when the victim is finally DONE with the abuser
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When he says "after knowing my kids now", the thing that gets me is that NOW HE KNOWS HOW YOUNG A 12-YEAR-OLD IS. Looking at his own daughters, he can see that no matter how much Mary Kay tried to gaslight him into thinking he was an adult who was freely participating in something, he WAS a child. He could look at his children and SEE how young a 12-year-old is.
His parents and all adults around him failed him
That's how many victims realise how manipulated they were- seeing their own kids and understanding whatis appropriate as an adult. It's exactly how Michael Jackson's victims saw how they had been manipulated and tricked.(And people who invalidate victims by claiming they should have come forward sooner are wrong.)
but his children saved him.@@digits489
The poor man... when he says "now that I am closer to that age, when I look back at the age I was, I could never look at a child that way." You can tell he is SO, SOOOOOO close to realizing the wrongs that have been done to him.
It seems clear that he wasn’t close, he was fully aware at this point. But it’s complicated when you have children and a whole life together, on top of the abuse. It seems like he may have been trying to find his way out.
@@gladiatorinsweatsAgreed. As someone who was in an abusive relationship, I *knew* he was abusive but I was so *conditioned* and I couldn’t even speak negatively about him. I can’t imagine more than a decade of being in a trauma bond esp one that started in childhood.
@@YoSoFunnyx3Yes. I was groomed and abused by the same man 10 years older from 14-23 and it took me taking mushrooms and a 3 hour shower putting myself in his shoes to see what an evil, disgusting, predator he is and always was. I would NEVER hurt or abuse anyone, let alone a teenager who's just looking for love and acceptance. It's so sad and f*cked up the way groomers can literally brainwash you. I truly thought he loved and cared of me from when I was 14, but after leaving I realize I literally had stockholm syndrome from spending 24/7 almost 10 years with a man who terrorized me nearly every day. And I'm so glad to be a happy, free 24 almost 25 year old ❤
Did they have children? Maybe he has a son that was close to the age he was when the "relationship" started. It seems that victims realize they were victims when they realize that they truly were children then by seeing it in their children
He's definitely in therapy
It’s even more disgusting when you find out that the first time she actually met and interacted with him at the school HE WAS IN KINDERGARTEN, absolutely disgusting, if you look into how he was when she was in jail, he was definitely going through it I hope he is at some peace now. He got no justice whatsoever, his family tried to sue the school district for what happened and lost. It’s even more disgusting that when her husband found out at the time, he confronted HIM A CHILD, not his wife.
If you look up her father, he did the same thing she did as well. She definitely used him to get out of jail, she wrote letters to him and tried to contact him saying that if they got married she wouldn’t be in jail anymore. Right after this interview they divorced but he ended up going back to her when she was sick, she constantly held guilt and power over him
So lets say a child persues an adult, normally that adult doesn't end up sleeping with said child no matter how much they push a relationship. She definitely had to think about being attracted to him, to sleep with him, a 12 year old at the time she got pregnant the first time and 13ish year old the second time she got pregnant (i think he could've been 13 by the time his daughter was born in prison and after her sentencing she was only in prison for 3 months then slept with him immediately when she got out of prison and got caught in a car with him by an officer which sent her back to prison because she was banned from seeing him again. She then ended up in prison for 7 years and was pregnant from him again after that moment out of prison. So he could've maybe been 14 depending on when he had a birthday but probably 13 the second time she got pregnant
You can see on his face that he is realizing that she will never admit she was and is wrong.
I’M SO HAPPY HE SAID HE COULDN’T DO THAT IF THE ROLES WERE SWITCHED
a bad teacher for me is when they groom and sleep with their students who are 12 and is 6th grade....but thats just me.
She looks so creepy my goodness...
I feel like I'm watching this with a friend. Thanks for the company
Him trying to explain what attracted him to her when he was a kid is so telling. He just says she was pretty and she drew sometimes. That’s what mattered to him bc he was a literal CHILD
Omg right! And when he said the relationship started as a friendship, I’m over here like, what does 34 year old have in common with a 12 year old child? I’m 27 and barely have anything in common with a 17 year old let, maybe a mutual love for Taylor at most
I cant imagine how he feels when he thinks back about how his abuser groomed him that hard. His daughters are the reason he blinded himself for so long when the reality hit him in adulthood.
Let’s be real, there are grown men right now who would said the same thing about their grown up gf. Men are not known to be the deepest when it comes to what attracts them in a woman…
@@elodieelvira7913ok but what does this have to do with anything loll
@@elodieelvira7913 Thats sad and very telling on the part on these grown men. They are man children not fully matured. Its a shame women have to put up with it honestly.
I will say, this interviewer did great at creating a false sense of security before bringing the heat. Its so satisfying to see her tell on herself and flounder when she realizes he's not actually on her side.
Agree, I was impressed with the interviewer, especially on a re-watch. Once you see how he goes IN on her and calls her out on her contradictory statements, it becomes clear that his light-hearted comments towards the beginning are simply to lull her into a false sense of security. He was never on her side.
@@rachelcarolyn It's a useful tactic for interrogation so it makes sense for conducting journalism to expose something
Aussie interviews are the best
I remember watching the full video and I believe the two actually argued about it if I can remember correctly
The journalist was trying to talk about abuse, with the victim, in front of the abuser. It's like speaking in code to one person (the victim) while walking the other (the abuser) into a trap.
5 minutes in and my skin is crawling this woman is TERRIFYING
I remember when their case was happening; Vili is my age and I remember thinking at the time HOW is this something that happens?? Tbh I still wonder...
Her baby voice and disgusting little girl lisp while making faces like she's Pennywise's twin sister creeped me out so badly.
For real! 👀😱 disgusting human being
She just making herself look even worse. She is clearly a pedo and clearly she used her position to manipulate him and get him to do what she wanted so she could be guilt free. This woman (I use that term lightly) makes me sick. I have worked with kids before and in no way shape or form would I ever even think about doing something like this let alone do it. Just the fact she considered this is disgusting. The ONLY THING she should have Said was NO IM AN ADULT UR A CHILD THIS IS NOT HOW IT WORKS. . This poor man is prob messed up big time. ❤😢🤬
Innit
He was groomed & the media around the situation is wild. So many people minimalized the situation because he's a boy. I heard a lot of 'That's the dream" from grown men. It's so sad how badly he was failed as a child.
It's so disgusting I can't even fathom how he put up with her
Extremely common.
men don’t take their own abuse seriously
@@aleeeeeeexoxo Because it's a learned response. If you try to stand up for yourself when you're being abused, society turns against you. Since you're on your own, it's best to not care. What hurts more? Being abused and deluding yourself into not noticing, or being well-aware and having your eyes open, and being unable to do anything about it? Numbness is common.
@@ViirinSoftworks girl what
I seem to remember an interview with Villi where he said that when his daughters were about 12, he realized how immature they were and incapable of making mature life decisions and this started changing how he saw his relationship with Mary. I'm so glad he's free of her, and I hope at some point he fully realizes that he was not the aggressor in that relationship.
It's very sad it took him having young kids to see the vulnerability of a child and why it is and was so wrong. Imagine realizing that after a life with someone always feeling uncomfortable and now you know why.
I remember reading an article where he said something to the effect of he couldn't even see himself being attracted to someone that age and how it was "weird." He honestly never had a chance with her in his life and it's so sad.
@@HaleyBug221 well, he was being groomed after all. he probably couldn't see it because mary already had her claws so deep in him. mary should have never been allowed to walk free, and his family should have made damn sure she never EVER got to speak another word to him.
