Were the italian torpedo boats like the spica class worth it? Given the treaty limits on destroyers and their weight class being unlimited were they a good value for money in ww2.
Is it true that the IJN alone was capable of torpedo reloads at sea? Please go thru the process. Where were the reloads stored, how long did reloading take, was sea state a factor? Good episode. Thanks Drach.
@leftcoaster67 And a reasonably capable one, but (like her Allied contemporaries) pointless and obsolete on launch with the demise of the entire battleship concept.
A ship with land attack / bombardment capability is different from a battleship which was to rule the waves. The Zumwald were supposed to have some of that land attack capability and then ... got massively. expensive.
The bit about the infamous 25mm guns reminds me of a Simpsons episode. "You're going to receive more anti-aircraft weapons." Fubuki: "That's good!" "They're the type 96." Fubuki: "That's bad." "But they'll be in triple mounts for better concentration of firepower." Fubuki: "That's... adequate." "But we'll have to remove one of your gun turrets to give you the space and weight." FubukiL "That's bad." "Yes, but this way you're a bit less top heavy." Fubuki: "That's good." "But you'll look even more like a lolibote and Ark Royal will perv on you." Fubuki: "...Can I go, now?"
@@bkjeong4302 We did some later in the war, although Ark Royal herself had been sunk by then. Ironically, she was the one designed for Pacific operations without the armoured flight deck.
Make no mistake: in the late twenties, the Fubuki class DDs were the best of their class in the world. They were still a nasty handful by the time the war broke out. They could have been better in the AAW and ASW roles but, were powerful destroyers.
James Savik Pretty much. For a design that was almost two decades older than the Fletchers they were quite capable, and pretty much rendered all previous DD classes obsolete.
It's generally agreed that Fubuki is the mother of the modern destroyer, just like Dreadnought was the mother of the modern battleship. Which, of course, gets all sorts of hilarious play in Kancolle fandom. "...but I'm not old enough to have thousands of children!"
Even setting aside the likelyhood that an enemy ship would be preserved, the Guadalcanal meatgrinder put paid to many of the Special-types in waters where they couldn't be recovered
Yukikaze of the Kagero class did survive the war and was operated by the Republic of China Navy for a number of years and then scrapped. Her anchor is displayed at the Japanase Maritime Self Defense Force Academy at Etijima (please excuse the spelling).
@@AtomicBabel Did Jiang Kai Shek refused the partition to take Yukikaze home from Taiwan after she capsized, because he want to flip one last middle finger at Japan before he died?
I see IJN destroyers, I insta-like! Great video on the first batch of the goodest girls in WW2, the little ships that could :D Looking forward to Shiratsuyu and Kagerou class
Destroyers fascinate me. Multipurpose platforms that often get overlooked despite their usefulness and lethality. Lots of experimentation and technology advancement.
Looked like they would have "rolled in a bathtub" , but were formidable warships. Anything up to the biggest super-dreadnought that came into the range of a long lance torpedo was in a lot of trouble.
the IJN had some very interesting and innovative designs. the torpedo cruisers kitakami and oi for example. numerous 24inch torpedo turrets. and they had the first real LSD . also the i400 submarine. their ships were designed to fit the wave lengths of the pacific and had that unique bow and drop away stern, to drain water and save weight. and then there were the seaplane carriers and minelaying cruisers. so much to cover .
Had to double check the length of the video to make sure it was indeed 9 minutes and not 9 hours (as would have been fitting given recent video lengths)
Two points. One I am quoting a Us sub commander who had to deal with them (Commander Uss Halibut). Two IJN Asw was weak but it still managed to kill 50 US submarines.
@@markyoung317 "Take Her Deep!" was the name of Admiral Galatin's book - and when Drach covers magnetic anomaly detection vis a vis ASW, he will need to research what happened to USS Halibut on her tenth (and last) war patrol...
Ushio Has A particularly interesting Service History of Rescue (both Japanese and Allied sailors) valor in surface, bombardment, anti submarine, and Anti Air combat along with a particularly harrowing fire extinguishing at sea of her sister ship Akebono. There is ample material to have a lovely episode dedicated to her.
I expected an account of the service of IJN Fubuki. The exploits of an entire class of destroyers is a different story. A Japanese perspective on the naval battle of Guadalcanal, would have been a good video.
Back in the day on the Super Nintendo or Famicom playing the PTO series of games, this ship always gave me problems and I had to divert air power in order to get rid of them off the screen. When I went to the PS2 version, the first thing I did when playing as anyone but Japan was to create there counter which was a gunboat destroyer with 10 guns though only 100mm so not to stress the hull and good anti-air. Unwittingly I created the Akizuki upgrade the Harugumo that you can see in WoW. These things were always being thrown at me and taking a lot of damage throughout via there guns and torpedos. I would suggest to Drach if he wants to look at ships without playing WoW try PTO 4, on the PS2 it's surprisingly accurate and has the histories though basic of the ship.
