USS Tang - Guide 170 (Extended)

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  • @Drachinifel
    @Drachinifel  4 роки тому +44

    Pinned post for Q&A :)

    • @tommasobalconi
      @tommasobalconi 4 роки тому +3

      Good morning Drach, I have a kind of borderline question for you. I guess you're familiar with the Advanced Large Artillery Ship concept, or at least have an idea about what it is (basically a modern battleship); I've been wondering how feasible this concept would actually be. I know you tend to steer clear of modern warships and politics (and rightfully so), but do you think the concept would work in the modern war environment?To me the concept of the modern battleship is more about survivability in a war zone, as opposed to dish out punishment on enemy vessels, as modern weapons can reach tens of times further than a gun could, that's why it 'only' has three triple 12in turrets. Such a ship, in my opinion, would have modern electronics and radars, as well as ASW weapons such as the 3K95 Kinzhal (SA-N-9) and RBU-1000 mortars, since torpedoes pose the most significant threat, and no amount of anti-torpedo protection would effectively protect a vessel. Do you think a ship could be reasonably protected (with armour) against such weapons, missiles and shells on one hand, and torpedoes on the other?
      One more question on a side note: do you know of the series of 'incidents' that befell USN and Soviet submarines in the 1970s, when they got chewed up by Cookie-Cutter sharks? Apparently said fish considers neoprene rubber to be a fine delicacy. If you haven't, I suggest you to check out Trey the Explainer's video on the incident, it is quite amusing and informative.

    • @jakebedsaul6857
      @jakebedsaul6857 4 роки тому +4

      I recently rewatched your video on the second pacific squadron. In it you mentioned that Rozhestvensky had wanted the tsar to acquire more modern cruisers from Chile/Argentina. How might the outcome of Tsushima changed if these were sent either in place of or in addition to the Third Pacific squadron?

    • @bradyelich2745
      @bradyelich2745 4 роки тому +1

      Hi, do the Canadian WW2 warships. Won't take too much time except for HMCS Haida. Unless, you transgress to the merchant marine.

    • @nielsgeens3677
      @nielsgeens3677 4 роки тому +1

      If the washington naval conference failed and resulted in an armsrace between the anglo-Japanede and the USA, who would have won if war broke out in 1936 ?

    • @bradyelich2745
      @bradyelich2745 4 роки тому +2

      Do a show on Sir William Stephenson. He crossed the Atlantic 43 times in WW2.

  • @ayylmao9697
    @ayylmao9697 4 роки тому +479

    Celebrated independence day by liberating 2 further ships from the shackles of positive buoyancy
    -Drachinifel 2020

    • @thomas316
      @thomas316 4 роки тому +17

      Converting surface ships to submarines.

    • @ranekeisenkralle8265
      @ranekeisenkralle8265 4 роки тому +18

      @@thomas316 No. Made into permanent deep-sea observatories. Submarines can (usually) get back to the surface - which isn't the case for those ships.

    • @philippeterson7503
      @philippeterson7503 4 роки тому +6

      Loved that

    • @Knuck_Knucks
      @Knuck_Knucks 4 роки тому +10

      I know. Hilarious! Where does Drach come up this stuff. Comedic gold! I Vote funniest Ep ever!

    • @murraystewartj
      @murraystewartj 4 роки тому +9

      And this is why Drach rules! It's almost like if World at War and Monty Python had a love child.

  • @mattblom3990
    @mattblom3990 4 роки тому +94

    "New area with a higher difficulty setting" - lol.

  • @scoutdogfsr
    @scoutdogfsr 4 роки тому +14

    Submariners are an amazing breed. And people questioned my sanity for "jumping out of a perfectly good airplane" I salute these brave men.

  • @AdamosDad
    @AdamosDad 4 роки тому +11

    The men of USS Tang, hero's all. "Fair Winds and Following Seas" to the survivors and to those still on patrol.

  • @reggierico
    @reggierico 4 роки тому +2

    Imagine the stress and chaos that ensued after the errant torpedo came back around and sunk their boat, in a matter of seconds. The initial attitude of the boat was at approximately 60 degrees bow up, with the bow actually clearing the surface. Now, consider this; the remaining crew onboard knew the water depth and had the presence of mind to actually trim the boat by flooding ballast tanks forward to bring the boat to level attitude, resting on the ocean floor. They then deployed the buoy/rope to the surface and organized the possible egress through the escape trunk. BTW All modern subs still use this basic design for the escape trunk. Next, they actually were able to get over a dozen crewmen out of the forward torpedo room via the escape trunk, in small groups, until the remaining crew was probably overcome by noxious fumes from the battery fire. The cool headed bravery, dedication and professionalism of these sub crews is astounding and awe inspiring. Adm. Dick O'Kane's book, 'Clear the Bridge!' is his account of his WW2 service and chronicles his cruises on the 'Wahoo' and 'Tang'. It is must reading for anyone interested in military history.

  • @samuel5916
    @samuel5916 4 роки тому +3

    She was such a badass that literally the only ship that could sink her... was herself.
    What a fascinating story, I wouldn’t mind getting an extended version with more detail on her exploits. *hint hint* 😉

  • @WALTERBROADDUS
    @WALTERBROADDUS 4 роки тому +5

    Find 'em, Chase 'em, Sink'em......😐 Mad respect to the USS Tang and 51 sisters still on Eternal Patrol.