Yeah. He lost his childhood, so he didn’t know what one should look like until he could compare his own upbringing with that of his children. I was sexually abused as a kid. It took me until my late teens/early twenties to fully digest how messed up it was that I held myself accountable for that abuse, and all it took was spending some time around children who were the same age I was when I was abused. I’d interact with a kid, and they were so clearly a kid in my eyes that it clicked, “how could anyone anyone treat this child like an adult, and justify it?”
I was the same age as Vili when this all happened and I remember reading an article about them in People once (I think it might have been just after their second daughter was born) and Vili said "Mary Kay didn't take my childhood, I gave it away". Even back then that creeped me out but looking back on it now as an adult, I realize just how brainwashed he really was to say that.
Her father was “married once” but had a whole secret family with a former student of his. Like father, like daughter 🥰🤮🤮
The apple didn't fall far from the tree.
Wow, I didn't know that part of the story. The father had a relationship with one of his students? This is wild!!!
Your use of emoticons is insane lol
Smdh...Just sick...sound like they both were dealing with the same demon(s)
At least his father was out loud! Her Dad was undercover, and skeezy.
Pedophilia is just that. She was guilty period
Everybody knows that if this was a man we all know how this would have went .
"Traumabonding. Prisoner." no ma'am thats a pedophile 😅
@@topazfire974not exactly
@@fangirl3086yes, exactly
@@belinda8313 Unfortunately, I know you're wrong. Trust me I wish you were right
to be 34 years old and think you’re being pursued by a literal child is WILD
She's a horrible delusional freak.
Right? Was she that desperate for male attention that she considered a child to be her only option?
my dog greets me at the door when I get home. I'm being persued by my dog!!!!!!!!
It’s not attention she is after. It’s the power and control over a person. That’s what she craves.
It’s not attention she is after. It’s the power and control over a person. That’s what she craves.
Yes, she was married with 4 kids. After her conviction she was rightly barred from contacting her children, the father moved them to Alaska.
Well done, Dad.
I’d love to see an interview with the older 4 children and what they think about all of this. Are they in connection with their half-siblings?
Me too!
@@KimberlyLetsGome too. I really want to know about their life and if they ever talk to their mom anymore
@@egg_bun_Mary Kay is dead now
@@egg_bun_ She died a few years back.
I read a book about this case. She said to a friend: "Such a pity. He begins too look older". Sickening.
I literally just choked. I can't-
💔
I was wondering why she stayed with him once he aged up
So gross
@@woadxqueen666- no one wanted her
@@woadxqueen666 Because she got older and boys weren't finding her attractive anymore.
the fact that she had kids and was allowed to keep them is beyond me.
Agree. I can't imagine what it must have been like for her daughters and the children she had from her previous marriage, to face this reality and realize that your mother is a monster.
true like she's just horrible and the fact that double standards lets sh like this happen is outrageous
Beyond me is that ppl can still have children like rabbits without actually being fit for anything, let alone "caring" for a vulnerable child🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
It's crazy she had kids from her previous marriage
she's dead so...at least he's free
I don't understand how she was allowed to have care & custody of her own children in any capacity. This is one of those rare cases where CPS should have been waiting outside the delivery room to collect & protect those children.
She a women and female predators don’t get enough attention like a male predator do smh
Yes that was a horrible idea to even let her near kids. I know this is a serious situation but don’t she kinda look like the smiling titan from AOT
Well, at least they didn't let her have contact with her older children from her previous marriage, who moved in with their father as soon as the judge granted him the custody of the four children and he was the one who exclusively took care of their upbringing.
Because she's a woman. Courts overwhelmingly side with mothers even when they shouldn't. There's also the belief that women are unable to hurt men in the same way that men hurt women which taints how people view cases like this.
@@bedroombunny9529this is not always true, cps should of been involved the moment she got arrested but sadly cps workers don’t always get involved.
"Some children commit horrific murders and are charged as adults, therefor all children should be adults"
WHAT KIND OF INSANE LOGIC IS THAT?!?!
right
The mental gymnastics! And she said it so confidently, as if it was a valid point. Ugh
Litterally tried to change the rules.
She really thought she won
The logic of someone who knows it’s wrong, knows they’re full of shit, but refuses to accept responsibility
He divorced her a year after this interview. As soon as their youngest child turned 18. Im willing to bet now that she has passed, he would feel alot more free being candid and honest about his true feelings back then, in prospective/retrospect to now.
He probably had lost faith in the system and thought staying with his abuser is his only way to protect his children. The moment the children turn legal he escaped and took them away.
@@ZoryaUtrennyayaor she threatened to take the kids away if he ever divorced her, and that's why he waited till all of them were adults
We heard from him kind of recently when he spoke about Netflix (I think it was them?) making a movie about his abuse without even talking to him about it. He also became a grandpa for the first time in January 2024 (if I'm remembering correctly).
@@jacinta9134true, but the movie wasn't even really about his specific abuse (as I understand it!) and he was extremely defensive about it in ways that felt like he still wanted to protect her.
Or he felt like the movie blamed "him" (or, the Charles Melton character) when it absolutely did not. The Julianne Moore character was meant to come off as a liar and a predator, though it was subtle.
Either way, it's understandable, but suggests he (also understandably) has a long way to go.
@@joywagner979 I didn't know this, thank you for adding it in.
She was married and had children when she did this. She gave up her children to pursue a preteen. Disgusting.
She ruined her marriage then after the divorce she still ruined her ex second marriage.
Child, he was a child
@@ladylilith06that is the same thing Lmfaoooooooo
@@babybunni2385I think the person saying he’s a child means he wasn’t even a preteen when she met him. I think she met him when he was 7/8 like a literal child and not a preteen because in the interview it said he was a second grader and she became his 4th grade teacher too
@@tommyserrato6485a 12 year old is still very much a child. 7 is a small child
She fully with her chest said “male minors can’t be raped legally and I agree with that” I’m leaving this universe
It was the reality she created for herself to absolve herself of responsibility. She still didn't like to be confronted with the truth that he was a young boy, she was his teacher (even if he wasn't in her class at the time), and that she should have never entertained it let alone pursued it. She was delulu and created her own universe not just to cope with knowing she raped a child but to pretend it never even happened that way, that he wanted her and he was not a child. Because in her mind she romanticised him as older and interested in her...which made it this whole love story where age was irrelevant. It's fucking gross and I am so glad he woke up to her. I hope he is healing now and that their kids are doing ok (I think they are probably adults now and coping with knowing this about your mother and your own conception cannot be easy).
Opt me out
She's actually right tho or she was right.. if I'm not mistaken it wasn't until 2010 or 2011 prior to that rape was only classified as forced penatration against a woman. So at the time this happened it wasn't rape "legally"
@@THETHIRDL2009that’s theoretically the law still here in the UK. Due to the inability for the woman to penetrate the male, however it’s still sexual assault and the time incarcerated is the same
@@THETHIRDL2009She went to prison for almost a decade for it though. So clearly she wasn't correct.
He’s sooo checked out, yet traumatised at the same time. His body language SAYS EVERYTHING
Yes. When asked how long they’ve been married and she’s so calm and sweet but I imagine he was remembering all the fights I’m sure she starts at every holiday, birthday, anniversary, and celebration. Because that’s what controlling narc types do.
Right dim glazed over eyes. This ish seems like something out of a scary movie.
He has daughters and knows how disgusting it is now.
