I've heard so many different versions of this song. I think this live version is my favorite. Every note hit perfectly, with that Garland genius. She was truly one of the greatest live entertainers ever. The hand gestures on emphasis was something she did so eloquently and flawlessly. ❤
Every time Judy sings, you just see and HEAR that it's coming straight from her soul. She's lived this song, just as she's lived Alone Together and Smile.
E dificil encontrar palavras para definir Judy Garland. Ela canta com Emoção. Nao da par descrever de tao belo.So.ouvindo e sentindo a musica de perto.
Judy Garland looking great and sounding supremely soulful nailing "Just In Time" in a way never before or since...what were they thinking not letting this show run as long as Judy wanted to do it? Clearly in peak form, now on youtube anyone who enjoys a great singer can savor and enjoy this legendary icon who is the greatest ever...Bravo Judy, love and miss you and RIP sweet soulful lady...
So speacil Judy was- i sure do miss her- cant beleive how peiople and the industry took advantage of her- She was the greatest enterainer of all time and she is still remembered and loved- thank God for DVD
Love the way Judy gives us two interpretations here: the slow, soft, reflective one, with just Mort at the piano, modulating up to the jazzy, joyful one, the brass and strings at full pelt. Love the way it soars and swoops, and you never know quite where it's going. Judy hits those big notes with all the force and accuracy of an Exocet missile. Unbelievably good.
This is the BEST VERSION. The tail of the song rises differently, with a much more dramatic ending, hitting a high (alto) "C", the top of Garland's range from 2:38 to the end - this is the only television recording of this ending. Judy sang this version at the London Palladium, but was not in good voice. Here, in 1964, and in stereo (yes it can be found!) P E R F E C T I O N ! ! !
She nailed the performance. It’s more of a showcase for her performance and singing skills. I’d rather hear it straighter than with gratuitous modulations. Having said that, as my wife explained to me, it was a very done song at the time, so they had to do something different with it. My favorite is the Dudley Moore version. Instrumental. Uptempo
Just read the biography of Kay Thompson. According to that work, Ms. Thompson was responsible for the extraordinary arrangement Ms. Garland sings here. Ms. Thompson, Garland friend and mentor, was the vocal coach at MGM and influenced two generations of film music. Her goddaughter is Liza Minelli, and if you listen carefully, you can hear Ms. Thompson's influence in her work.
Judy is at the very top of her game here; sounding (and looking) incredible. It infuriates me that the idiots as CBS could not see the greatness that was right in front of them. Canceling the The Judy Garland Show for a fcking Bonanza? What were they thinking.
I agree - the subtle key changes, the Garland emotion - terrific. Also love the quieter Streisand version with the Gounod Ave Maria as background music.
This contains the moment which is possibly my absolute favourite in all of Judy's repertoire - were she sings "...my bridges all were crossed, nowhere to GOOO OOOOH! NOW YOU'RE HERE!..." A perfect expression of the elation of suddenly falling in love.
Judy Garland WAS one of the original members of the Rat Pack, the Humphrey Bogart early 50s pack and the first. Judy did not have to read music she was gifted at birth and it had to be in her DNA to be such a genius musically! There was no one who ever was her equal!
That just amazes me that she did not read music .Maybe that is why she is so special. Judy can sing to me all day long!R.I.P. with Phoebe Snow now the 2 of you can make some beautiful music!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks so much this, it's Judy at her absolute best- feeling good, she looks beautiful, sounds beautiful, she worked so hard on this show, and I think she enjoyed every bit of it- bless Judy-
I woke up to JG's Rain or Shine. Then David Ruffins' Rovin kind, Then Puff Daddy's Reverse. Then my Soul begin to sing JG's just in time. So I'm back. I've always felt that this was her best television version of this song. The paste, her tone. She most have sung this in the evening.
It’s sad how people my age ( I’m 15 btw )doesn’t listen to songs like these and don’t realize the talent she has and many other singers, all they listen to is rap music that makes no sense at all😂
Rap is music with no music in it. I mean in terms of harmonic progressions and melodic lines, I think it is good to know that some young people are still taking an interest in real music. Music that is interesting and challenging in terms of harmony and melody. I like that song (not rap) by Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke: " Blurred lines " but it only has basic 2 chords in it and quite a simply melody. Famous songs from the American song book have complex and interesting harmonic progressions and interesting melodies. That is the point Destiny is making. I don't think this comment is at all judgemental or or condescending.