  • @cxb262
    @cxb262 Рік тому

    My pick for, "best U.S. Boat of the war," by a narrow margin--granted, she didn't sink a train like the Barb did, but her record in such a limited time is unbelievable.

  • @karlbrundage7472
    @karlbrundage7472 4 роки тому +1

    As Chief of the Watch, operating the Ballast Control Panel I had the privilege of "relieving (my boat) from the shackles of positive buoyancy" several times per watch................................

  • @Martian_Productions
    @Martian_Productions 4 роки тому

    I live a few minutes away from the old Mare Island dockyard. Some of the old dry-docks are still up but it's mostly abandoned factories and old bunker complexes. My great grandfather and my grandfather used to work on submarines over there decades ago.

  • @JonWMeyer
    @JonWMeyer 4 роки тому +1

    I would love to see you do an episode on the USS Wahoo if you haven't. Great work, as always.

  • @lukum55
    @lukum55 4 роки тому +7

    Still eagerly waiting for the Type VII U-boat. U-96 maybe? U-47? U-552? The Type IX would also be awesome, U-505 maybe?

  • @animal16365
    @animal16365 4 роки тому

    Drach.
    You need to have a tee shirt made with the caption
    Submarines
    Freeing surface ships from the shackles of positive Buoyancy

  • @JefRoberts
    @JefRoberts 4 роки тому +2

    How about a piece on Dutch submariners?

  • @whiskeytangosierra6
    @whiskeytangosierra6 4 роки тому

    Excellent presentation. Liberated from the clutches of flotation...

  • @fakharhaider6269
    @fakharhaider6269 4 роки тому +2

    Richard O'Kane's book "Clear the Bridge!!" is a fantastic read,, compared to the german submariners, the U.S guys had it very good, atleast when food and water is concerned.. the crew of the Tang even had an ice cream machine that was supposed to go a battleship!, again, highly recommend to read that book..

    • @webbtrekker534
      @webbtrekker534 4 роки тому

      There are very few benefits you can give submarine crews to do the jobs they have to do. Food was one of the things they could have. Ice cream machines were common and still are to this day. What else could you give men who volunteers to get sealed in a sewer-pipe and then sunk in the ocean months at a time? The best food possible! More pay!

  • @workingguy6666
    @workingguy6666 4 роки тому +1

    4:05 - simply the best US Navy uniform ever. I'm still confused to why they went away from it and haven't revisited tan.

  • @tryithere
    @tryithere 4 роки тому

    Incredible.

  • @webbtrekker534
    @webbtrekker534 4 роки тому +1

    A young member of Tang's crew was a black cook named Rubin MacNiel Raiford. Raiford had joined the navy at age 13 and had served on two other submarines before transferring to Tang. His age had been discovered and he was due to sail back to the USA but somehow he ended back on Tang. When Tang sank he died with his shipmates at the old age of 15! He is probably the youngest US Submariner to die in WW II.
    pigboats.com/features2.html Scroll 2/3 of the way down the page.

  • @brentbean7903
    @brentbean7903 3 роки тому

    Great book written by OKaine called clear the deck.

  • @turbowolf302
    @turbowolf302 4 роки тому +41

    ....shouldn't that be 34 ships she sunk? Seeing as she kinda DID torpedo.....herself.

    • @ranekeisenkralle8265
      @ranekeisenkralle8265 4 роки тому +8

      True, but I think friendly fire incidents are not counted - for morale reasons I suppose.

    • @turbowolf302
      @turbowolf302 4 роки тому +3

      @@ranekeisenkralle8265 I dunno. Friendly fire, at least to my uneducated ass, insinuates you shot someone else.
      ...now you got me wondering if shooting yourself in the foot constitutes Friendly Fire.

    • @Shenaldrac
      @Shenaldrac 4 роки тому

      Do submarines count as ships?

    • @ShadrachVS1
      @ShadrachVS1 4 роки тому

      @@Shenaldrac yes, they have Captains. If they were boats they would be driven by enlisted men.

    • @kellybreen5526
      @kellybreen5526 4 роки тому +1

      @@Shenaldrac No. They are boats. Ships carry boats on them and subs only carry rafts. It is a technical and disputed point of definition.

  • @rpbajb
    @rpbajb 4 роки тому

    "...the Tang and her crew had less than two years of World War II left to run, so they'd have to get 'stuck in' if they wanted to make an impression." 0:59 Now, now Drac, this is a family show.

  • @MrMasterCGO
    @MrMasterCGO 4 роки тому +2

    decisive tang victory

  • @kefkaZZZ
    @kefkaZZZ 2 роки тому

    It’s like playing Valeting Battle Stations: Pacific in Easy Mode.

  • @bretfranklin2558
    @bretfranklin2558 2 роки тому

    And while being "rescued" by the Japanese a Japanese sailor cut the line of the small buoy attached to the Tang thereby helping to hide the location of the sunken boat, as told in "The bravest man".