Her 4th gun barrel was salvaged with permission issued by the Solomon Islands government, returned to Japan, restored and dedicated to Omori Shrine in Maizuru at 2020
If you need more work, please accept these requests: IJN kitakami & Oi KMS Thor KMS Penguin KMS Atlantis(well all the armed German merchants) An in depth look at both the Washington & London treaties
Got confused for a little bit when I saw the photos with name usugumo and shirakumo. Then I realized they are not in Kancolle. (meanwhile Shinonome is at least in wows)
Oh yea to anyone still watching this; none of the Special Types apart from Ushio and maybe Hibiki received the Long Lance Torpedo because their tubes were not compatible with it and most of them sank before the IJN decided to give them the torpedoes.
a certain one of the type 2 subclass of these was certainly quite successful until uss washington said "NO!" though this one was supposed to be in a 3 pronged attack on the american ships supporting the naval landings in guadacanal, ayanami had issues with the radio and couldnt communicate with the others but charged in anyways sinking several ships before being sunk by uss washington
Russ Gallagher Duke of York is the other: Bismarck comes close, but doesn’t count, as a carrier (if Germany actually had any) would have been a much better choice at Denmark Straits. The issue with battleships in WWII was that carriers were better at their intended role, and they cost too much to be strategically useful for everything else. So the only way for a battleship to justify herself would be to take down a peer opponent in conditions where carrier operations were impossible.....and that’s just Washington and Duke of York.
Its a shame even fewer of these IJN ships survived to this day than compared to their counterparts in other navies. Would have loved to walk around a fubuki or akatsuki.
Tomodzuru in the typhoon turned turtle & was towed home thus, stern first. It might have been more honorable if she had in fact sunk. This began the reconstruction of the entire IJN, completing just in time for the Pacific War (& if That isn't a name!).
The strange thing about the IJN and its use of AA guns was they had one of the best heavy AA guns, the Type 98 100 mm gun from 1940 onwards, but they armed only a few classes ships by 1945, the majority being diverted to land AA use. Prewar, they had purchased British 2 pdr pom pom guns in several batches, with at least 500 examples being on hand by 1935. These were used in single and twin mounts. The Japanese considered them only useful in smaller ships like subchasers and minesweepers after 1935, judging their 25 mm Hotchkiss design to be superior. They had also purchased examples of German 20 mm and 37 mm guns as well as Oerlikon 20 mm types. They captured at least one hundred fifty 40 mm Bofors guns after the Fall of Singapore. Even more of a windfall, they had captured another sixteen examples of the Dutch 40 mm, the most fully developed Bofors guns in the world in 1940. It's not a matter of the Japanese _only_ having 25 mm guns, it was a matter of the IJNs laser focus on torpedoes and torpedo warfare. The Japanese economy had been shattered by the Great Depression and the military spending required by the war in China. Given their limited resources, the IJN rightly decided that having the world's best torpedo, among the best torpedo mounts, and large destroyers and cruisers carrying lots of the Type 93 torpedoes was a war winning strategy. The results of such thinking in 1942 through early 1943 showed that they weren't wrong, especially combined with the IJN's almost obsessive training in night fighting. However, that was only true for surface warfare. Even though the Japanese had been among the first navies to understand the theory and use of aircraft carrier, they developed very little understanding of how to defend against the enemy's aircraft. Their limited resources didn't allow them to develop three or four different types of AA weapons, so the decision was made to mass produce the type they already had and understood how to produce. After 1942, they knew the 25 mm gun was marginal at best and started working on reverse engineering the Bofors and Oerlikon guns. By 1944, their industrial infrastructure was being cut to ribbons by US bombardments, the merchant fleet they needed to bring in steel and other critical materials was increasingly on the bottom of the sea, and they were running out of time. From postwar US reports, they had working prototypes of Bofors and Oerlikon guns ready for production, but not until June, 1945, and they didn't have the material needed for mass production in any case. It was the IJN's narrow vision of how naval warfare would develop in what became WWII that left them without an effective AA gun, not they couldn't have developed one.
The Japanese DID recognize the threat from enemy carriers; their "solution" was to just get rid of the enemy aircraft carriers first (which didn't;t work out for multiple reasons).
@@bkjeong4302 The real plan was to develop such a strong defensive line that the Americans couldn't break through without being destroyed. It wasn't just carrier aircraft that they had to defend against. From Guadalcanal forward, they had defend against our occupying islands that became unsinkable carriers. They just didn't have the fleet or resources large enough to prevent this. Every island we seized became an airbase that attacked the next island in our plan while striking at Japanese shipping. AA gunnery on ships and land became more and more important, yet the Japanese didn't seem to pay it much attention. The fighting between the Army and Navy over strategy and resources became almost as important as fighting the Allies. Regardless of how many of our carriers they could sink after the Coral Sea, we could build them faster than they could sink them. It seemed as if only Yamamoto realized what dire straits the Japanese were in by 1943, but even he couldn't convince the General Staff of the necessity of a defensive war after the disaster at Midway.
Sar Jim I am not disagreeing about the Japanese lack of resources or them having to deal with land-based aircraft. The point was that the lack of Japanese attention to AA was mostly due to them focusing on preventing air attacks rather than stopping air attacks.
