The foster mom’s silent crying in the stands, listening to how her baby’s bio parents murdered him is heartbreaking. He should’ve never been given back to those monsters, he was safe and loved so dearly with his foster family.
Broken system. I remember yrs ago there was a case in Ohio that a well known abusive mom got her child back and she later killed that poor baby...if I remember correctly that child was only 3 months old. The system favors women too much even the monstrous ones and that needs to change.
@@YahwehisGodandYeshuaisKingiamr However, Baby Dylan was given to his father. Jessica was not even allowed to be in the same house as Dylan. Daniel Groves was given the baby because CPS didn't do their due diligence and verify that he was still working or that Jessica was out of the house
When my son passed at 2, the funeral director was trying to help us out by telling us there was a new infant coffin that would save us hundreds of dollars. We set an appointment and went in to look at it. The minute we walked in, I said NO. It looked like one of those styrofoam coolers you buy at a convenience store. Mind you, it was obviously not styrofoam, but it just gave me chills thinking my baby boy would be in that for eternity. If I wasn’t going to spend another dollar on him for birthday parties, X-mas presents etc, I was going to blow the wad on him now. I can’t even imagine wrapping him up in plastic and putting him in 2 milk crates. This, so called mother, didn’t even bundle him in a blanket. Why did they even fight for this child? They had absolutely no attachment to him. Poor baby!
I’m sorry for your loss and pray that you and your family are doing well. No father should ever have to bury their children. I can’t imagine how much of a pos you have to be to kill a baby, the grove family definitely seemed like they didn’t care.
I think it was brilliant of Julie to be so outraged on the cross. She essentially told the jury (without actually stating it) that they were right to be outraged. That if a lawyer in a court of law can be that offended by these actions, they can be, too.
Interesting yes, I think she was actually outraged but as an experienced attorney I’m sure she knows better than to react this way as it can be seen as unprofessional. I’m sure she realized early on how this case would depend on the jurors emotions and she allowed herself to express emotions.
@@shineeshome I agree: the outrage was real, but she applied it in a way that helped her connect with the jury rather than lose control and turn them off.
@@shineeshome absolutely it can but I’m sure you can agree that an attorney like Julie is MUCH easier and more entertaining to pay attention to than someone who drones on in a monotone voice. I’m inclined to have my mind wander if I’m not engaged and Julie would keep me, if I were a juror, 100% engaged.
I think part of why she let herself express some outrage was the fact everyone can see Jessica was just repeating the same thing over and over again, I bet even they were getting mad that Jessica kept saying "Nope can't remember but it was accident sob sob boohoo me" You can see when she's cross-examining Jessica that she only starts sounding angry after Jessica starts repeating herself a lot when she makes it clear the court wants to hear something else
My mom worked in the NICU for a while. She says it's very easy to tell when babies are born on substances. They have a certain cry and it's never soothed. They can be clean and fed, loved and cradled but still constantly screech crying & it's a different cry than healthy babies or the other sick babies. Very sad. And she said it's generally very obvious to tell a healthy, coherent woman and an avoidant drug user giving birth. Just got my 90 day coin today.. feeling extra grateful.
That’s wonderful! My mom was an addict when I was born, I don’t have access to my medical history so I don’t know if she was actively using during her pregnancy, but I’ve had my own struggles with drugs and alcohol as well. I’ve been sober since April 2023. It’s a hard journey, but well worth it. Keep it up, girl. I’m wishing you blessings upon blessings ❤️
When referring to the victim in the opening statement she refers to him as "Baby Dylan" not as "Dylan Groves." She consistently reminds the jury that Dylan was a helpless baby and avoids drawing attention to the familial tie by avoiding his last name. This paints him not as "their baby" but "a baby" and shifts sympathy away from the parents and back where it should be onto Baby Dylan. Subtle but impactful.
@@spriggy4382 First of all, while you are right that part of what makes it effective is that it is an appeal to emotion, that is a massive oversimplification of what this tactic achieves. Secondly, this isn't a highschool debate club it's a court room. Emotional manipulation is a huge part of a lawyer's job. If all the lawyers did was stick to facts the jury would be asleep the entire trial. You can wish that humans on a jury were 100% logical beings that just consider the facts without emotion but that's not the real world that lawyers live and work in.
Exactly, as if SHE isn't the reason they were taken. Like, lady even if you loved your kids you clearly love drugs more. And they were right to have been taken away. Dylan should never have left the Bowling's home. They were better parents to him in those few days than Jessica and Daniel ever were.
She seemed like she felt so sorry for herself. The way she said "I have NEVER received support from my family" was another telling line. I think she's in some ways getting off taking the fall for her husband, it just makes her ever the more a helpless victim of a world that's not fair to her.
Its even better when you know that if you go to prison and you harmed children in a certain way. Your chances of walking out are very slim if not impossible
@@pearl7834 In my opinion the nurses had more sense than CPS. They said..naaah..we don't accept your plan of giving this baby back. Dylan should have stayed with that loving foster mom. There should be a new law that states, if your child is born addicted to drugs, you automatically lose all rights of that child because it's attempted murder.
@@Shellygrrl2573 As I do agree CPS isn’t really useful is most cases instead of helping children who need help they go out of their way to ruin somebody’s day for no reason, of course they do save some children but they really need to get some sense knocked into them.
@@Shellygrrl2573 i can’t believe Dylan suffered with LITERAL drug withdrawal and they thought it would be a good idea to give him back to his parents … like what ??
Dude.. imagine how much this shit fucked the poor 14/15 year old up. Not only the knowledge that your parental figures caused the death of your _baby_ sibling, but also being roped into the whole aftermath hell and mess of the court, having to testify... etc. I just wish him all the best and hope that he's adjusting well away from all the addiction, abuse, and trauma, and in a loving and caring environement.
julie actually represented me (the state but for me) in a case back in 2018. she was a phenomenal woman to speak with and i learned so much about her. she’s passionate because she knows. we spent hours crying together over our shared but separate traumas
@@lolo5302I mean this in the best way, she seems like someone who’s house would be full of horse memorabilia… but for real she seems amazing she really gives the impression that she’s actually in the field for justice not recognition or money she’s really inspiring.
Julie cared, stood up, loved and gave Dylan justice as if he was her own son, she made him matter when his parents did none of that. Thank you to Julie, for giving this little soul everything he should have had in life.
@@lilly_hicksngoing case, Lori meets chad, her 2 kids vanish into thin air in late 2019 & she quickly marries chad in Hawaii within weeks of the last sighting of the kids. Early 2020 (pre pandemic) police follow up on reports of the kids not being seen since 2019, they tried to locate the kids and Lori couldn’t provide proof of life for her kids. June 2020 kids bodies are found buried in Chad’s back garden. Lori also continued to collect benefits on behalf of her kids after they were already killed. On top of all that, Chad’s mothers body has also recently been exhumed because it is believed her death may have been under suspicious circumstances.
@lilly Lori Vallow, the Doomsday couple case. Their 2 kids (17 and 13 I believe) went missing for months while Lori and Chad fled to Hawaii ( I think). It came out that they killed the kids.
Also they should get charges for contaminating that well water 🤮🤢 many people that live in the mountains use those for themselves or their livestock. To know that there were potentially people or animals drinking that water, that was exposed to a dead babys decaying body, is so sickening and mentally disturbing
Squirrel died in our well and it took weeks to get the contamination out. Luckily we live near a lot of mountain streams so we had access to clean drinking water.
How can you even be thinking about the quality of water when a baby has been murdered …and then be so crass as to post an emoji! Seriously - that’s sick!
@@practicallyperfect2941hey, the comment might read as a bit insensitive, but they are right. Not only they killed a child, they put other people's health at risk. It is contamination. At it causes people to fall seriously sick. I feel like you really misread the intention of the comment.
@@practicallyperfect2941They’re clearly not discounting the baby’s death. They’re simply adding another potential crime these people committed that can have serious health problems as a direct consequence of the baby’s body being left in a well that multiple people and animals might use for water. As for the emoji, maybe a bit insensitive but I doubt it’s intentionally so.
She’ll never recover from this. A decade form now, she’ll randomly think of that baby and realize he’d be a kid on a soccer team with friends, if only he’d stayed with her.
@@hothotheat3000 anything that kid would have wanted to do is taken from him. the start to his short life was horrible. addicted to drugs from the mother's usage. Scartch that, a monster like that shouldn't be called a mother.
I know watching her cry in the back and I watched when she was answering questions, I can tell she feels like she could have saved this baby, i feel so bad for her🥺
This happened to a foster parent I knew, a coworker of mine. Very similar circumstances. There was just... Nothing to say. The office was just quiet. It was so unspeakably horrible. she was able to adopt two other children later down the line, but obviously.. it's something that you never forget. She was so strong, I still think about it often.
@@kubejunkie It doesn't from what I know. Like maybe you can ask to trade with someone if it has a big psychological impact on you or you're too biased but generally that's why these people are hired. To represent people who either don't have the monetary means or essentially a lost case with slim winning chances.
I've been through opioid withdrawal. It is absolute hell on earth and i can't imagine putting a NEWBORN through that. These people are absolutely disgusting. I had a false positive pregnancy test when i was using and my first thought was ' i can't let this baby suffer, i need to get clean'. I wish baby Dylan would have been given the same treatment
My biggest problem with the whole "I cant remember how it happened" deal is...If she doesnt remember then how is she so certain Daniel didnt have any involvement?
In the wise words of Judge Judy "If a person is telling the truth, then they don't need to remember the exact story". She clearly isn't telling the truth
Exactly what I was thinking. It’s clear there’s 3 possible realities that can’t overlap. Either she clearly does remember and he wasn’t involved, but she’s lying about her memory She does remember and is covering for him and lying about 2 things Or she truly does remember very little, and in that case can not know for sure his involvement. Then is covering for him cause clearly she loved him more then her son.
I 100% believe that Julie is either got a speech communications class or debate class because her public speaking is amazing. Imo lawyers should be required such class for opening statements
I feel like most people who want to be lawyers are already taking those courses and clubs. But you're right in how important public speaking is for that profession.
Oh yea anyone who wants to be a lawyer has multiple classes for speech, communication, and debate… even non lawyers like myself have to take a communications class
In case anyone was wondering it only took 3hrs for jury to make their decision, daniel was found guilty for 10 of the 11 convictions, and jessica was guilty of all 11. Daniel got 47 years to life in prison (he will be 89 before he's eligible for parole) and Jessica got life without the possibility of parole.
I’m still baffled that cps didn’t make sure to verify the husband’s employment before sending the baby back. it was a fatal mistake that cost baby dylan his life 😞
Exactly. And why did they go to the school to talk to the son instead of going to the home? That’s some shady shit and they should be able to accountable.
@@rebecca55371 they don't care. That's all it comes down to. They don't see these children as human beings, just case numbers they need to solve as quickly as possible regardless if the circumstances are dangerous. I'd say the system is broken, but it's working exactly as intended.
@@fawnieeeExactly this. It’s extremely rare for a cps employee to actually care about the kids they’re overlooking. They just view them as nothing more than paperwork like an office employee doing forms all day…
The blonde woman at 1:12:41 is Andrea Bowling, the foster mother of baby Dylan. Her victim impact statement is truly heartbreaking. She loved him so much. At least Dylan felt motherly love from her and justice from Julie.
I feel sorry for Andrea...just the mere notion that CPS got duped so badly by Daniel enough to give custody of Dylan back to him...that will never sit right. Ever.
my god she will feel guilty for her entire life, for sure even though there is nothing she can do when they take Dylan back. the what ifs ad everything
@@hombre6604 I feel so bad for her. Just like you wrote, she'll think about that poor baby boy probably for the rest of her life, but there's nothing she could have done differently to avoid his fate, apart from ridiculousness like committing the crime of kidnapping herself. I hope she's able to get a little bit of comfort by knowing that Dylan had a safe, good home with her and got to experience a mom, even if it didn't last.
Well yeah they're entire defense was predicated on Mercy it's about blaming the drugs instead of the bad decisions that they made and that's the only defense that possible at this point because they both talked and they are totally fucked so they're throwing themselves on the mercy of the jury and the judge and trying to lay as much blame on the drug use as possible
Every time I rewatch this, I wonder why Jessica and Daniel even bothered fighting for their baby. If at the hospital, Dylan was surrendered to child services, they wouldn't be in this position. They clearly didn't care about the baby so why try so hard to keep him
I was abused as a child and also have a family full of addicts who all had their children removed from their care. There are usually 3 main reasons bad parents continue to hold onto children they don’t want… 1. Ego: Losing a child makes them look bad and is a constant reminder that they screwed up 2. Benefits: Some parents will use their children for whatever resources they can get (i.e. Food Stamps, Welfare, Child Support etc.) 3. Possessiveness: Their child is their procession, not an independent autonomous being with their own thoughts and feelings. In other words, “If I can’t have them, then no one can.”
@@justsomeaeroacefurry3479I agree that #2 seems like the most accurate depiction. They probably weren’t financially stable being that they probably blew all their money on drugs.
Some people view kids like pets as well, they love the idea of having them but just the cutest idea of them. They don’t want to deal with, or stay committed to, taking care of them everyday and doing the boring things that aren’t cute or pretty. It’s like a kid who never feeds their pet or takes them out for walks, leave them outside in the rain, but cries and demands that the pet not be taken away from them even if they haven’t even played with the pet in months
@@IronWangCreates yeah like with Diane Downs. She only liked the idea of getting attention when she was pregnant and she liked the idea of motherhood bc it would paint her in a good light. When it came to the actual kids she wanted none of it so she killed them (failed to kill one of them though)
the fact that they dumped baby Dylan's body in a well in the middle of a field and Daniel texted CPS saying Dylan was "growing like a weed" Daniel deserved more than 47 years
WHAT THE FU...?!?! HE LITERALLY SAID THAT?!?! Hope those two fucks go into Genpop, so they can be on the receiving end of the inmates' justice system. They don't tolerate sex offenders or child beaters.
Funny how the mother didn’t cry when hearing the prosecutor’s opening statements about baby Dylan. BUT she starts crying as soon as the defence lawyers talk about “taking responsibility “ …. Absolutely disgusting!!
I get the chills every time I see Prosecutor Julie's "DOES THIS LOOK LIKE PANIC TO YOU?!", brings up the box & goes into detail how much equipment was used to secure the box Baby Dylan was in before he was dumped in a well. Then she hit the final nail or their fate: "This is what they chose for a coffin & burial! And they dumped him in a well". That last bit specifically she sounds very utterly horrified herself
Same! The amount of emotion that Julie puts into this trial is amazing! The way she paints the pictures is vivid and really pulls out the important things such as the create and other equipment. Notice how the defence didn't bring up the create or anything like that? They didn't want the jury to show sympathy for baby Dylan nor did they want to show how horrible these disgusting people truly are.
@@laurabuhrman7006 Julie did a lot of things right. She didn't let her emotions sway her from the facts at hand. Her objective was justice for Baby Dylan
CPS failed this family, failed my family when I was a child, and will continue to ruin famlies for as long as it exists. it needs to change fundamentally.