  • @Tank50us
    @Tank50us 2 роки тому

    So... what you're saying Drac, is that Tang was doing so well, that the devs nerfed her with the new torpedo

  • @BlindMansRevenge2002
    @BlindMansRevenge2002 3 роки тому

    My goodness, that loan submarine almost took out the entire Japanese merchant marine by itself

  • @123Dunebuggy
    @123Dunebuggy 4 роки тому +1

    If i didnt love ships, i would view your videos just for the humor.

  • @thisislesbomaya
    @thisislesbomaya 4 роки тому

    OMG the quadrakill addition

  • @martinmdl6879
    @martinmdl6879 2 роки тому

    Great.

  • @leighrate
    @leighrate 4 роки тому +1

    That's a name & hull number that should be in continuous commission.

    • @BatteryH1862
      @BatteryH1862 4 роки тому +1

      Dick O'Kane's cribbage board is always kept on the USN's oldest active duty submarine. When it is decommissioned, the board is transferred with ceremony to the nmnext oldest sub.

    • @BatteryH1862
      @BatteryH1862 4 роки тому

      In addition, USS Tang is still listed as "on patrol."

    • @DavidConnor
      @DavidConnor 4 роки тому

      Second Tang SS-563. Yes some names should continue.

  • @hoppish088
    @hoppish088 2 роки тому

    Ah 1944, and Bu Ord has finally got the bugs out of the Mk 14 torpedo.

  • @johnball4983
    @johnball4983 4 роки тому

    I'd be very interested to see a video based on the K Class destroyers. I.e. HMS Kelly, commanded by Mountbatten and especially HMS Kipling which my father was serving aboard during the battle of Crete when the Kelly was sunk by Luftwaffe bombers and Kipling picked up the survivors ( including Mountbatten) of HMS Kelly and Kashmir(?)

  • @robertfousch2703
    @robertfousch2703 4 роки тому

    The USS Tang Experience at the National WW2 Museum in New Orleans is highly recommended.

  • @cpt.batteryacid8682
    @cpt.batteryacid8682 4 роки тому +9

    Do you still want the biscuits drach?
    As I left them on the Hood and we both know how that went

  • @lexmaximaguy8788
    @lexmaximaguy8788 4 роки тому

    uss tang...spreading freedom.

  • @freddieellis8449
    @freddieellis8449 4 роки тому

    Tang’s capitain was DEFINITELY a Chad Unicum.

  • @dukerrr
    @dukerrr 11 місяців тому

    Did not expect the league of legends quadra kill soundbyte

  • @johnrose3405
    @johnrose3405 4 роки тому

    Hopefully you’ll be able to still make it to the states with all the stuff happening worldwide...

  • @swampyankee
    @swampyankee 4 роки тому +1

    Wasn't the Tang the first sub to conduct a rocket attack? Also Drach I served aboard a US Coast Guard 255' cutter (CGC Androscoggin)... though none of the class saw action in WWII some did see action in Nam. At only 255' as built they carried 4 5"guns in twin turrets and rumored to be the most heavily armed vessel by tonnage. Aside from that they had an innovative propulsion plant.

    • @terencetan236
      @terencetan236 4 роки тому +1

      Gregg Champlin think first rocket Attack was by the Barb. Another legendary boat.

    • @swampyankee
      @swampyankee 4 роки тому

      @@terencetan236 Thanks

    • @swampyankee
      @swampyankee 4 роки тому +1

      @@terencetan236 Should've looked it up... you are correct... USS Barb, Capt Fluckey commanding. Have his book "Thunder Below"... they also blew up a train.

    • @terencetan236
      @terencetan236 4 роки тому +1

      Gregg Champlin Fluckey aka The Galloping Ghost of the China Coast. There are some videos here on UA-cam about the Barb.

  • @jeffpittel6926
    @jeffpittel6926 4 роки тому

    I heard it's support ship was named Poon.

  • @Philistine47
    @Philistine47 4 роки тому

    One dislike from an ex-IJN subchaser crewman still salty about being less efficient killers of USN submarines - and submariners - than the USN Bureau of Ordnance.

  • @casparcoaster1936
    @casparcoaster1936 4 роки тому

    gosh (goddamn) that was good, many thanks

  • @joeperson4792
    @joeperson4792 4 роки тому

    There's an audiobook that mentions the Tang on u-tube: The enemy below. Check it out for some interesting stories on US boats.

  • @scottmacdonald1877
    @scottmacdonald1877 3 роки тому

    Balau Class, Gato Class....US submarines accounted for 80% of tonnage sank in the Pacific in WWII. Including warships... A one in three/four ratio for survivability.....

  • @Moredread25
    @Moredread25 4 роки тому +1

    Is it appropriate that i'm here one minute after upload because that's how long Tang takes to make?

  • @donaldrex0495
    @donaldrex0495 4 роки тому

    She was just too accurate with them torpedoes man tragic

  • @sniperboom1202
    @sniperboom1202 4 роки тому

    *uses 4 torpedoes*
    "Sir do you think we used to much?"
    "No"

  • @John-ru5ud
    @John-ru5ud 4 роки тому

    Did the US torpedo establishment receive an award from the IJN?

  • @christianoliver6980
    @christianoliver6980 4 роки тому

    Wahoo sounds hilarious, but it is actually a large fast fish in the mackerel family

  • @ditto1958
    @ditto1958 4 роки тому

    Royal Navy subs? Don’t know anything about the subject. Can you do something on them?