She was still married and had four children when this happened. He was 8-years-old when she taught him but started a sexual relationship with him when he was 11 (maybe younger) and she gave birth to their first child when he was 12. She was given a slap on the wrist and told to stay away from him. She got pregnant by him with their second child and then was sent to prison. She is truly a vile person.
The court system failed him . When the police officer first caught them she should have been arrested and sent to 20 years min in prison. She would have not even had a chance to get pregnant once let alone twice . The polic office made my blood boil.
I’m 36, and my one nephew is 12. If someone my age did anything like this to ANY of my nieces or nephews, I’d be in federal prison.
IKR, the nerve of that chick taking his childhood away. so gross on so many levels.
It’s crazy and it’s still going on so much to this day! 😒🥺😩 I can’t wrap around my head when men do it and women surely do not get a pass!!!! 🤮🥺🥺 May God protect and give those being abused the courage to speak up!!! 🥺
I’m 29 and I would be in the feds too
@@ceciliauribe812I agree I can't understand how a woman could have a mindset like this at all either but sadly in prison she would be considered one of the normal inmates because I've heard of stories of women our age getting pregnant by 12 year olds look what happened with Elaine Maxwell she's in there for the next 30 years of her life for trafficking minors and some people think her husband staged his death too because they were both predators that actually disturb me because my mother may of mentally scared me like this too so I'm fully aware women like this exist I found one on the bus the others day that made fun of my hat she said if I don't tape the bunny ears down I might get raped in it the young guy that just happened to be sitting next to me was staring her down like she was his next target. These women almost never get passes for this kind of stuff so I think it's dumb when people try to make it seem like women get passes for SA. They almost always wind up in prison when they get caught for it.
YES!!!! Say it louder for the people in the back!!!
The only time villy smiles is when the interviewer starts calling out his "wife" for starting a relationship with a 13 year old and tells her to let him speak. Very telling.
Yes, like he's waiting for people to call her out and demand justice for him still... he still needs counseling. Him still accepting HER warped view of the situation and him JUST NOW seeing himself as somewhat of a victim is sad.
He's definitely got that walking on eggshells vibe during the whole interview; like someone resigned to just keep the peace rather than someone actually happy.
That was me when I was abused and the spell was starting to wear off and damn I hope he gets help healing all the wounds she gave him with this fuckery…. No child deserves this and I want men to stop doing it, not for more women to join in on the trauma bonding…. I want the world to be healthier for us ALL! Good people doing our best deserve health! 💖
The gender-neutralising of the statutory r*pe laws happened in the early 90s and I cannot imagine that teachers would have had absolutely no understanding of that. She is so much of an exhauster, there is no way you can nit-pick her responses; as soon as you fact-check her, she's off to the races down another pedantic semantics-terminology rabbit hole.
And how she was saying that back in the day they were all about “protect our daughters”, yea, because no one (except for her and others that went unreported) was going after sons. Does that make it okay because it wasn’t talked about? If there was a surge of women “being seduced” by boys, we’d be saying “protect our sons.” Complete deflector.
The way she keeps emphasising how she was a teacher, but not *his* teacher, as if that makes any difference
@@AmbassadorKatShe was his teacher at one point, so... School is more than 20years behind me now, but I still refer to the adults in front of my classrooms as 'my teachers'. It would still be awkward (and kinda gross) to start dating one of them now as a full grown adult woman. What's her point?
There’s also the fact that as someone who has worked with kids (as even just a coach) you take courses on when to report abuse which includes grooming. And if she’s such a good teacher and on top of her “continuing education,” she would know the laws 🤷♀️
We have laws as teachers, regardless of gender, that because of the imbalance of power between the teacher and student, relationships of strictly forbidden. Teachers automatically lose their teaching licenses and will be charged. Period. This holds true for all professions where there is an imbalance of power. I live in Ontario, Canada, and we have a College of Teachers, which is our professional advisory council. This rule holds true for all people in the teaching profession, and this rule is within the profession at least in North America. She is nuts to think, at minimum, that she was not aware of this rule within her profession back then, even if it wasn’t ‘illegal’ for a woman, which I highly doubt. Why did she end up behind bars if it wasn’t illegal? What legal precedent did the courts use then?
I don't give a damn if there wasn't a law on the books, she KNEW that he was a child! Period. She was playing semantics. What a sicko🤬
Just that she didn't accuse him of rape when it all started is a strong indicator that she knew it was wrong but didn't care. Only to now in this interview tell it as if HE was the agressor and that HE was to blame for it all.
I mean, lady you were the adult and he was a KID which means that YOU are the one to stop it from escalating.
As a teacher, this sickens me. Kiddos always have crushes on their teachers. It is innocent and should not be exploited or encouraged.
You’re absolutely right. When I was in high school there was a PE teacher who all the girls and gays had a huge crush one. He was 25. I’ll never forget the moment I realized he knew we all had a crush on him because whenever a saw a group of girls flocking or giggling his name, he went in the opposite direction! Even at 17 I understood that he was doing what any respectable, responsible adult who is NOT attracted to children would do.
Exactly
@@jesswhycamarzwe had a young male teacher like that at my middle school. He definitely had to set boundaries because there was one girl in particular who was always trying to be in his face.
Great interview.. but holy moly girl you are way too loud! Trying to listen to the story over your screaming and yelling is difficult.
So true.
You know this woman has no morals when she makes it clear that the only issue is that she didn't know the laws about sleeping with a student. You don't need laws to know that sleeping with a 13 year old boy is immoral.
Exactly. If you need someone to tell you how to be a good person, then you’re most likely not a good person 😭😭
12. he was 12. which is arguably even worse.
And I’m pretty sure teachers are given training on boundaries with students even back then, she totally knew what she was doing
I haven't watched this yet, but this was a big story, book, & show in France and Europe and I looked into it bc of the international interest. She is the child and Villi ended up being the mature adult, right to the end. I did feel sorry for her bc she seemed to truly love him in her twisted head, and when she was dying she still seemed like her biggest sadness was losing him. He was mature and did speak w her, just kinda sad bc they were together for quite some time and had kids.
Which is also really dumb. At least in the uk teachers have safeguarding policies. Lane knows she’s wrong because she’s trying to dance around it. She was a monster. I’m glad he’s free now.
I hate when pedophiles try to say they had a lot of things in common with literal children. I’m almost 30 and don’t even have anything in common with 20 year olds.
I remember being an insecure 17 yr old and being pursued by a gorgeous 14 year old guy, but I thought I was too old for him. Less than a year later he lost his virginity to a 21 year old sister of a friend of mine.
right? now that I'm an adult, I think back to a certain inappropriate adult in my life and am like wtf were they (in 40s) getting out of having a 9 year old as their best friend/therapist/emotional support partner.... ? I would never get any of that from a kid. Kids might be clever/funny/have neat insights, but there's no way in hell I could see them as an "equal" mentally or anything remotely close. It's gross and bizarre.
My ex is 34 and thought a freshly 18 year old girl who attended the middle
College he worked at was appropriate 🙃 he claimed they had movie interests in common and “18 is an adult!” While in the same breath told me he had to sneak over and pick her up because she didn’t have a drivers license and her mom wouldn’t allow it. Normal adults aren’t attracted to teenagers like that.. it angers me too dude!