Exactly, her face is drier than the Sahara. Any grief she feels is for herself, not her child. She's upset about being held responsible for her actions.
53:28 when she looks at the Jury and her crying face warps into a smile because it's so fake. Boze was right, it's like a little kid trying to get out of trouble.
God, the righteous anger that Julie shows is truly awe inspiring. Julie's sheer rage that she had previously thinly veiled is extremely imperative to the outcome of the case, portraying her not as an automaton of the court, but rather a human who feels empathy for the infant who was the true victim. She validates the emotions of the jury, showing them that they can feel empathy for the victim without being completely biased, and the members of the jury crying in the back shows that the message was received.
If these babies and kids had this kind of person to speak up for them the world could be so much better. Absolutely disgusting she tried to say idk, I know drugs can cause you to black out but come on.
Yes, she had to go at this Beast hard, I'm sure she had natural feelings of anger towards this monster but she also strategically had to go at her hard. It was the best. I wanted to grab the monster and throttle her when she kept saying she takes all accountability and it was an accident. WTF I also would have loved it if Julie had said, how do you know it's an accident if you can't remember? You want to take all accountability, you need to prove to the court that you did it and you alone.
The fact that his foster mother is in the audience watching all of this hurts to know. She begged them not to give baby Dylan back to his biological parents. I have a feeling Julie knew she was watching and was speaking for both Dylan and her. RIP Dylan, you were taken far to soon❤️
My wife and I wanted to have children. But never could manage it after 23 years married. It hurts my heart to know a child was gifted to people like these and not us. He would have been loved, alive, healthy, and educated. Loved beyond measure.
It wasn’t “gifted”. All babies in the world are made by women. No one gives them a baby. They destroy their organisms and feel absolutely crazy pain to have the baby. It’s not a gift, it’s a sacrifice and hard work for a woman. Pure biology and animal instinct to have a baby. There’s no higher power that decides who gets the baby and who don’t.
Personal story: During my SA case, we brought it to court and the guy who did it LITERALLYHL HAD A FRIEND RECORD IT. We had CLEAR evidence. The state's defense against it, bc they were trying to blame ME, was I "shouldn't have been dressed so scandalous" (it was prom night, I made my dress I loved it, it was a long sleeve that stopped at about the top of my calf) and the boy who did it wasn't in the wrong bc it was MY fault for apparently leading him on. My attorney showed the video and they still tried to say it was my fault and I was "very clearly consenting". I was not. The boy has life in prison, bc he did the same thing to multiple other women. All underage. I was 16 when this happened. I'm 18 now.
it will never be your fault. you did not deserve it & it’s definitely not bc you wore a certain dress. you deserved better, my love. i’m a stranger, but i love & care for you 💓.
I hope that attorney's bed is filled with bed bugs for the rest of their life. What did your attorney say in your defense? What did the judge say? Ps: I'm terribly sorry this happened to you. You definitely didn't deserve this.
I feel bad for the older brother because not only is there the guilt of not being able to protect your brother from your cracked parents but also being NAMED AFTER your POS father
I can't stand people who name their kids after themselves. Everyone I've met who was named after their dad had a shitty, terrible, narcissistic dad, and had picked up a LOT of those traits. If they're a Jr., it's a red flag at this point
@@zadarasimoleons1019not always. My nephew is definitely a problem child, but my brother isn't a bad dad. My father in law was one of those creepy 'more like a brother than a dad' types, but my husband's oldest brother isn't a bad guy. I didn't want my son to be a Jr, but only because it's friggin confusing when you holler one name and 2-3 people answer. So our son has a different name but the same initials, like a Jr but not a Jr.
I'm a recovering addict (10+yrs sober)and I hit that fork when CPS came to my home. I decided NOBODY was taking my babies from me!! I got clean and kicked all the loser drug addict" friends" out my house!! Best decision I ever made. I love my 2 kids ( now 24 and 18),there was nothing coming in between me being the mother God blessed me to be. Unfortunately not all parents choose their children 😞 Love your videos Booze ❤❤
Bless Julie for caring so deeply. When she pulled out that babys "coffin" you know she was infuriated. I can only imagine how haunting the details and evidence was to go over. Her composure was outstounding, I could never do what she does. The poor baby deserved the world and so much more. I hope hes resting in peace as so many care and hold his story in their hearts. I went through such lengths to make sure I was the healthiest I could be for my daughter. Theres so many parents who lose their children young. These "people" never deserved to reproduce. I hope theyre both in general population with everyone knowing what they did. Thats a hell they more than deserve.
I love the fact that she keeps saying "baby dylan" instead of just "dylan". That way she keeps reminding them that this was literally an infant. Poor thing hope he rests well🙏🏾
I think it was also really interesting because she never says “Dylan groves” but “baby Dylan” seem really seperate from jessica and derick, which makes it easier for you to see the two as seperate things and harder to feel sympathy for those “parents”
She definitely remembers everything. She just knows that admitting what actually happened would get her even more jail time. There were too many injuries for her to have that selective of a memory, but remember hiding her baby's body. I call 🐂💩
A nurse once told me babies ribs are flexible so to break a single rib is nearly impossible to break by accident. I was talking to her about how sometimes before having a baby I thought some things could be accidentally inflicted but now I know after having my daughter that there has to be some real intent behind these injuries in these true crime cases. To break a rib there has to be such violent impact. It's so awful what these children go through I have a list of babies I pray for sometimes. Baby Brianna, baby Sterling and lastly Arthur. These stories are among the most horrific and I often think of baby Dylan. I sadly add him to my prayer list.
It's so true tho. My five month old fell three feet onto concrete face first. He only cried for 30 seconds before he calmed down. He even started laughing at me less than 5 minutes later because I was checking his pupils for dilatation with the flashlight on my phone and he thought I was playing peekaboo. I took him to the ER but he had no bruises, no scrapes, no bumps, nothin. You can accidentally kill a baby. That is 100% true but they are basically made out of rubber and fat. They bounce rather than crack. In order to inflict that level of injury on a baby, someone would need to purposefully hurt them.
@@not-so-obvious_autism777they are fragile in that they have soft spots on their head where their skull doesn't cover their brain. But also they have more cartilage than adults. And they have so much fat. They are more likely to bounce rather than crack.
I love how she doesn't fake cry until the defense starts talking when the prosecutor was saying all the horrible things they did to the baby, she's trying to get sympathy, feeling sorry for herself. Text book narcissist!!!!
You know, the defense lawyer is doing the best he can with what he’s got. It’s really hard to defend someone so disgusting, but his role is pivotal to the integrity of our justice system.
The fact that Dylan went back within a month without a thorough background check is beyond me... I was a foster mom for a few years, and in the majority of cases, the parents didn't have a shot at getting their kids back until 6 months after the first court date.
From my own experience in my part of the world in my country within my area, some of the people there didn't feel qualified for the job. Did a few things that seemed really dumb.
As a person who went through cps as a kid, where I live they don’t tend to step in at all. I was a kid who needed help and I was told I was lying by multiple people, it made me feel insane. Nobody wants to help you because that takes effort, my state has the highest rate of unreported child abuse because when you go to the cops they tell you you’re lying and take you right back to the abusers without even making a report
I did a lot of self harm. Then I got pregnant. I've didn't do anything since then even started dating good men. A child really either completely changes you or you don't change at all
I like how Julie keeps referring to baby Dylan by his name an not just "the baby" or "the body" like some other lawyers may. To remind the jury that this was a person even if they were just a child
I have all the sympathy in the world for addicts. It is a constant struggle to get clean and stay clean. But the minute you bring a child into the world you are not only destroying your own body and mind. I was hooked on pills for years but the second I saw that pink line I knew it was my choice to get clean and stay clean or forever be junkie. I’m now 6 years sober and I can honestly say my daughter saved my life. It’s one thing to mess up your own life with your choices, but to bring a child into it is unthinkable and unforgivable. We made our choices, don’t drag the innocent down too. May your young soul rest in pease baby Dylan
So ture. Fuck up your life all you want, it's yours to burn, but kids are innocent and helpless. Fkn good on ya for kicking the pills, I know it's hard, especially dealing with the symptoms of pregnancy. X
Agree... my dad died due to drugs, his gf, also an addict and 18yrs old, didn't even find out she was pregnant til after thr funeral. It took her a couple of attempts, but she got and stayed clean. She is married, a skilled plasterer and has 2 more, gorgeous kids. I'm SO proud of her.
Julie is VICIOUS and I love it so much. Jessica tries to play dead, sobbing and flopping all over the stand, trying to squirm out of admitting the truth, but Julie has her by the throat and SHE JUST KEEPS SHAKING.
These "parents" make me so sick and angry that I almost want to throw out my own moral/ethical standards and say "throw em to a mob. Let THEM feel the fear and helplessness that baby felt in his short life with them. Let THEIR bodies be put in a box, wrapped in saran wrap and unceremoniously dumped in a well" it may not be ethical or ok, but it would at least come a bit closer to the kind of justice they deserve.
@@khaleesireyna731 _This._ Wonderfully said and perfectly put. Those sorry excuses for "parents" should have left that baby boy with the foster mom, who clearly loved him; instead, they lied and basically conned the baby back for -- what I'm guessing is -- $$$. Your description of justice is the very _least_ they deserve.
I love how Julie refers to dylan as "baby dylan" and not "the victim" or "dylan" it reminds the jury that he was just that. A baby, a helpless poor baby. And a person. It makes it feel that much more personal.
It really shows how much of this was lead by the defense team. She could only answer when they were practically speaking for her, instructing her to just take the blame. Super gross. I wonder how in they were with the husband to be so blatant about buring the wife to save him?
@C L I was practically hollering "how tf is that NOT a leading question???" With the defense. They're practically spoonfeeding her the answers like she's the baby rather than the victim in all of this.
@@khaleesireyna731 For real, and to have two lawyers doubling up on it as well. I don't pity her at all, but it's pretty obvious that they were leading her down the line to spare the husband and I'm so glad the prosecution had Julie on deck because she sussed that out so fast. Both parents deserve the sentences they got.
@C L I wonder if it was so that way one of the parents (in this case, Daniel) would be cleared of guilt and able to take back custody of Daniel Jr. I do not believe for a moment Daniel Sr never hurt that baby. Both parents were high and negligent.
As a mother, I'm disgusted beyond words. I have 2 beautiful daughters. A 7 year old and a 10 month old. I love my babies so much. Just..... HOW can anyone do this to their own children..
It’s beyond heartbreaking to listen to this. My daughter is about to be 2 and no matter how frustrated I get with her I still could NEVER imagine getting to this point.
They’re so very lucky to have you, even if they can’t realise it or say it yet themselves, THANK YOU for giving your babies the love and safety all children deserve ❤
My son is about to turn 1 on the 31st. I cried the first time holding him in the recovery room. It breaks me to hear about supposed "parents" that do this to their own flesh and blood. In a way, it motivates me to be an even better father for my little guy.
I found your videos a few days ago and I'm literally so hooked. You caught my eye with your take on narcissists, after coming out of a really bad relationship last year, and I've just gone down a rabbit hole of watching everything. I appreciate your hot takes and commentary on cases. Like, damn girl.
I have a friend who is a recovered addict. She went through a whole pregnancy with no care, while doing drugs. She informed the hospital because she learned if you tell the hospital, they can help detox the baby safely. Her son was safely detoxed in the hospital while she went through her own in the hospital. Luckily he has no long term effects [he's a toddler now and talking up a storm] Hospitals need to know what drugs were had to give proper care. Yes they will call and you might lose your kids or go to jail, but hospitals need to know.
The most tragic thing is that if she really didn't want to care for Dylan, all she had to do was leave him in the hospital when she was discharged. No questions asked. And he would have been fostered until he could be adopted to a nice couple who actually wanted a baby. RIP Dylan, those people certainly didn't deserve you.
Better yet, Dylan could have stayed right there with Andrea Bowling since it was shown under her care as his foster mother, Dylan suffered drug withdrawals but was otherwise thriving. But no, CPS had to screw it all up and give Dylan back to bio-dad Daniel. FGS...🤦🏾♂🤦🏾♂...and some people wonder why common sense isn't truly common.
@@johnathanpatrick6118 Children Services really dropped the ball here. They let that poor baby down. Dylan never should have been given to his egg and sperm donor, and his siblings should have been removed from their care.
Usually the bio-Mom gets swept up in the oxytocin of childrearing and wants to care for the baby up until its no longer a highly-adoptable baby (when the oxytocin drug tapers off). It's complete selfishness at all fronts.
“You devoured my family,” sounds an awful lot like what my sister said to me because I chose to help my niece, who was allegedly sexually abused by her stepdad. His criminal court case is coming up. But I believe “devour my family” means breaking up her family when it was her.
Please always remember that you are doing the right thing in helping your niece. Too many adults look the other way at abuse (especially when a family member is the abuser). I'm glad you know who REALLY deserves protection and sympathy.
I can't help but laugh, because "I have to live with this for the rest of my life" was the exact same thing my biological sister said when my mother confronted her for graping (remove the g) as a child. Abusers all share a braincell, I swear. You will never hear a genuine 'I'm sorry,' folks.
CPS needs to be destroyed and built back from the ground up. This is a great example of them failing the child and the foster parent, but good parents who are reported by anonymous callers (when it could be a bitter parent, grandparent, family member, etc) get their children taken away and put through this traumatic experience. I almost went through that bullshit as a child because someone took what my mom said WAY out of context as f**king usual. My mom told me that she would go through that hell again if it meant making sure that I was never taken away, no matter if it killed her in the end.
Yep, my friend grew up with 2 abusive alcoholic parents. I personally called the cops on her parents a few times because of either her dad choking her out or her parents beating or threatening her and they didn't do shit. There was finally some justice when I was with her and she drove us to Walmart drunk off her ass and with a water bottle with liquor in it. While inside I snuck away and called the cops and she ended up being arrested for DUI and I even testified against her. And even then she and her younger brother weren't taken out of her custody. It got to the point I had basically accepted that a day may come where I need to kill her parents to protect her because that's was the only way they wouldn't be able to hurt her again. Her mom ended up dying of fluid around her heart and she, while she still is with her dad, they're at her aunt's house where the shit they used to get away with doesn't fly. They're 22 now and I am working with her to get therapy for the trauma she went through growing up.
yea the same thing needs to happen to the foster care system because some of these kids are getting given to the most RANDOM people and they aren't taken care of properly. My great aunt, grandmother, and other great aunt i never want to meet EVER were put in the system after they're mom got caught for neglect and other things like drugs and they were put in another neglectful home.
Sorry for the random reply after 4 months, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone outside of my family acknowledge how CPS takes kids away from loving families. People think they're a good organization that has some bad apples, but the WHOLE of it is bad. My sisters were taken away after an anonymous call while my mom was at the hospital giving birth. There's a lot more to it than that, but it feels like the whole world is blind to how CPS is, and it's very isolating. It's refreshing to see someone speak the truth for once.