@@bkjeong4302 YOu're right that the Japanese were focused on the "decisive attack". I don't think that was ever their exclusive plan for dealing with enemy air attacks. If it ever was, that plan was dashed after Midway. Nevertheless, the Army and Navy continued to fight about who'd develop things like radar first. There was no serious attempt to reverse engineer the Bofors gun until 1944. Rather than evacuating men from isolated islands for use in strategically more defensive areas, they continued fruitless attempts to resupply those troops, apparently believing that the US would somehow double back and attack them. By the time a decision had been made to withdraw them, it was too late, and many of those poor guys slowly starved to death. They didn't put serious efforts into developing more powerful aero motors for fighters than the one that already existed in the Zero because of the "decisive battle" delusion. With the appearance of the Hellcat and, worse, the Corvair, it was a mad scramble to develop in 1943/44 what should have been done in 1940, when they still had resources and manpower to do it. The Japanese plan for the "decisive battle" was not the destruction of the US fleet, just to cause enough damage and deaths that US would sue for an armistice. Yamamoto knew the only hope for such an event was a series of bold strikes early on. If the damage to the US fleet in 1942 wasn't enough to bring America to its knees, he knew only a long, protracted war would have an chance for the US suing for peace. He had been advocating for a defensive plan since before Pearl Harbor but he was generally ignored. The IJN never seemed to understand that unrestricted submarine warfare against US merchant shipping was the only hope for weakening the fleet and the troops ashore. By the time even the Army and General Staff were convinced that no "decisive battle", or at least not one in favor of the IJN, was going to happen and defense was the only option, it was far too late for any defensive plan to work.
Jingles grinding CVs gave me a new idea for an initiative to incentivise WG to #FixCVs some more. To celebrate the wonderful CV rework, let's get all the best players, streamers, youtubers and CCs to *only play CVs the next patch.* All day every day. The goal is to have three CVs in as many games as possible. Call it *#MonthOfTheCV**.* Spread the word.
A book that might be a very good read DescriptionThe American Black Chamber is a 1931 book by Herbert O. Yardley. The book describes the inner workings of the interwar American governmental cryptography organization called the Black Chamber. America was reading the Japanese coded messages during the Washington treaty negotiations, the Japanese found out and lost their minds.
Not by 2020 after several buffs and powercreeps, sadly. Yuugumo class and Asashio Class are the go-to destroyers today. Would that reflect the real life facts that Kagerou class and Yuugumo class were built with no Treaty restriction?
Don't want to sound like -boo, but: 1. First ten units were never planned with DP main armament. We're in early 1920s, it's a bit too early. 2. Second series were first DDs with DP armament indeed, at a time, when no one even considered it seriously. (Farraguts came later, and others started to think seriously full 10 years later). Gun turrets had numerous problems at higher elevations though. (basically - apart from obvious restrictions of guns with separate loading and known problems with rigidity of turrets - gun mounts couldn't properly handle high elevation recoil). Those issues were only properly solved on D model(Yugumo and Shimakaze). 3. It should be noted, that Japanese, strangely enough, weren't stupid, and always understood restrictions of chosen gun system in AA role. They had no choice: for surface fighting, they had to install proper gun: they were expecting to be outnumbered by USN. Americans could allow themselves a compromise gun instead of 5"/51 weapon for the very same reason for which Japanese couldn't use roughly comparable 12.7cm/40 one. And even for US this choice wasn't that simple back in late 1920s-early 1930s. 4. It's worth mentioning that 3rd group is the first destroyers ever with true DP fire control. A pity early 30s AA fire control wasn't all that capable against 1940s threats, but then again, Farraguts and Mahans weren't Fletchers either. 5. 55 degrees elevation was a loss(otherwise they wouldn't try fixing it), but it's still more than anyone but the americans. So-called dp-capable L/Ms had only 50, and their turrets were basically an unsolved failure. 6. While i somewhat understand your utter hate of 25mm guns - they appeared as a uniform main AA weapon of IJN before even 28mm Chicago pianos did. Bad choice or not, it(along with its fcs) was firmly ahead of the curve in mid-late 1930s. And Japanese simply had no "switch" button like americans did. Because before 1942, japanese close-in AA just wasn't all that bad. 7. The fact that 15 year old class was relevant as frontline DDs during ww2 is a huge merit by itself. Most units of comparable age of other navies weren't capable of being frontline destroyers anymore.
8. Almost all never received Type 93 torpedoes. The only ones I've seen that actually received them is Ushio and maybe Hibiki because they survived very late into the war.
Is there any chance you could do a review of the River-class frigate, HMS Swale? My grandfather was CPO ERA on the Swale, and we think he was involved in helping the South African Navy keep the vessel running when they took it on after the war, as he was posted in Simonstown until he was demobilised.
Japanese Admiral: _"They've limited our capacity for Cruisers, Battleships, and Carriers, but they foolishly left the destroyer class monitored! We'll beat them with destroyer superiority!"_ Designer (Eyeing the Americans using Clemsons as packing peanuts): "Riiiiight."
