Graphitint review, speed drawing demonstration and tips w/ Lachri
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- Опубліковано 1 гру 2015
- Today I'm taking look at the Derwent Graphitint water soluble tinted graphite pencils. I'm sharing my first impressions as well as some tips while I show you how I drew this Harris Hawk (reference photo from www.wildlifereferencephotos.com)
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Time lapse and speed painting tutorials and demonstrations by award winning artist Lachri. Learn how to paint portraits, surreal landscapes, pets, lions, tigers, and birds...pretty sure a Wizard of OZ reference should be made right about now. Get tips and watch techniques for working in acrylic and oil paint, carbon pencil, graphite and colored pencil.
This video was shot using the Canon VIXIA HF G20 HD camcorder.
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I know this video is several years old, so I hope you see this comment. I have this set [24 set] and really was not sure about the best way to use it. Really useful information all the way through this video, thank you for that! I feel a little more brave now! I'm also very happy to have found your channel!
I was on the Derwent website and they rate all the colors for lightfastness. It seems like the lightfastness issue is limited to specific colors and not the whole kit. If you hover over each color it shows the lightfastness rating my understanding is that 7+ is very lightfast. There are some 3 and 4 ratings on specific colors which is where people are having a problem but there are others that are fine.
www.derwentart.com/en-us/p/0700803/professional/pencils/derwent-graphitint-pencils,-metal-tin,-24-count
Thanks. They recommend using the most current lightfast chart which show they are all lightfast with only a few at 6 and the rest at 7 or 8. Hopefully this means they have changed…something. What do you think?
by far you're the best artist I've seen. Your UA-cam videos are so well done with editing and just so full of useful information. I just love your videos and artwork.
+MeganLuvsGreenDay Thank you!! :D
My neighbour gave me his 24 set of these that almost hasn't been touched along with a 60 pack of faber castell albrecth durer.. i feel so blessed and happy and have already made some pieces with them
Thank you sooooo much! I was about to buy a set for my portrait business. GRACIOUS! If it is not light fast and fades out it is of no use to me at all. You just saved me money and you saved my reputation because I advertise all work as archival portraits!
I've had the 12 set of these for a while and I love using these for an initial landscape sketch for a watercolor. I agree that once you add water it's like butter no matter the directionality of the marks. Because of the lack of lightfastness you mentioned, I'd only use these for an initial sketch for a water media based painting or maybe on watercolor greeting cards.They are very soft and the lifting is definitely reminiscent of a traditional watercolor over the permanence of the Inktense.
+Joe Maysky It's funny you mention greeting cards, I was thinking they would be good for that too :)
Just bought a box of Strathmore watercolor cards. Great support for practicing small.
Thanks for letting me know about the light fastness!
Thank you for using it! I've been waiting for your demo on this pencils. About to buy 1 set for me. I've learned a lot! Especially, that I also like grays!
+Minddbuggler Let me know how you like them :D
I was thinking of getting these but the lightfastness scared me off... so I tried combining my museum watercolor pencils with a water soluble graphite and you got the same result, except lightfast.
this looks so cool, might just get a set!
also loved the bloopers in the end haha :D
+PulsateMusic lol thanks :)
I love using this set with the graphite tinted set. It makes it soft, they are watersoluble and carry the yellow sand and coral colors. They work great together.
Thank you so much for this review, so helpful.
Wow, another stunning picture! You would think I would be used to your talent and the amazing work you do, yet every week I watch and am always so impressed! I love that you try new products, and the review was great! TFS
+Anita Holmes Thanks!!
Beautiful! Love the effect of the muted colors, I hope you use them again for a video. I think these pencils and the Inktense are some of the most interesting new mediums, really love them :)
+MissNausicaa87 Thanks, they really are a lot of fun :D
These are great pencils. I made a portrait with these for my mum, which is hanging in her bedroom framed under glass. I didn't notice any fading on it, but perhaps it was very gradual? It's been over 7 years and it still shows reds and purples. Also, while painting with them I noticed I get better results adding water to them using a wet q-tip, which allows me to handle the layers of paint with more control than a watercolour brush. It lifts colour better as well, being absorbent cotton.
www.flickr.com/photos/assafs/2637452968
+Assaf Shtilman That is great to hear. Your work is beautiful! I have to wonder if the people who had their work fade when not exposed to light used bad paper or if they were stored in the heat in the trunk of their cars. I will be testing it out myself soon. Fingers crossed my results are as good as yours! BTW your portrait looks beautiful!!