This 🎯
I'm 26 and I don't like talking to anyone under 24 because I simply can't relate. It's like we're from different parts of the multiverse 💀 I got the creeps the second she started talking.. the vibes are rancid
The fact that he’s looks as though he’s not fully present in this video is so heartbreaking
Well what's crazy is that when they asked about his memories of her when he was a kid in school and he can't really think of any except that she was pretty LOL
@@really5453 Most likely his brain is blocking out the trauma or doesn't want to dive into said trauma on camera. Who knows how long he's been realizing their relationship isn't ok and has been trying to deal with how to handle it seeing as how they had kids at the time. Not trying to destroy his family on tv or fall apart. He probably has a lot of anger directed at himself and I'm hoping he's working through that.
He was a child from a difficult home life. She took advantage of a vulnerable child. So wrong on so many levels. She is an ABUSER!
And then laughs that her father was married once, not 5 times. Like "Haha, my family's not broken!!" Sick.
And she should have went and stayed in jail.
@topazfire974 she absolutely should have never, ever been released! It's insane to me that she was able to get out and continue to abuse him. The laws surrounding these types of crimes need to be changed! It's just crazy that the laws haven't changed in decades and decades, knowing what we know now about how insidious grooming is and the absolute mind f*ck these victims face for the rest of their lives!
@@juliefisk8066 Just think if this was a man doing this they would have strong him up , I think one of the things that makes me even more angry about it is some people were actually thinking this was a true love story which make me sick .
@topazfire974 for sure! Women abusers get off way too lightly. They deserve every bit as much time as a man would have. I once read somewhere that women, especially beautiful women, tend to get lighter sentences compared to their male counterparts. I do not ever see any of these women as beautiful. They are abusers. Their evil nature shines through their very soul, and that erases any type of beauty they may think they have!
It’s SICK what we allowed to happen to that boy. She should’ve never seen the light of day for taking his innocence and burdening him with fatherhood WELL before he should’ve been.
I think what annoys me the most is that many, mostly men, do not understand the seriousness of this case because Vili was a "hormonal" 13-year-old boy who fulfilled the "dream" of dating his teacher and that is why he did not is a victim of grooming when in reality he is. I mean, a 13-year-old boy is a minor, a child, not old enough or has the brains to consent to a relationship with an adult regardless of whether he wants it. At that age you don't know what you want nor are you ready to have an adult relationship in any sense of the word.
Vili deserved much better than being at 14 years old changing diapers, leaving school and being harassed by journalists for a situation that he did not choose. In addition to carrying the eternal guilt that his abuser went to jail and I'm sure she never let him forget it or get over it.
@@Threeleebirdsad af 😔
@@Threeleebirdwhat is worse is they defend it with their own “consensual” experiences or their wanted fantasies, which the only thing that they are; fantasies. Funny they will vilify bdsm and call it weird like reality isn’t even worse. They would be raising hell if she wasn’t “attractive”. Nor think how out of place the child feels after they grow up.
@ScissorsLuv07 Exactly! She definitely groomed him, abused her authority, and took advantage of how inexperienced he was in life. I’d imagine him feeling isolated and alienated from his friends as he took to fatherhood.
@@ArtemisUnderscoreJ Totally, there was a case similar to this I think in 2018 or 2019, another female teacher who was abusing her 13-year-old student. The father reported it to the authorities as soon as he discovered the matter by watching the chats on his son's phone and the teacher received 20 years. She was also married, at least she didn't ruin the child's life even more by getting pregnant but it's still so screwed up that no one learned anything from Vili's case and on top of that they turned it into a movie, May December, categorized as a "comedy"
that really It fucking pissed me off
She was not only a 34 year old woman. SHE WAS A 34 YEAR OLD MOTHER.
And wife
With four children
Yep, thought exactly the same 😢
This part!
Exactly!
He does not look happy at all. I like how he wont look at her when she gives him that controling look. i am glad he woke up about her. I seen every thing you seen. I am glad you pointed everything out. I also like how the interviewer was point blank with her. She is constantly switching things around trying to make herself look good. She is narcissistic and controlling.
“What first attracted you to her?”
“I thought she was pretty”
That answer is so simple it’s sad. His entire childhood was stolen. It’s nothing deeper than that.
Oh for sure. I felt that too.
It is a child’s answer. Abuse victims often get stuck emotionally at the age where the abuse started.
Exactly! Well said.
Over the years I've heard people say that he must have loved her because they stayed together.
That bugs me because so many people love their abusers, it doesn't mean there was no abuse.
She was a selfish hussy with zero self control & didn't even love her existing children enough to keep from hurting another child & creating a big mess with a lot of casualties. But her happy ass was just that, happy & didn't give a rats ass about anyone except herself.
So sad for ALL the kids. Poor things.❤
Exactly! He was a young boy. He said in 6th grade they connected on many different things. What? Why would a grown woman connect with a 6th grader? It's completely gross.
It hurts to hear him say “ I don’t want to make myself the victim “
Honey you were the victim !!!
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He was the victim and always was
Many victims dont want to be seen or treated as victims. Thats why we call individuals who went through sexual assault/grooming as survivors, because they're still breathing and living despite the psychological trauma they went or still go through.
I think it helps him cope or heal by not looking at himself that way.
Perpetual victim hood can be a detriment to progression and growth.
He's just so humble and kind that he doesn't want to be the center of attention in this whole debacle. He is completely the victim and I hope one day he does see it if this interview didn't already confirm that for him.
He is not "playing the victim" he IS THE VICTIM!!! The fact that this women was allowed to keep her children is beyond me. The fact that this boys family allowed this to happen and allowed this disgusting women near him when she got out is disgusting.
She only got to be with her victims daughters because he had legal custody not her other four victims of her choices
@@toriladybird511 Her first ex husband got the four also the four didn't wanted nothing to do with her.
I doubt the kid's family allowed it to happen, they probably didn't realise it was actually real until it became a problem. Once the lady was behind bars, after he turns into an adult they cant really do much about it.
@@cookieinfinity4702well, sadly you’re wrong. His mother has actually publicly defended Mary 🫠
@@TheRunawayTradwife Welp, yikes
8 - 12 years old is a literal child, like how can you look at a baby and think he pursues you. It’s a chiiiild, not even a teenager
Her eldest was actually only a year older when she had her & Villey's 1st daughter. I remember how his mother went to bat for her talking about, "My son doesn't feel victimized" Excuse me, what? This lady protected her son's abuser!!
When she started saying " What YOU said." I just got more disgusted. It felt like she was trying to make him a memory that he never had. Like, she always tried to make the situation fit what she wanted and make her look better.
Still, I don't see how that could even make her look better. It just makes her look even more disgusting when she brought this up.
It felt like gaslighting bc it felt like he might have expressed it to her at some point to show how it affected him in retrospect and she used it against him, not saying this is what happened but I could very much see it
She’s caught trying to do that in this interview
24:03 Her “I was just thinking about 80 and a 100 if you wanna know the truth”.
24:43 “We were just, … even when HE said 80 and a 100, and I was like thinking ur so right. I don’t wanna live another day without you either.” 😬😬 She changed the narrative right there to say he said it to use for her advantage defending herself. Don’t get what she means by 80 and a 100 but it’s not the excuse she thinks it is to get with a student. Idk how she thought it sounded any better to change it to him saying it like it doesn’t sound any better from ur 13 year old student!
@@jenicdarling9425 It's in reference to their 20 year age gap. If she lived to be 100, then he would be 80 at that time, and she was basically just reiterating the narrative that they're madly in love and can't live without one another. 😬 Yeah it doesn't make her look better that she apparently couldn't live w/o assaulting a 13 y/o
@@kiingblue Exactly
That interview with his reaction makes me believe ( completely speculation ) that maybe having kids made him realize how young he truly was when this happened to him and while he may not have wanted to confront those feelings, it’s written all over his face.