@TheDaguerreotypist OK, WOW. You're absolutely right that Ms Garland has without a doubt taken this song and transformed it into something that is nothing short of unforgettable. I remember her singing this when I was a small child. It has made a lasting impression on me! No joke, she has made her mark on this song. You'll have to trust me on the technical stuff. I gave you an accurate description of what happens with the keys or tonal centers in the song. I studied music and have a degree.
I believe the last modulation in this arrangement is a whole step, ( from key of 'F' right to key of 'G'.).Many performers are minus the chops to handle not only the technical ability, but more importantly, the sum in its' entirety, musically and emotionally from tenderly whispered 1st go 'round, to Garland's clear intonation on lyrics of this soaring, bravura finish.Sure it's 'showing off' a bit, that's why they call it SHOW Business. I favor this tag ending to another she performs on this
@lovelytrix00 although the one thing i -do- know with the utmost certainty is that this song, with whatever techniques may be employed, is absolutely amazing... i am yet to find another performer who can own a song, and still manage to sell it like judy... ^.^
@less01 The song was written by Jule Styne (music) and Betty Comden and Adolph Green (lyrics) for the musical "Bells Are Ringing," in which it was sung by the brilliant comedienne Judy Holliday, who had a fairly limited vocal range. I've never heard that the original arrangement was more difficult to sing -- it couldn't be, because unlike Judy Garland's arrangement, the original didn't modulate up three half-steps. Garland's is the more difficult -- and the definitive. A thrilling rendition.
Just a correction, RobertEllis -- Miss Judy had absolutely no problems counting -- the only reason she needed to be cued in by Torme was because she could not sufficiently hear herself over the blare of the band -- a problem that is VERY common for singers. Judy's musical timing was, in fact, exceptional; not only could she count with great precision, she did not even have the need to do so, as she had an innate feel of the music.
@TheDaguerreotypist Did someone explain to you that ChipL55 was referring to key changes when they said "modulation". That is another definition of modulation.
(lastly) then again, i'm not a music teacher, nor do i have an extensive knowledge on anything more than very basic vocal technique so i could be completely mistaken.... lol
@TheDaguerreotypist Ms Garland actually changes key centers 3 times in this arrangement. The first key change comes at the beginning of the repeated chorus. The second comes at the lyrics "I was lost....." and the third occurs right on the words "just in time" after "for love came". The first two are up a half step. The third key change or modulation is especially great because she goes up a whole step instead of a half. It's more difficult. Do have the music score for this exact arrangement?
@pusspleaser134 Actually, Judy could read music a little because she took piano lessons as a child. She put together the medley with Barbra Streisand herself, so she had to know some basics about music to write that down.
(continued) because the song starts out in head-voice then switches to chest voice, and is then belted toward the end, and while the dynamics vary greatly, the notes and key signature show very little variation...
@less01 that, i don't know... i know that she never learned how to read music and sang everything by ear... and the belting was probably due to her start in vaudeville where belting was pretty much the only way to be heard... so i'm sure she developed the style there... and later on she was talking to ethel merman and barbra streisand on her show about belting in general... but i'm not sure if she knew about the technical aspects of it all, or if she was just singing the way she knew...
@lovelytrix00 okay, a key-change modulation is what it is, but i didn't think there was one of those in here... the only slight differential comes after the tempo picks up a bit, but i didn't think that would qualify as a key change, because all that happened was the notes picked up to a slightly higher (probably a half-step, or less) from the rest of the song... the only thing that changes greatly is the tempo and volume of the notes...
@less01 i'm not sure exactly what ChipL955 is referring to as modulation because in musical terminology, it's taken to mean two things... one version of modulation is referring to a vocal run, or the fast sequential changing of notes, and another is a dynamic term being very good control over the varying volume of notes, usually being for dramatic effect... what i do know is that song is a prime example of perfect belting technique, and that's what makes this version so difficult to sing...
@TheDaguerreotypist now that we are on the subject.. I wonder if Judy knew what you are talking about and performed it using technique.. or do you think it was just that her talent and voice were so verstail that she was given the arrangement and she would glide along with it...??