  • @MM22966
    @MM22966 4 роки тому

    In other news, the entire Mk18 design team suffered a series of mysterious & gruesomely accidental deaths postwar while Cmdr O'Kane and the Tang's survivors were on leave...(If there was any justice in the world)

  • @the_uglysteve6933
    @the_uglysteve6933 4 роки тому +3

    Now the weekend has started!

  • @larrytischler570
    @larrytischler570 4 роки тому

    Sinking all those tankers and cargo ships were the reason Japan was doing so poorly in the later stages of the war. They did not have enough fuel to train new pilots for anything but kamikaze flights which was rudimentary training. And their larger ships did not go out much because of lack of fuel.

    • @misterjag
      @misterjag 4 роки тому

      And Curtis LeMay's Operation Starvation helped.

    • @larrytischler570
      @larrytischler570 4 роки тому

      @@misterjag what was LeMay supposed to do? Drop them rice cakes on alternate missions? If you talked to as many who were involved with Japan raping and pillaging their Far East and Pacific lands as I have, LeMay would be called a white knight by you.

  • @trevortrevortsr2
    @trevortrevortsr2 4 роки тому

    A ships value is in how successful it is - this one must rate up there with the Warspite - I am often amused by folk who praise things like the Yamamoto which in reality swallowed up resources and fuel at a time when Japan could ill afforded it - if I never knew better I'd say the Yamamoto was a devilish Anglo-American plot : )

    • @Axterix13
      @Axterix13 4 роки тому +1

      You're mixing up the Admiral and the ship/class ;)
      But yeah, the Yamatos were a bit of a double edged sword. In theory, a good way to get ahead of the opposition without them realizing it (as the allies didn't know just how big it was until after the war). But in practice, a bit of a waste by the changing nature of warfare, coupled with being too big risk, so they never really saw action when they could have made a difference. Imagine if they'd been used at Guadalcanal...

  • @johnnash5118
    @johnnash5118 4 роки тому

    We were fortunate the axis powers didn’t have Britain’s hedgehog anti-sub depth charges.

  • @dennyjay4252
    @dennyjay4252 3 роки тому

    It is pronounced Trook spelled Truk

  • @biscuitninja
    @biscuitninja 4 роки тому

    USS Tang heard about The Samuel B Roberts ...

  • @yapvoonyee1778
    @yapvoonyee1778 3 місяці тому

    I mean does sinking yourself count as a ship sunk? I think that it should.

  • @scotiadrake4245
    @scotiadrake4245 4 роки тому +368

    Liberating two more ships from the shackles of positive buoyancy?
    Honestly Drach, quite droll. Bravo

    • @LiftOffLife
      @LiftOffLife 4 роки тому +4

      🤣😂😂😂😂😂

    • @1977Yakko
      @1977Yakko 4 роки тому

      That gave me a hearty guffaw!

    • @yes_head
      @yes_head 4 роки тому +8

      Drach and droll, that's how he rolls...

    • @buckfaststradler4629
      @buckfaststradler4629 4 роки тому +1

      Almost as droll as drowning in burning fuel oil

    • @rooksfoot1184
      @rooksfoot1184 4 роки тому +5

      Sudden existance failure...is still my favourite...but thats a close second

  • @ayylmao9697
    @ayylmao9697 4 роки тому +347

    The US Navy's torpedo department in WW2 is one of the greatest unsolved mysteries known to mankind

    • @nebufabu
      @nebufabu 4 роки тому +65

      Well, Drach _did_ try to explain it... ua-cam.com/video/eQ5Ru7Zu_1I/v-deo.html Although the theory that it was possessed by the ghost of the Kamchatka is alsio attractive...

    • @jwenting
      @jwenting 4 роки тому +63

      it's a prime lesson in the dangers of bureaucratic overreach, sadly lost on current government organisations and large corporate departments (Boeing, cough, cough) worldwide.

    • @ShadrachVS1
      @ShadrachVS1 4 роки тому +29

      Never attribute to evil intent, that which can be explained by bureaucratic stupidity.

    • @brotlowskyrgseg1018
      @brotlowskyrgseg1018 4 роки тому +27

      @@nebufabu It's definetly not unreasonable to suspect that, upon further investigating the cause for the egregious mismanagement at the Bureau of Ordnance, the trail of incompetence will lead back all the way to the Tsushima Strait, possibly in the form of binoculars scattered across the ocean floor.

    • @calvingreene90
      @calvingreene90 4 роки тому +20

      It is just a demonstration of why militaries must be diligent in removing stupid energetic officers from their ranks.

  • @ahmetserdarunal8229
    @ahmetserdarunal8229 4 роки тому +607

    She was so successful that she even wanted the privilege of sunking the USN's most successful submarine.

    • @francistaylor1822
      @francistaylor1822 4 роки тому +65

      wonder if they counter her own tonnage in the total

    • @DisSabot
      @DisSabot 4 роки тому +29

      I feel bad for laughing...

    • @dubspool
      @dubspool 4 роки тому +30

      Yeah but did the Tang sink a train?