Pinned post for Q&A :)
What do you consider to be the best Scandanavian Coastal Defence Battleship design?
Were the italian torpedo boats like the spica class worth it? Given the treaty limits on destroyers and their weight class being unlimited were they a good value for money in ww2.
Is it true that the IJN alone was capable of torpedo reloads at sea?
Please go thru the process. Where were the reloads stored, how long did reloading take, was sea state a factor?
Good episode. Thanks Drach.
How did they reload the torpedo launchers?
@@Emdiggydog I second this question
"OHAYOU BUCKY"
- Konggou
I saw that in the KanColle movie, Kongo sisters were painted as such airheads.
It's amazing how the Japanese were ahead of other nations in making sleek, futuristic looking destroyers.
Yamato is a fantastic looking battleship as well.
@leftcoaster67 And a reasonably capable one, but (like her Allied contemporaries) pointless and obsolete on launch with the demise of the entire battleship concept.
@@bkjeong4302 Don't tell Pumpkinhead that. He wants to have the US build Battleships again.
@@leftcoaster67 The US Marines actually want a big heavy gunned ship for shore bombardment.
A ship with land attack / bombardment capability is different from a battleship which was to rule the waves. The Zumwald were supposed to have some of that land attack capability and then ... got massively. expensive.
"...began entering service in thirteen thirty one."
Oh hell just imagine the medieval navies' reactions to this alien sight lol
If they actually did enter service in 1331 they could probably conquer most of the planet (discounting lack of fuel and ammunition).
That would be an interesting sight to behold
damn weebs , breaking the time continuation again ...... >_>
poi ~
Zipang but even more extreme
@@Fubuki_Kai should i read that manga?
As it was mentioned in this guide: How about an episode on WW2 torpedoes and the Long Lance in particular?
Yes!
was thinking the exact same
Also
Omg...waiting for that for a long time!!! And while Drach's at it..also cover the history of torpedoes....
@keith moore all in favor of motion say "I"; all not in favor say "No".
I. No.
"If you're vacationing in Vladivostok, try a dive on this former Japanese destroyer". I guess I take rather ordinary vacations!
Brrrrrr.
How does the wreck look like there ? up in one piece ?
I never seriously considered returning to Petropavlovsk for a vacation. I thought a port call was good enough 🤣
The bit about the infamous 25mm guns reminds me of a Simpsons episode.
"You're going to receive more anti-aircraft weapons."
Fubuki: "That's good!"
"They're the type 96."
Fubuki: "That's bad."
"But they'll be in triple mounts for better concentration of firepower."
Fubuki: "That's... adequate."
"But we'll have to remove one of your gun turrets to give you the space and weight."
FubukiL "That's bad."
"Yes, but this way you're a bit less top heavy."
Fubuki: "That's good."
"But you'll look even more like a lolibote and Ark Royal will perv on you."
Fubuki: "...Can I go, now?"
what's ark royal doing there ?
Yes, officer Enterprise, this post here
Why is a RN carrier in the Pacific?
@@bkjeong4302 We did some later in the war, although Ark Royal herself had been sunk by then. Ironically, she was the one designed for Pacific operations without the armoured flight deck.
DurhamDave SBG
By the time the British entered the Pacific the IJN basically didn’t exist....
I need to make an account called the Kamchatka and each and every time he mentions Japanese torpedo boats i gotta post xD
What a novel idea
@@theirnkamchatka3638 well done sir
@@theirnkamchatka3638 *applause*
Should do it regardless of the mention of torpedo boats. Kamchatka sure did.
I see Bucky. This will be a good morning.
"AAAH FUBUKI FUBUKI FUBUKI!!! KAWAII FUBUKI!! AAAAAH! FUBUKI FUBUKI FUBUKI FUBUKI!!!!!" xD
(Source: ua-cam.com/video/-DFx2EFt1qw/v-deo.html)
Aqua Essence I knew as soon as I read your comment what you were referring to
@@WaifuScientistGambler Fellow persons of culture, I see.
Blubertater As if my profile picture doesn’t give away I like shipgirls
We love our cute little potato.
Fubuki will do her best!
If you happen to be around Vladivostok, AND a fan of cold water.
Don't worry, the Pacific's actually warming up nicely. And turning so acidic its melting crab shells. Swings and roundabout I guess.
Make no mistake: in the late twenties, the Fubuki class DDs were the best of their class in the world. They were still a nasty handful by the time the war broke out. They could have been better in the AAW and ASW roles but, were powerful destroyers.
James Savik
Pretty much. For a design that was almost two decades older than the Fletchers they were quite capable, and pretty much rendered all previous DD classes obsolete.
It's generally agreed that Fubuki is the mother of the modern destroyer, just like Dreadnought was the mother of the modern battleship. Which, of course, gets all sorts of hilarious play in Kancolle fandom. "...but I'm not old enough to have thousands of children!"
The Fubukis set the standard for all destroyers going forward: 50 pounds (ca. 23 kg) of whup-ass in a 10 pound (4.54 kg) can.
