Ultras fuck it up but my macro is so dogshit I probably wont tech to it until 30 minutes. I'm terrible but appreciate the content. If you were a larger channel I would be less nice lol.
an scv can approximately mine enough to build another scv in 1 minute. 12s to build scv means we have 2 scvs at 12s into the game. but rough calculation means 4 scvs at 2min, 8 at 3min. and now limited by the 12s build time of 5scvs per minute, you get 13 scvs at 4minutes. but log12/log2 is 3.58. so basically a delay of 3 to 4 minutes. i definitely didnt take into account the minerals and time needed for supply depots and other buildings.
That's not really a challenge. To put it quite simply, even my noob ass can steamroll cheater 3 AI without building workers. Just build something next to their base before they have units and they freak out, pulling the entire worker line to derp around (not even on amove, they'll derp around back and forth a lot before right clicking on the building instead of the worker). That, and their resource cheat starts really weak and scales up over time. So when you proxy early they're even worse than elite AI (since maphack makes sure they know to freak out, whereas elite AI might not notice it)
I play vs the ai alot, and each difficulty has a "unit cap", and the higher you get the more units they are alowed to make and the more frequent they will replenish the units lost.
At 1:09:00 I accidentally looked at the video length and saw there are 10 minutes remaining. Never thought it would end that way. Watch out, spoiler in the subcomment!
Seeing the 10 minutes remaining, I was sad because I thought Marc will lose as I was sure there is no way he can kill all the AI's bases in 10 minutes. Boy was I wrong. What a game. Thanks so much
I just recently found your channel because of my sudden interest for this game and this has been a really great content, I still don't know how to play the game where you master your hotkeys and stuff like that, as well as the strategies but because of you I'm enjoying this game and I wanna at least practice so I can master all these controls and have my own strategy, I just wanna share and you keep it up!
You have to remember the lower difficulty AI's are designed for people who havent even learned what buildings are required for what units and the hotkeys. I brought a friend in recently who had never played much of any RTS games, joined me in some 2vAI to learn, skipping the campaign till later. From that perspective this is an incredibly dense and confusing game.
Haven't seen the full video yet, but I knew once you expressed all your concerns about being invaded against the easy AI, that you hadn't played against the easy AI in a loooong while haha! It's intended (for people like me) to be the easiest possible first-experience, for people who might not have even bothered with anything beyond the basic tutorial. After ~2mins, you start progressing at your full pace again, whereas people like me (who merely watch high-lvl matches or challenges on youtube) are still messing around, using no hotkeys, building random buildings and upgrades, setting arbitrary rally points, forgetting to create SCVs, overloading mineral lines, reading heaps of tooltips (SO many tooltips...), need wayyyy more time than that to build up even a minimal army :) Heck in my first match I thought 3 tanks, 10 marines and some marauders at 10min was too much and went back to decide if I should diversify into air units and build some starports, only to find my mineral line down to the last patch and my army getting nearly wrecked by the first AI invasion (that I hadn't scouted, of course) Puts things into perspective eh? ;) Groetjes from a fellow Dutchie! (I did still win my first game tho, IIRC thanks to the battlecruiser lol)
This gives me the idea for another challenge. Build depot, rax with full economy and then kill 10 SCV so you get a super-early push without spending more money on depots...
The on-screen Billy 1 versus Billy 2 graphic was awesome! It would be so funny if you had on screen countdowns in your video to win ridiculous things happen.. "like salt in 3,2,1" or "terrible blink in 3,2,1" or speech bubbles for MVP units creating little stories about their triumph!
It would be fun to see the one scv challenge but instead of only starting with one scv you can only build with one scv (maybe this also means if that scv dies you can't build anymore)
Now I want another serral or clem series where they have to send one more drone/svc after each win. harassing allowed for more fun. Could be even cooler than the one with reduced health
55:49 When Marc CALLS the AI attack LESS than 3 seconds BEFORE it happens.. LEGEND! I literally do NOT play SC2 anymore but watch almost ALL of your content! Also WinterCraft and Harstem are pretty great too! WinterCraft is the BEST SC2 commentator EVER! God Bless you ALL!