@@hypnoticblurI am a victim of DCF. I am not nor have I ever been a drug addict or alcoholic. I did not abuse my kids either. An angry ex-friend called on me and told horrendous lies that got my 3 kids taken. We were homeless and I just needed some help to get in my feet. I was fleeing the kids father who had almost successfully killed me on at least 2 occasions because the police wouldn't do anything to help me. Whenever I called on him, they would threaten to arrest me as a mutual combatant if they took him to jail because I caused injuries to him defending myself. No one tried to protect me from him and even accused me of actually wanting to be with him and lying about it to get money or sympathy. Who would do that? I was not able to get my kids back and I will never be able. There's a lot more I didnt write here. But the point is, DCF is extremely corrupt and even my case workers lied about me to the judge saying I refused l drug tests and worse, when I didn't. I tried everything I could and I still failed. I struggle to this day with depression and su*cidal thoughts because of the trauma.
A very good friend of mine, who has been a mother-figure to me, went through something similar. She use to be a foster mom, & had taken care of this precious baby girl for almost a year I believe. She was talking about adopting her if the parents didn't get her back. Well, despite there being some issues during unsupervised visits DCS still allowed the baby to go back to her biological parents where she died within 1 month from abuse. My friend was so broken-hearted & traumatized by the situation that she immediately stopped being a foster-parent. The system doesn't have too many good ones out there who are in it for the right reasons, but she was! She was an angel to these kids, & they really lost a good one with her!
I would love to be a foster parent one day. I gave my daughter up for adoption when I was younger and since then I’ve always wanted to give back to children in need one day. I wasn’t in a place to provide for my daughter like she deserved, but her adoptive family definitely was. A nice house, an adopted brother, successful parents, family vacations - all things I couldn’t give her. It was the hardest decision of my life. 15 years later, her father and I are still together and about to purchase our first home! We’re in a much better place, and I really want to look into fostering soon. I know good foster parents who aren’t in it for the money are desperately needed.
@@nopenope9118 I say go for it! You will be such a blessing to so many kids, i can see how much you care through just one comment. Im glad to know your daughter is with such a good family, Im a child myself (im not adopted btw) and I rarely go on vacations with my family because we have money problems and every one of us is heavily depressed but we all love eachother. When you feel like your ready to give foster kids a home, i may not be there to cheer you on but ill definitely think of you from time to time and hope your doing well 💕
Taking personal responsibility is pleading guilty and not putting people through a trial, and you don't make excuses for whatever your accessory after the fact did to cover up for you, you take him down with you.
Oh holy shit I didn’t even put it together that she could’ve actually taken accountability without a trial, and the trial alone is more proof that she isn’t actually remorseful
Good point! If a person has the chance to sit there and talk about how responsible and remorseful they are, they aren't. They would've already done so (guilty plea) and we wouldn't know about it! "Claiming" vs "taking" responsibility. Very different things.
I feel terrible for their teenage son, I cannot even fathom how he felt, I imagine he would feel unnecessary guilt and that he could’ve had a younger brother if his parents weren’t terrible people
Julie is a vicious beast she came out with gloves off and went straight for her throat and stood her ground and didn't waiver. I live in Ohio and Julie makes me proud to know we have people like her in our justice system. She did an amazing job and I think her voice for baby Dilon was perfect.
These people should have never been allowed to have a child. This case is disgusting every time, but Julie is the justice we needed, and she did amazing.
such a powerful statement that people often forget. some people truly are not able to provide a child with a safe and stable environment and they don't deserve to have that power of shaping an entirely new human.
This comment is so original. I bet you thought of it all by yourself and you haven't seen it on every single true crime video with a child in it. Good job 👍. Bravo sir/mam.
I have this weird thing. When people are sincere I start to cry with them. When is an act, i don't It just doesn't happen. My eyes are the sahara through all this testimony.
The blonde woman sitting behind julie during the closing arguments in the red and gray sweater whose crying is the foster mom who had him for 12 days after he was born. You could tell in her testimony how loving she was.
I waited for the moment where she pulls that "coffin" out from under her desk and shows it to everyone. It's such a powerful moment the way she lists all the numbers and how much planning was involved when they are trying to write it off as panic. I really respect her for putting that together and bringing it to court with her.
I love when prosecutors aren’t stone faced and jaded. I love when they get angry, have emotion, but are still stern and logical, letting that rage and resentment fuel their conviction. Emotion is what makes us beautiful as human. As long as there’s one person still gobsmacked at atrocities, saying ‘is anyone else LIVID by this!??’ ESPECIALLY, in a position of power, fighting for change, then there’s still hope for us as a society. Julie is an inspiration of the highest caliber.
My god. When lawyers take about the job, they often say its more stoic and less dramatic than in movies. But that closing could easily have been from a courtroom drama. Pitch perfect, showing the raw and genuine emotion and keeping control to get the facts across. I've not seen this before, thanks for putting this up. Great vid
At 1:18:00 you see a close up of some of the people in the stands (can also be seen during the trial). I believe the blond lady was baby Dylan's foster mom. If you go search for her witness statement in this case, it's heartbreaking. She loved that baby, and was willing to do whatever she had to in order to keep him safe, while also respecting his birth parents. She even sent them pictures! I think the only reason they fought for custody was because of some sick power trip and possessiveness over him. They liked the IDEA of having a child, but taking care of them, and realizing that your life is now dedicated to keeping another one safe and healthy, was something they were not ready for. There was 0 love. Just "He BELONGS to me".
It really upset me to write this so proceed with caution. She wanted a punching bag. He couldn't call for help. He couldn't tell anyone how bad it was. He took all her anger and kept all her secrets and had no way to change his situation. Abuse is an addiction to inflicting pain upon someone as a frustration outlet. She didn't love him...she loved the fix she got from taking out her rage on him.
You know parents with low income can get a lot of money from the government. It is the 2nd biggest factor in all of America's worst crime areas. It's not a secret anymore that high crime is directly correlated to the lack of a father in the home. Joe Biden insured that 70% of all black families will never have a dad in the home. Because he gets them arrested for having an ounce of marijuana and put in jail for years. Without 2 parent homes communities get swallowed by crime and addiction. Yet the government INCENTIVISES single mother hood with free money. And the more babies you squeeze out without daddies, the more money DEMOCRATS give you.
this makes me cry. There are so many men and women that are strong, capable parents that want to love and care for children. This woman was a responsible and caring foster parent to an actual *infant*. I weep for her heartbreak.
That baby went through drug withdrawals before he was even a year old, thats sounds so disgusting. Julie did such a good job with this case. Honestly my favourite way to pass time with friends is to listen to these together. Thanks Boze
My now 3 year old daughter had 2 heart surgeries when she was 3 months old. She had to be on some really seriously heavy pain meds and sedatives for a while afterwards. Well, she ended up getting discharged from the hospital about 10 days after the 2nd surgery... We were in the ER with her, at a different hospital, within 12 hours of her discharge because she was in horrific withdrawals. She was immediately readmitted to the different hospital, where she stayed for an additional 2.5 WEEKS so she could be properly tapered off of the narcotics. Yes, they admitted her to the PICU and put her BACK ON the meds so she could be safely tapered. All of that is to say, a baby in withdrawals is VERY obvious to detect, and absolutely heart wrenching to witness. I STILL feel guilty as a mother, that she felt that awful, even for just those 12 hours. By the way, she's a happy, healthy preschooler now!
It's honestly horrible to hear their little cries. When my son was born he was in the nicu and the baby in the room right next to us was born with drugs in his system. Hearing his cries broke me.
I bet this lawyer was sick to his stomach representing these people. I feel for him you can hear it in his voice and Julie’s voice they were fighting emotions. I bet he wished they got the death penalty.
it’s sad since he’s a public defender and he just has to defend them no matter how scummy the person may be and he most likely is there in the first place to help people who can’t afford a lawyer and never wanted to get a client like this.
After watching this I looked up how many kids are unregistered. Your comment about if they would've had him at home got me. I found there are MILLIONS of unregistered kids in the world. That breaks my heart. I can't imagine the horrors one can go through when no one knows you exist
You don't have to look further than the old order Amish to see thousands of unregistered kids. Any of them that leave have to go through the process of getting a birth cert, social security number, all that. It was horrifying to me when I learned that.
Not everyone with a tragic backstory ends up fucked up... but i know you would like that... misery loves company after all... its people like you that makes people think something is wrong with them....
It's so bad. He was 15. He is old enough to remember this forever but so young at the same time... There was nothing he could've done for Dylan I'm afraid :(
What is even more messed up is the foster mom sat through the whole trial and was allowed to give a statement but the grove’s lawyers told the jury to disregard
@@kirashaffer6469 she probably wasn't given the opportunity the US foster care system mostly wants to "reunite" the family it sucks and it gets kids hurt.
The reason she didn’t get to keep the baby is because Daniel had his son urine in a cup so he could lie for his jobs drug test so he appeared clean and responsible
@@kirashaffer6469 she absolutely was not given the opportunity to do so. DSS, CPS whatever the agency is called in your area, does not exist to help the child. It exists to help "the family". The explicit, stated goal of foster care is to house the kids safely until they can reunite the family. Renovation is all the system cares about. Actual social workers are a different story. They're overworked, overwhelmed, and overruled non stop; I don't want anyone to think that this is a dig against them. But the system itself? It sure as hell is not about the safety or well-being of the kids.
@@devent10n I'm in college to become a social worker and this is not far from the truth. Becoming a social worker for CPS or any child services agency is an extremely hard job and the burnout is SO bad that there is an extremely high turnover. The system is just not designed to support those it actually needs to support which is so disheartening
Love the passion the one good lawyer has for baby Dylan...she made me jump when she smashed her hand to describe the abuse that was happening..and listening to her literally took my breath away and braught me to tears. She is gold...thank God for her
15:13 I didn’t work in nursing, but I worked at a daycare that went from when they start walking all the way up to Pre-K. There was a little boy there who was 10 months and the bruises that were on that baby could NOT have been just from him learning to walk. I reported the bruises to my director who got the nurse on site to check him over. They had me sit with the baby while they called CPS because the mom smelled of alcohol when she came to pick him up. She tried to get into the room and the cops were called and she was arrested and CPS took the little boy. I asked about him a few weeks later and they told me they couldn’t give me any info, but that he was safe. That was in the 2014-2015 school year.
The system is so messed up. I’m fostering (about to adopt) a baby who was starved and abused and the mom wants absolutely NOTHING to do with him but the court says we have to give them visitation. She never visits, dad is in jail for abuse of the mom, sexual assault and peeping. She was supposed to go to class to be a parent and go get help for being a drug user but she never did. And the judge said she DESERVES visitation and it makes me so mad. We’ve had him for almost 2 years. His ‘mom’ and ‘grandma’ have both dropped him on purpose Edit: this was 6 months ago. It’s December. I’m a mom🩵. He’s officially 2 and he has my whole heart (he’s had it since I got him). It’s his first actual Christmas as my son and I couldn’t be happier. Thought I would share the good news
I wish you luck. It took my mom (then auntie) FIVE YEARS to officially adopt me after so much money on lawyers, therapy (some of which retraumatized me b/c it was with my birth mom who I should never had had contact with), and struggle against my narcissistic bio mom who was addicted to drugs ect… but it did happen eventually
I have 17 years of sobriety…..I went to AA and did 90 meetings in 90 days and that’s how I got through those first rough months. Then I continued to go to AA for another 13 years, religiously, every week. I was sick and tired of being sick and tired! These parents are just plain evil drug addicts. That poor baby! Julie is now my hero! Wow she is amazing!
I think they are just evil people period. Drugs or no drugs. As an addict, I can tell you I did everything in my power to make sure I never got pregnant because I knew that I was unable to care for a child. Even in the worst of my addiction, I would never have hurt anyone. I still had morals that I would never give up on. They aren't addicts, they're fiends and monsters. They are seriously evil even when stone cold sober.
I'm still struggling with my addiction atm, but it's because of my addiction that I have no sympathy for these two unfeeling ghouls mascarading as humans/parents. 2020, I unexpectedly became pregnant (despite multiple types of birth control, etc.) and even though I was in the worst depths of my addiction, my first thought was about the baby. I almost went into a panicked spiral because I KNEW I was using Oxy consistently, and I was beyond worried I'd already caused my little baby to become addicted with me. I spent hours and hours fighting to figure out how to get clean and how to keep my baby from suffering...I lost my child before I was even finished with my first trimester, and despite the pain of my loss, I couldn't help but feel relieved because it meant they wouldn't have a chance to suffer through addiction because of their unfortunate attachment to me.
I think bringing their addiction into it and calling them "evil drug addicts" actually excuses them of their actions by saying that the drugs played a role in what they did - they didn't. It also is very insulting to any addict to imply that an addict can suddenly just become a murderer and kill a baby. Which is false. Drugs will never make someone violent much less a murderer out of nowhere. They were horrible people and just happened to also be addicts, two separate things. Please don't insult yourself and other addicts by acting like drugs can make someone do anything like this. Plenty of addicts would never hurt a fly, in fact most. These people were evil. Point blank.
For the disassociation topic, I recently found out that I am one of those people that "forget" the bad things I've done. I don't think my childhood was particularly traumatizing or anything, but there is quite a bit that I don't remember, and my memory since then has also been spotty. I didn't think I did things that were annoying or toxic, but my husband kept telling me about selfish things I kept doing. It was the most bazar thing. We both felt gas lit at the same time. Then eventually he got through to me (i think he brought it up during the moment I was being selfish, so I could clearly see how I was acting). I was really eye opening, and I feel a lot of shame about how I acted... which at first made my memory worse, but I had to face things or else be blind forever. Its hard but so far so good. 😊
This actually makes me seriously think about my relationship with my mom. I know she means well, but every time I try setting boundaries or explaining to her how something she's doing is hurtful or bothers me, it's like she visibly zones out and doesn't seem to internalize or act on what I'm saying. It's really frustrating, because I think from her point of view she's perfectly willing to listen and be there for me, and she can tell I'm increasingly sort of numb and dead inside around her, but she genuinely has no idea why. While from my point of view I've been telling her the same things for close to two decades now, and I feel like there's really no point even trying to get through to her anymore -- I can't force her to be what I need, and frankly it's just really painful for me to see myself get tuned out like that.
15:01 the nursery nurses and hospital social workers DID object - not sure if you watched any of their testimony, but they insisted on a plan that did not involve releasing baby to “Dad.” Twelve days after being released to THE MOST LOVING FOSTER MAMA ON THE PLANET (seriously… SHE was that baby’s mama. Not Jessica), CPS decided to let “Dad” have him.
CPS has an unfortunate core idea that children are better off with their biological family. This leads to a lot of dead and abused kids/babies. It’s especially terrible when proven bad parents are chosen over well vetted foster/adoptive parents. The worst part is CPS gets off Scott free every single time their decisions result in awful outcomes for the children they are charged with helping.