    • @BatteryH1862
      @BatteryH1862 4 роки тому +12

      @@dubspool alas, there were no trains in her patrol areas. She did shell a Japanese position though.

    • @Deevo037
      @Deevo037 4 роки тому +4

      @@dubspool You've been watching Operation Petticoat. We sunk a truck! ua-cam.com/video/GpEcU0OEzhc/v-deo.html

  • @Front-Toward-Enemy
    @Front-Toward-Enemy 4 роки тому +119

    Uss Tang: You get a torpedo, you get a torpedo and you get a torpedo.
    Crew: Haha Lol
    Uss Tang: And we get a torpedo
    Crew: Haha..... Wait.

  • @lezardvaleth2304
    @lezardvaleth2304 4 роки тому +138

    6:43 "firing torpedoes in all directions'
    I'm sorry, am I the only who imagined a sub spinning wildly on all its axes a la The Last Starfighter's Death Blossom?

    • @Islander0711
      @Islander0711 4 роки тому +8

      too funny.....made me have a coughing fit.

    • @davidmcmanamy1386
      @davidmcmanamy1386 4 роки тому +3

      I was thinking the same thing my friend! lol

    • @laytonlacorte8107
      @laytonlacorte8107 4 роки тому +3

      I was more thinking like Willem Dafoe in Boondock Saints... "THERE WAS A FIREFIIIIIIIGGGGHHHTT!!!!"

    • @belliott538
      @belliott538 4 роки тому +5

      Death Blossom - A rather Fittingly Japanese-esk Name...

    • @samuelmatheson9655
      @samuelmatheson9655 4 роки тому +3

      no, u wernt

  • @Kevin_Kennelly
    @Kevin_Kennelly 4 роки тому +166

    "A remarkable display of accuracy. And a minor display of overkill."
    "liberating two further ships from the shackles of positive buoyancy."
    "produced with the usual helpful sabotage of the US torpedo building establishment."

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment 4 роки тому +125

    Does USS Tang run exclusively on powdered orange juice?

    • @ShadrachVS1
      @ShadrachVS1 4 роки тому +1

      Or... did the person who invented that beverage descend from one who served upon her?

    • @ironstarofmordian7098
      @ironstarofmordian7098 4 роки тому +4

      By the Emperor! 🤦‍♂️👍

    • @vaclav_fejt
      @vaclav_fejt 4 роки тому +6

      Oh man! Tang has disappeared from my local shops about 5 years ago and I miss it.

    • @BatteryH1862
      @BatteryH1862 4 роки тому +6

      @@vaclav_fejt I know. It made for a great dishwasher cleaner.

    • @vaclav_fejt
      @vaclav_fejt 4 роки тому +5

      @@BatteryH1862 I used to snort that stuff as a kid. My nose wanted that vitamin C too.
      Mango was the best one.

  • @YouTubeIsCriminal
    @YouTubeIsCriminal 4 роки тому +62

    "Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right B, A, Start."
    -*Captain of the Tang*

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz 4 роки тому +119

    Could you do a video on the submarine HMS Venturer, being the only submarine to have sunk another while both were submerged, would be a great video to here, could even be a special.

    • @Eanki_
      @Eanki_ 4 роки тому +16

      The Tang did sunk a submerged submarine you know.

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz 4 роки тому +2

      @@Eanki_ no it didn't

    • @Eanki_
      @Eanki_ 4 роки тому +15

      @@Alex-cw3rz Tang wasn't submerged when her torpedo came back around to hit her?

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz 4 роки тому +9

      @@Eanki_ aha, Good point she did sink herself

    • @garydterhune8392
      @garydterhune8392 4 роки тому +3

      There was a US Navy submarine sink 3 Japanese submarines in 72 hours. Do not recall the name though

  • @lycossurfer8851
    @lycossurfer8851 4 роки тому +82

    @2:17 overkill is underrated.
    Considering what the US crews went through before with Mk 14's I guess they still didn't fully trust them

    • @silentotto5099
      @silentotto5099 4 роки тому +18

      Actually, O'Kane had enjoyed mostly good luck with Mk 14's during his time as first officer on USS Wahoo. They completed a number of successful patrols and had suffered few dud torpedoes. It seems that his skipper, Cdr. "Mush" Morton, had a habit of firing his torpedoes once the Japanese ships were a bit past 90 degrees angle-on-bow, causing them to strike the target at an angle. Coincidentally, that just happened to be the angle at which the Mk 14 was least likely to fail. So, he personally probably wasn't as jaundiced about the Mk 14 as some other skippers were.
      The successful patrols of USS Wahoo and a few other submarines was one of the things which hindered the navy in identifying that the Mk 14 had a problem for so long. Some skippers would return from patrol reporting dud torpedoes, while guys like Morton came back reporting that they seem to be working fine and handing in the sinking claims to prove it. This led the navy to conclude that the torpedo failures were most likely due to either bad aim or poor torpedo maintenance during the patrol. Eventually, and after O'Kane had moved on to his own command, even Morton started having trouble with the Mk 14's. That combined with the continuing reports of failure from other skippers is what finally prompted the navy to start testing more rigorously and discovering the Mk 14's flaws. By the time O'Kane sailed in command of USS Tang, the problems the Mk 14 had were resolved, at least to the extent that they ever were.
      Of course, I'm sure he took his hatred of the Mk 18 torpedo to his grave.

