 5 supply
@@swagatadhara4257 Buff terran please, give them a free unit creator unit as well, that way they already have a ability that Gives them vision out of thin air, a building that gives them vision of thin air, a ability that gives them minerals from thin air but no free unit producer so I have to use my hands to make my units, its so unfair terran is so weak please buff terran !!!
what other units cause target slowdown? infector fungal and mothership time warp aka only endgame units for the other races. marauder concussive shot is OP and needs to be taken away entirely or nerfed completely
@@swagatadhara4257 And Protoss units need to cost more and be completely garbage and just a shittier version of everything Terran
Yes, and no. Most of the time bio are stimed, so they always get one shot by Disruptor in a fight. The only time Marauder would not be one shot is when a disruptor is sneaking on them. So it is not as bad as you think.
Disruptors are still hot garbage, and it is time to remove them completely.
Pain in the ass unit to use, you have to continuously doge or suffer, and because it doesn't have an actual attack, it just walks in and dies.
You're completely right but if we remove or rework the disruptor something will have to fill that void, which is the hard part. Late-game protoss is basically designed around this one toxic unit
@@karlbergman5678 I would honestly just prefer Psionic Storm being as potent as a Disruptor. I never see HTs, only Archons. They added basic attacks to most of the casters that were extremely weak solely to prevent them from running ahead of the army when A-clicked, so I don't see why Disruptors are an exception to this. I get micro-management is a form of skill expression, but SCII is so incredibly fast paced that having a caster unit get ahead of your army for a second too long means you lose the unit.
Honestly i agree. Throw away disruptors and give HTs a basic attack so that they don't run in front of the army.
@@atifarshad7624Protoss player here… HT have an auto attack, and I think it’ll be dangerous if we buff storm. I think we’re better off either reworking the disruptor or buffing the colossus.
The main problem is that even if we have reliable splash, marine marauders still demolishes it, especially heavy marauder. While you could mass immortals even a handful of marines will be enough to tank shots from the immortals, hence the important one shot from disruptors. A suggestion could be the old radius should disruptor should do full damage and the new radius does the current PTR amount, or just reduce the dmg further but give more range, faster projectile speed and lower cooldown between attacks with reduced supply. Instead of a lucky shot, you can consistently land weaker shots and chip away at the army and zone the way it was actually intended to be used
Winter, you are singlehandedly keeping SC2 alive
Amazing series! Thanks for all you do Winter, my favourite place to watch SC2!
"They fly now!" LOL, W thumbnail
Congrats, Terran Balance Council, so marauder in PVT is now op too.
What if guardian shield blocked emp
what if toss players will git gut?
@@adm-jw3yf No amount of "gitting gut" compensates for ghosts existing :D
@@yugonostalgia8961 every 50 IQ clown is shouting that ghosts are OP, but noone is able to actually give any argument that could back it. Meanwhile pros like Rouge saying that ghost is already too nerfed. But yeah if u will shout something thousand time maybe it will become a true
wow, this final first fight was huge...insane to manage all the units precisely.
I learned how to force field by practicing the way partinG does it. I make a hexagon around them
i think these guys both really respect eachother they gg so early xd
We get no Brenda voice when Protoss and Terran play haha😂
1st time I like a video because the content creater ask me to because this commentary is just so entertaining. I dont even play SC2 ^^
You are the BEST winter 🎉🎉🎉
I love daily updates Winter, even tho I dont play SC myself, ur content is very enjoyable, already watched so many vids, thank you:)
marauder not getting shot by the nova should be illegal.. now terran doesn't even need to bother dodging unless more than 1 shot is coming together
Literally. Marauder is a early game unit and it ez challenges endgame units of protos. You only need 2 0/0 Marauders to kill one 0/0 Kolossus if it dosnt hit both at the same time.
The hell is that thing rolling down the ramp at 11:45? xD is that part of the dead stalker? Did the protoss army just decide to kick a dead stalker's head at the terran army? Just how desperate can protoss get when facing Clem? xD
That's the Disruptor Core thingy in the middle
I loved the end of third game :D Maxpax blinking in with "you underestimating my power" :D
"like and subscribe if you feel personally attacked"
Damn , i so love watch Clem vs MaxPax
🥰
Briefly pauses the video. Restarts later to winter pointing out protoss dont have mouths. Glad to know im in the right place.