@@kissit012 Have you seen the trial? The caseworker’s testimony was INFURIATING. I think she was the only adult who didn’t appear on camera (“only adult” bc the 15 year old son testified, and obviously his guardian didn’t want HIS face shown) - and I understand why. I would have been too chicken$hit too! 😡😡😡
A judge decided to let the sperm donor have him not cps. Cps can't take kids without a judge signing off of it. How are people this ignorant of the system but then blaming the wrong people with their full chest? This is why voting in local elections is important due to judges are elected positions
@@ayajade6683 Fair enough… it WAS ultimately the judge’s decision and that judge bears a lot of responsibility IMO. That said, the judge DOES take CPS’s/GAL’s etc recommendations into consideration. I would be shocked if the workers in THIS case ALL said “Your Honor, the Groves home is NOT SAFE. We recommend assigning Dylan a GAL, we need to see x/y/z results on both parents’ drug tests-including hair follicles, we recommend x/y/z case plan to be court ordered”……… and the judge STILL decides to return Dylan. Plus, not sure if you’ve seen the trial - I have, and the caseworker from CPS was INCREDIBLY negligent during the home visits…. The Law & Crime Network has the entire trial, in relatively short videos with the witnesses in the individual videos. The caseworker’s name I want to say is Patricia Craft… it’s maddening to listen to, and I absolutely believe CPS failed this child. But anyway you ARE correct that the ultimate decision to return him would have been a judge, and CPS therefore is not completely to blame
@@LlamaLlamaMamaJamaac I have I've also looked at the case documents cps did recommend getting hair follicle samples and a reevaluation of the current living arrangement. First one was denied due the laws regarding addicts and requesting drug samples for the court and the reevaluation was in review but on the backlog at the time of his death. Both these documents were thrown out by the prosecutor for not being relevant. CPS can't say a child is unsafe without the documentation even if they suggested it a judge would likely ignore it. While cps isn't blameless in this I'm not going to let idiots who lack a basic understanding of the system get away with misinformation of CPS when they really should look more at the judges.
The prosecutor did such a great job making sure the jury didn’t buy that monster’s crocodile tears. I’m outraged that this child was also let down so hard by the system, and that he was given back when the home situation was far from safe. My heart breaks for his foster mom who knew things weren’t going to be good. We need to do better. My heart also breaks for baby Dylan’s brother, who had to deal with these pieces of garbage for his whole life. I hope he’s doing well.
That guilt of not being able to save your brothers/sisters is something I still live with, in my 30s. It's less guilt now, but it manifests as a hypervigilance - I'm always half listening for the kids in my neighborhood, screaming and crying of any kind gets my adrenaline pumping. Sometimes, I hear them when they're not even there 😣
I am also really sorry for what happened to you. That pain sounds unimaginable. I hope you are able to realise that responsibility was not in you. I hope you can find peace.
I'm sixty now. I don't have children. Neither does my much younger sister. She doesn't have children because I crippled her with my fear. Siblings, babies, and pets are all potential hostages to violence, coercion, and neglect. I am hypervigilant, too. My sister demands that I don't look at her when I'm with her...because I can't NOT look at her just to make sure she is still safe and ...breathing. I've worked with over 200 autistic teens who needed assistance to communicate with friends and family and it has been my pleasure. Sometimes, I hear them...even when they don't have the words or even the language...to make a sound or express how they feel, what they want, or what they need. Perhaps you hear, like me, the voices of the children that others cannot hear. Love to you, always, each and every day.
The fact that the baby was placed in daniels care and he failed to do anything to protect him is why he should get a full sentence for being complacent.
While I have never wanted kids, these people made me physically ill. I can't imagine someone being this much of a monster. Bless Julie for standing up for Dylan.
my auntie's a m*th addict and she had enough sense to stop doing drugs while she was pregnant at least. she started using again after my baby cousin was born and i don't think it would have even crossed her mind to hurt that little boy. my dad caught her high and got emergency custody and she got him back after about 3 months of rehab and 8 months of getting her crap together when he was about 1. little dude is a happy bubbly toddler right now. i don't buy for a single second that daniel didn't hurt baby dylan, mr rolling around on the floor, hell no.
I watched the foster mothers testimony and she absolutely was. Jessica shed tears for herself. That foster mom shed them for baby Dylan. Only in her care did he know the love of a true mother.
My heart breaks for her as much as baby Dylan. Dylan was thriving in her care and never should have been given back to his “parents”. She was the only person in Dylan’s short life that truly gave him the love and care that he needed and deserved.
she may be his foster mother legally, but she was most definitely his mother in actuality. you don’t have to give birth to your child to be a parent, and she was more of a mother to dylan than either of his birth parents. her victim impact statement was heartbreaking, and she spoke about dylan more than herself; because that’s who this trial was about. it was about putting baby dylan’s murderers behind bars, and giving justice for baby dylan’s murder.
Andrea Bowling (the woman in the red shirt at 1:17:57) was my 3rd grade English teacher. She’s such a caring person, and I felt absolutely terrible for her when I heard what happened. I remember they announced Dylan’s birthday on the radio after his death. It was devastating.
Sheesh why tho he died let him rest and not let her have to relive that moment by hearing that I mean that's my opinion I would feel very sad and depressed if I heard about my Child who I thought could've saved but wasn't able to.
Look at those “crocodile tears” when she’s on the stand answering the questions from her attorney. It says a lot when there are ZERO TEARS rolling down her face!
she was definitely affected by this case you can see it even if you don't watch it directly you can hear the rage building in her voice because she's so upset at the details of what these animals did to their own child.. :(
I thought that bit was strange, too. To me, It was really odd that during the description of what had happened to her child there were no tears but as soon as the defence attorney starts talking about a drug problem in their community that's when the tears start. Showed me what she cared about more.
15:00 The hospital can and will hold on to a baby if the mother tests positive of drugs. I worked a case where a baby boy was born with all kinds of medical issues and the mom tested positive for THC and the first 90 days of his life while in NICU his mom visited him only 6 times and the father never visited. He was picked up by a wonderful foster family(who would go on to adopt him) and that is where he stayed until he passed away from natural causes at 9. ( I say natural causes because given all his health issues he wasn't expecting to live past infanthood but he was so loved and taken care of by his foster family that he lived much longer than anyone expected. )
I highly suspect there is more then THC involved. Especially considering they only visited the baby what 6 times? Sounds like more then THC but who knows... People are effed up man.
@@joelwyatt9033 yeah, and that should absolutely be the case. If you are doing any substances while pregnant, legal or not, you don't get custody because you clearly don't care enough about the child. End of discussion.
@@rambbler tell that to my college friend who was born in the nineties to a study on the effects of THC, hemp, and edibles on pregnant women and fetuses 💀💀✌🏽
@@joelwyatt9033 I think it's more important that they didn't even visit him in the NICU tbh. But I'm sure they were heartbroken about their family being split apart lol ..
I remember first hearing about this case from my aunt, she was up all night reading into it and trying to find possible motives or different connections maybe someone missed. (She’s a crime addict) She came across boze covering the case and really enjoyed the commentary, she started binging every one of her videos and now it’s a regular occurrence we watch boze together. She was really happy when she posted this because it’s one of her favorite cases. Thank you boze 🙏 ❤
my aunt and uncle are both foster parents and regularly have had kids of all different ages in and out of their home. their youngest, Lucky (yes his parents named him Lucky) came to them at only 3 days old as an emergency placement because he was born with high levels of meth in his system. 3 DAYS OLD. seeing how parents can do things like that to their kids really opened my eyes to how truly cruel people can be. cases like this absolutely break my heart, NO child should be born with predisposed addiction and other issues from their parent's selfish decisions. some parents truly do not deserve to be parents.
To answer your question around 15:19 boze, yes! My youngest sister was taken from her mother at birth due to a long history of drug abuse, child abuse and child endangerment towards her previous children. She was brought to us at 4 days old due to us already adopting her half sister from the same mother. After 1 year of fostering we were able to adopt her into the family. Both girls are affected by FASD and came put of the womb addicted to drugs. They have some development hurdles but they are safe, happy, healthy and very loved. Thank you to any and all advocates for these children! You are walking guardian angels! I'm devastated that there wasn't the same protection for this poor child 😔❤️
The foster mom’s silent crying in the stands, listening to how her baby’s bio parents murdered him is heartbreaking. He should’ve never been given back to those monsters, he was safe and loved so dearly with his foster family.
She was beyond devastated and it was incredibly painful to watch. I can't imagine her anguish.
Exactly, those are my feelings as well.
Broken system. I remember yrs ago there was a case in Ohio that a well known abusive mom got her child back and she later killed that poor baby...if I remember correctly that child was only 3 months old.
The system favors women too much even the monstrous ones and that needs to change.
@@YahwehisGodandYeshuaisKingiamr if they favor women why didnt the foster mom get the baby? they're both women.
@@YahwehisGodandYeshuaisKingiamr However, Baby Dylan was given to his father. Jessica was not even allowed to be in the same house as Dylan. Daniel Groves was given the baby because CPS didn't do their due diligence and verify that he was still working or that Jessica was out of the house
When my son passed at 2, the funeral director was trying to help us out by telling us there was a new infant coffin that would save us hundreds of dollars. We set an appointment and went in to look at it. The minute we walked in, I said NO. It looked like one of those styrofoam coolers you buy at a convenience store. Mind you, it was obviously not styrofoam, but it just gave me chills thinking my baby boy would be in that for eternity. If I wasn’t going to spend another dollar on him for birthday parties, X-mas presents etc, I was going to blow the wad on him now. I can’t even imagine wrapping him up in plastic and putting him in 2 milk crates. This, so called mother, didn’t even bundle him in a blanket. Why did they even fight for this child? They had absolutely no attachment to him. Poor baby!
I'm sorry for your loss, no parent deserves that. Also I agree, the fact that these two decided to do that with their child's body is sickening
I’m sorry for your loss and pray that you and your family are doing well. No father should ever have to bury their children. I can’t imagine how much of a pos you have to be to kill a baby, the grove family definitely seemed like they didn’t care.
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thank you for sharing slotter king. youre a strong ass mfer
I am so sorry for your loss! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. You make a sad and insightful point! Thank you.
I think it was brilliant of Julie to be so outraged on the cross. She essentially told the jury (without actually stating it) that they were right to be outraged. That if a lawyer in a court of law can be that offended by these actions, they can be, too.
Interesting yes, I think she was actually outraged but as an experienced attorney I’m sure she knows better than to react this way as it can be seen as unprofessional. I’m sure she realized early on how this case would depend on the jurors emotions and she allowed herself to express emotions.
@@shineeshome I agree: the outrage was real, but she applied it in a way that helped her connect with the jury rather than lose control and turn them off.
I’m befuddled that Julie hadn’t lobbed baby Dylan’s crate at Daniel Groves Nose either ..
@@shineeshome absolutely it can but I’m sure you can agree that an attorney like Julie is MUCH easier and more entertaining to pay attention to than someone who drones on in a monotone voice.
I’m inclined to have my mind wander if I’m not engaged and Julie would keep me, if I were a juror, 100% engaged.
I think part of why she let herself express some outrage was the fact everyone can see Jessica was just repeating the same thing over and over again, I bet even they were getting mad that Jessica kept saying "Nope can't remember but it was accident sob sob boohoo me"
You can see when she's cross-examining Jessica that she only starts sounding angry after Jessica starts repeating herself a lot when she makes it clear the court wants to hear something else
My mom worked in the NICU for a while. She says it's very easy to tell when babies are born on substances. They have a certain cry and it's never soothed. They can be clean and fed, loved and cradled but still constantly screech crying & it's a different cry than healthy babies or the other sick babies. Very sad. And she said it's generally very obvious to tell a healthy, coherent woman and an avoidant drug user giving birth. Just got my 90 day coin today.. feeling extra grateful.
Congrats on getting your 90 day coin!
That’s wonderful! My mom was an addict when I was born, I don’t have access to my medical history so I don’t know if she was actively using during her pregnancy, but I’ve had my own struggles with drugs and alcohol as well. I’ve been sober since April 2023. It’s a hard journey, but well worth it. Keep it up, girl. I’m wishing you blessings upon blessings ❤️
I got taken away from my mom cuz I had drugs in my system and my grandfather got me back. Honestly I wish I would’ve been adopted..
My mom said some violently shake.
Congrats on getting clean, I hope you have made it to your one year chip now! ❤
When referring to the victim in the opening statement she refers to him as "Baby Dylan" not as "Dylan Groves." She consistently reminds the jury that Dylan was a helpless baby and avoids drawing attention to the familial tie by avoiding his last name. This paints him not as "their baby" but "a baby" and shifts sympathy away from the parents and back where it should be onto Baby Dylan. Subtle but impactful.
Great observation!
Rest in Peace sweet baby Dylan. 🕯
I hate dirt bag parents like this and CPS
If you took a drink every time the defence named Dylan you'd be very sober. Dehumanising shudders
Yes, it's an appeal to emotion. A typical logical fallacy. I find it manipulative.
@@spriggy4382 First of all, while you are right that part of what makes it effective is that it is an appeal to emotion, that is a massive oversimplification of what this tactic achieves. Secondly, this isn't a highschool debate club it's a court room. Emotional manipulation is a huge part of a lawyer's job. If all the lawyers did was stick to facts the jury would be asleep the entire trial.
You can wish that humans on a jury were 100% logical beings that just consider the facts without emotion but that's not the real world that lawyers live and work in.
Her raising her voice saying "I have to live without my babies" to Julie was SO disgusting. OMG it makes me so mad
Exactly, as if SHE isn't the reason they were taken. Like, lady even if you loved your kids you clearly love drugs more. And they were right to have been taken away. Dylan should never have left the Bowling's home. They were better parents to him in those few days than Jessica and Daniel ever were.
She seemed like she felt so sorry for herself. The way she said "I have NEVER received support from my family" was another telling line. I think she's in some ways getting off taking the fall for her husband, it just makes her ever the more a helpless victim of a world that's not fair to her.
She means "my babies get to live,in spite of me" it's a totally understandable mix up. 😂
It’s truly heartbreaking children suffer because their parents can’t be bothered being parents .
Yeah, join the club. We ALL have to live without baby Dylan. She did that.
It’s awful how a innocent child can be treated as such, I’m glad Julie was able to put them both behind bars.
Its even better when you know that if you go to prison and you harmed children in a certain way. Your chances of walking out are very slim if not impossible
@@darlek_0017 It truly is! I hope they do get what’s coming to them.
@@pearl7834 In my opinion the nurses had more sense than CPS. They said..naaah..we don't accept your plan of giving this baby back. Dylan should have stayed with that loving foster mom. There should be a new law that states, if your child is born addicted to drugs, you automatically lose all rights of that child because it's attempted murder.
@@Shellygrrl2573 As I do agree CPS isn’t really useful is most cases instead of helping children who need help they go out of their way to ruin somebody’s day for no reason, of course they do save some children but they really need to get some sense knocked into them.