He probably started realizing some horrible things when his kids turned 12
Totally! I’m sure he is very protective of his children and understands how being an adolescent is a very innocent, vulnerable thing.
Very much this. My child just turned 10 and it made me realise just how f*cked up I was treated by my father (because I remember I was around 10yo and being called a b*tch, a stupid wh*re, told that I “ruined the family”, etc) (though according to my older sisters it had been going on since I was a baby, but I have zero memories before age 10).
Seeing our children reach the age when something bad happened to us can be a “breaking point” of sorts, like finally realising just how bad it actually was - because you know you’d never do/allow that to be done to your own child. And it can make you cut contact with those who had hurt you because you are suddenly so worried that your child will have to go through the same things you did, and you don’t want them to suffer like that.
He stated in an interview later on - after they separated - that when his daughters were 12 he did indeed realize this.
She is implanting memories in his brain in real time. Every time he answers a question she contradicts him or his feelings. He doesn't even remember half of their "relationship" because his brain was literally not fully formed yet at the time. The permanent confusion he must have is incomprehensible.
That and for her to constantly gaslight (before the dumbos get mad it is the LITERAL DEFINITION) him about memories/feelings and constantly invalidate them f’s with someone so hard.
Omg. Yep.
Imagine this man trying to get into another relationship. This woman had stolen this man's ability to have a healthy relationship (without a ton of counseling) with a woman around his age. Terrible.
I bet he never even said ‘I can’t live a day without you’
He is clocked out.
I am seeing him rolling his eyes like wanting her to shut up lol
I've never disrespected a marriage so much. That wasnt even a real marriage, it was a hostage situation.
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Unholy matrimony
I'm loving how this interviewer asks really uncomfortable, direct questions in a completely non-confrontational tone. ''so you met when he was in second grade? :)''
eta: overall i think the interviewer did a good job. he had to balance making a space for Vili to feel comfortable to speak while pinning Mary to the wall which is no easy task, i think.
Yeah, I thought he was brilliant and how subtle his sarcasm was, when asking Mary hard questions
@@BreakofDawnme too, I know Boze wanted him to go harder on Mary and stick up for Villi but I noticed many subtle ways he did just that
if you watch the entire video there comes a point where he and the victim are truly disgusted by her.
Mary Kay is a Predator, Groomer, a Loser (iykyk) and I'm glad that she's no longer with us. She Groomed Vili. She stole his innocence and put her selfish, depraved desires over what was best for him. THIS. IS. NOT. OKAY. I REPEAT: THIS. IS. NOT. OKAY. When people try to frame this case as an epic story of forbidden love or a dream come true for any teenage boy, it makes me sick and makes me Feral. This case was Gross and what makes it worse is that even though she got locked up, she had her claws so deep into Vili that he stayed with her after she got out. She manipulated him and brought innocent children into the world with him just so SHE could be happy. Absolutely repulsive and I'm glad that he severed ties with her before her passing. I hope he's doing well and receiving the mental help that he needs to cope with what happened to him, not just for his sake but for the sake of his kids. This doesn't have to be generational trauma. I really hope it doesn't become that. Mary Kay was a Demon and she's burning where she belongs.
Amen.
Amen.
DAMN STRAIGHT!
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I can’t imagine being one of their kids, must be so surreal and traumatizing to know
I liked the interviewer. He was giving her enough of what she needs to keep talking. He could see he had to play with words for her to keep talking and he could still expose her. Vili didn't need help. Vili was done and left her to fry on camera. He came hard with his questions
Hard but subtle 👏
I would LOOOVEE to know the exact moment he realized he never really liked her. And knew he was a victim.
In my experience it was probably a culmination of smaller realizations that hit you all at once. I had an abuse situation somewhat similar where it was clear pedophilic abuse but because he was the young-er (21, not a child certainly an adult with culpability ) lover boy-esque abuser people turned a blind eye. Over the years I stopped and had moments where I was like "He's gross, and weird, and I don't enjoy when he touches me" but I'd rationalize it and compartmentalize those feelings. One day all of those little thoughts hit me and my world felt like it had shattered. I can only imagine how jarring that would be had I MARRIED and HAD CHILDREN with my abuser. I feel for him.
I think both were born before she was out of jail, before the marriage.
No you wouldn’t- he was probably crying to himself alone. We don’t know how this affected his social circle. He might have only had HER friends and family.
After the nut
I think he was saying it changed for him when his own kid turned 12 and he realized that he was not able to have made those decisions
His facial expressions gave it away throughout the whole interview that man was D O N E
At one point he looked like he was going to cry...
the interviewer is so good how he gained her trust and then destroyed her 😂
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Its honestly refreshing to see an interviewer not back down
I can honestly feel the interviewers disgust and rage and grief wafting off of him.
He’s an Australian reporter. I think it was on sixty minutes Australia and I remember watching it and everyone was talking about it at time as it was creepy
He's such a fantastic interviewer.
he truly was...if you watch the whole video
So,there were 18 kids in the family, so he got no actual attention, so was dying for some love from a mother figure. OMG she’s so disgusting.
From a previous headline “Mary Kay Letourneau Was 'Devastated' When Politician Father Was Caught Fathering Children with former Student: “
(He was a college professor and had a fling with a prior college student. This must have warped her mind.
@@shuffman8094It was her choice not her father’s fault. It’s no excuse for what she did.
@@shuffman8094 🤣😂🤣🐖💨
He literally said that he lived with 4 of his siblings.. but okay.
@jennaeveliina313 5 children and one adult is too much to juggle. People struggle to meet the emotional needs of their children if they are a single parent and have 2 children. Everythng a child is in dire need of + keeping up with run ing a household and doing what needs to be done to keep your job. It is too many children and him running to a teacher at 12 years old, for some affection and attention is not odd at all. The adults in his life failed him and opened up for this predatory lady to abuse him and groom him and trauma bond him to her in this way she did.
I was about to do a psychological breakdown on the different perspectives, because I have studied psychology at university. But it’s too much that goes into this.
Important fact:
They broke up years before she died, but she called him when she got a fatal diagnosis and he dropped everything and cared for her until she died.
So, unfortunately, she had him till her end.
this is insane.
oh no. oh my god this is crushing
Well shit
DAMNIT
This is the most upsetting news I've ever had to know.
If she "didn't know" that (abusing a minor) dating a student was a crime, then why did she tell Villi to "put that idea away"? Was it because she knew it's not ok?
Pedophile rhethoric. She should've been longer in prison.
That's what I was saying . The police officer took it too lightly becoz he is a male . If she was a male she would have gotten 20 years . I wish she got 20 years in prison.
She met him for the first time when he was FIVE YEARS OLD not eight, not twelve, FIVE. She loved to tiptoe around it because she knew it sounded even worse. She was a sick, disgusting, and cruel woman.
Yup, she's a pdfile
That is so wild.
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She was his 2nd grade AND 6th grade teacher
Yes!!! This isn’t as well known but if you do the math, it’s correct. It’s just so so disturbing.
His life was destroyed by his abuser. You can see the sadness in his eyes.
In their Barbara Walters interview he comments that he's surprised he survived his teens because he was suicidal during MK's incarceration
He’s young, has time to turn it around, seemed like he was starting too
By framing him as the one who pursued her, she’s trying to making him complicit and responsible for what happened after. Indefensible behavior by an adult to a child 😞
Oof. She's literally saying "he's the reason I went to prison"
Like wtf
Yet, HE DID PURSUE HER. No framing.