@ChipL955 ohh very interesting to know but I was refering to the definitive version as the original.. sorry ;) but its interesting how this version is soo powerful and demanding in terms of voice and range and yet the definitive one is considered the hardest and better... could you elaborate on that because I am just a music lover I dont know alot about technique... and what is Modulation?
@lovelytrix00 i don't have the score, no... but i'm judging by the sound alone, and while the dynamics and style change three times, the notes seem to have very little differentiation... if you listen carefully between the pitches of the first and second verse; they change very little... after the crescendo, it picks up quite a bit in volume, while the pitch deviates only slightly from the rest of the song, and if it's considered a key-change, i would only consider the last verse to be so...
The audio from this episode is a little garbled in places, I wonder if the original master tape was damaged or if it was just recorded that way to begin with. Either way, this is certainly the best performance she ever did of this song with the augmented arrangement at the end.
Agree this is far and away Judy's best shot at this. She's truly amazing here. Unbelievably, the video tapes of this series languished unloved in a vault for decades amidst ownership squabbles. It was shockingly negligent of the copyright owners. Eventually, Pioneer Video got the tapes and did an amazing, painstaking restoration job, the fruits of which we see now on UA-cam. Sadly, any audio or video glitches still present are likely to have been inflicted during those long years on neglect.
Ive read and heard that this arrangement was very difficult to sing.... and also read that the original arrangement is actually harder to sing! can somebody tell me which version is true?
This show was a flop for Judy. It was cancelled after one year. She never made a dime from this show though she had high expectations. She looks great in this video and her voice is awesome.
(continued) i think what is happening here is more of a trick or a sort of aural farce... i've heard other people sing this song (not the exact arrangement, but very similar) and when they aren't belting the last portion, the notes and melody stay about the same, but such is the case when people belt, it generally pushes one's voice to a slightly higher pitch considering the volume of air that is expelled in a shorter time....
Ironically enough, she was part of the Rat Pack- the original Rat Pack, which was also called the Holmby Hills Rat Pack. It was Judy, her husband Sid, and their neighbors Humphrey Bogart, Laren Bacall, as well as Frank Sinatra. The term was originated by columnist Sheila Graham, who meant it as a jibe against them because she deemed them very exclusive and always hard-partying together. But they thought it was hilarious and even gave each other titles of treasurer, president, etc of the Rat Pack. In later years Frank took the name and used it for his well-known boy's clique.
Too ethereal for this dense planet earth. So talented...
No one comes close to the talent of Judy Garland.
My favorite version of this song. The tempo changes are incredible. Her voice had a sound to it that NO OTHER SINGER HAD
No other singer HAS! This is perfection.
The kid had unique talent.
Greatest singer ever, hands down.
She'll knock your socks off!
Agree that this is the best version she did of this song. She was totally in command of the key changes at the end. Sublime performance.
Judy I love you so much ❤❤❤❤ you're such a precious angel 😇😇😇😇
The most magnificent singer in all of entertainment history, hands down.
god I love her voice and her delivery is so amazing!
I've heard so many different versions of this song. I think this live version is my favorite. Every note hit perfectly, with that Garland genius. She was truly one of the greatest live entertainers ever. The hand gestures on emphasis was something she did so eloquently and flawlessly. ❤
Beyond words...another realm
I love her so much! A voice like no other. There will never be another Judy
How can you not love her? I love her so much.
I ❤ this stage of Judy. A master from the golden Hollywood period at work
Simplemente maravillosa.!!
I love her outfit. I wish we could see it in color 💖
Her designer, Ray Aghyan, mentored his partner, Bib Mackie, with skill and care.
Absolutely the best version of this song, all key changes intact and the high "C" at the end. Love it!!@
Dean martin... just in time.
It's stupid to compare
my favorite performance from Garland... chills and warmth all at once.
The last 40 seconds knocks your socks off ! The life in her was palpable and she shared herself with all of us ! Thank you judy
Magnifique interprétation ! C'était du temps où il fallait de la voix !!!!
Oh my God. That was beautiful.
Every time Judy sings, you just see and HEAR that it's coming straight from her soul. She's lived this song, just as she's lived Alone Together and Smile.
Wow Judy could do this a little different each time, and each time change tempo, modulation etc. and still knock it out into space...
Stunning. Superb. Simply wonderful.
Judy was genius. Sacred genius.