@@Shellygrrl2573 i can’t believe Dylan suffered with LITERAL drug withdrawal and they thought it would be a good idea to give him back to his parents … like what ??
Dude.. imagine how much this shit fucked the poor 14/15 year old up. Not only the knowledge that your parental figures caused the death of your _baby_ sibling, but also being roped into the whole aftermath hell and mess of the court, having to testify... etc. I just wish him all the best and hope that he's adjusting well away from all the addiction, abuse, and trauma, and in a loving and caring environement.
That boy has endured his own trauma from these people, I'm sure.
Blessings for this kid man
:((
The fact that someone in the audience was wiping away tears at the end there, but the “mom” was stone faced says it all. Julie, you’re amazing.
Someone else said that is actually the foster mother who had Dylan before they sent him back to those monsters. :(
That would be his actual mother the foster mom they placed him with before Daniel lied about his job and got Dylan back
💯💯💯
When Boze pause the video to talk about rehab, you can see the pure disgust on the face of the man on the jury
@@Brie.s I wish he’d been able to stay with her. 😭😭 That poor woman would’ve been a better mother, hands down.
julie actually represented me (the state but for me) in a case back in 2018. she was a phenomenal woman to speak with and i learned so much about her. she’s passionate because she knows. we spent hours crying together over our shared but separate traumas
also her office is covered in horse memorabilia
@@lolo5302I mean this in the best way, she seems like someone who’s house would be full of horse memorabilia… but for real she seems amazing she really gives the impression that she’s actually in the field for justice not recognition or money she’s really inspiring.
She represented me too for the state during my SA case. Loved her so much and we're still in contact :)
@@unfunnykhoi5913I’m glad you had Julie in your corner during what I assume was a very stressful time in your life, I hope you’re doing well now
i’m so fucking happy you got julie 😭 i wish you well fr
Julie cared, stood up, loved and gave Dylan justice as if he was her own son, she made him matter when his parents did none of that. Thank you to Julie, for giving this little soul everything he should have had in life.
i wish she was the prosecutor for the Lori and Chad trials.
@@trailertrish what's that?
@@trailertrish IKR?? And to think that Lori will not be getting the DP... 😠😠
@@lilly_hicksngoing case, Lori meets chad, her 2 kids vanish into thin air in late 2019 & she quickly marries chad in Hawaii within weeks of the last sighting of the kids. Early 2020 (pre pandemic) police follow up on reports of the kids not being seen since 2019, they tried to locate the kids and Lori couldn’t provide proof of life for her kids. June 2020 kids bodies are found buried in Chad’s back garden. Lori also continued to collect benefits on behalf of her kids after they were already killed. On top of all that, Chad’s mothers body has also recently been exhumed because it is believed her death may have been under suspicious circumstances.
@lilly Lori Vallow, the Doomsday couple case. Their 2 kids (17 and 13 I believe) went missing for months while Lori and Chad fled to Hawaii ( I think). It came out that they killed the kids.
Also they should get charges for contaminating that well water 🤮🤢 many people that live in the mountains use those for themselves or their livestock. To know that there were potentially people or animals drinking that water, that was exposed to a dead babys decaying body, is so sickening and mentally disturbing
Squirrel died in our well and it took weeks to get the contamination out. Luckily we live near a lot of mountain streams so we had access to clean drinking water.
I was thinking that too. All those poor people that were drinking it.🤢
How can you even be thinking about the quality of water when a baby has been murdered …and then be so crass as to post an emoji! Seriously - that’s sick!
@@practicallyperfect2941hey, the comment might read as a bit insensitive, but they are right. Not only they killed a child, they put other people's health at risk. It is contamination. At it causes people to fall seriously sick. I feel like you really misread the intention of the comment.
@@practicallyperfect2941They’re clearly not discounting the baby’s death. They’re simply adding another potential crime these people committed that can have serious health problems as a direct consequence of the baby’s body being left in a well that multiple people and animals might use for water. As for the emoji, maybe a bit insensitive but I doubt it’s intentionally so.
The fact that Julie showed more remorse over a child that wasn't even hers, shows you she is more human than Baby Dylan's parents ever where.
“Parents” more like tormentors
@@perhaps1131more like life givers and take-awayers
I feel so bad for the foster mom in the background. Imagining how she must feel is absolutely gut wrenching
She’ll never recover from this. A decade form now, she’ll randomly think of that baby and realize he’d be a kid on a soccer team with friends, if only he’d stayed with her.
@@hothotheat3000 anything that kid would have wanted to do is taken from him. the start to his short life was horrible. addicted to drugs from the mother's usage. Scartch that, a monster like that shouldn't be called a mother.
I know watching her cry in the back and I watched when she was answering questions, I can tell she feels like she could have saved this baby, i feel so bad for her🥺
This happened to a foster parent I knew, a coworker of mine. Very similar circumstances. There was just... Nothing to say. The office was just quiet. It was so unspeakably horrible. she was able to adopt two other children later down the line, but obviously.. it's something that you never forget. She was so strong, I still think about it often.
Oh I can’t even imagine. This whole thing is just terrible.
Let’s remember that public defenders are a necessity and not clown too hard on this man with an impossible case.
She said that multiple times on this video
Absolutely! Without a defender the perpetrators can't be prosecuted.
Everyone, no matter how heinous, at least deserves one person willing to be on their side.
Honestly a round of applause for that man. He tried his best with what he had.
@@kubejunkie It doesn't from what I know. Like maybe you can ask to trade with someone if it has a big psychological impact on you or you're too biased but generally that's why these people are hired. To represent people who either don't have the monetary means or essentially a lost case with slim winning chances.
I've been through opioid withdrawal. It is absolute hell on earth and i can't imagine putting a NEWBORN through that. These people are absolutely disgusting. I had a false positive pregnancy test when i was using and my first thought was ' i can't let this baby suffer, i need to get clean'. I wish baby Dylan would have been given the same treatment
I’ve never experienced withdrawals but god, it’s all I could think about. a baby going through withdrawals. he didn’t deserve any of it
Your a strong willed person to recognise the need to come clean, best of luck for the furture
My biggest problem with the whole "I cant remember how it happened" deal is...If she doesnt remember then how is she so certain Daniel didnt have any involvement?
In the wise words of Judge Judy "If a person is telling the truth, then they don't need to remember the exact story".
She clearly isn't telling the truth
Exactly.
Exactly what I was thinking.
It’s clear there’s 3 possible realities that can’t overlap.
Either she clearly does remember and he wasn’t involved, but she’s lying about her memory
She does remember and is covering for him and lying about 2 things
Or she truly does remember very little, and in that case can not know for sure his involvement. Then is covering for him cause clearly she loved him more then her son.
And also, how would you not remember doing something that heinous? It doesn't make them look any better when they say that.
@paolaadames8028 "if you tell the truth, you don't have to have a good memory"!
I 100% believe that Julie is either got a speech communications class or debate class because her public speaking is amazing. Imo lawyers should be required such class for opening statements
I feel like most people who want to be lawyers are already taking those courses and clubs. But you're right in how important public speaking is for that profession.
They are required courses
Oh yea anyone who wants to be a lawyer has multiple classes for speech, communication, and debate… even non lawyers like myself have to take a communications class
Yup! You will find a lot of former speech and theatre kids in HS later became lawyers or other jobs that require good communication skills.
Part of a social studies degree
In case anyone was wondering it only took 3hrs for jury to make their decision, daniel was found guilty for 10 of the 11 convictions, and jessica was guilty of all 11. Daniel got 47 years to life in prison (he will be 89 before he's eligible for parole) and Jessica got life without the possibility of parole.
Thank you!!! I was scrolling through the comments to see if anyone knew the outcome. So happy both of them were held accountable
@derpydinodragon1072 no problem
FUCK YES!! THANK YOU
Good work, Julie. She hammered on that legal definition like she was Lady Thor.
I don't think neither of them are making it past 50, if you mess with a kid you're dead in jail if you're not separated from the other inmates
I’m still baffled that cps didn’t make sure to verify the husband’s employment before sending the baby back. it was a fatal mistake that cost baby dylan his life 😞
Exactly. And why did they go to the school to talk to the son instead of going to the home?
That’s some shady shit and they should be able to accountable.
@@rebecca55371 they don't care. That's all it comes down to. They don't see these children as human beings, just case numbers they need to solve as quickly as possible regardless if the circumstances are dangerous. I'd say the system is broken, but it's working exactly as intended.
I understand that CPS often wants to "reunite" families but if a child was taken away there was probably a good reason for that.
@@fawnieeeExactly this. It’s extremely rare for a cps employee to actually care about the kids they’re overlooking. They just view them as nothing more than paperwork like an office employee doing forms all day…
The blonde woman at 1:12:41 is Andrea Bowling, the foster mother of baby Dylan. Her victim impact statement is truly heartbreaking. She loved him so much. At least Dylan felt motherly love from her and justice from Julie.
I feel sorry for Andrea...just the mere notion that CPS got duped so badly by Daniel enough to give custody of Dylan back to him...that will never sit right. Ever.
my god she will feel guilty for her entire life, for sure even though there is nothing she can do when they take Dylan back. the what ifs ad everything
@@hombre6604 I feel so bad for her. Just like you wrote, she'll think about that poor baby boy probably for the rest of her life, but there's nothing she could have done differently to avoid his fate, apart from ridiculousness like committing the crime of kidnapping herself. I hope she's able to get a little bit of comfort by knowing that Dylan had a safe, good home with her and got to experience a mom, even if it didn't last.
@@ichmeiner4531
She gave him all the love he deserved & it is so sad she did not get to foster him further or adopt him
It's so beyond tragic
The fact that the defense was SO focused on the drug problem proves that everyone was well aware how guilty they were
Do you mean the two defensive council lawyers? Julie's the prosecution
@@meganrenfro1704 yeah that’s what I meant. Thanks lol
Well yeah they're entire defense was predicated on Mercy it's about blaming the drugs instead of the bad decisions that they made and that's the only defense that possible at this point because they both talked and they are totally fucked so they're throwing themselves on the mercy of the jury and the judge and trying to lay as much blame on the drug use as possible
Every time I rewatch this, I wonder why Jessica and Daniel even bothered fighting for their baby. If at the hospital, Dylan was surrendered to child services, they wouldn't be in this position. They clearly didn't care about the baby so why try so hard to keep him
I was abused as a child and also have a family full of addicts who all had their children removed from their care. There are usually 3 main reasons bad parents continue to hold onto children they don’t want…
1. Ego: Losing a child makes them look bad and is a constant reminder that they screwed up
2. Benefits: Some parents will use their children for whatever resources they can get (i.e. Food Stamps, Welfare, Child Support etc.)
3. Possessiveness: Their child is their procession, not an independent autonomous being with their own thoughts and feelings. In other words, “If I can’t have them, then no one can.”
@@Im_here411#2 sounds like the most logical
@@justsomeaeroacefurry3479I agree that #2 seems like the most accurate depiction. They probably weren’t financially stable being that they probably blew all their money on drugs.
Some people view kids like pets as well, they love the idea of having them but just the cutest idea of them. They don’t want to deal with, or stay committed to, taking care of them everyday and doing the boring things that aren’t cute or pretty.
It’s like a kid who never feeds their pet or takes them out for walks, leave them outside in the rain, but cries and demands that the pet not be taken away from them even if they haven’t even played with the pet in months
@@IronWangCreates yeah like with Diane Downs. She only liked the idea of getting attention when she was pregnant and she liked the idea of motherhood bc it would paint her in a good light. When it came to the actual kids she wanted none of it so she killed them (failed to kill one of them though)
the fact that they dumped baby Dylan's body in a well in the middle of a field and Daniel texted CPS saying Dylan was "growing like a weed"
Daniel deserved more than 47 years
WHAT THE FU...?!?!
HE LITERALLY SAID THAT?!?!
Hope those two fucks go into Genpop, so they can be on the receiving end of the inmates' justice system. They don't tolerate sex offenders or child beaters.
OH FUCK HIM I WANT TO REALLY BURN THR WORLD DOWN SOMETIMES!
Strange choice of words , even he wasn't lying which he was ,is that a American saying?
@@Kellz82-p7p yeah its a pretty common saying it basically means they are growing up very fast
He absolutely did. But he looks like he's in his 30s or 40s already AT LEAST! If we're lucky, that damned bastard dies before he gets out.
Funny how the mother didn’t cry when hearing the prosecutor’s opening statements about baby Dylan. BUT she starts crying as soon as the defence lawyers talk about “taking responsibility “ …. Absolutely disgusting!!
i hate people who only feel for themselves. "I did something bad, but I feel bad for ME not YOU"
I get the chills every time I see Prosecutor Julie's "DOES THIS LOOK LIKE PANIC TO YOU?!", brings up the box & goes into detail how much equipment was used to secure the box Baby Dylan was in before he was dumped in a well. Then she hit the final nail or their fate: "This is what they chose for a coffin & burial! And they dumped him in a well". That last bit specifically she sounds very utterly horrified herself
Same! The amount of emotion that Julie puts into this trial is amazing! The way she paints the pictures is vivid and really pulls out the important things such as the create and other equipment. Notice how the defence didn't bring up the create or anything like that? They didn't want the jury to show sympathy for baby Dylan nor did they want to show how horrible these disgusting people truly are.
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@@laurabuhrman7006 Julie did a lot of things right. She didn't let her emotions sway her from the facts at hand. Her objective was justice for Baby Dylan
CPS failed this family, failed my family when I was a child, and will continue to ruin famlies for as long as it exists. it needs to change fundamentally.
Say it louder for those in the back!
We should all get matching jackets 😂
Notice how Jessica’s trying so hard to sound and look like she’s crying, but there are 0 tears on her face the entire time.
its giving me Amber Heard vibes, literally ppl who can't feel empathy/sympathy at all
Exactly, her face is drier than the Sahara. Any grief she feels is for herself, not her child. She's upset about being held responsible for her actions.
@@rinrawrchu I couldn't decide which was the worse actress out of her & AH. It's a tough call.
Right?! Amber Heard vibes.
53:28 when she looks at the Jury and her crying face warps into a smile because it's so fake. Boze was right, it's like a little kid trying to get out of trouble.
God, the righteous anger that Julie shows is truly awe inspiring. Julie's sheer rage that she had previously thinly veiled is extremely imperative to the outcome of the case, portraying her not as an automaton of the court, but rather a human who feels empathy for the infant who was the true victim. She validates the emotions of the jury, showing them that they can feel empathy for the victim without being completely biased, and the members of the jury crying in the back shows that the message was received.
If these babies and kids had this kind of person to speak up for them the world could be so much better.
Absolutely disgusting she tried to say idk, I know drugs can cause you to black out but come on.
Yes, she had to go at this Beast hard, I'm sure she had natural feelings of anger towards this monster but she also strategically had to go at her hard. It was the best.
I wanted to grab the monster and throttle her when she kept saying she takes all accountability and it was an accident. WTF
I also would have loved it if Julie had said, how do you know it's an accident if you can't remember? You want to take all accountability, you need to prove to the court that you did it and you alone.