FUBUKI DOES HER BEST
Always loved the aesthetic of the Fubukis, and IJN ships in general. Great video as always!
Wow, 24 ships produced. That's like 3 months worth of Fletcher Class production.
Less
Stop this circle jerking
Fl*tcher 🤢
@@gaiusoctavius6107 well let's see. One launch every 3 days or so. That's 10 per month (1943/44). So yes. Two and a half months.
I’m pretty sure that Fletchers replicated by mitosis when they thought no one was looking.
Fubuki, ganbarimasu!
Fubuki chan , always love to see you :)
Hey look, is Bucky!
;)
A real shame none of these ships survived to be museums. They were important to the development of destroyers.
Even setting aside the likelyhood that an enemy ship would be preserved, the Guadalcanal meatgrinder put paid to many of the Special-types in waters where they couldn't be recovered
Yukikaze of the Kagero class did survive the war and was operated by the Republic of China Navy for a number of years and then scrapped. Her anchor is displayed at the Japanase Maritime Self Defense Force Academy at Etijima (please excuse the spelling).
@@AtomicBabel
Did Jiang Kai Shek refused the partition to take Yukikaze home from Taiwan after she capsized, because he want to flip one last middle finger at Japan before he died?
Most of them are still around, just a bit underwater.
I second that.
That's the curse of technological development in wartime.Most of those developments never see the end of conflict.
Ah, the Bucky. Great ship wife
Doing her best as usual!
She toot
another man of kancole i see
Fubuki tries her best!
*[Ganbarimasu intensifies]*
Is the series still on?
@@thanakonpraepanich4284 KC or AL anime? KC's gonna get a season 2 while AL's continuing this March
@@Big_E_Soul_Fragment
No, just the Fubuki Garibanmasu doujin series itself.
@@thanakonpraepanich4284 oh
@@thanakonpraepanich4284 I think it is but the rate of release is pretty slow.
Excellent. Shikinami just gets a K2 in Kancolle, and now we get a video about the class.
Suddenly Potatoes, the small comrade, the elephant lady, and many more (*cough* *cough* Kancolle master race *cough* *cough*)
khoroshod
Fake news, Azur Lane is master race.
@@atagosraven2267
KC has three years lead but lack of fund and incompetent managements threw it away. Is AL just won by default or what?
@@thanakonpraepanich4284 I thought KC was still relevant, at least in Japan. Or that's what I heard last time. Did it change recently or something?
@@OmarSlloum AL>KC I like Kancolle but it's true
I see IJN destroyers, I insta-like!
Great video on the first batch of the goodest girls in WW2, the little ships that could :D Looking forward to Shiratsuyu and Kagerou class
They're such GOOD LOOKING little ships too.
4:32 Damn if this is what the Japanese had at the time, admiral Yi must have been the best admiral ;)
Bucky!!!
The Akatsuki sub class' collective history need a video all their own
Love these little ships. Very attractive design.
Great video - channels like this give me actual hope about the internet and youtube. Thank you.
Fubuki is one of the most fun ships to play in World of Warships!
Ah the fubuki, a giant torpedo boat pretending to be a destroyer
Shaun Courtney did someone say torpedo boats?
*scared fleet repairship noises
@@connorhouston1162 Japanese Torpedo Boats at that!🚤
Did someone say 'scarred Fleet Repair ship noises'?
*Akashi huddles over to her torpedo boats
@@connorhouston1162 Nah, it's just a fisherman doing his job.
@Connor Houston This fan base now has its own memes...
Me: feeling doing something productive now.
UA-cam: drachinifel vid on your fav dd..
Let's come together fellow fans of Poi and Burning Love!!!
AKAGI-SENPAI
Bucky!!!
The Fubuki class, part of the IJN that had a good part of the Pacific singing I'm turning Japanese.
Awesome video Drach, I've always loved Bucky due to her history and two certain boat girl games keep up the awesome work
Bucky, okay Kongu.
Destroyers fascinate me. Multipurpose platforms that often get overlooked despite their usefulness and lethality. Lots of experimentation and technology advancement.
Looked like they would have "rolled in a bathtub" , but were formidable warships. Anything up to the biggest super-dreadnought
that came into the range of a long lance torpedo was in a lot of trouble.
the IJN had some very interesting and innovative designs. the torpedo cruisers kitakami and oi for example. numerous 24inch torpedo turrets. and they had the first real LSD . also the i400 submarine. their ships were designed to fit the wave lengths of the pacific and had that unique bow and drop away stern, to drain water and save weight. and then there were the seaplane carriers and minelaying cruisers. so much to cover .
The landing ships were genuinely revolutionary, but they were from the IJA.
The torpedo cruisers were questionable.....
These ships were of welded construction, quite revolutionary for the time.
Fubuki. Most satisfactory.
Not the Fubuki that i watch but it works too.
Brilliant as always. Thanks @Drachinifel for doing these. Great work.