@@candyjohnson3302he was a 12 yr old boy. SHE was the adult,,, SHE knew right from wrong at her big age. SHE couldve said no.. youre kinda exposing yourself here sir
@@angleofcarts self righteous hypocrites have a chip on their shoulder. Sound familiar? Of course not, you don’t see yourself for who you are.
She's a nut. But I don't believe she was an actual pedophile.
Dude she is EXHAUSTING! it bouls my blood to hear her go on and on and on! Poor child! He had no chance with someone so controlling!
This woman deserves hell for what she did to him.
That is where she is.
She's dead so.....
That's where she is now!
When i was in 6th grade i was attracted to one of my teachers who was a grown man married with kids. I actually did try to do things to get his attention and i started crossing lines to the point that if he was an actual predator he would have had the perfect opportunity to abuse me. Thankfully he shut that shit down and made it painfully clear my behavior would not be tolerated. He was so serious and hard on me i was super embarrassed and felt ugly and rejected but the point is I was a kid. I didn't know better. I also couldn't see that my behavior was coming as a result of past abuse which in my case led to early development and hyper sexuality at such a young age. If the adult in my siutation didnt do the right thing it would only have added more and more layers to my trauma. People like this woman make me absolutely sick.
Good story. I wish he had done his rejection with a little more kindness and / or empathy for your sake. But maybe he had to do it like that.
@@JilleneLuce I'm glad he did it that way because knowing myself I would have let my delusion spin it in another way like "he secretly wants to but just cant because of his job"
Thank you for sharing that story. I learned something.
I think most men prefer women their own ages.
I used to work at a club. When I was 18 through 20, most men would be interested in me until they asked my age. And then they would immediately lose interest.
One guy even said "You remind me of my niece" and then he patted me on my shoulders, tipped me $20 and basically shooed me away 😆.
Not rubbed my shoulders. Patted my shoulders like "Good job, champ."
When I turned 21, men actually looked at me like I was a woman.
Verrrrry interesting of you to be so honest about that. I have a similar story and am still just...humiliated by it and it's been 23+ years. I can talk about anything and everything, with anyone who can handle all kinds of conversations. But THAT? That is one of, if not the most, shameful of my secrets. Didn't go through any sort of serious sexual abuse or anything either, I'm not exactly sure why I thought it was appropriate or acceptable to express those feelings towards an adult, a Teacher at that. Ugh. But thank you for your honesty, means a lot.
She targeted a child with a difficult home to turn him into her perfect little husband, sickening, she knew what she was doing.
That’s what most predators do. if you watch any videos on child molesters, they always say they go for the child with the broken home life because they know the parents aren’t paying attention
And I think the reason why he stuck it out with her so long was because he came from a broken home and he had kids with her, he didn't want to break up his family. She totally groomed, manipulated and brain washed him so much that he was forced to stay with her for the kids. This wasn't a trauma bond relationship it was just pure abuse and minuplation from her part and he was her victim
His mother reported it and fought for him.
@@paulan7218or a child was interested in them and that she wore a certain outfit to attract a predator is crazy to me and they where little kids cloths like how crazy
If it was a man who did this to a 12 yr old girl he would have went to jail . She is a phycopath and should be jailed .
she was leaning heavily in on the fact she was taking college classes to minimize the fact that she was a whole adult pursuing a child. "omg we were both students just being friends"
When she talked about the boys looking under her skirt when they were 8, made her so happy. She lit up in a big smile and I interpreted it as pride.
I believe he probably loved her at 13, but he wasn't looking for a girlfriend. I think he was looking for a mother. For stability, somewhere to belong.
Sometimes kids can develop an "attraction" to a stable role model and confuse it with being in love.
Her reaction to 8yr old boys being sexually interested in her tells me that if he showed interest in her, admiring her, she definitely welcomed the attention and fuel the flames into a sexual relationship.
Having been somebody without a good father I actually agree with this. Too many people don't have a good father or a good mother sometimes and that's very true You're looking for a stable role model and misinterpret it I agree. Very good interpretation
She was desperate for male attention and didn't have the maturity or self control to remain professional when children showed niave interest in her. A lot of boys have crushes on their teachers. A moral teacher knows its wrong to act on their interest.
Barf that part was so gross (the story him being 8, and her making a point to let everyone know he was supposedly "attracted" to her even as a kid, as if it was him who started it). We'll see how much more of this I can watch. And I agree as a lost child he probably did fall for her abuse/sense of nurturing at that age.... and she's so manipulative. NGL watching this reminds me of my mom in a way, lol, different form of abuse but just that idea of keeping the kid captive and pretending it's such a great relationship in the public eye, and his eye...zero accountability, mental gymnastics...ugh. And for the longest time I truly believed I did have a 'great' relationship with her, it's like I was brainwashed. So I know how it can happen. When you get old and far enough away from them (and their total control) to look back, it's like ooooh no
And a teacher can dress more conservative for the classroom.
He wasn't in love with her. He had a little crush on his teacher. Than she groomed him by singling him out and giving him special attention. For example signing him up for an art class with her at the community college. You have to understand she was manipulating him the whole time. As a 12/13 year old, he would not understand or perceive how she was orchestrating everything.
she actually met him in second grade, he came back into her class in sixth grade. which is just even more shocking and disgusting.
Yes, she was his teacher twice. Which is why she does such mental gymnastics when talking about when she met him because she is trying to evade the fact that she knew him at 8 yrs old. And in general she plays down the teacher/student relationship when people who knew her noticed she had gave him special attention from the start.
If it was an older guy with a young lady??? She is/was a predator. Where is Chris Hansen? 12..12..12 years of age! She was old enough to be his grandma! That interviewer is cool!I hope this young victim has found true love.❤
Definitely was a pedophile and predator. This was way bigger than any epsiode of Chris Hansen. The trial was in the news every day in every home in america. And she went to jail tor 8 years.. (not long enough in my opinion) ive heard of some men getting less time or no conviction at all.
Even Mary thinks that's wrong. She's completely delusional
I mean, she did go to jail
didnt help clearly@@ends15
Duh
She gaslighted him to the point where he actually doesn’t know what happened.. you can see in his eyes that he has no idea how he got there anymore
For real, Ive seen murder interrogations that were way less creepy than this! Just the facial expressions alone...ugh 🤢
Hearing pedophiles talk is always the worst, they try to act like what they think is normal/ok 🤢😖
Omg her saying "I will live to 100" then dying before 60 is actually AMAZING
I think its Karma
Don't parade ppls death, not that serious.
@@moxiemaxie3543 it is that serious she's disgusting
@@moxiemaxie3543if you’ve never been a victim of this kind of abuse you don’t get to say shit.
@@moxiemaxie3543”not that serious”? You’re joking right? Or Are you just that evil?
Eww! I cannot. She thinks it matters that she wasn’t HIS teacher at that time.
She is so disgusting. She lights up to talk about when he was a child.
I noticed that too. My oldest son is 12 and in the 6th grade and my blood boils just thinking about my son's teacher or ANYONE pursuing my baby
And he looks exhausted dealing with her
She was his teacher in 2nd grade. She met him when he was 8 years old. He was a baby.
She is completely exhausting to listen to and appears to be such a truly awful, self obsessed person. I’m glad she can’t physically and emotionally torture him anymore. I really hope he’s finding healing.