The fact that his foster mother is in the audience watching all of this hurts to know. She begged them not to give baby Dylan back to his biological parents. I have a feeling Julie knew she was watching and was speaking for both Dylan and her. RIP Dylan, you were taken far to soon❤️
oooo I didnt know she was there! Poor woman
My wife and I wanted to have children. But never could manage it after 23 years married.
It hurts my heart to know a child was gifted to people like these and not us. He would have been loved, alive, healthy, and educated. Loved beyond measure.
There's always babies with no one, who could use a parent like you
Please consider fostering and/or adoption.
I'm sorry you never got the bio child you wanted.
It wasn’t “gifted”. All babies in the world are made by women. No one gives them a baby. They destroy their organisms and feel absolutely crazy pain to have the baby. It’s not a gift, it’s a sacrifice and hard work for a woman. Pure biology and animal instinct to have a baby. There’s no higher power that decides who gets the baby and who don’t.
Personal story:
During my SA case, we brought it to court and the guy who did it LITERALLYHL HAD A FRIEND RECORD IT. We had CLEAR evidence. The state's defense against it, bc they were trying to blame ME, was I "shouldn't have been dressed so scandalous" (it was prom night, I made my dress I loved it, it was a long sleeve that stopped at about the top of my calf) and the boy who did it wasn't in the wrong bc it was MY fault for apparently leading him on. My attorney showed the video and they still tried to say it was my fault and I was "very clearly consenting". I was not. The boy has life in prison, bc he did the same thing to multiple other women. All underage. I was 16 when this happened. I'm 18 now.
I'm very sorry that happened to you, I'm sure your dress was lovely
I'm sorry this had happened to you, it's not something anyone should ever experience, just know you're very brave girl for this 💞💞
it will never be your fault. you did not deserve it & it’s definitely not bc you wore a certain dress. you deserved better, my love.
i’m a stranger, but i love & care for you 💓.
I hope that attorney's bed is filled with bed bugs for the rest of their life.
What did your attorney say in your defense? What did the judge say?
Ps: I'm terribly sorry this happened to you. You definitely didn't deserve this.
i’m so sorry that happened to you. i’m sending you love
I feel bad for the older brother because not only is there the guilt of not being able to protect your brother from your cracked parents but also being NAMED AFTER your POS father
I wouldn't be surprised if he changes his name at point
Lost his entire family because of his parents actions.
I can't stand people who name their kids after themselves. Everyone I've met who was named after their dad had a shitty, terrible, narcissistic dad, and had picked up a LOT of those traits. If they're a Jr., it's a red flag at this point
@@zadarasimoleons1019not always. My nephew is definitely a problem child, but my brother isn't a bad dad. My father in law was one of those creepy 'more like a brother than a dad' types, but my husband's oldest brother isn't a bad guy. I didn't want my son to be a Jr, but only because it's friggin confusing when you holler one name and 2-3 people answer. So our son has a different name but the same initials, like a Jr but not a Jr.
@@zadarasimoleons1019 You sound like a whole red flag.
I'm a recovering addict (10+yrs sober)and I hit that fork when CPS came to my home. I decided NOBODY was taking my babies from me!! I got clean and kicked all the loser drug addict" friends" out my house!! Best decision I ever made. I love my 2 kids ( now 24 and 18),there was nothing coming in between me being the mother God blessed me to be. Unfortunately not all parents choose their children 😞
Love your videos Booze ❤❤
Respect to you ma'am!! Thank you for choosing your children
I'm so proud of you, you are truly an amazing person.
congrats on your recovery lovely, you did the right thing for your babies and im so happy you got to watch those kiddos grow up ❤❤❤
10 years is incredible! I wish you and your family all the best! Here’s to 10 more years❤️
your a great mother for quitting and caring for your kids
Bless Julie for caring so deeply. When she pulled out that babys "coffin" you know she was infuriated. I can only imagine how haunting the details and evidence was to go over. Her composure was outstounding, I could never do what she does.
The poor baby deserved the world and so much more. I hope hes resting in peace as so many care and hold his story in their hearts.
I went through such lengths to make sure I was the healthiest I could be for my daughter. Theres so many parents who lose their children young. These "people" never deserved to reproduce. I hope theyre both in general population with everyone knowing what they did. Thats a hell they more than deserve.
I love the fact that she keeps saying "baby dylan" instead of just "dylan". That way she keeps reminding them that this was literally an infant. Poor thing hope he rests well🙏🏾
I think it was also really interesting because she never says “Dylan groves” but “baby Dylan” seem really seperate from jessica and derick, which makes it easier for you to see the two as seperate things and harder to feel sympathy for those “parents”
She definitely remembers everything. She just knows that admitting what actually happened would get her even more jail time. There were too many injuries for her to have that selective of a memory, but remember hiding her baby's body. I call 🐂💩
I believe at this point the world calls BS on her. I truly hope her world is being shook with multiple fists upon her face in prison
A nurse once told me babies ribs are flexible so to break a single rib is nearly impossible to break by accident. I was talking to her about how sometimes before having a baby I thought some things could be accidentally inflicted but now I know after having my daughter that there has to be some real intent behind these injuries in these true crime cases. To break a rib there has to be such violent impact. It's so awful what these children go through I have a list of babies I pray for sometimes. Baby Brianna, baby Sterling and lastly Arthur. These stories are among the most horrific and I often think of baby Dylan. I sadly add him to my prayer list.
Wow who knew babies were so frail yet so durable at the same time 😶😶
It's so true tho. My five month old fell three feet onto concrete face first. He only cried for 30 seconds before he calmed down. He even started laughing at me less than 5 minutes later because I was checking his pupils for dilatation with the flashlight on my phone and he thought I was playing peekaboo. I took him to the ER but he had no bruises, no scrapes, no bumps, nothin. You can accidentally kill a baby. That is 100% true but they are basically made out of rubber and fat. They bounce rather than crack. In order to inflict that level of injury on a baby, someone would need to purposefully hurt them.
@@not-so-obvious_autism777they are fragile in that they have soft spots on their head where their skull doesn't cover their brain. But also they have more cartilage than adults. And they have so much fat. They are more likely to bounce rather than crack.
@@tessajohnson8351 that’s why I said soft yet durable
Nice fun fact 👍🏽✨
Baby Peter as well 😢
I love how she doesn't fake cry until the defense starts talking when the prosecutor was saying all the horrible things they did to the baby, she's trying to get sympathy, feeling sorry for herself. Text book narcissist!!!!
Its scary how Jessica goes from being "sad" and "crying" but also stopping suddenly to be mad or sassy at random times,really unhinged
It's because she's not crying at all.
@@GilesHellier True,its just really bizzare to watch
She let the mask slip, the video recordings of her in jail showed more of this.
She was pretty much crying because she was sorry she got caught good witness to both of them
Crying without tears
You know, the defense lawyer is doing the best he can with what he’s got. It’s really hard to defend someone so disgusting, but his role is pivotal to the integrity of our justice system.
she literally said that in the video bruh
Not just that, but if he does a bad job, they will go free. They HAVE to fight. But sometimes you can see, they're just going through the motions..
nah fr u could tell bro was ready to go home
Boooo!
The fact that Dylan went back within a month without a thorough background check is beyond me... I was a foster mom for a few years, and in the majority of cases, the parents didn't have a shot at getting their kids back until 6 months after the first court date.
From my own experience in my part of the world in my country within my area, some of the people there didn't feel qualified for the job. Did a few things that seemed really dumb.
As a person who went through cps as a kid, where I live they don’t tend to step in at all. I was a kid who needed help and I was told I was lying by multiple people, it made me feel insane. Nobody wants to help you because that takes effort, my state has the highest rate of unreported child abuse because when you go to the cops they tell you you’re lying and take you right back to the abusers without even making a report
If you can even get cps to care, they just take you away for a week and say they’ll do monthly check-ins and then never come back
They may have killed him, but CPS failed him.
it *is* Ohio.
I did a lot of self harm. Then I got pregnant. I've didn't do anything since then even started dating good men. A child really either completely changes you or you don't change at all
I like how Julie keeps referring to baby Dylan by his name an not just "the baby" or "the body" like some other lawyers may. To remind the jury that this was a person even if they were just a child
And not even just "Dylan". She made sure to include "baby" at the front of it to really drive the point home. Baby Dylan was just a baby 😢
Agreed, you felt connected to the baby because you felt like you knew him, you know? I would‘ve voted guilty she did an amazing job
I have all the sympathy in the world for addicts. It is a constant struggle to get clean and stay clean. But the minute you bring a child into the world you are not only destroying your own body and mind. I was hooked on pills for years but the second I saw that pink line I knew it was my choice to get clean and stay clean or forever be junkie. I’m now 6 years sober and I can honestly say my daughter saved my life. It’s one thing to mess up your own life with your choices, but to bring a child into it is unthinkable and unforgivable. We made our choices, don’t drag the innocent down too. May your young soul rest in pease baby Dylan
Well done that can't of been easy! You should be so proud of yourself, I know you don't know me but I'm proud of you too 😊
So ture. Fuck up your life all you want, it's yours to burn, but kids are innocent and helpless. Fkn good on ya for kicking the pills, I know it's hard, especially dealing with the symptoms of pregnancy. X
You should definitely be proud of yourself for staying sober!
I'm so proud of you for choosing your baby girl and getting clean! 💖
Agree... my dad died due to drugs, his gf, also an addict and 18yrs old, didn't even find out she was pregnant til after thr funeral. It took her a couple of attempts, but she got and stayed clean. She is married, a skilled plasterer and has 2 more, gorgeous kids. I'm SO proud of her.
The amount of times you can rewatch boze’s videos without being bored is insane
Same here!!
Right???
Seriously, I watched that earlier Julie video at least 7 times 😭❤
yes 😂 i love herrrrr!! she’s incredibly intelligent and also makes me laugh endlessly at work 😂
ikr!!!
Julie is VICIOUS and I love it so much. Jessica tries to play dead, sobbing and flopping all over the stand, trying to squirm out of admitting the truth, but Julie has her by the throat and SHE JUST KEEPS SHAKING.
These "parents" make me so sick and angry that I almost want to throw out my own moral/ethical standards and say "throw em to a mob. Let THEM feel the fear and helplessness that baby felt in his short life with them. Let THEIR bodies be put in a box, wrapped in saran wrap and unceremoniously dumped in a well" it may not be ethical or ok, but it would at least come a bit closer to the kind of justice they deserve.
@@khaleesireyna731 _This._ Wonderfully said and perfectly put. Those sorry excuses for "parents" should have left that baby boy with the foster mom, who clearly loved him; instead, they lied and basically conned the baby back for -- what I'm guessing is -- $$$. Your description of justice is the very _least_ they deserve.
@@khaleesireyna731 !!! 100% YES
Idk how much I like the “shaking by the throat” line… makes me imagine what happened to Baby Dylan 😿
It's play victim
Lmfao the defense was like "yes..... They did all those things ..yes it was terrible....but like what if they didnt go to prison?"🥺👉👈
I didn’t do it 😢
Then who did?
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Really off topic but if that's you in ur pfp ur really pretty! ❤
I love how Julie refers to dylan as "baby dylan" and not "the victim" or "dylan" it reminds the jury that he was just that. A baby, a helpless poor baby. And a person. It makes it feel that much more personal.
She is BAD at lying... she's trying to lie to the court, and lie to herself. The only time she's honest is when she's snapping at the prosecutor.
It really shows how much of this was lead by the defense team. She could only answer when they were practically speaking for her, instructing her to just take the blame. Super gross. I wonder how in they were with the husband to be so blatant about buring the wife to save him?
@C L I was practically hollering "how tf is that NOT a leading question???" With the defense. They're practically spoonfeeding her the answers like she's the baby rather than the victim in all of this.
@@khaleesireyna731 For real, and to have two lawyers doubling up on it as well. I don't pity her at all, but it's pretty obvious that they were leading her down the line to spare the husband and I'm so glad the prosecution had Julie on deck because she sussed that out so fast. Both parents deserve the sentences they got.
@C L I wonder if it was so that way one of the parents (in this case, Daniel) would be cleared of guilt and able to take back custody of Daniel Jr. I do not believe for a moment Daniel Sr never hurt that baby. Both parents were high and negligent.
@@CL-lx2pm yep, they BOTH abused and neglected that sweet baby boy.
As a mother, I'm disgusted beyond words. I have 2 beautiful daughters. A 7 year old and a 10 month old. I love my babies so much. Just..... HOW can anyone do this to their own children..
It’s beyond heartbreaking to listen to this. My daughter is about to be 2 and no matter how frustrated I get with her I still could NEVER imagine getting to this point.
They’re so very lucky to have you, even if they can’t realise it or say it yet themselves, THANK YOU for giving your babies the love and safety all children deserve ❤
And even if they didnt love the kids, hurting a living creature (who cant defend themselves) is so horrible, doing this shxt is beyond evil
It’s called addiction. It’s destroying an entire generation of US citizens .
My son is about to turn 1 on the 31st. I cried the first time holding him in the recovery room. It breaks me to hear about supposed "parents" that do this to their own flesh and blood. In a way, it motivates me to be an even better father for my little guy.
I found your videos a few days ago and I'm literally so hooked. You caught my eye with your take on narcissists, after coming out of a really bad relationship last year, and I've just gone down a rabbit hole of watching everything. I appreciate your hot takes and commentary on cases. Like, damn girl.
I have a friend who is a recovered addict. She went through a whole pregnancy with no care, while doing drugs. She informed the hospital because she learned if you tell the hospital, they can help detox the baby safely. Her son was safely detoxed in the hospital while she went through her own in the hospital. Luckily he has no long term effects [he's a toddler now and talking up a storm] Hospitals need to know what drugs were had to give proper care. Yes they will call and you might lose your kids or go to jail, but hospitals need to know.
In my area (VA and TN) they test for drugs in the cord blood of every baby born here automatically.
Very proud of your friend!! Glad she's doing better :)
The most tragic thing is that if she really didn't want to care for Dylan, all she had to do was leave him in the hospital when she was discharged. No questions asked. And he would have been fostered until he could be adopted to a nice couple who actually wanted a baby. RIP Dylan, those people certainly didn't deserve you.
Better yet, Dylan could have stayed right there with Andrea Bowling since it was shown under her care as his foster mother, Dylan suffered drug withdrawals but was otherwise thriving. But no, CPS had to screw it all up and give Dylan back to bio-dad Daniel. FGS...🤦🏾♂🤦🏾♂...and some people wonder why common sense isn't truly common.
@@johnathanpatrick6118 I can't imagine how Andrea was feeling when she found out Dylan had died
@@johnathanpatrick6118 Children Services really dropped the ball here. They let that poor baby down. Dylan never should have been given to his egg and sperm donor, and his siblings should have been removed from their care.
Usually the bio-Mom gets swept up in the oxytocin of childrearing and wants to care for the baby up until its no longer a highly-adoptable baby (when the oxytocin drug tapers off). It's complete selfishness at all fronts.