Nice win. Since you mentioned it I would love to see you play deadlock with an arranged team of discord members on voice chat. It could be a good time. I think you need someone to send you an invite to play it but that shouldn't be hard for you to get.
Hey Marc! Very nice AI examination, it´s always nice to see how diff AI´s function in many diff games & in SC2 as well. Thank you for this content ideas, in your series.
I thought the very hard AI would just play a uThermal i.e. make a Reaper and just start eliminating the SCVs ..... and that would hit extremely hard and fast ... so Marc got lucky! Thank you for the insane challenge!
Hey! The shoo shoo scv train gave me an idea for a challenge. What if you could only control one unit type? Say you decide to only control zergling, then if you make roaches, you have to put the roaches on follow on the zerglings. Can you beat insane AI (or grand master) by doing that for each unit for each race?
Okay I'm 9 minutes in and if I know my Ai Easy, medium, and hard AI hit at a specified time with a specified supply then expand as long as you have enough to hold that first attack you should win. (Rush tank ez win) After hard or very hard the builds will start varying and after very hard they start cheesing and clocking if I recall. I am a new player I have lost to the new AI about 6 months ago. now I have beat all three campaigns on hard differently working on brutal and a silver rank on the ladder. I'm really enjoying starcraft 2 and Uthermal's videos.
13:20 thats a video idea doing mono battle/ other wierd cheeses aganst people that have map hacks. i thing i saw pig cast show matches of pros vs "ethical and consensual map hacks"
Man I need to save up for a gaming pc. This channels got me itching to play sc2 again. My last pc bit the dust like a month after heart of the swarm launched.
You should use the arcade sometime, much easier to do these challenges with it. Also, how about you start with 1 scv, 400 minerals and no command center next time (of course, using cheats in the arcade to make it happen), it’d be super cool what a Grand master can do with that!
The "AI" that you find inside video games so far in bots, is not constantly learning. It's just bots set at a fixed difficulty, for early learners to develop. SC2 is a VERY VERY mature game, your grandmaster knowledge is FAR FAR greater than these bots are meant to reproduce, because they were meant to help brand new players develop before the highly developed micro, macro strategies etc were even figured out.
I wonder how crisp marcs pushes are now compared to his pro-times. If he's even remotely as sharp as back then I can see this working simply for that fact alone already :D
You should do this with the other races! I think the ai behaves differently against the other races and might even scout if you play random. Could be wrong though.
Actually I've seen insane ai trying to send some random ghosts to nuke your base🤣It's hilarious If ai could be knowing some internet cheese as well. That would be fun
I think the only way you lose to very easy AI is like when you have to read the buildings and stuff because you're so new. I can't actually see anyone with more than 10 games losing to very easy but IDK. I'm only gold.
Seems totally logical to me. I mean... 1 × uThermal > 7 × Insane AI ---> divide both sides by 7 ---> 1/7 × uThermal > 1 Insane AI. Basic math bro. 😂 Someone needs to make this man a scenario or something that also slows the build time for SCVs. Then see how far you can take that before you can't beat the A.I. 1v1 anymore. 😈
This just proves how braindead turtle terran is.
lol
Turtle any race is braindead, that has nothing to do with Terran!
at least its entertaining to watch haha
I want to rename Billy2 to gezenews
Ultras fuck it up but my macro is so dogshit I probably wont tech to it until 30 minutes. I'm terrible but appreciate the content. If you were a larger channel I would be less nice lol.
Plot twist uThermal and the A.I. are the same person and the A.I. is just playing a challenge against him like slow lings.
Your channel always brings me back to starcraft, i love these videos and i love these challenges. You are incredible man keep it up!
SCV winner name should be John Starcraft Jr.
John Sc Jr. i like it, looks like the word "scar"
SCV mcSCVface
Sergeant Duckdodge Hyde? Corporal Punishment? General Mayhem? Private Parts? Major Wood?
Whoops I forgot general clusterfunk
2:58 his palms are sweaty,
knees weak arms are heavy
but on the surface he looks calm and ready
an scv can approximately mine enough to build another scv in 1 minute. 12s to build scv means we have 2 scvs at 12s into the game. but rough calculation means 4 scvs at 2min, 8 at 3min. and now limited by the 12s build time of 5scvs per minute, you get 13 scvs at 4minutes. but log12/log2 is 3.58. so basically a delay of 3 to 4 minutes. i definitely didnt take into account the minerals and time needed for supply depots and other buildings.