Love it when his videos cover world of warship ships
When drachinifel gets 1 mill I can say I've been here since around 50k
Had to double check the length of the video to make sure it was indeed 9 minutes and not 9 hours (as would have been fitting given recent video lengths)
so you are covering the potat ship fubuki ?
hmmm yes potat
Watching again, still amazed at the quality.
IJ Galatin, in his memoir on his WW2 submarine service refers to the Fubikis as major ASW threats
.....the hell? They were actually major ASW threats? When ASW was the weakest point of the IJN?
Two points. One I am quoting a Us sub commander who had to deal with them (Commander Uss Halibut). Two IJN Asw was weak but it still managed to kill 50 US submarines.
Mark Young
True.
@@markyoung317 "Take Her Deep!" was the name of Admiral Galatin's book - and when Drach covers magnetic anomaly detection vis a vis ASW, he will need to research what happened to USS Halibut on her tenth (and last) war patrol...
Ushio Has A particularly interesting Service History of Rescue (both Japanese and Allied sailors) valor in surface, bombardment, anti submarine, and Anti Air combat along with a particularly harrowing fire extinguishing at sea of her sister ship Akebono. There is ample material to have a lovely episode dedicated to her.
With all ww2 Japanese warships the secret to the speed of these destroyers and other ships where the kampon type boilers way ahead of thier time
Most of the Fubuki class ships were equipped with type 90 air torpedoes, and only a few ships received type 93 upgrade in 1943
I expected an account of the service of IJN Fubuki. The exploits of an entire class of destroyers is a different story. A Japanese perspective on the naval battle of Guadalcanal, would have been a good video.
Ahh, A nice cup of Tea, and a Drachinifel IJN Video with plenty of fellow weebs in the comments, a Morning Well Spent! :)
Back in the day on the Super Nintendo or Famicom playing the PTO series of games, this ship always gave me problems and I had to divert air power in order to get rid of them off the screen. When I went to the PS2 version, the first thing I did when playing as anyone but Japan was to create there counter which was a gunboat destroyer with 10 guns though only 100mm so not to stress the hull and good anti-air. Unwittingly I created the Akizuki upgrade the Harugumo that you can see in WoW. These things were always being thrown at me and taking a lot of damage throughout via there guns and torpedos. I would suggest to Drach if he wants to look at ships without playing WoW try PTO 4, on the PS2 it's surprisingly accurate and has the histories though basic of the ship.
IJN Kikuzuki would be a great video, as it was captured and refloated by the U.S. It's wreck can still be seen in a Lagoon on Tulagi.
Her 4th gun barrel was salvaged with permission issued by the Solomon Islands government, returned to Japan, restored and dedicated to Omori Shrine in Maizuru at 2020
@@stefanussandi2879 Thank you Stefanus. That is fantastic news.
I'm a simple man. Whenever I see a Drach video, I click like :-D
If you need more work, please accept these requests:
IJN kitakami & Oi
KMS Thor
KMS Penguin
KMS Atlantis(well all the armed German merchants)
An in depth look at both the Washington & London treaties
Got confused for a little bit when I saw the photos with name usugumo and shirakumo. Then I realized they are not in Kancolle. (meanwhile Shinonome is at least in wows)
Right, because diving in the waters near Vladivostok sounds like a nice warm vacation....
Yes been waiting for this one on. Thank you Drac.
The HMS Dreadnought of destroyers.
This is opposed to the Kabuki class, which main weapon was annoying music, forcing the enemy ship to surrender to get it to stop!
Oh yea to anyone still watching this; none of the Special Types apart from Ushio and maybe Hibiki received the Long Lance Torpedo because their tubes were not compatible with it and most of them sank before the IJN decided to give them the torpedoes.
I'd like to see Drach do a description of my mom's 1995 Ford Escort station wagon like he does a naval vessel😂😂😂👌👌👌
ty dude never miss the fruits of your research :P
a certain one of the type 2 subclass of these was certainly quite successful until uss washington said "NO!" though this one was supposed to be in a 3 pronged attack on the american ships supporting the naval landings in guadacanal, ayanami had issues with the radio and couldnt communicate with the others but charged in anyways sinking several ships before being sunk by uss washington
@Russ Gallagher Also one of only two (out of 29) battleships built in WWII to actually arguably justify her existence.
Russ Gallagher
Duke of York is the other: Bismarck comes close, but doesn’t count, as a carrier (if Germany actually had any) would have been a much better choice at Denmark Straits.
The issue with battleships in WWII was that carriers were better at their intended role, and they cost too much to be strategically useful for everything else. So the only way for a battleship to justify herself would be to take down a peer opponent in conditions where carrier operations were impossible.....and that’s just Washington and Duke of York.
It is absolutely debatable if Ayanami did that.
IJN Ayanami was not sunk by USS Washington, it could be saved by other destroyer but scuttled instead.
Its a shame even fewer of these IJN ships survived to this day than compared to their counterparts in other navies. Would have loved to walk around a fubuki or akatsuki.
well, that happens when you lose the war
Tomodzuru in the typhoon turned turtle & was towed home thus, stern first. It might have been more honorable if she had in fact sunk. This began the reconstruction of the entire IJN, completing just in time for the Pacific War (& if That isn't a name!).