Right? It almost sounds like the grooming started then in 2nd grade, which is why she didn't want to ack owledge she was his teacher. Hiding in the closet so the could look up her skirt when she went past? Idk if that even makes sense because how would they see up a skirt from inside a closet? It sounds more like something she made up and told him that he said it, and she has said it so much that he believed he _did_ say it. It's kinda like how...when you talk about a memory from when you were really young, but it isn't your memory as such because you were too young to remember it, rather it's something your parents told you about and probably other people too, so you internalise it as an event that happened to you andbthat becomes the memory...so it's more a memory of what your parents told you happened than of the actual event. The difference is most people trust their parents memory of events and there are usually photographs attached to the memory...but Mary was a grooming, delusional pdfile.
Even the talk about when he asked how old she was going to be when she died shows she was delulu and twisting the narrative to whatever she wanted to hear because to him he asked hold old she was gonna live to...but to her he was asking about her 100 yo grandmother?! And I bet she did that with prettybmuch every conversation they had (I have heard accounts by male pdfs talking about how this little child looked at them a certain way, or flirted with them, etc, it's the same thing...living in a reality of their own making...it's terrifying). It's like she heard a completely different question. Just like in her mind _he_ was the one who did the pursuing, rather than her having groomed a little boy! Hell, in her mind he wasn't even a child...which is why she didn't like the interviewer specifically calling him a young boy or saying she was his teacher.
Apparently she met him first in kindergarten 😭 thats terrible. Its disgusting predators see children grow and want to pursue them… you legit saw them grow up is that not weird???????
@@chloekhamxoxshe taught his two older siblings they maybe met then when he visired them or class activities
Crazy she tried blaming a 12yo for her actions
I need Sarah Paulson to play her in a dramatization of this story.
Yes her or Jaime Lee Curtis . Even Emily Blunt
29:57 I was groomed by a teacher who I legally married and the way she talks about the fact that she made an “adult” decision to **make this go away** by marrying him is exactly what I went through. Then the way she won’t let him answer about whether staying together was right FOR HIM shows that she’s aware that he’s aware of the REALITY.
I spent 15 years of my adolescence and early adulthood with my abuser, and I don’t know what Villi is going through now, but I’m 43 and I’ve been free for almost a decade and I’m not ok. I’ve since become a doctor and have real relationships and I probably LOOK ok but I’m not.
The reason why he’s being nice to her is partly fear, partly bc he knows his girls are watching, but MOSTLY to keep from going insane. The way he says he loves himself now and he’s built from all his life’s experiences, so he can’t let the fact that this is so horrific get into his mind too deeply.
One of the tragic things of being brought into a very bad situation as a kid is that no matter how old you get, some part of you always feels like YOU are bad. You’re always fighting with a deep down sense that your inherent badness created the hell you’re living, because that part of you didn’t have the opportunity to develop normally past the magical thinking of childhood. I hope he finds peace.
I hope you find healing and have a good life.
Being a sexual victim of an adult is one of the worst things that can happen to a child. I'm so sorry you had to deal with something like that. I hope you know it wasn't Your fault and you can find some peace in this lifetime ❤
Couldn't agree more!! Bless Villi and you too, it's a total mindf@fk but somehow ppl stay strong and persevere and I myself don't know how you do it...but it's great to break away from it all and separate your own life from theirs (the groomer) . I couldn't even begin to imagine it but y'all are much stronger than the average Joe and learned to deal with the hand dealt in childhood👍
@@kes9612 Yes, Bless her. Rae 💚
This made me cry so hard! I was abused as well and your right.That thinking of I was bad and didn’t deserve any better never goes away..
"you cut me off, I was talking about my grandmother"
All her reactions are so weird.
It's like shes a narcissistic alien.
Completely. She's doing her best to distract from the reality that she sexually abused a vulnerable child, but is doing the most clumsy, awkward job of it.
Funny thing is, he did NOT ask about her grandmother in the first place. He asked her how old SHE thought SHE would live.
Narcissistic Alien! Perfect
Well put
I think it was this interview that got him to leave her
Whenever someone tries to defend this kind of relationship, saying I should mind my own business and let them live in peace, I counter with, "Okay, so what about people with Stockholm syndrome? We should just let those victims be manipulated and brainwashed into loving their captors?"
That's not stockholm people get that wrong, that's not what happened in Stockholm. This is just an abuser abusing and emotionally manipulating a child while sexually assaulting him. It's a bind against his will.
Better yet, don't waste your energy trying to reason with them - they'll go back and forth with you all day. Simply call them out for showing zero compassion for victims of abuse. Because at the end of the day, that's exactly what it is. They are busy trying to justify and ignore abuse. I'd say, "I guess we'll have to agree to disagree since we seem to have much different moral standards."
Or alzheimers
Children are literally unable to consent. The conversation already stops there.
I would just say would you say that if it was your own child?
Him saying he was worried about her and only her during the trial made me so sad cause he’s literally a sweetheart and his heart is far too big and open!!!
she is genuinely terrifying and comes off insanely narcissistic to me. she absolutely doesn’t think she did anything wrong and the fact that they got married and stayed together just solidified in her delusional mind that is was all okay and they were truly meant to be together.
i feel like once vili had his children and watched them grow up that he realized what happened to him and how wrong it was. he had his entire childhood and innocence taken from him by someone who he should have been able to trust and should have kept him safe. not to mention all of the publicity and media attention he got as a literal child. i hope that he is able to heal himself and continue being a great father now that he’s free from her
When I was in high school, we had a new art teacher. She was fresh out of college in her early 20s and very pretty.
One of the guys in my class, he was 15, openly hit on her. He would tell her she was beautiful. He would hold signs up in class saying he was in love with her. You know what she did? She shut that shit down. Every. Time.
She didn't laugh. She didn't act coy. She didn't downplay it. She was stern and at times angry, and put him back in line without fail.
Because that is what an adult does. That is what a teacher does. And she was newly an adult and a teacher and she still knew that.
The woman in the video is a monster. There are no excuses.
Amen. The same thing happened with our Science teacher in High school. The girls always flirted with him but he never flirted back and would politely rebuff them
Amen!
EXACTLY. we have a responsibility as adults to recognize horny bs from kids and properly steer them to something healthier. Be a mentor, not a predator.
@@juanpablorobayo3437 Perfectly said 🙌
BRAVO! Thank you!!
The passive agression is off the charts! Its so damn uncomfortable to watch. I really think Villi just realized that he would never be able to get away from being associated with that story or that woman, so he decided to just double-down and commit 100% and ride it out for however long it took. I hope he felt a sense of freedom when she finally passed.
She’s literally insane! I don’t see how she wasn’t committed even at this point.
There’s no way she wasn’t threatening him with blackmail, to take their kids away from him forever, etc etc so I agree, I think he felt trapped
I wonder what villi is doing now with his life?
@@marciatargato8093from what I read he just had another baby.
@@mmmisscaitlinnn - Someone says his mother raised the children until they were adults (but I haven't confirmed it). If so, that could have been a condition he imposed (a trade-off). He was nonetheless involved in their lives and activities.
It was really important to her that Villi explain why he was in the closet because she thinks that demonstrates he wasn’t some “innocent” kid and knew nothing about sex. She thinks in her crazy brain that it mitigates what she did. “I didn’t corrupt him, he was already corrupted!”
She keeps trying to push the narrative that he started it all and it’s so weird. He was a kid bro. If she wasn’t a pedo she would’ve not interacted with him unless it had to pertain to her job.
Yeah, she doesn't care or understand that 12 year olds have crushes and as the adult it was her responsibility to not entertain that crush. Plenty of children have crushes on their teachers, mentors, babysitters, etc. It's part of growing up and discovering themselves.