Thank you for critiquing this medium. I always appreciate your candor. Great job on the hawk. Loved the muted look of it. The most valuable part of this review, for me, is the info regarding lightfastness. (is that a word? I don't know, but I'm sure you understand what I'm saying.)
+Jnekochan yes, it's a word :D
Thank you. Just wondering if you had tested with a UV protective fixative or other means to test lightfastness.
Hey Lisa!I love your work and I look forward to your reviews. They are always helpful and very informative. I have been wanting to try these for a long time. The word "graphite" in it's description was sort of scary for me but you made an awesome use of these pencils. Your drawing looks absolutely stunning.. I think I'll add these to my Xmas wish list ☺Also, please please do a review of Faber castell Albrecht Durer pencils! Pretty please!
+Permanent Rose I need to do that :)
Before experimenting with these pencils, I watched a few videos. On 03/03/21, upon watching this Lachri Fine Art video, as you can imagine, I became very concerned about LIGHT FASTNESS. So I googled a number of REVIEWS. There was overwhelming agreement that is completely contradictory to what the above demonstration claims. Perhaps, since the above demonstration was posted in 2015, Derwent addressed the issue. However, having been familiar with Derwent products for many yeas, it struck me as highly unusual that they would release a product with such inconsistency in LIGHT FASTNESS. I will post a quote from one such review. and I repeat, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF REVIEWS AGREE WITH REGARD TO LIGHT FASTNESS!
"Light fastness is a very important factor for all artists, including coloured pencil artists, Derwent seem to take this matter very seriously and have certainly done an excellent job with the Graphitint range. Derwent range their products on a scale of 0-8 for lightfastness, with 6 and above being considered very light fast. In the 24 set of Derwent Graphitint, 19 of them are rated 6 and above, which is an excellent ratio in my opinion."
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p.s. I will have to see which 5, of 24, are rated below 6, and what are they rated at.
p.p.s - So, the following link will display DERWENT''S LIGHT FASTNESS CHART. ALL 24 RATED 6 OR BETTER!
www.derwentart.com/a/316722
I've seen others use these pencils with watercolors (the drawing and layout of the project). Thank you Lisa :)
+Rhonda Magee I can see where they would work well with watercolors. They felt very much like watercolors themselves :D
derewnts website appear to give the latest incarnation of these much higher lightfast ratings than in the past.
just thinking out loud mod podge spray acrylic .i wonder covering this style would work on graphiye i mean
great job, great tutorial =)
+zweistift Thanks :)
I have a couple of sketches in a really crappy cartridge paper sketchbook from two years ago that are still going strong. Looking forward to seeing how your tests come out.
+GummyTumor That's really good to hear. Did you use water with yours?
+Lachri Fine Art Yes, I used some greens, black, and the reddish browns to sketch some moss covered stones and bricks. Then went over it with a water brush. I don't see any shift in color compared to the picture I took right after I finished, either. I wonder if maybe there was a faulty batch that somehow made it through.
I really like them, just wish there were more colours
would you please make review on marco raffine color pencils and marco renoir color pencils??? all are now talking about those colors,,,so i would like to hear your reviews on those colors....
these are like buttah! definite shame about the light fastness though. I've only done one tiny drawing with them in a sketchbook but it looks fine after about 4 months. It was blues and grays. I don't know if the different colors have a different lightfastness though. Do you know of any similar products with better staying power? I've been eyeing the Derwent tinted charcoal for that same muted effect.
Goodness, those look so rad. But I kind of lose interest if the lightfastness turns out to be as bad as you heard. Kind of a bummer if so. You think there is any way around it? The colors are so muted and soft I just love that look.
+Unmask Art Yeah, I loved the muted look too. I'm going to test them with UV spray and behind UV glass, but if they are in fact fading in people's sketchbooks when not exposed to light, I don't see how UV products will help. I will update everyone as I test stuff though :)
+Lachri Fine Art please see my comment above :)
+Lachri Fine Art Hi Lisa, I looked on derwent's website @ the light fastness of these pencils and they actually weren't too bad most of them fell between 5-7 and only a couple were 3.
The colours are very pretty i totally agree! this is a lovely piece, how long did it take to create?
+Emma Core I'm not sure actually. I worked on it on and off during thanksgiving week.