Fubuki Doing her best
The exact date of the treaty aluded to at the start would be useful here for non-students of such things.
KC intensifies.....:
AL intensifies
nine torpedo tubes… 😱😱😱😱😱 a dangerous destroyer.
Fubuki tries always her best
How about doing a story of the IJN "Lucky" Shigure?
Bucky!
Kongo san
when you're denied parity in capital ships with western powers, you make an over-buffed fleet escort that can smack up the competition
Back to short and sweet. Thank God.
The strange thing about the IJN and its use of AA guns was they had one of the best heavy AA guns, the Type 98 100 mm gun from 1940 onwards, but they armed only a few classes ships by 1945, the majority being diverted to land AA use. Prewar, they had purchased British 2 pdr pom pom guns in several batches, with at least 500 examples being on hand by 1935. These were used in single and twin mounts. The Japanese considered them only useful in smaller ships like subchasers and minesweepers after 1935, judging their 25 mm Hotchkiss design to be superior. They had also purchased examples of German 20 mm and 37 mm guns as well as Oerlikon 20 mm types. They captured at least one hundred fifty 40 mm Bofors guns after the Fall of Singapore. Even more of a windfall, they had captured another sixteen examples of the Dutch 40 mm, the most fully developed Bofors guns in the world in 1940.
It's not a matter of the Japanese _only_ having 25 mm guns, it was a matter of the IJNs laser focus on torpedoes and torpedo warfare. The Japanese economy had been shattered by the Great Depression and the military spending required by the war in China. Given their limited resources, the IJN rightly decided that having the world's best torpedo, among the best torpedo mounts, and large destroyers and cruisers carrying lots of the Type 93 torpedoes was a war winning strategy. The results of such thinking in 1942 through early 1943 showed that they weren't wrong, especially combined with the IJN's almost obsessive training in night fighting. However, that was only true for surface warfare. Even though the Japanese had been among the first navies to understand the theory and use of aircraft carrier, they developed very little understanding of how to defend against the enemy's aircraft. Their limited resources didn't allow them to develop three or four different types of AA weapons, so the decision was made to mass produce the type they already had and understood how to produce. After 1942, they knew the 25 mm gun was marginal at best and started working on reverse engineering the Bofors and Oerlikon guns. By 1944, their industrial infrastructure was being cut to ribbons by US bombardments, the merchant fleet they needed to bring in steel and other critical materials was increasingly on the bottom of the sea, and they were running out of time. From postwar US reports, they had working prototypes of Bofors and Oerlikon guns ready for production, but not until June, 1945, and they didn't have the material needed for mass production in any case. It was the IJN's narrow vision of how naval warfare would develop in what became WWII that left them without an effective AA gun, not they couldn't have developed one.
The Japanese DID recognize the threat from enemy carriers; their "solution" was to just get rid of the enemy aircraft carriers first (which didn't;t work out for multiple reasons).
@@bkjeong4302 The real plan was to develop such a strong defensive line that the Americans couldn't break through without being destroyed. It wasn't just carrier aircraft that they had to defend against. From Guadalcanal forward, they had defend against our occupying islands that became unsinkable carriers. They just didn't have the fleet or resources large enough to prevent this. Every island we seized became an airbase that attacked the next island in our plan while striking at Japanese shipping. AA gunnery on ships and land became more and more important, yet the Japanese didn't seem to pay it much attention. The fighting between the Army and Navy over strategy and resources became almost as important as fighting the Allies. Regardless of how many of our carriers they could sink after the Coral Sea, we could build them faster than they could sink them. It seemed as if only Yamamoto realized what dire straits the Japanese were in by 1943, but even he couldn't convince the General Staff of the necessity of a defensive war after the disaster at Midway.
Sar Jim
I am not disagreeing about the Japanese lack of resources or them having to deal with land-based aircraft. The point was that the lack of Japanese attention to AA was mostly due to them focusing on preventing air attacks rather than stopping air attacks.
@@bkjeong4302 YOu're right that the Japanese were focused on the "decisive attack". I don't think that was ever their exclusive plan for dealing with enemy air attacks. If it ever was, that plan was dashed after Midway. Nevertheless, the Army and Navy continued to fight about who'd develop things like radar first. There was no serious attempt to reverse engineer the Bofors gun until 1944. Rather than evacuating men from isolated islands for use in strategically more defensive areas, they continued fruitless attempts to resupply those troops, apparently believing that the US would somehow double back and attack them. By the time a decision had been made to withdraw them, it was too late, and many of those poor guys slowly starved to death. They didn't put serious efforts into developing more powerful aero motors for fighters than the one that already existed in the Zero because of the "decisive battle" delusion. With the appearance of the Hellcat and, worse, the Corvair, it was a mad scramble to develop in 1943/44 what should have been done in 1940, when they still had resources and manpower to do it.