@@thedarkestkinghtstarbecause adults like this exist it shouldn't be encouraged for children to have crushes on way older and mature people and figures in their lives.
@@Milk-ck1wv I didn't say to encourage it; I said it happens, not the same thing. I remember having a crush on a doctor when I was super young. It wasn't an actual crush but young me thought it was. Not a single adult encouraged it. I did say it was the adult's reasonability to end that crush; not even close to "encourage" it. Children don't know, so how would they know it's wrong? They don't. Also, considering she was found guilty once their "relationship" was discovered it's safe to say the only "adult" that encouraged it was her.
Once upon a time, I was that 12 year old being preyed on by an adult. He was my dad's best friend. When I finally told my mom when I was 14, I didn't fully understand the big fuss. Because when you are a child, you think you're so big and so mature. As a 21 year old now, looking at my 12 and 14 year old cousins, I realize why everyone got all up and arms and why I needed to talk to the police. They are so young, I was so young, watching him recognize that in real time on camera was heartbreaking. He was a little boy from an unstable home and she took advantage of him
Happy your mom made a big fuss.
I knew a girl in middle school (6th grade) who was statutory graped by a school janitor. It was on the news briefly and the other kids were VICIOUS to her. She ended up moving schools because of it even though the poor girl was a victim. I remember her coming to me and saying how special she felt and I had no clue how to deal with it. I still think about her and hope she's doing ok.
I hope she's okay 😢
A girl in my high school was preyed on by one of the music teachers. It started when she was 14. During the “relationship” he and his wife had a baby, and he got the student to babysit. It was discovered on a music department field trip (I don’t know how, but I do know they were seen together on the trip quite a bit, and she was helping him pick out a present for the wife).
After it all hit the fan, he was fired and charged, and had to register as a s** offender. The wife divorced him and took their kid, and he didn’t get visitation. He also can’t work as a teacher, and I believe the student’s parents took out a restraining order.
The saddest part was that the student was out of school for a while after and said it was because she was afraid she would be blamed for him being fired, because he was a popular teacher. Even worse, she wasn’t wrong: there were people who blamed her, at least initially. By the time she returned to school, it had been pretty much made clear that that attitude would not be accepted. I still feel bad for her, though.
I think as an adult he finally understood how much of a monster this woman was. I feel for the guy.
Please lookup her father. He was an ultra conservative politician. Until it was revealed that he had two children out of wedlock with A FORMER STUDENT as well! It’s mind blowing and disgusting. Stranger than fiction.
Whoa
I believe Behind the Bastards just did a podcast on her father.
Yeh but he was only married once! As she so proudly stated smh what pieces of work, her and her father
Pedo Apple didnt fall far from the Pedo tree jfc
And when her father's mistress died. The family put them in an orphanage.
We need to stop supporting the double standards with pedophiles. It's insane how many times people joke about how lucky a boy is in situations with adult women.
Yea this is actually disturbing this women should've been in prison for life
I’m disgusted by people like that and then they say “it was a joke” like you wouldn’t be joking if this was your daughter and a grown ass man
Society does that because of misogyny and it bleeds into everything else. Women are “something” sexual contact happens TO. Far reaching implications. So good luck because it is a whole entire stubborn culture around women’s bodies and autonomy.
Well you need to stop saying that to people that wouldn't joke about it here The only people that joke about it are pedophiles and think that's fine and you're not going to get them to change their mind. I don't know why you say that because plenty of men are not put in jail for anything as well. The amount of women at doing it is much less but plenty of men are put in jail that's the problem with societies because it's like so many children are getting molested and when they put them in jail it's usually for the most part not a long time maybe two years if at all that's why our society keeps getting worse and worse and more things keep happening to children in this way because it's the law that doesn't take it seriously it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman. They're not taking it seriously no matter who's doing it
I also really hoped that he would ask what if one of their daughters had pursued a female teacher. Might not have resulted in pregnancy, but does that teacher also get a free pass in Mary's book?
I don’t know how Villi can even deal with her. She is so delusional and I don’t know how he listens to her and doesn’t think why am I married to this woman?
Maybe he did and that’s why he left her before she died
The fact that she not only did this. BUT GOT PREGNANT BY HIM TWICE WHILE HE WAS A CHILD seriously tells me that she had zero breaks with this relationship. I’m not convinced that he even “initiated” things with her.
Even if he “initiated”, he was a child. No respectable adult would respond to a child having a crush on them.
Initiated? She referred to him looking up her skirt by a 12 year old as ‘making a pass’. That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. She’s is gross. It’s outrageous that she took zero accountability for ‘making passes at him. Which we know she did. I love how he gave verbal queues that he didn’t agree with her. But, I wish he would have called her out on how she made passes at him. But, instead..’. She actually ‘blamed him’. She had such an enormous block of acceptance to what she had done. He left her about a year after this interview. I think when his daughters reached about his age when it happened, he realized how exactly how bad it was. He grew to be a good man. It’s a shame he had to spend so many years under the control of a complete narcissist.
@@shuffman8094go back and listen to that bit again…it’s actually more gross than 12, as if it could get any grosser,…...the closet incident he was actually 8 years old. It was the first time she taught him.
She says she couldn’t remember teaching him at 8 then she craps on about the cupboard incident when he was 8. Let that sink in.
@@Guitarbarella omg
The way he said “I don’t want to talk about it”; he was a little boy and that moment was a freaking ptsd flashback followed by a look of sadness, anger, and disgust 😢
Omg!!! Fantastic observation! And how freaking sad… I hope he and his daughters are doing well
@@michelleharper2940 thanks. I’m autistic and was taught to pay very close attention to people’s facial expressions so I could tell whether or not I was safe. Before therapy taught me about micro expressions I had a lot of people take advantage of my inability to read social cues. I find it exhausting but it still beats getting hurt or offending people. 🤷🏼♀️
Seriously, he just doesn't have this romantic memory of their "relationship" that she wants him to have!
and then she proceeded to railroad his wishes and talk about it anyway. She's gross.
being a survivor of SA that started when I was 10, I can definitely attest to this.. its a real feeling and a complexity of emotion that still haunts me to this day and I'm 40...
It sucks that it probably took him having kids for him to truly understand how little control he had in his life because of her. How vulnerable he actually was and how cruel she was.
32:11 “you’re presuming I pursued it”
YES YOU DID
Even now, you can tell she leads this relationship. She has always been in control and Villi has been the pet, the child, the abused.
LET HIM SPEAK!!! 🗣️
The whole interview, he has the 'kill me now' vibe. He doesn't want to be there, he doesnt want to even sit next to her. I hope he's healing right now and have peace in himself.
As a 27-year-old teacher, once you are a teacher of a student, you will always be a teacher to that student. Just because they are no longer in your classroom, doesn't change that they are like 12!!!!!! Currently gagging listening to her trying to change the wording, trying to make herself look better, and trying to convince them that this situation was okay.
As a 30 year old former student whenever I see old teachers I still view them as my teacher and address them as I did as a student. This whole case just boggles my mind.
Right there with you! I worked with children for years (daycare, tutoring, piano instruction). I could never look at a 12 yr old and think romance.
Agreed! My teacher from third grade saw me six years ago at Whole Foods and she embraced me the exact same way she did back then. I was in my mid 20s!! It was the most wholesome thing. This woman is a predator for sure. A child liking her sexually should’ve been a red flag for her to bring to his parents. If that was true.