    • @fernandomarques5166
      @fernandomarques5166 4 роки тому +4

      @@silentotto5099 Thats called a constant bearing attack, periscoped at 10° off the bow bearing, must know targets speed. You shoot when the target crosses the scope. No matter the range of the shot is almost a garanteed hit.

  • @nebufabu
    @nebufabu 4 роки тому +114

    Random thought/request: Early steam turbines and Charles Parsons. I mean it's a real-life sci-fi story that unfortunately isn't widely known, and would be perfect for Drachinifel treatment...

    • @whatsoperadoc7050
      @whatsoperadoc7050 4 роки тому +3

      If you join Drach's Patreon you can nominate this to be voted on by other patrons.

    • @lostinpa-dadenduro7555
      @lostinpa-dadenduro7555 4 роки тому +1

      That sounds very interesting. 👍

    • @czarfore
      @czarfore 4 роки тому +2

      Didn't Parsons disrupt a RN review with an experimental boat called the Turbinia?

    • @nebufabu
      @nebufabu 4 роки тому

      @@czarfore Yes. That's the best-known part. But then there's also the whole sinking of the HMS Cobra affair (My favourite factoid about it is that after that RN never named ships after snakes, just to be sure) and before either of those, the matter of him spending years not actually having rights to build his own turbines and trying all kinds of workarounds (he finally managed to buy the patent back) and of course, all the engineering that went into making the turbines actually work on a ship.

  • @issacfoster1113
    @issacfoster1113 4 роки тому +84

    She sunk the most successful submarine in the US navy
    By Herself

    • @Alpostpone
      @Alpostpone 4 роки тому +7

      No other ships would've been worthy of sinking USS Tang.

  • @ThomasAffoltertevis
    @ThomasAffoltertevis 4 роки тому +50

    American submarines are truly one of the most underdressed aspects of WW2. The American sub fleet was superb, and it accomplished what the Germans did not: bringing a powerful island nation to its knees through commerce warfare.

    • @sniper.93c14
      @sniper.93c14 3 роки тому +9

      Arguably the Allied Powers had far more investment in convoy escorts and developing a convoy system than the japanese did, so it was probably an easier job to do.

    • @JahBronee
      @JahBronee 3 роки тому +8

      To be fair, the IJN didn't have near the ASW capabilities of the US and Britain.

    • @tequila_tibbs7938
      @tequila_tibbs7938 Рік тому

      Not comparable. Germans were the avant garde and after 42 face vastly superior enemy than the Japanese. Benign in a sub in the Atlantic after 43 was basically suicide

  • @csours
    @csours 4 роки тому +83

    I'm just imagining a submarine singing:
    "Under the sea
    Darling it's better
    Down where it's wetter!"
    and convincing a surface ship to join them.

  • @pf6797
    @pf6797 4 роки тому +105

    “The Shackles of Positive Buoyancy”
    I really needed a laugh this morning Drach, so thank you.

  • @rpbajb
    @rpbajb 4 роки тому +86

    The story of the Tang is one of the most interesting in WW2. Dick O'Kane wrote a book about it, "Clear the Bridge", which is well worth reading.
    So rig for dive and take her down
    Go down down underneath the ocean
    Fearless men will find renoun
    In the deep blue underneath the sea

    • @KJAkk
      @KJAkk 4 роки тому +7

      I have O'Kane's other book "Wahoo" on my book shelf.

    • @JohnRodriguesPhotographer
      @JohnRodriguesPhotographer 2 роки тому

      I have this book, excellent!

    • @lorenbillings721
      @lorenbillings721 2 роки тому

      I've now read both of Dick O'Kane's books: excellent.

  • @EradWir
    @EradWir 4 роки тому +54

    Quadrakill Drach your great

  • @jnelchef
    @jnelchef 4 роки тому +98

    A little story, when I was about 14 (1980 IIRC), my family took a vacation to Maine. In a little bookstore on the water, I found Dick O'Kane's book "Clear the Bridge". I had become enamored with "Run Silent, Run Deep" and the follow on "Dust on the Sea" and immediately fixated on O'Kane's book. The woman who owned the store came over and spoke with me about it. She told me her brother was the navigation officer on the Tang when she went down and he never made it back. That was my awakening that life was not all wine and roses and that men died to keep us free. "Clear the Bridge" has always had a special place in my library ever since and every few years I bring it out and read it again. Thank you for this video on one of the special ones.

    • @mrpagrant
      @mrpagrant 4 роки тому +3

      If you read the first 2 books in Captain Beach's trilogy, (Run Silent, Run Deep & Dust on the Sea), did you ever read the third, "Cold is the Sea"?

    • @jnelchef
      @jnelchef 4 роки тому +1

      @@mrpagrant Yes, I have! The one about nuclear submarines under the ice. I've also read his account of the Triton's journey around the world submerged.

    • @condorboss3339
      @condorboss3339 4 роки тому +2

      Have you read Clay Blair's _Silent Victory_ ? It's very heavy on the statistics, but an essential guide to the submarine campaign against Japan in WW2.