E dificil encontrar palavras para definir Judy Garland. Ela canta com Emoção. Nao da par descrever de tao belo.So.ouvindo e sentindo a musica de perto.
her voice so emotion.
How magnificent.
One of my all time favortie moments from THE JUDY GARLAND SHOW. She is prefection......
Judy Garland looking great and sounding supremely soulful nailing "Just In Time" in a way never before or since...what were they thinking not letting this show run as long as Judy wanted to do it? Clearly in peak form, now on youtube anyone who enjoys a great singer can savor and enjoy this legendary icon who is the greatest ever...Bravo Judy, love and miss you and RIP sweet soulful lady...
bradly2007 well said
Í Still Love you , Franci...
Beautiful
So speacil Judy was- i sure do miss her- cant beleive how peiople and the industry took advantage of her- She was the greatest enterainer of all time and she is still remembered and loved- thank God for DVD
This is unique, before and after anything else.
Love the way Judy gives us two interpretations here: the slow, soft, reflective one, with just Mort at the piano, modulating up to the jazzy, joyful one, the brass and strings at full pelt. Love the way it soars and swoops, and you never know quite where it's going. Judy hits those big notes with all the force and accuracy of an Exocet missile. Unbelievably good.
Magnifica
Freakin awesome range!
This is the BEST VERSION. The tail of the song rises differently, with a much more dramatic ending, hitting a high (alto) "C", the top of Garland's range from 2:38 to the end - this is the only television recording of this ending. Judy sang this version at the London Palladium, but was not in good voice. Here, in 1964, and in stereo (yes it can be found!) P E R F E C T I O N ! ! !
Yep, this is the best one!
She nailed the performance. It’s more of a showcase for her performance and singing skills. I’d rather hear it straighter than with gratuitous modulations. Having said that, as my wife explained to me, it was a very done song at the time, so they had to do something different with it. My favorite is the Dudley Moore version. Instrumental. Uptempo
Yes, musically way better than the version from earlier in the series (from the piano bench next to Mort).
Robert Jennings these shows were never recorded in stereo, however bootleg albums were recorded in simulated stereo using high and low
I actually prefer the Palladium version over this one, but that’s just me😊
Just read the biography of Kay Thompson. According to that work, Ms. Thompson was responsible for the extraordinary arrangement Ms. Garland sings here. Ms. Thompson, Garland friend and mentor, was the vocal coach at MGM and influenced two generations of film music. Her goddaughter is Liza Minelli, and if you listen carefully, you can hear Ms. Thompson's influence in her work.
Judy is at the very top of her game here; sounding (and looking) incredible. It infuriates me that the idiots as CBS could not see the greatness that was right in front of them. Canceling the The Judy Garland Show for a fcking Bonanza? What were they thinking.
I agree - the subtle key changes, the Garland emotion - terrific. Also love the quieter Streisand version with the Gounod Ave Maria as background music.
PURE CLASS AND AND A GREAT PERFORMANCE BY A SPECIAL LADY💐💐💐💐JOANN LAMONICA ONEONTA NY
That angle they got her at.. so involved, I love it.
This contains the moment which is possibly my absolute favourite in all of Judy's repertoire - were she sings "...my bridges all were crossed, nowhere to GOOO OOOOH! NOW YOU'RE HERE!..." A perfect expression of the elation of suddenly falling in love.
Judy hits it off the planet!
Judy Garland WAS one of the original members of the Rat Pack, the Humphrey Bogart early 50s pack and the first. Judy did not have to read music she was gifted at birth and it had to be in her DNA to be such a genius musically! There was no one who ever was her equal!
💘 I think Judy sang this Song because of her Children that they were the ones who kept her Going plus her Tremendous Power
That just amazes me that she did not read music .Maybe that is why she is so special. Judy can sing to me all day long!R.I.P. with Phoebe Snow now the 2 of you can make some beautiful music!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow. A talent like none other.
Magnificent! Watching/listening to this makes me happy. What a PRO!
thanks so much this, it's Judy at her absolute best- feeling good, she looks beautiful, sounds beautiful, she worked so hard on this show, and I think she enjoyed every bit of it- bless Judy-
I woke up to JG's Rain or Shine. Then David Ruffins' Rovin kind, Then Puff Daddy's Reverse. Then my Soul begin to sing JG's just in time. So I'm back. I've always felt that this was her best television version of this song. The paste, her tone. She most have sung this in the evening.
berührend
an arrangement DONE BY SUCH EMOTION. GIVES ME SHIVERS EACH TIME I SEE AND HEAR THIS INCREDIBLE PERSON, MZ JUDY GARLAND. WHOA NELLIE.
wow
holy cow! wow, just wow.