Winter is the best commentator.
id like to see maxpax use oracles more often behind the terrains or behind his own army to put of stasis wards for ground units.
My day is about to get a little, bit, better.
It feels so bad to watch MaxPax land disruptor hits on Clem only for all five marauders to live, continue pounding the stalkers to mud, and return to full health from medivacs. That disruptor nerf is goddawful to see in play. TvP is garbage tier in the patch, imo. Nerfing both the lynchpin robo units while Colossus are completely gimped against a Terran that has any ability to micro vikings does not spark joy.
Agreed disruptors absolutely need to 1 shot marauders still it’s ridiculous
They tend to over correct, just as to help protoss defend against baneling, they nerfed the bane speed 10 hp.
Against clem, you are just happy if you hit 2 marines, but with the nerf, when somehow maxpax hit 5 marauders, nothing :/
I mean, with the increased radius, Clem is atleast getting hit sometimes. Previously, anyone would be lucky to get a couple of Clem's marines with disruptors.
But honestly, Disruptors should be kicked from the game and instead give HTs a basic attack to not make them run in front of the army.
@@atifarshad7624HT have basic attack already
Love the memes
Hey look! Yet ANOTHER T V P where I just ignore every detail about who is playing and assume based ENTIRELY on race, the T is going to crush. Skip to the end.... The Terran sweeps the Protoss. 16 out of 16 random T v P watched... This matchup is a joke and so its anyone defending it.
'Clem faces a new Protoss strategy and breaks it effortlessly, and the game doesn't change at all.'
Interesting game watching the pros testing out the new patch.
36:00 Its ByuN's fault.
JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER
Winter the absolutely goat commentator
37:58 of course the Byunker
@WinterStarcraft is the best caster ever!!
first
HEY UNFAIR! That's insider trading! Channel in¢est! GET OFF MY COMMENT SECTION YOU CREEP!
... Brenda, it's not THAT kind of creep...and we're not even in this video... and it's technically his comment section...
SHUT UP SUSAN
We will never know if Winter would do it anyway.
Genuine question: is there any actual cost effective counter to marauders at >150 supply for Protoss?
Byun games might've been on even older version, since im pretty sure widow mines had the old targeting line
@30:55
Why did he quit?!?! He wasn't that far behind!
May be someday we'll hear ai generated voicelines from Jimmy and Brenda
Keep up MaxPax videos for more likes
Crazy idea just occurred to me: using AI to turn SC2 game replays into short movies. AI movie tech isn't ready for that yet, I think, but it's a fun idea.
Winter, how do your friends deal with the fact that you're so much cooler than they are?
20:57 how maxpax see widowmine there😮
Winter is the 🐐 sc commentator.
27:10 Hilarious play
Why were those zealots not atacking the cc at minute 40:50 old patch ?
Spoiler:
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I think MaxPax wasn't as far behind as he thought he was that third game. I don't recall seeing a third CC constructed (if there was one, then I'm just wrong with this thought) and Max was even enough on econ to keep pounding with new stalker production as his third got up.
My day got just a little bit better after watching this video. Thanks Winter and Jimmy 🎉
i like to say the whole intro with winter every video. but i have to guess how many likes he says every time. today was my closest at 1,459 instead of the true value 1,458 likes!
26:10 cue up the benny hills theme song.
But seriously, do it. You'll smile for the next 2 minutes
Does nexus energy charge work on ally units in 2v2? Imagine rushing ravens and toss charging the raven.
You’re a dirty mind with a dirty mouth
Ah yes, description: "Clem vs Showtime". Always knew maxpax had to be a skinchanger, a couple extra hands to play that hogwarts protoss style
Goddamn Clem i want a maxpax win
Subject: new challenging Protoss strat. Content: world's best Protoss lost both series
Added my like
Who am I to judge, as a Diamond Zerg... Why would you play blind now when it's so easy to scout everything the Terran is doing?
Day 93, we return to ask for our Brenda T Shirts, once again.