    • @jnelchef
      @jnelchef 4 роки тому +2

      @@condorboss3339 I've read about 1/3 of it, I need to go back to it. Maybe with all this "social distancing"...

    • @rpbajb
      @rpbajb 4 роки тому

      @@mrpagrant My favorite book by Ned Beach is "Submarine!". Admittedly dramatic in its combat descriptions, it is nonetheless a rare intimate view of life aboard in WWII.

  • @asbjo
    @asbjo 4 роки тому +81

    "Tang" in danish means "Seaweed"
    Too bad for the Japanese that Round-Up doesn't work on submarines.

    • @Sturminfantrist
      @Sturminfantrist 4 роки тому +2

      Asbjörn, Tang Its in German , Seaweed

    • @ShadrachVS1
      @ShadrachVS1 4 роки тому

      That explains why it was so successful then... the Japanese thought it was coming to help them turn Rice into onigiri or other foods.

    • @asbjo
      @asbjo 4 роки тому +4

      @@Sturminfantrist Germanic language tree languages have a lot of similarities. :)

    • @raymondleggs5508
      @raymondleggs5508 4 роки тому +3

      Round up works on people unfortunately

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us 4 роки тому

      Dudum Dis

  • @edfrawley4356
    @edfrawley4356 4 роки тому +39

    The US Navy in its infinite wisdom had decided to name its submarines after fish. Thus you get names like Tang and Wahoo. I think it deserves to be mentioned that O'Kane learned his craft at the side of his skipper Mush Morgan on the Wahoo where O'Kane served as the first officer and personally calculated many of the torpedo shots made by that sub. O'Kane's assignment to the Tang was largely due to the training he received from Morton and was fortuitous as shortly after his transfer the Wahoo was lost without a trace.

    • @patrickmccrann991
      @patrickmccrann991 4 роки тому +9

      Not without a trace. She was sunk by Japanese ASW forces in La Perouse Strait exiting the Sea of Japan. Most likely struck mines when she was forced down by aircraft. Witnesses saw two large underwater explosions shortly after she submerged.

    • @condorboss3339
      @condorboss3339 4 роки тому +3

      @@patrickmccrann991 According to the infallible wikipedia, the wreck of the _Wahoo_ was found in 2005 and identified in 2006.

    • @patrickmccrann991
      @patrickmccrann991 4 роки тому +7

      Nope, Japanese records disclosed her location and outcome right after the war. 05/06 was first time she was located by sonar, but her general location was already known.

    • @condorboss3339
      @condorboss3339 4 роки тому +7

      @@patrickmccrann991 Sorry. Misread your earlier comment as implying the _Wahoo_ had not been located.

  • @MAXLD
    @MAXLD 4 роки тому +21

    - So, gentlemen, what new designs you have to reinforce our Subs arsenal?
    - Not much, sir.... well, unless we count that boomerang torpedo project we made for the lulz.
    - Sure, whatever, I'll take it.

  • @nitehawk86
    @nitehawk86 4 роки тому +26

    USS Tang: I'm teaching them a lesson about spacing.

    • @Crazyfrog41
      @Crazyfrog41 4 роки тому +1

      Is that a womble reference, I spy?

  • @karldzioba6963
    @karldzioba6963 4 роки тому +17

    After being (self) torpedo'ed, the Tang's stern hit bottom, with her bow sticking up above the surface. The remaining crew, then flooded the forward ballast tanks, dropping the bow to the sea floor so she would lay flat, and would make her harder to find by the probing destroyers above. They then rode out a depth charge, and ascended to the surface using the forward escape trunk. CDR O'Kane and the rest of the bridge crew were thrown overboard by the explosion.

  • @richmcgee434
    @richmcgee434 4 роки тому +18

    I'd call this boat an overachiever, but y'know, she was just trying to live up to legacy the USS Johnston left behind. Can't let the tin cans have all the fun.

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 4 роки тому +1

      Rich McGee
      I’d argue she way exceeded that destroyer in that regard.

    • @vikkimcdonough6153
      @vikkimcdonough6153 3 місяці тому

      She sank on the same day as the _Johnston._
      Coincidence? I think not...

  • @Teguvas
    @Teguvas 4 роки тому +23

    Did the tonnage include herself?

  • @admiraltiberius1989
    @admiraltiberius1989 4 роки тому +18

    Ahhh yes the Tang....a wonderfully flavored powdered drink.
    Oh wait sorry...this is about the fantastic submarine who tried to sink the entire Japanese Navy.
    As well as create many many new artificial reefs.

  • @sarjim4381
    @sarjim4381 4 роки тому +23

    I had the privilege of meeting Admiral O'Kane at a book signing for his second book about USS Wahoo. I had come to the bookstore just before closing and thought I was too late to get my copy of "Clear The Bridge" signed as well but, luckily of me, Admiral O'Kane was still there, and he spent about 25 minutes chatting with me after I let him know I was a great admirer of submarines in general and him and "Mush" Morton in particular. One subject we talked about was his ability to pick officers that performed so well during his command of the Tang. He said he had two criteria - how well the officer played cribbage and bridge. Playing the candidate a game of cribbage, and having him be his partner in a bridge game gave him immediate feedback on his ability to think tactically, plan strategically, go in for the kill at the right time, and remain pleasant for the whole game. Since I play both games, that struck me as a brilliant employment test, and there were a few times I surprised people applying for management positions in my own firm when I hauled out a cribbage board from my desk drawer!