Ah the messy rendering lines always reminds me of a professor I had who calls it "kilikili rendering" which means armpit rendering. xD
Beautiful bird
I got these and I love them. I wonder if you got the Derwant graphite blocks X Large, there water-soluble and they would work great with these
+Crystal Owen They probably would. I think I read somewhere where derwent recommended using them with their regular water soluble graphite pencils.
Hi Lisa! I would like to hear what kind of light you use in your art studio. I have problems with finding the light source that reflects the true colors and my coloring looks better in the light from my daylight led lamps than it look during the day in the sunlight. I know that color rendering index on the bulbs has to have high value - as close to 100 as possible, but my lamp has a value >90 and still there is a difference between the coloring at daytime and at nighttime. Can you please give me some advice how to find a solution to this problem, because finding of the correct colorvalue is of the most importance to me.
I miss the graphitints that I had, need to get some again. In my experience, because they are those muted, kinda gritty colors, I think they lend themselves well to darker, gritty themes.
If you do go the route of using them for studies and sketches though, there have been artists who have been selling printed mini books of such sketches, studies, etc. I don't know if you would consider doing something like that, but it's something that came to mind.
+Pied Camel Art (Karja) That's a pretty cool idea!
i'm sorry about the fading, i've not noticed yet because i've only used them for a little while, for field sketches because the colours are so realistic and easy to mix with normal sketching pencils (that's how i did my detail) and coloured pencils (eg gorse flowers (bright yellow in a greyish landscape))
Hi Lisa! How about using these as an underpainting, with more light fast products? Thank you!
Lol you had too much coffee but you and your work are adorable!
+Aerielle Saguil Believe it or not, I rarely drink coffee. I love it but it makes me sick. I allow myself one starbucks once a week, never before recoding videos or you guys wouldn't be able to understand a word I say!
+Lachri Fine Art I see :)
Amazing video! Though I'm wondering is 24 the biggest set?? Do you feel limited by the very few number of colours? XD I absolutely enjoyed this video (and the patreon version as well)
+Meeoow Thanks! Yes, the 24 set was the largest. Being limited on colors was part of why I chose this project. They are perfect for lots of different wildlife subjects :)
Please what colors did you,use for that lovely background?
Guess who had to re-watch this year old video???
HAHA! I need to make another video with them soon!
About the lightfast issue" What happens if you use the Graphitint for the base sketch, and Inktense for the color?
Do you have an opinion on regular watercolor pencil brands? I've used the Kimberley's, Artist Loft, and Faber Castell Aquarelle so far. I love the Faber Castell, but I've been told that they are only the student grade line. I'd rather have something as lightfast as possible, but I have no idea where to even begin looking for that information on watercolor pencils.
+Michael Keeter (Solo) I don't currently work in colored pencil so I'm no help there. Maybe in the future I will try some out though :)
can you blend without using water ? or do these pencils only blend using water?
this is pretty :0 I have been wanting to ask, I have a lot of trouble doing layers uncolored pencil without layering a solid color and then blending out and leave it that way or add a bit more color. Do you have any tips in terms of teaching yourself to work in layers? Thanks for your time! :3
+Daniel Glover I don't actually understand what you're asking. >
+Daniel Glover I don't actually understand what you're asking.
oh haha X> What i meant was was just if you had any ways to better yourself at layering, cause i find difficult to layer colours correct… Lachri Fine Art XD
Lisa, this is a great review. It bothers me that these and the Inktense are not lightfast. I don't know if a UV spray finish would help. I guess you and I need to test these.
+Michael Parry I'm going to test them. I don't have a lot of hope for the UV glass or UV sprays to help with these though if they were in fact fading within people's sketchpads when not exposed to light. Of course there could have been other variables that caused that to happen but it's a bit worrying. I will test them behind both uv glass and spray though and update everyone with the results after next summer :)
+Lachri Fine Art , Lisa, GREAT
Did you ever get the results from your UV protectant testing?
According to Derwent the lightfastness is great. some are 6 wich is good but most even 7 and 8. I know your video is some years old, so i wonder if they changed the formula. Do you know anything about that Lisa?
So graphite the is not colorfast? I thought they were a 6-8. Is it not colorfast because you add water? Could you clarify
Lisa - have you tested these for lightfastness yet? I bought these in 2012 and the project I did with them has faded. Some people claim Derwent improved these since the initial reports of lightfast problems but I don't find any info on the Derwent site other than the chart that claims excellent lightfastness for the colors I used. Justine
Mine has not been exposed to light at all but I can say it's not faded one bit. I read where some swore they faded in their notebooks where they too were not exposed to light but I have to wonder if they were using crappy paper or left the work in the hot car or if some other factor was involved because fading in the dark wouldn't be a lightfast issue but something else entirely. I was glad to see though that a year later mine looks the same.