The Japanese plan for the "decisive battle" was not the destruction of the US fleet, just to cause enough damage and deaths that US would sue for an armistice. Yamamoto knew the only hope for such an event was a series of bold strikes early on. If the damage to the US fleet in 1942 wasn't enough to bring America to its knees, he knew only a long, protracted war would have an chance for the US suing for peace. He had been advocating for a defensive plan since before Pearl Harbor but he was generally ignored. The IJN never seemed to understand that unrestricted submarine warfare against US merchant shipping was the only hope for weakening the fleet and the troops ashore. By the time even the Army and General Staff were convinced that no "decisive battle", or at least not one in favor of the IJN, was going to happen and defense was the only option, it was far too late for any defensive plan to work.
Fubuki does her best
A well done video, I admire the audacity of the Japanese planners.
4:58 Hi Torp queen of the started squad.
Jingles grinding CVs gave me a new idea for an initiative to incentivise WG to #FixCVs some more. To celebrate the wonderful CV rework, let's get all the best players, streamers, youtubers and CCs to *only play CVs the next patch.* All day every day. The goal is to have three CVs in as many games as possible. Call it *#MonthOfTheCV**.* Spread the word.
A book that might be a very good read DescriptionThe American Black Chamber is a 1931 book by Herbert O. Yardley. The book describes the inner workings of the interwar American governmental cryptography organization called the Black Chamber. America was reading the Japanese coded messages during the Washington treaty negotiations, the Japanese found out and lost their minds.
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Fubuki, 35-go [TOOT]
Uranami, 44-go
Ayanami, 46-go, desu
Best destroyer from Kantai Collection and Azur Lane
Not by 2020 after several buffs and powercreeps, sadly. Yuugumo class and Asashio Class are the go-to destroyers today.
Would that reflect the real life facts that Kagerou class and Yuugumo class were built with no Treaty restriction?
At least in AL, Fubuki is still okay... well, at least her modified sister ship, Ayanami is... lol.
Don't want to sound like -boo, but:
1. First ten units were never planned with DP main armament. We're in early 1920s, it's a bit too early.
2. Second series were first DDs with DP armament indeed, at a time, when no one even considered it seriously. (Farraguts came later, and others started to think seriously full 10 years later). Gun turrets had numerous problems at higher elevations though. (basically - apart from obvious restrictions of guns with separate loading and known problems with rigidity of turrets - gun mounts couldn't properly handle high elevation recoil). Those issues were only properly solved on D model(Yugumo and Shimakaze).
3. It should be noted, that Japanese, strangely enough, weren't stupid, and always understood restrictions of chosen gun system in AA role. They had no choice: for surface fighting, they had to install proper gun: they were expecting to be outnumbered by USN. Americans could allow themselves a compromise gun instead of 5"/51 weapon for the very same reason for which Japanese couldn't use roughly comparable 12.7cm/40 one. And even for US this choice wasn't that simple back in late 1920s-early 1930s.
4. It's worth mentioning that 3rd group is the first destroyers ever with true DP fire control. A pity early 30s AA fire control wasn't all that capable against 1940s threats, but then again, Farraguts and Mahans weren't Fletchers either.
5. 55 degrees elevation was a loss(otherwise they wouldn't try fixing it), but it's still more than anyone but the americans. So-called dp-capable L/Ms had only 50, and their turrets were basically an unsolved failure.
6. While i somewhat understand your utter hate of 25mm guns - they appeared as a uniform main AA weapon of IJN before even 28mm Chicago pianos did. Bad choice or not, it(along with its fcs) was firmly ahead of the curve in mid-late 1930s. And Japanese simply had no "switch" button like americans did. Because before 1942, japanese close-in AA just wasn't all that bad.
7. The fact that 15 year old class was relevant as frontline DDs during ww2 is a huge merit by itself. Most units of comparable age of other navies weren't capable of being frontline destroyers anymore.
8. Almost all never received Type 93 torpedoes. The only ones I've seen that actually received them is Ushio and maybe Hibiki because they survived very late into the war.
No! Fubuki was sunk?? She worked so hard! I can't abide this! Fegelein!!
The fate of the last one hits hard. Sunk in the 70's after it was used for target practice.
Ayanami, All alone, where did the rest of the pincer go, i wonder.
She was ordered to head west of Savo Island to scout while the rest of DesRon3 continued to sweep east of Savo Island.
Is there any chance you could do a review of the River-class frigate, HMS Swale? My grandfather was CPO ERA on the Swale, and we think he was involved in helping the South African Navy keep the vessel running when they took it on after the war, as he was posted in Simonstown until he was demobilised.
bet it did a cute sneeze at one point
I'd love to see a video of KMS U-556 the knight Percival that protected Bismarck
Tried is the keyword.
I LOVE your voice:)
Japanese Admiral: _"They've limited our capacity for Cruisers, Battleships, and Carriers, but they foolishly left the destroyer class monitored! We'll beat them with destroyer superiority!"_
Designer (Eyeing the Americans using Clemsons as packing peanuts): "Riiiiight."
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Meanwhile at Hololive (popular in AL due to collab)...
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Fubuki Means Snow Storm.
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