    • @seadog686
      @seadog686 Рік тому

      While Kane was playing Cribbage and Bridge in the wardroom, the enlisted guys were playing Acey-Ducey back aft on the tables in the crew's mess.

  • @BarryT1000
    @BarryT1000 4 роки тому +11

    Mush Morton, the CO of Wahoo, was unusual in that he let his executive officer man the periscope during an attack while he (Morton) concentrated on the big picture (evaluated what was happening with all the contacts, checked the plots and the torpedo data computer, and maneuvered the boat to get into a firing position). This O’Kane was uniquely experienced when he took command of Tang. One of his fellow POWs was the legendary Pappy Boyington who also received the Medal of Honor.

    • @stanklepoot
      @stanklepoot 4 роки тому +2

      We have an industrial park called Wahoo Drive nearby. Technically, the area is called Wahoo Drive, but the company built the area so they could build the park. I believe the son of the guy who had it built served on the Wahoo. The Wahoo's screw and one of its torpedoes serve as a monument to the boat at the entrance to the park.

  • @DeadBaron
    @DeadBaron 4 роки тому +18

    "Celebrated independance day by liberating two futher ships from the shackles of positive buoyancy" As an American that has to be the most patriotic sentence I've ever heard o7

  • @tcofield1967
    @tcofield1967 4 роки тому +19

    Amazing ship. O'Kane learned a lot from Morton, a very aggressive, if not controversial sub captain.

  • @kevinhennessey3189
    @kevinhennessey3189 4 роки тому +7

    My Father served on subs during WW2, I heard about Wahoo and Tang when a young boy, also Sam Dealey who commanded Harder.

  • @sawyerawr5783
    @sawyerawr5783 4 роки тому +11

    any time I hear "small targets presenting themselves" in relation to a fleet boat I can't help it: my Silent Hunter 4 instincts kick in and I literally just say "Why use the gun? Just ram them!"
    (for those who have never played it, ramming sampans in SH4 is more amusing that it really should be). Excellent video as always!

    • @sawyerawr5783
      @sawyerawr5783 4 роки тому

      @Yar Nunya if you ever can, find Hualien on Taiwan: It's not named so I don't think it's active correctly: the two guard ships just sit there. I literally charged in firing my deck gun once just to be stupid XD

  • @mogaman28hm9
    @mogaman28hm9 4 роки тому +7

    I love how he accepted that japanese sailor beating like a champ.

  • @josephglatz25
    @josephglatz25 4 роки тому +6

    Could you do a guide to the USS Silversides SS-236? She's in my hometown, a long way from the ocean btw, but she's in great shape and she's one of the top scoring WWII US subs preserved.

  • @chrismaverick9828
    @chrismaverick9828 4 роки тому +5

    I'm currently reading through "Clear the Bridge!" for the third time. Excellent read in all respects. If Edward Beach's "Run Silent, Run Deep" and "Dust on the Sea" epitomize WWII submarine action, Dick O'Kane underpins them with the cold reality that Beach compiled into his own fictional tale. This clip was an effective summary of the Tang's war patrols, but the essence is in the details, which you have to read the book for.

  • @patriley9449
    @patriley9449 9 місяців тому +2

    I met Admiral O Kane not long before he passed away. This was at his granddaughter's house. She was married to one of my best friends. He sadly suffered from dementia, although he died from pneumonia and passed not long after I met him. His granddaughter and grandson as well as his wife, daughter and grandchildren went to see the launching of the USS O Kane, a new destroyer, in 1999. He was a true hero.

  • @Farmer-bh3cg
    @Farmer-bh3cg 3 роки тому +2

    I'm late to this video but there are three points I'd like to offer.
    1) A well regarded WWII submariner stated on the record that, regarding torpedo performance, there were people at BUORD who were CULPABLY negligent in carrying out their duties.
    2) O'Kane in his book stated that he conducted his own test depth experiments by "stepping down" submergence depth to 712 feet. The thick hulled boats were built to a test depth of 600 feet but were limited to 400 feet due to noisy and ineffective trim/bilge pumps and shaft seals.
    3) Sadly later in life Admiral O'Kane suffered from Alzheimer's disease. His wife would take him for walks along the beach. He would look out over the ocean and mutter "Must get them out - Must get them out"
    A further note: O'Kane gave his fiancé a ring for Valentines Day 1936. She lost the ring in the surf at Waikiki a year later. Completely by accident, it was found by a person using a metal detector and returned to her and Adm O'Kane in 1985.

  • @phillipdarley5206
    @phillipdarley5206 4 роки тому +5

    "Celebrated Independence Day by liberating two further ships from the shackles of positive buoyancy"
    Thank you so much for such wonderfully-memorable lines :)

  • @mochaholic3039
    @mochaholic3039 4 роки тому +2

    Give the USS Albacore some love. That sub's one of the better known US submarines in Asia, but is relatively unknown in it's own country compared to Tang and Wahoo.

  • @scottdrone-silvers5179
    @scottdrone-silvers5179 4 роки тому +10

    Legendary. Sad that most of her crew didn’t make it home...