🤓🤓🤓 ❤
Meanwhile on his stream: "He has only one SCV but I'm still not allowing myself to have hopes"
Love these! Challenges against AIs are fun. The archon challenges, 2v2 challenges, and of course all of the solo challenges are lovely content.
Since you have to play a game of our choice, I nominate Dwarf Fortress.
I'd love to see how his starcraft brain reacts to Total war warhammer3 totally different type of strategy
@@h0h0j0e5great idea
What about never building additional SCVs? The ones you start with are the only ones you'll ever have, any losses are permanent
That would be cool. Like my Granddad
That's not really a challenge. To put it quite simply, even my noob ass can steamroll cheater 3 AI without building workers.
Just build something next to their base before they have units and they freak out, pulling the entire worker line to derp around (not even on amove, they'll derp around back and forth a lot before right clicking on the building instead of the worker).
That, and their resource cheat starts really weak and scales up over time.
So when you proxy early they're even worse than elite AI (since maphack makes sure they know to freak out, whereas elite AI might not notice it)
@@朕是神u should get a new personality
@朕是神 for me it would be a challenge lol.🌭
@@朕是神 Their resource cheat is +2 per trip for both Minerals and Gas for the entire game.
The AI has a tech limit, too - I don't think Easy ever gets upgrades. The ScoreScreen graph flat-lines
Willy Nilly Silly Billy.
I play vs the ai alot, and each difficulty has a "unit cap", and the higher you get the more units they are alowed to make and the more frequent they will replenish the units lost.
glad im not the only one who noticed that
Watching you micro the scvs at the start of hard was wild though! It shows your massive mastery and muscle memory. Pretty neat really
At 1:09:00 I accidentally looked at the video length and saw there are 10 minutes remaining. Never thought it would end that way.
Watch out, spoiler in the subcomment!
Seeing the 10 minutes remaining, I was sad because I thought Marc will lose as I was sure there is no way he can kill all the AI's bases in 10 minutes. Boy was I wrong. What a game. Thanks so much
At 42:40 I would like to see you play forts with project incursus gaming.
Yeah
Bangin' ! "There can be only one!" -- SCV should be "Highlander" =)))
My idea for a challenge: Must research an upgrade before building more than 1 unit
11:00 Instead of the train, I thought you would make them kill each other in a circle... please do this next time! My inner child begs you.
Then you could call the survivor Josephus
In the second game, when you gone up the ramp, a drone just moved past you down to make that "surprise" expansion hatchery.
"Instead I'm very hungry" is definitely a result I hadn't expected 😅
Incredible performance, Thermy. Love your content!
His name is obviously Billy Geoff, but everybody just calls him Geoff, because there's another Billy.
rip inControl
I just recently found your channel because of my sudden interest for this game and this has been a really great content, I still don't know how to play the game where you master your hotkeys and stuff like that, as well as the strategies but because of you I'm enjoying this game and I wanna at least practice so I can master all these controls and have my own strategy, I just wanna share and you keep it up!
You have to remember the lower difficulty AI's are designed for people who havent even learned what buildings are required for what units and the hotkeys. I brought a friend in recently who had never played much of any RTS games, joined me in some 2vAI to learn, skipping the campaign till later. From that perspective this is an incredibly dense and confusing game.
Uthermal I've been watching you for years.. really love the content and playstyle !
Haven't seen the full video yet, but I knew once you expressed all your concerns about being invaded against the easy AI, that you hadn't played against the easy AI in a loooong while haha!
It's intended (for people like me) to be the easiest possible first-experience, for people who might not have even bothered with anything beyond the basic tutorial. After ~2mins, you start progressing at your full pace again, whereas people like me (who merely watch high-lvl matches or challenges on youtube) are still messing around, using no hotkeys, building random buildings and upgrades, setting arbitrary rally points, forgetting to create SCVs, overloading mineral lines, reading heaps of tooltips (SO many tooltips...), need wayyyy more time than that to build up even a minimal army :)
Heck in my first match I thought 3 tanks, 10 marines and some marauders at 10min was too much and went back to decide if I should diversify into air units and build some starports, only to find my mineral line down to the last patch and my army getting nearly wrecked by the first AI invasion (that I hadn't scouted, of course)
Puts things into perspective eh? ;)
Groetjes from a fellow Dutchie!