“You devoured my family,” sounds an awful lot like what my sister said to me because I chose to help my niece, who was allegedly sexually abused by her stepdad. His criminal court case is coming up. But I believe “devour my family” means breaking up her family when it was her.
im sorry your sister is acting like that towards you instead of helping. i hope for justice for your niece after the case.
Please always remember that you are doing the right thing in helping your niece. Too many adults look the other way at abuse (especially when a family member is the abuser). I'm glad you know who REALLY deserves protection and sympathy.
She said it as if Julie was the one who killed, padlocked, ziptied, shrink wrapped and dumped her baby down a well.
I hope that piece of crap gets what he deserves! You’re stepping up and giving ur niece a voice. ❤️🩹 Good on you 💪🏼
The family she is talking about is separating her from that man. And also keep being the warrior for you nieces they deserve and need you
I can't help but laugh, because "I have to live with this for the rest of my life" was the exact same thing my biological sister said when my mother confronted her for graping (remove the g) as a child. Abusers all share a braincell, I swear.
You will never hear a genuine 'I'm sorry,' folks.
CPS needs to be destroyed and built back from the ground up. This is a great example of them failing the child and the foster parent, but good parents who are reported by anonymous callers (when it could be a bitter parent, grandparent, family member, etc) get their children taken away and put through this traumatic experience. I almost went through that bullshit as a child because someone took what my mom said WAY out of context as f**king usual. My mom told me that she would go through that hell again if it meant making sure that I was never taken away, no matter if it killed her in the end.
Yep, my friend grew up with 2 abusive alcoholic parents. I personally called the cops on her parents a few times because of either her dad choking her out or her parents beating or threatening her and they didn't do shit. There was finally some justice when I was with her and she drove us to Walmart drunk off her ass and with a water bottle with liquor in it. While inside I snuck away and called the cops and she ended up being arrested for DUI and I even testified against her. And even then she and her younger brother weren't taken out of her custody. It got to the point I had basically accepted that a day may come where I need to kill her parents to protect her because that's was the only way they wouldn't be able to hurt her again. Her mom ended up dying of fluid around her heart and she, while she still is with her dad, they're at her aunt's house where the shit they used to get away with doesn't fly. They're 22 now and I am working with her to get therapy for the trauma she went through growing up.
yea the same thing needs to happen to the foster care system because some of these kids are getting given to the most RANDOM people and they aren't taken care of properly. My great aunt, grandmother, and other great aunt i never want to meet EVER were put in the system after they're mom got caught for neglect and other things like drugs and they were put in another neglectful home.
Sorry for the random reply after 4 months, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone outside of my family acknowledge how CPS takes kids away from loving families. People think they're a good organization that has some bad apples, but the WHOLE of it is bad. My sisters were taken away after an anonymous call while my mom was at the hospital giving birth. There's a lot more to it than that, but it feels like the whole world is blind to how CPS is, and it's very isolating. It's refreshing to see someone speak the truth for once.
@@hypnoticblurI am a victim of DCF. I am not nor have I ever been a drug addict or alcoholic. I did not abuse my kids either. An angry ex-friend called on me and told horrendous lies that got my 3 kids taken. We were homeless and I just needed some help to get in my feet. I was fleeing the kids father who had almost successfully killed me on at least 2 occasions because the police wouldn't do anything to help me. Whenever I called on him, they would threaten to arrest me as a mutual combatant if they took him to jail because I caused injuries to him defending myself. No one tried to protect me from him and even accused me of actually wanting to be with him and lying about it to get money or sympathy. Who would do that? I was not able to get my kids back and I will never be able. There's a lot more I didnt write here. But the point is, DCF is extremely corrupt and even my case workers lied about me to the judge saying I refused l drug tests and worse, when I didn't. I tried everything I could and I still failed. I struggle to this day with depression and su*cidal thoughts because of the trauma.
Right! Cuz last time I checked, CPS is supposed to protect children... Not the fuckin opposite!
A very good friend of mine, who has been a mother-figure to me, went through something similar. She use to be a foster mom, & had taken care of this precious baby girl for almost a year I believe. She was talking about adopting her if the parents didn't get her back. Well, despite there being some issues during unsupervised visits DCS still allowed the baby to go back to her biological parents where she died within 1 month from abuse. My friend was so broken-hearted & traumatized by the situation that she immediately stopped being a foster-parent. The system doesn't have too many good ones out there who are in it for the right reasons, but she was! She was an angel to these kids, & they really lost a good one with her!
So sorry that happened to her.
I would love to be a foster parent one day. I gave my daughter up for adoption when I was younger and since then I’ve always wanted to give back to children in need one day. I wasn’t in a place to provide for my daughter like she deserved, but her adoptive family definitely was. A nice house, an adopted brother, successful parents, family vacations - all things I couldn’t give her. It was the hardest decision of my life. 15 years later, her father and I are still together and about to purchase our first home! We’re in a much better place, and I really want to look into fostering soon. I know good foster parents who aren’t in it for the money are desperately needed.
@@nopenope9118 I say go for it! You will be such a blessing to so many kids, i can see how much you care through just one comment. Im glad to know your daughter is with such a good family, Im a child myself (im not adopted btw) and I rarely go on vacations with my family because we have money problems and every one of us is heavily depressed but we all love eachother. When you feel like your ready to give foster kids a home, i may not be there to cheer you on but ill definitely think of you from time to time and hope your doing well 💕
Taking personal responsibility is pleading guilty and not putting people through a trial, and you don't make excuses for whatever your accessory after the fact did to cover up for you, you take him down with you.
Oh holy shit I didn’t even put it together that she could’ve actually taken accountability without a trial, and the trial alone is more proof that she isn’t actually remorseful
SAY IT LOUDER FOR JESSICAS ATTORNEY WHO DIDNT GRASP THIS CONCEPT EITHER🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Legit what I was thinking!
Good point! If a person has the chance to sit there and talk about how responsible and remorseful they are, they aren't. They would've already done so (guilty plea) and we wouldn't know about it! "Claiming" vs "taking" responsibility. Very different things.
Yeah. It's an interesting angle for the Defense attorney, but the fact that she's pleading not guilty shoots the entire thing out of the water.
I feel terrible for their teenage son, I cannot even fathom how he felt, I imagine he would feel unnecessary guilt and that he could’ve had a younger brother if his parents weren’t terrible people
Julie is a vicious beast she came out with gloves off and went straight for her throat and stood her ground and didn't waiver. I live in Ohio and Julie makes me proud to know we have people like her in our justice system. She did an amazing job and I think her voice for baby Dilon was perfect.
These people should have never been allowed to have a child. This case is disgusting every time, but Julie is the justice we needed, and she did amazing.
Every child deserves a parent, but not every parent deserves a child.
Yes, you saw that in another comment section and now you put it everywhere
such a powerful statement that people often forget. some people truly are not able to provide a child with a safe and stable environment and they don't deserve to have that power of shaping an entirely new human.
This comment is so original. I bet you thought of it all by yourself and you haven't seen it on every single true crime video with a child in it. Good job 👍. Bravo sir/mam.
@@poppergurl I was stating a quote it’s not mine 💀
I have this weird thing. When people are sincere I start to cry with them. When is an act, i don't
It just doesn't happen. My eyes are the sahara through all this testimony.
The blonde woman sitting behind julie during the closing arguments in the red and gray sweater whose crying is the foster mom who had him for 12 days after he was born. You could tell in her testimony how loving she was.
12 days and you can clearly tell that she loves Baby Dylan more than his biological parents ever would
I waited for the moment where she pulls that "coffin" out from under her desk and shows it to everyone. It's such a powerful moment the way she lists all the numbers and how much planning was involved when they are trying to write it off as panic. I really respect her for putting that together and bringing it to court with her.
I love when prosecutors aren’t stone faced and jaded.
I love when they get angry, have emotion, but are still stern and logical, letting that rage and resentment fuel their conviction. Emotion is what makes us beautiful as human. As long as there’s one person still gobsmacked at atrocities, saying ‘is anyone else LIVID by this!??’ ESPECIALLY, in a position of power, fighting for change, then there’s still hope for us as a society. Julie is an inspiration of the highest caliber.
Absolutely agree with you
My god. When lawyers take about the job, they often say its more stoic and less dramatic than in movies. But that closing could easily have been from a courtroom drama. Pitch perfect, showing the raw and genuine emotion and keeping control to get the facts across. I've not seen this before, thanks for putting this up. Great vid
At 1:18:00 you see a close up of some of the people in the stands (can also be seen during the trial). I believe the blond lady was baby Dylan's foster mom.
If you go search for her witness statement in this case, it's heartbreaking. She loved that baby, and was willing to do whatever she had to in order to keep him safe, while also respecting his birth parents. She even sent them pictures!
I think the only reason they fought for custody was because of some sick power trip and possessiveness over him. They liked the IDEA of having a child, but taking care of them, and realizing that your life is now dedicated to keeping another one safe and healthy, was something they were not ready for. There was 0 love. Just "He BELONGS to me".
It really upset me to write this so proceed with caution.
She wanted a punching bag. He couldn't call for help. He couldn't tell anyone how bad it was. He took all her anger and kept all her secrets and had no way to change his situation. Abuse is an addiction to inflicting pain upon someone as a frustration outlet. She didn't love him...she loved the fix she got from taking out her rage on him.
bingo! 🎯🎯🎯
You know parents with low income can get a lot of money from the government. It is the 2nd biggest factor in all of America's worst crime areas. It's not a secret anymore that high crime is directly correlated to the lack of a father in the home. Joe Biden insured that 70% of all black families will never have a dad in the home. Because he gets them arrested for having an ounce of marijuana and put in jail for years. Without 2 parent homes communities get swallowed by crime and addiction. Yet the government INCENTIVISES single mother hood with free money. And the more babies you squeeze out without daddies, the more money DEMOCRATS give you.
Some people treat kids like puppies they bought for Christmas
Imagine being the foster mom. She was comforting this baby during his withdrawals and now he’s dead because of the people he was taken away from.
this makes me cry. There are so many men and women that are strong, capable parents that want to love and care for children. This woman was a responsible and caring foster parent to an actual *infant*. I weep for her heartbreak.
I know!! I can’t imagine the whole in her heart. The feeling of helplessness must be beyond frustrating knowing she could have kept baby Dylan safe. 💔
That baby went through drug withdrawals before he was even a year old, thats sounds so disgusting. Julie did such a good job with this case. Honestly my favourite way to pass time with friends is to listen to these together. Thanks Boze
Remember if you legalize drugs, and prove it isn't bad, it can no longer be used as an excuse in court for a lower sentence.
My now 3 year old daughter had 2 heart surgeries when she was 3 months old. She had to be on some really seriously heavy pain meds and sedatives for a while afterwards. Well, she ended up getting discharged from the hospital about 10 days after the 2nd surgery... We were in the ER with her, at a different hospital, within 12 hours of her discharge because she was in horrific withdrawals. She was immediately readmitted to the different hospital, where she stayed for an additional 2.5 WEEKS so she could be properly tapered off of the narcotics. Yes, they admitted her to the PICU and put her BACK ON the meds so she could be safely tapered.
All of that is to say, a baby in withdrawals is VERY obvious to detect, and absolutely heart wrenching to witness. I STILL feel guilty as a mother, that she felt that awful, even for just those 12 hours.
By the way, she's a happy, healthy preschooler now!
@@amandarhoads4640 Proud of y'all as a family for making it through all that (even though I'm a complete stranger)
It's honestly horrible to hear their little cries. When my son was born he was in the nicu and the baby in the room right next to us was born with drugs in his system. Hearing his cries broke me.
@@quietlychaotically Thank you so much! Stranger on the internet or otherwise, kind words are always appreciated! 💜
I feel bad for defense attorneys, imagine having to defend these kinds of people
I bet this lawyer was sick to his stomach representing these people. I feel for him you can hear it in his voice and Julie’s voice they were fighting emotions. I bet he wished they got the death penalty.
it’s sad since he’s a public defender and he just has to defend them no matter how scummy the person may be and he most likely is there in the first place to help people who can’t afford a lawyer and never wanted to get a client like this.
I know this man's wife. She's a nurse. They are both good people. I imagine he had a lot of difficulty stomaching the details.
He knew they weren’t gonna win tbh. I don’t hate him.
After watching this I looked up how many kids are unregistered. Your comment about if they would've had him at home got me. I found there are MILLIONS of unregistered kids in the world. That breaks my heart. I can't imagine the horrors one can go through when no one knows you exist
You don't have to look further than the old order Amish to see thousands of unregistered kids. Any of them that leave have to go through the process of getting a birth cert, social security number, all that. It was horrifying to me when I learned that.
You can’t imagine the horrors of being registered. The draft is one reason
Julie going OFF at the end. YES GIRL. “Guilty on each count. Every single one of them” a literal mic drop
Wow Julie, I am in tears. What a statement she made, defended baby Dylan with her whole heart.
I feel absolutely horrible for their surviving son. Idk how he can be ok after this.
I'm not sure you can be okay after this.
Not everyone with a tragic backstory ends up fucked up... but i know you would like that... misery loves company after all... its people like you that makes people think something is wrong with them....
I pray he has no contact with them, the poor kid was just 15 at the time of the trial, just wonder how afraid he must've felt knowing what they did :(
It's so bad. He was 15. He is old enough to remember this forever but so young at the same time...
There was nothing he could've done for Dylan I'm afraid :(
What is even more messed up is the foster mom sat through the whole trial and was allowed to give a statement but the grove’s lawyers told the jury to disregard
That foster mom should've adopted the baby before the Groves' family got their meth-induced slimy hands on it
@@kirashaffer6469 she probably wasn't given the opportunity the US foster care system mostly wants to "reunite" the family it sucks and it gets kids hurt.
The reason she didn’t get to keep the baby is because Daniel had his son urine in a cup so he could lie for his jobs drug test so he appeared clean and responsible
@@kirashaffer6469 she absolutely was not given the opportunity to do so. DSS, CPS whatever the agency is called in your area, does not exist to help the child. It exists to help "the family". The explicit, stated goal of foster care is to house the kids safely until they can reunite the family. Renovation is all the system cares about.
Actual social workers are a different story. They're overworked, overwhelmed, and overruled non stop; I don't want anyone to think that this is a dig against them. But the system itself? It sure as hell is not about the safety or well-being of the kids.
@@devent10n I'm in college to become a social worker and this is not far from the truth. Becoming a social worker for CPS or any child services agency is an extremely hard job and the burnout is SO bad that there is an extremely high turnover. The system is just not designed to support those it actually needs to support which is so disheartening
Love the passion the one good lawyer has for baby Dylan...she made me jump when she smashed her hand to describe the abuse that was happening..and listening to her literally took my breath away and braught me to tears. She is gold...thank God for her
15:13 I didn’t work in nursing, but I worked at a daycare that went from when they start walking all the way up to Pre-K. There was a little boy there who was 10 months and the bruises that were on that baby could NOT have been just from him learning to walk. I reported the bruises to my director who got the nurse on site to check him over. They had me sit with the baby while they called CPS because the mom smelled of alcohol when she came to pick him up. She tried to get into the room and the cops were called and she was arrested and CPS took the little boy. I asked about him a few weeks later and they told me they couldn’t give me any info, but that he was safe. That was in the 2014-2015 school year.