Hi Lisa , thanks for your reply. The fading issue info can be found here including the link to Kate Johnson's faded sketchbook page. rozwoundup.typepad.com/roz_wound_up/2008/10/derwent-graphit.html. From 2008. Some people say that Derwent improved the pencils since then. I bought them in 2012 for a project that's been in a frame on the wall since then using graphite and graphitint colors rated lightfast by Derwent. The project has faded. I can't find any announcements by Derwent that these pencils were improved. So I was wondering if you had followed up with any testing since you have bought these pencils more recently. Justine
Will you mention in a later video if this medium does fade, even in a sketchbook? I'm sort of curious now.
+ttttttttp2 Absolutely. I want to come back to this and the inktense after I test them :)
+Lachri Fine Art Lisa, I would be interested in your test of the inktense. I just started with the blocks and pencils. Not all colors react the same. Not all pencils react the same. If I can duplicate some of what I fine, I will hare these. These Graphintint pencils look fun.
NB if they fade after not being exposed to light, then light can't be making them fade, so it's not a light-fast-ness problem but some chemical degradation?
+Josephine Winter Yeah, in which case that's pretty bad. but that made me question if it was the paper the other artists had used because I'm reading here how many have not had that problem. Mine isn't that old, but it's not faded at all yet. Some of the ones I read said within months they were completely faded. I really wish I knew the conditions they were keeping it in. I guess time will tell on my own :)
Have you also tried/reviewed albercht durer?
I wonder if the Derwent Tinted Charcoal is as bad as the Graphitint when it come to fading. I can't find very many reviews on the charcoal.
+lalaithan I'm not sure about that :)
I think it’s SUPPOSED to fade, because the colors are supposed to be muted.
I just woundering: You dont seem to use pastel chalk or pencil and I wouner why? Are coloured pencil better than pastel pencils and chalk and why?
Thank you so MUCH for the information - look forward to more!
I think I'll get these pencils ☺
You really should! I have 4 of them and they are truly awesome!
+Orion H. Which 4 do you have? Tell me you have purple...that one is the prettiest!! haha
+3mmi3 They're a lot of fun :)
Lachri Fine Art I have Mountain Grey, Ivy, Dark Indigo, and.........Aubergine!
+Orion H. HAHA YES!
I watched a video review of these pencils and he said that 18 of the 24 colors are highly lightfast.
can you do a drawing in guache?
+Eveyn Chavez I've actually never tried guache. I will need to :)
The colours are UNIQUE, those who want a larger set risk losing the perfect palette! Never heard about the fading, got to see if I can find a review regarding that topic. They are actually GRAPHITE TINT pencils to use by graphite artist's who are purists and insist on using only graphite in their work. They are not colour pencils, not watercolours by any means. They are best when used for what they are made to do. Derwent are said to be used for landscapes, wildlife, etc. Spectrum Noir tinted graphite is said to be better for potraites.
I'm honestly not even sure how much I believe the fading claims anymore. Nothing I've painted with these has faded at all after 4 years. They were not exposed to sunlight, but people were claiming they faded when never exposed to light within months. 4 years isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of what is archival, but it's sure not the several months that people were claiming. I now think they either used non-acid-free paper or had some sort of impurities in the water they used that caused the issues. Or they just lied, who knows.
@@Lachri On the tin Derwent gives the LF of each pencil. Some are better than others. I like the openness, companies on occasion give the LF of sets, but not the pencils in the set.
About the lightfastness of these pencils, in a tin of 24, 17 are rated between 7 and 8. According to Derwent, "Lightfastness rating = 3,4 - FAIR, MODERATE | 5,6 - GOOD, VERY GOOD | 7,8 - EXCELLENT." So, it is just a matter of a few words to search and find the answer to make more accurate claims.
Yes, but once water is added we don't know what those numbers are. Derwent does not test once water has been added. That's what we're talking about here. To be fair, I question the reports I've read from those claiming they faded within months. We have no idea what paper or type of water was used.
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+Orion H. First to reply in comments section.
Not much vibrant color , kinda dull looking colors.
+joy gilley I loved that about these. They are great for stormy skies. Some of the colors can be much more bold (the reds and purples) but I didn't use them that way :D