(I did still win my first game tho, IIRC thanks to the battlecruiser lol)
This gives me the idea for another challenge. Build depot, rax with full economy and then kill 10 SCV so you get a super-early push without spending more money on depots...
The on-screen Billy 1 versus Billy 2 graphic was awesome! It would be so funny if you had on screen countdowns in your video to win ridiculous things happen.. "like salt in 3,2,1" or "terrible blink in 3,2,1" or speech bubbles for MVP units creating little stories about their triumph!
Notwithstanding the time it may take, I upvote your good idea 👍
It would be fun to see the one scv challenge but instead of only starting with one scv you can only build with one scv (maybe this also means if that scv dies you can't build anymore)
Now I want another serral or clem series where they have to send one more drone/svc after each win. harassing allowed for more fun. Could be even cooler than the one with reduced health
You now have a lot of content where you fight the computer. When can we see you play the nightmare custom campaign? :]
This was an insanely fun/funny challenge to watch. Billy 2 name suggestion from me is Thorton. After the actor
55:49
When Marc CALLS the AI attack LESS than 3 seconds BEFORE it happens.. LEGEND!
I literally do NOT play SC2 anymore but watch almost ALL of your content! Also WinterCraft and Harstem are pretty great too! WinterCraft is the BEST SC2 commentator EVER!
God Bless you ALL!
Nice win. Since you mentioned it I would love to see you play deadlock with an arranged team of discord members on voice chat. It could be a good time. I think you need someone to send you an invite to play it but that shouldn't be hard for you to get.
congrats for defeating all the AI-s! great video, great content :)
also +1 for Boxer Billy
Hey Marc!
Very nice AI examination, it´s always nice to see how diff AI´s function in many diff games & in SC2 as well.
Thank you for this content ideas, in your series.
In this video, professional SC2 player learns he is still really good at the game. Love the videos!
I thought the very hard AI would just play a uThermal i.e. make a Reaper and just start eliminating the SCVs ..... and that would hit extremely hard and fast ... so Marc got lucky! Thank you for the insane challenge!
Hey! The shoo shoo scv train gave me an idea for a challenge. What if you could only control one unit type? Say you decide to only control zergling, then if you make roaches, you have to put the roaches on follow on the zerglings. Can you beat insane AI (or grand master) by doing that for each unit for each race?
“Reminds me of when I was a kid. Going to practice mode, making BCs” *Exits fastest map possible FFA vs AI
I bet that if you would bring the scv train to the AI's base to scout, even the AI would be like "WTF am i looking at?" :)))
Lol. Wow. What a video. Thermal cooked it up in this one.
Name for the train: The Little Engine That Couldn't
These first AI's were all like, "meh... meh...." but then the insane AI delivered, and thermy delivered in return :) 👍
Okay I'm 9 minutes in and if I know my Ai
Easy, medium, and hard AI hit at a specified time with a specified supply then expand as long as you have enough to hold that first attack you should win. (Rush tank ez win)
After hard or very hard the builds will start varying and after very hard they start cheesing and clocking if I recall.
I am a new player I have lost to the new AI about 6 months ago.
now I have beat all three campaigns on hard differently working on brutal and a silver rank on the ladder.
I'm really enjoying starcraft 2 and Uthermal's videos.
I love love to see a part 2 against cheater 2, cheater 3, alphastar, and the probots!
42:36 I would love to see you try Dofus 🤩
Congrats on beating yet another insane challenge Mark !
So ... does that mean we get a League of Legends silly challenge to GrandMaster now?
Love the accidental banger video!
Steve the Marine?
LMAO, 1 SCV & Bongcloud??? your are something else, marc.
lmfao @ the billy 1 vs billy 2 fight at the beginning. new meta discovered
challenging pro ai would be definitively interesting
13:20 thats a video idea doing mono battle/ other wierd cheeses aganst people that have map hacks. i thing i saw pig cast show matches of pros vs "ethical and consensual map hacks"
Man I need to save up for a gaming pc. This channels got me itching to play sc2 again. My last pc bit the dust like a month after heart of the swarm launched.