The system is so messed up. I’m fostering (about to adopt) a baby who was starved and abused and the mom wants absolutely NOTHING to do with him but the court says we have to give them visitation. She never visits, dad is in jail for abuse of the mom, sexual assault and peeping. She was supposed to go to class to be a parent and go get help for being a drug user but she never did. And the judge said she DESERVES visitation and it makes me so mad. We’ve had him for almost 2 years. His ‘mom’ and ‘grandma’ have both dropped him on purpose
Edit: this was 6 months ago. It’s December. I’m a mom🩵. He’s officially 2 and he has my whole heart (he’s had it since I got him). It’s his first actual Christmas as my son and I couldn’t be happier. Thought I would share the good news
I hope the adoption goes through smoothly so you can keep protecting the little person
not all judges think the parent knows best!!!!
The world is full of b**tches.
Glad you’re saving that little boy 😊
I wish you luck. It took my mom (then auntie) FIVE YEARS to officially adopt me after so much money on lawyers, therapy (some of which retraumatized me b/c it was with my birth mom who I should never had had contact with), and struggle against my narcissistic bio mom who was addicted to drugs ect… but it did happen eventually
congratulations, I know he will have a tremendous life and be so happy with you 💖
I have 17 years of sobriety…..I went to AA and did 90 meetings in 90 days and that’s how I got through those first rough months. Then I continued to go to AA for another 13 years, religiously, every week. I was sick and tired of being sick and tired! These parents are just plain evil drug addicts. That poor baby! Julie is now my hero! Wow she is amazing!
I think they are just evil people period. Drugs or no drugs. As an addict, I can tell you I did everything in my power to make sure I never got pregnant because I knew that I was unable to care for a child. Even in the worst of my addiction, I would never have hurt anyone. I still had morals that I would never give up on. They aren't addicts, they're fiends and monsters. They are seriously evil even when stone cold sober.
I'm still struggling with my addiction atm, but it's because of my addiction that I have no sympathy for these two unfeeling ghouls mascarading as humans/parents.
2020, I unexpectedly became pregnant (despite multiple types of birth control, etc.) and even though I was in the worst depths of my addiction, my first thought was about the baby. I almost went into a panicked spiral because I KNEW I was using Oxy consistently, and I was beyond worried I'd already caused my little baby to become addicted with me. I spent hours and hours fighting to figure out how to get clean and how to keep my baby from suffering...I lost my child before I was even finished with my first trimester, and despite the pain of my loss, I couldn't help but feel relieved because it meant they wouldn't have a chance to suffer through addiction because of their unfortunate attachment to me.
u have to want to get better. this woman didnt want it, she was told she had to, which is why she failed. *sober 4 years, 9 months, 18 days* ❤
I think bringing their addiction into it and calling them "evil drug addicts" actually excuses them of their actions by saying that the drugs played a role in what they did - they didn't. It also is very insulting to any addict to imply that an addict can suddenly just become a murderer and kill a baby. Which is false. Drugs will never make someone violent much less a murderer out of nowhere. They were horrible people and just happened to also be addicts, two separate things. Please don't insult yourself and other addicts by acting like drugs can make someone do anything like this. Plenty of addicts would never hurt a fly, in fact most. These people were evil. Point blank.
Good on you! I just made 21yrs! 💪🏼 ❤
For the disassociation topic, I recently found out that I am one of those people that "forget" the bad things I've done. I don't think my childhood was particularly traumatizing or anything, but there is quite a bit that I don't remember, and my memory since then has also been spotty. I didn't think I did things that were annoying or toxic, but my husband kept telling me about selfish things I kept doing. It was the most bazar thing. We both felt gas lit at the same time. Then eventually he got through to me (i think he brought it up during the moment I was being selfish, so I could clearly see how I was acting). I was really eye opening, and I feel a lot of shame about how I acted... which at first made my memory worse, but I had to face things or else be blind forever. Its hard but so far so good. 😊
This actually makes me seriously think about my relationship with my mom. I know she means well, but every time I try setting boundaries or explaining to her how something she's doing is hurtful or bothers me, it's like she visibly zones out and doesn't seem to internalize or act on what I'm saying. It's really frustrating, because I think from her point of view she's perfectly willing to listen and be there for me, and she can tell I'm increasingly sort of numb and dead inside around her, but she genuinely has no idea why. While from my point of view I've been telling her the same things for close to two decades now, and I feel like there's really no point even trying to get through to her anymore -- I can't force her to be what I need, and frankly it's just really painful for me to see myself get tuned out like that.
“they calculated as hard as they could” GIRL YOU TOOK ME OUT WITH THAT 🤣💀
i NEED another true crime binge, boze. PLEASE
I SECOND THIS. 7 hour crime binge part 2.
Yessssssss a boze true crime binge! I need it……!! 🥹😅
I third this 🙇🏻🙇🏻🙇🏻🙇🏻🙇🏻🙇🏻🙇🏻
im sure its comin eventually! i remember boze saying how her editors are gonna hate her for pt 2 cause the amount of content 😭
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15:01 the nursery nurses and hospital social workers DID object - not sure if you watched any of their testimony, but they insisted on a plan that did not involve releasing baby to “Dad.”
Twelve days after being released to THE MOST LOVING FOSTER MAMA ON THE PLANET (seriously… SHE was that baby’s mama. Not Jessica), CPS decided to let “Dad” have him.
CPS has an unfortunate core idea that children are better off with their biological family. This leads to a lot of dead and abused kids/babies.
It’s especially terrible when proven bad parents are chosen over well vetted foster/adoptive parents. The worst part is CPS gets off Scott free every single time their decisions result in awful outcomes for the children they are charged with helping.
@@kissit012 Have you seen the trial? The caseworker’s testimony was INFURIATING. I think she was the only adult who didn’t appear on camera (“only adult” bc the 15 year old son testified, and obviously his guardian didn’t want HIS face shown) - and I understand why. I would have been too chicken$hit too! 😡😡😡
A judge decided to let the sperm donor have him not cps. Cps can't take kids without a judge signing off of it. How are people this ignorant of the system but then blaming the wrong people with their full chest? This is why voting in local elections is important due to judges are elected positions
@@ayajade6683 Fair enough… it WAS ultimately the judge’s decision and that judge bears a lot of responsibility IMO.
That said, the judge DOES take CPS’s/GAL’s etc recommendations into consideration. I would be shocked if the workers in THIS case ALL said “Your Honor, the Groves home is NOT SAFE. We recommend assigning Dylan a GAL, we need to see x/y/z results on both parents’ drug tests-including hair follicles, we recommend x/y/z case plan to be court ordered”……… and the judge STILL decides to return Dylan.
Plus, not sure if you’ve seen the trial - I have, and the caseworker from CPS was INCREDIBLY negligent during the home visits…. The Law & Crime Network has the entire trial, in relatively short videos with the witnesses in the individual videos. The caseworker’s name I want to say is Patricia Craft… it’s maddening to listen to, and I absolutely believe CPS failed this child.
But anyway you ARE correct that the ultimate decision to return him would have been a judge, and CPS therefore is not completely to blame
@@LlamaLlamaMamaJamaac I have I've also looked at the case documents cps did recommend getting hair follicle samples and a reevaluation of the current living arrangement. First one was denied due the laws regarding addicts and requesting drug samples for the court and the reevaluation was in review but on the backlog at the time of his death. Both these documents were thrown out by the prosecutor for not being relevant. CPS can't say a child is unsafe without the documentation even if they suggested it a judge would likely ignore it. While cps isn't blameless in this I'm not going to let idiots who lack a basic understanding of the system get away with misinformation of CPS when they really should look more at the judges.
The prosecutor did such a great job making sure the jury didn’t buy that monster’s crocodile tears. I’m outraged that this child was also let down so hard by the system, and that he was given back when the home situation was far from safe. My heart breaks for his foster mom who knew things weren’t going to be good. We need to do better. My heart also breaks for baby Dylan’s brother, who had to deal with these pieces of garbage for his whole life. I hope he’s doing well.
That guilt of not being able to save your brothers/sisters is something I still live with, in my 30s. It's less guilt now, but it manifests as a hypervigilance - I'm always half listening for the kids in my neighborhood, screaming and crying of any kind gets my adrenaline pumping. Sometimes, I hear them when they're not even there 😣
I’m sorry for your loss, survivors guilt seems just as bad as the death itself. I wish you nothing but good days ahead.🙏
I am also really sorry for what happened to you. That pain sounds unimaginable. I hope you are able to realise that responsibility was not in you. I hope you can find peace.
Oh sweetie…💔❤️🩹 Stay strong 💪🏼🥹
@@thugnastykathy What awful pain. You're a strong person. I love you
I'm sixty now. I don't have children. Neither does my much younger sister. She doesn't have children because I crippled her with my fear. Siblings, babies, and pets are all potential hostages to violence, coercion, and neglect. I am hypervigilant, too. My sister demands that I don't look at her when I'm with her...because I can't NOT look at her just to make sure she is still safe and ...breathing. I've worked with over 200 autistic teens who needed assistance to communicate with friends and family and it has been my pleasure. Sometimes, I hear them...even when they don't have the words or even the language...to make a sound or express how they feel, what they want, or what they need. Perhaps you hear, like me, the voices of the children that others cannot hear. Love to you, always, each and every day.
The fact that the baby was placed in daniels care and he failed to do anything to protect him is why he should get a full sentence for being complacent.
While I have never wanted kids, these people made me physically ill. I can't imagine someone being this much of a monster. Bless Julie for standing up for Dylan.
I hope the other inmates find out what they did..
my auntie's a m*th addict and she had enough sense to stop doing drugs while she was pregnant at least.
she started using again after my baby cousin was born and i don't think it would have even crossed her mind to hurt that little boy. my dad caught her high and got emergency custody and she got him back after about 3 months of rehab and 8 months of getting her crap together when he was about 1. little dude is a happy bubbly toddler right now.
i don't buy for a single second that daniel didn't hurt baby dylan, mr rolling around on the floor, hell no.
Boze knows her editor so well it's almost scary.
Also, can I just say that the foster mother is probably devastated.
I watched the foster mothers testimony and she absolutely was. Jessica shed tears for herself. That foster mom shed them for baby Dylan. Only in her care did he know the love of a true mother.
My heart breaks for her as much as baby Dylan. Dylan was thriving in her care and never should have been given back to his “parents”. She was the only person in Dylan’s short life that truly gave him the love and care that he needed and deserved.
It’s good to know there are some good foster parents out there in the world.
@@KagomeYasha023 I have great adoptive parents and I’m lucky for that
she may be his foster mother legally, but she was most definitely his mother in actuality. you don’t have to give birth to your child to be a parent, and she was more of a mother to dylan than either of his birth parents. her victim impact statement was heartbreaking, and she spoke about dylan more than herself; because that’s who this trial was about. it was about putting baby dylan’s murderers behind bars, and giving justice for baby dylan’s murder.
Andrea Bowling (the woman in the red shirt at 1:17:57) was my 3rd grade English teacher. She’s such a caring person, and I felt absolutely terrible for her when I heard what happened. I remember they announced Dylan’s birthday on the radio after his death. It was devastating.
Sheesh why tho he died let him rest and not let her have to relive that moment by hearing that I mean that's my opinion I would feel very sad and depressed if I heard about my Child who I thought could've saved but wasn't able to.
@@sahilrahman5066 yeah it was kinda messed up
Look at those “crocodile tears” when she’s on the stand answering the questions from her attorney. It says a lot when there are ZERO TEARS rolling down her face!
she was definitely affected by this case you can see it even if you don't watch it directly you can hear the rage building in her voice because she's so upset at the details of what these animals did to their own child.. :(
The mother trying to force tears out during the defense opening when she was stone faced during Julie’s says everything.
I thought that bit was strange, too. To me, It was really odd that during the description of what had happened to her child there were no tears but as soon as the defence attorney starts talking about a drug problem in their community that's when the tears start. Showed me what she cared about more.
15:00 The hospital can and will hold on to a baby if the mother tests positive of drugs.
I worked a case where a baby boy was born with all kinds of medical issues and the mom tested positive for THC and the first 90 days of his life while in NICU his mom visited him only 6 times and the father never visited.
He was picked up by a wonderful foster family(who would go on to adopt him) and that is where he stayed until he passed away from natural causes at 9. ( I say natural causes because given all his health issues he wasn't expecting to live past infanthood but he was so loved and taken care of by his foster family that he lived much longer than anyone expected. )
they took the baby away from a family cause the mom was popped for THC wtf?
I highly suspect there is more then THC involved. Especially considering they only visited the baby what 6 times? Sounds like more then THC but who knows... People are effed up man.
@@joelwyatt9033 yeah, and that should absolutely be the case. If you are doing any substances while pregnant, legal or not, you don't get custody because you clearly don't care enough about the child. End of discussion.
@@rambbler tell that to my college friend who was born in the nineties to a study on the effects of THC, hemp, and edibles on pregnant women and fetuses 💀💀✌🏽
@@joelwyatt9033 I think it's more important that they didn't even visit him in the NICU tbh. But I'm sure they were heartbroken about their family being split apart lol ..
I remember first hearing about this case from my aunt, she was up all night reading into it and trying to find possible motives or different connections maybe someone missed. (She’s a crime addict) She came across boze covering the case and really enjoyed the commentary, she started binging every one of her videos and now it’s a regular occurrence we watch boze together. She was really happy when she posted this because it’s one of her favorite cases. Thank you boze 🙏 ❤
my aunt and uncle are both foster parents and regularly have had kids of all different ages in and out of their home. their youngest, Lucky (yes his parents named him Lucky) came to them at only 3 days old as an emergency placement because he was born with high levels of meth in his system. 3 DAYS OLD. seeing how parents can do things like that to their kids really opened my eyes to how truly cruel people can be. cases like this absolutely break my heart, NO child should be born with predisposed addiction and other issues from their parent's selfish decisions. some parents truly do not deserve to be parents.
To answer your question around 15:19 boze, yes! My youngest sister was taken from her mother at birth due to a long history of drug abuse, child abuse and child endangerment towards her previous children. She was brought to us at 4 days old due to us already adopting her half sister from the same mother. After 1 year of fostering we were able to adopt her into the family. Both girls are affected by FASD and came put of the womb addicted to drugs. They have some development hurdles but they are safe, happy, healthy and very loved.
Thank you to any and all advocates for these children! You are walking guardian angels! I'm devastated that there wasn't the same protection for this poor child 😔❤️
You are an amazing woman! 💪🏼 And an amazing mother! ❤
Thank you so much for adopting both of them. As someone with FASD, I thoroughly thank you. ❤