Another favorite song and performance..Woww...thats all i can say.
It’s sad how people my age ( I’m 15 btw )doesn’t listen to songs like these and don’t realize the talent she has and many other singers, all they listen to is rap music that makes no sense at all😂
DESTINY BUCKNER
It’s true she is a legend. However rap music is amazing in a different way 😊
Rap is rubbish, they just talk rudely.
Rap is music with no music in it. I mean in terms of harmonic progressions and melodic lines,
I think it is good to know that some young people are still taking an interest in real music. Music that is interesting and challenging in terms of harmony and melody. I like that song (not rap) by Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke: " Blurred lines " but it only has basic 2 chords in it and quite a simply melody. Famous songs from the American song book have complex and interesting harmonic progressions and interesting melodies. That is the point Destiny is making. I don't think this comment is at all judgemental or or condescending.
I am around your age (17), and same!! Judy is amazing!! However, even though I hate rap, too, I respect the genre :)
Glad I’m not the only 15 year old listening to Judy Garland! ❤
@TheDaguerreotypist OK, WOW. You're absolutely right that Ms Garland has without a doubt taken this song and transformed it into something that is nothing short of unforgettable. I remember her singing this when I was a small child. It has made a lasting impression on me! No joke, she has made her mark on this song. You'll have to trust me on the technical stuff. I gave you an accurate description of what happens with the keys or tonal centers in the song. I studied music and have a degree.
A real Diva!!
@lovelytrix00 I have to confirm (not that I really need to) that you are completely right.
Her ear was immaculate.
I believe the last modulation in this arrangement is a whole step, ( from key of 'F' right to key of 'G'.).Many performers are minus the chops to handle not only the technical ability, but more importantly, the sum in its' entirety, musically and emotionally from tenderly whispered 1st go 'round, to Garland's clear intonation on lyrics of this soaring, bravura finish.Sure it's 'showing off' a bit, that's why they call it SHOW Business. I favor this tag ending to another she performs on this
Face it, she was BRILLIANT!!
@lovelytrix00 although the one thing i -do- know with the utmost certainty is that this song, with whatever techniques may be employed, is absolutely amazing... i am yet to find another performer who can own a song, and still manage to sell it like judy... ^.^
hermosaaaaaa por siempre judy!!!
@less01 The song was written by Jule Styne (music) and Betty Comden and Adolph Green (lyrics) for the musical "Bells Are Ringing," in which it was sung by the brilliant comedienne Judy Holliday, who had a fairly limited vocal range. I've never heard that the original arrangement was more difficult to sing -- it couldn't be, because unlike Judy Garland's arrangement, the original didn't modulate up three half-steps. Garland's is the more difficult -- and the definitive. A thrilling rendition.
Just a correction, RobertEllis -- Miss Judy had absolutely no problems counting -- the only reason she needed to be cued in by Torme was because she could not sufficiently hear herself over the blare of the band -- a problem that is VERY common for singers.
Judy's musical timing was, in fact, exceptional; not only could she count with great precision, she did not even have the need to do so, as she had an innate feel of the music.
Judy was great stylist, never better than on this song. Getting a little "boffo" show-busy at the end, IMHO, but she could carry it off. :)
Judy hits it out of the park!
You can read about it at my website, "Judy Garland - The Live Performances!" There is even a picture of the dress as it is today. I know the owner.
amazing!
Actually, this was filmed on February 14th, 1964.
@TheDaguerreotypist Did someone explain to you that ChipL55 was referring to key changes when they said "modulation". That is another definition of modulation.
(lastly) then again, i'm not a music teacher, nor do i have an extensive knowledge on anything more than very basic vocal technique so i could be completely mistaken.... lol
@TheDaguerreotypist Ms Garland actually changes key centers 3 times in this arrangement. The first key change comes at the beginning of the repeated chorus. The second comes at the lyrics "I was lost....." and the third occurs right on the words "just in time" after "for love came". The first two are up a half step. The third key change or modulation is especially great because she goes up a whole step instead of a half. It's more difficult. Do have the music score for this exact arrangement?