You should use the arcade sometime, much easier to do these challenges with it. Also, how about you start with 1 scv, 400 minerals and no command center next time (of course, using cheats in the arcade to make it happen), it’d be super cool what a Grand master can do with that!
42:40 guess you have to play League now lol
Can you play the sc2 campaign?
"Is the easy A.I. even worse than I thought." - Yes!
:D
Absolutely incredible. I never doubted you.
great job thermy. my request would be a playthrough of the nightmare difficulty campaigns
White and Light Blue Terran units looks gorgeous...
Since you love your turrets so much, you should play League of Legends as Heimerdinger for your next video.
The "AI" that you find inside video games so far in bots, is not constantly learning. It's just bots set at a fixed difficulty, for early learners to develop. SC2 is a VERY VERY mature game, your grandmaster knowledge is FAR FAR greater than these bots are meant to reproduce, because they were meant to help brand new players develop before the highly developed micro, macro strategies etc were even figured out.
“Here comes a huge attack” only uses 0 to 1 unit. Rinse and repeat 😂
He has battle cruisers. = They have a cave troll.
I wonder how crisp marcs pushes are now compared to his pro-times. If he's even remotely as sharp as back then I can see this working simply for that fact alone already :D
I love how the AI do every tech building😅
Bane, roach, hydra, spire infector. Why the hell not.
U amused me almost every video, thx man for yr work keep it up buddy. 👌👌😁😁😁
next time play as zerg with one drone
You should do this with the other races! I think the ai behaves differently against the other races and might even scout if you play random. Could be wrong though.
in the last game: is that the hyper accelerated bongcloud?
you should do this on the ladder but just send your SCVs to opponent base at the start
The game of "our choice" I would like to nominate is Heroes of the Storm
Besides this, thank you for the great content you keep offer us!
Best regards
Idea for next challenge - win ai with only one attack unit per session. No cannon rush
Super-fun stuff! Again!
Actually I've seen insane ai trying to send some random ghosts to nuke your base🤣It's hilarious
If ai could be knowing some internet cheese as well. That would be fun
I wonder if the AIs didnt expand because they thought you were cheesing after scouting your empty base.
Petition for uthermal to do the campaign nightmare mode mod
Great video Marc!
I don't find these type of challenges where you severely handicap yourself particularly fun
Billy 2 is evolving! ...
it is a Boby
SCV winner name Joe Bob based on the what you scared me line
With mass oversaturation does it not make sense to send some SCV for long distance mining, gold especially?
Billy 2 should be named Billi Tu.
Looking out for that 2 Hours League of Legends Video!
Only planetary command centers.(no orbital challenge)
1:04:03 How many tanks beat a battlecruiser? 🤔
In the same spirit of this challenge, could you do a I can’t build any scvs?
Do a challenge where you have to saturate 2 mineral lines before you can build army units
Just name the first SCV on the train... called "You mom" :)
It was such an achievment for me to beat very hard.
Same, lol
I think Billy 1 had a chance to catch up and win in a best of 5 as you had enough games to facilitate that.. He was cheated out of his comeback!
Billy McBillyface is my vote. Please prove the internet still has human intelligence and say potato- I mean vote Billy McBillyface
I'm not available on this website, message me here on this fishy site *obviously not scam link*
I thought of Challenge, can you win by sending ever unit across the map
The SCV name should be Chips Dubbo.
I think the only way you lose to very easy AI is like when you have to read the buildings and stuff because you're so new. I can't actually see anyone with more than 10 games losing to very easy but IDK. I'm only gold.
Thanks Thermy!
Seems totally logical to me. I mean... 1 × uThermal > 7 × Insane AI ---> divide both sides by 7 ---> 1/7 × uThermal > 1 Insane AI. Basic math bro. 😂
Someone needs to make this man a scenario or something that also slows the build time for SCVs. Then see how far you can take that before you can't beat the A.I. 1v1 anymore. 😈
bongclaud against insane ai. i like it
20 mins in and it's already art