"Get off my CREEP!"
idea for a change
guardian shell also blocks EMP
I felt attacked.
Nice 👍
Dammit Jimmy
PvT pisses me off. Terran can easily kill 20+ probes with reapers, hellions, or widow mines in the first few minutes of the game. Yet the one tool Protoss has (adept) takes 3!!! Shots to kill an scv... gtfo.
"literal fire " , are you ok Winter? you know this is a game right? on a screen? the fire is pixels! ;) Time to get away from your screen if the pixels start getting real . love your commenting dude.
MaxPax AI rumors confirmed
That's it, i'm not gonna watch another top-tier TvP or TvZ unless it's like maxpax or serral against a second-rate terran. It's just no surprise who wins.
This video needs 1,454 likes
Edit: I was off by 4 likes (this time).
Disruptors are just useless against terran now.
Terrans want to be able to stim marauders and take nova shots to the face. Balance is
T > Z > P
I mean, not everyone is Clem.
@atifarshad7624 doesn't matter if marauders don't die.
@@bigstreetguns6619 but their damage is still enough that lower level Terran players would struggle to save them.
Ultimately, Disruptors are bad units because they are too dangerous for lower level players and not very useful against high level players.
@atifarshad7624 that is correct
Nerf more terran units.... Make stim take off 75% HP. And make Medivacs have 99 pts max purple energy capacity.
I just can't watch toss vs terran anymore, every game it looks so sad for toss being constantly bullied and relying on huge misplay from terran to make anything happen.
When do toss get a real buff?
We won’t brother. Toss is OP at lower ladder levels, so all we can hope for is nerfs of Terran
unfortunately, balancing for clem vs toss kinda breaks the game for the rest of the mortals.
@@deltacommand8053 I know just wishfull thinking
winter gaming
Bros... Every single PvT engagement looks exactly the same as the other. What a dead meta snorefest...... smh lmfao
when will they give marine siege mode
When will they give probes blink
You should not be referencing quotes from Star Wars EP9 next time because that quote sucks.
Si antes los disruptors servían poco ahora no sirven para nada 😢
Thank You
Om nom nom
What if guardian shield reduced emp to a third of the effect
What it means is the new patch doesn’t even matter, still handicapped.
Phoenix with infinite energy are busted af
Terrans and zergs with infinity scans and overlord scouts are busted af
@@platysplatys3967 lol infinite energy? Where is this "infinite" energy?
Unos DT por detras del terrar, tenia la partida ganada el protos
wouldn't be nice to have a "disable target buildings" as banelings do in tanks and colossi?
Protoss just can't help but get that 3rd base even when they fully scout the Terrans 2-base all-in 😂
Why isn't clem playing High Templar as he always halfway there with these blink openers. Especially with the power overwhelming ability. Crazy.
Soup 75
watching the whole video is cool but i would rather watch the yt short that expressly captures the title, if a 30 second clip can do so
Protoss are op now😅
Terran >>> Protoss. Terran is the master race.
Can we just call MaxPax she? We don't have enough girls 🤷
Day 43 of thank you winter
Im going to make dinner and leave this playing so winter gets a view. But im not watching this garbage. PvT worst match up now
let me guess: clem win
#4
@WintergamingTV ... second
LFG!!!
I don't like to say obvious things that the Council certainly knows but... the EMP is freaking strong! You clain to nerfed ghost (and several times) but it is only a nerf in TvZ. (Yet you nerfed Ultralisks I don't know why). But ghosts were Not nerfed in TvP wich protoss were already struggling. (And yet you nerfed Disruptors and Tempests). EMP is a 3 in 1 spell. Take out shields, energy, and revell cloacked units. That's absurd. And I think Scan should also have 1 minute global cooldown.
Have you played TvP without EMP?
@csibesz07 have you seen statistics? The win rate in PvT? I'm not saying to remove EMP from the game, i'm saying it's too strong and deserves a nerf.
I would suggest buffing feedback range or something, as it seem very difficult to use it on Ghosts, which are way easier to micro - HT blink maybe?
Doesn't seem like shadow stride is used very often, in pro games at least, although Z would likely suffer more from something like that, as EMP mostly annoys Z spellcasters rather than killing them outright like feedback.