@pusspleaser134 Actually, Judy could read music a little because she took piano lessons as a child. She put together the medley with Barbra Streisand herself, so she had to know some basics about music to write that down.
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(continued) because the song starts out in head-voice then switches to chest voice, and is then belted toward the end, and while the dynamics vary greatly, the notes and key signature show very little variation...
@less01 that, i don't know... i know that she never learned how to read music and sang everything by ear... and the belting was probably due to her start in vaudeville where belting was pretty much the only way to be heard... so i'm sure she developed the style there... and later on she was talking to ethel merman and barbra streisand on her show about belting in general... but i'm not sure if she knew about the technical aspects of it all, or if she was just singing the way she knew...
boxxy is great so is jesus
@lovelytrix00 okay, a key-change modulation is what it is, but i didn't think there was one of those in here... the only slight differential comes after the tempo picks up a bit, but i didn't think that would qualify as a key change, because all that happened was the notes picked up to a slightly higher (probably a half-step, or less) from the rest of the song... the only thing that changes greatly is the tempo and volume of the notes...
@less01 i'm not sure exactly what ChipL955 is referring to as modulation because in musical terminology, it's taken to mean two things... one version of modulation is referring to a vocal run, or the fast sequential changing of notes, and another is a dynamic term being very good control over the varying volume of notes, usually being for dramatic effect... what i do know is that song is a prime example of perfect belting technique, and that's what makes this version so difficult to sing...
@TheDaguerreotypist now that we are on the subject.. I wonder if Judy knew what you are talking about and performed it using technique.. or do you think it was just that her talent and voice were so verstail that she was given the arrangement and she would glide along with it...??
@ChipL955 ohh very interesting to know but I was refering to the definitive version as the original.. sorry ;) but its interesting how this version is soo powerful and demanding in terms of voice and range and yet the definitive one is considered the hardest and better... could you elaborate on that because I am just a music lover I dont know alot about technique... and what is Modulation?
@lovelytrix00 i don't have the score, no... but i'm judging by the sound alone, and while the dynamics and style change three times, the notes seem to have very little differentiation... if you listen carefully between the pitches of the first and second verse; they change very little... after the crescendo, it picks up quite a bit in volume, while the pitch deviates only slightly from the rest of the song, and if it's considered a key-change, i would only consider the last verse to be so...
clairesy
The audio from this episode is a little garbled in places, I wonder if the original master tape was damaged or if it was just recorded that way to begin with. Either way, this is certainly the best performance she ever did of this song with the augmented arrangement at the end.
Agree this is far and away Judy's best shot at this. She's truly amazing here. Unbelievably, the video tapes of this series languished unloved in a vault for decades amidst ownership squabbles. It was shockingly negligent of the copyright owners. Eventually, Pioneer Video got the tapes and did an amazing, painstaking restoration job, the fruits of which we see now on UA-cam. Sadly, any audio or video glitches still present are likely to have been inflicted during those long years on neglect.
Judy and Liza, how rare is that?
Ive read and heard that this arrangement was very difficult to sing.... and also read that the original arrangement is actually harder to sing! can somebody tell me which version is true?
This show was a flop for Judy. It was cancelled after one year. She never made a dime from this show though she had high expectations. She looks great in this video and her voice is awesome.
(continued) i think what is happening here is more of a trick or a sort of aural farce... i've heard other people sing this song (not the exact arrangement, but very similar) and when they aren't belting the last portion, the notes and melody stay about the same, but such is the case when people belt, it generally pushes one's voice to a slightly higher pitch considering the volume of air that is expelled in a shorter time....
why would anyone hand a bird sheet music and tell them to read it to sing ?
Always SO TERRIFIC.
She should have been part of the rat pack!
Ironically enough, she was part of the Rat Pack- the original Rat Pack, which was also called the Holmby Hills Rat Pack. It was Judy, her husband Sid, and their neighbors Humphrey Bogart, Laren Bacall, as well as Frank Sinatra. The term was originated by columnist Sheila Graham, who meant it as a jibe against them because she deemed them very exclusive and always hard-partying together. But they thought it was hilarious and even gave each other titles of treasurer, president, etc of the Rat Pack. In later years Frank took the name and used it for his well-known boy's clique.