Was a decent wrestler back when and double leg was my jam. In all the scraps in college (trouble found me, wasnt looking for it) never used a double. The knees and 12-6 elbows make me nervous. One guy tried on me and that was fun
@@Denis-mw9jy sprawl ->cowcatcher -> full mount. Did everything I could to avoid it, wrist was in a cast at the time. If I understand your question correctly. Now that I'm in my mid thirties, i will have no shame in running away, assuming that's an option
If something bothers you, learn how to do it :) Anything goes in a street fight I assume you're fighting to defend yourself and not participating in parking lot tournaments lol
And on top of the striking dangers to the face or back of the head as you go for those low takedowns, you also end up on the ground and very close to or on top of them which means you can't easily run away. Not as important if you're a great wrestler but I am only average size and more a striker so I'd rather keep more distance😅
@@frontsquats Sure, totally agree, just as most BJJ classes teach a lot of sports BJJ moves that you'd never want to use in self defence, as you expose yourself too much to strikes. With all these styles, there are sports components, and self defence components, and if you're interested in self defence, you stop and think about each thing you learn and decide what you'd use in a self defence situation or not. However, that said, if you train a sports BJJ or Judo technique to a high level, so you can hit it at speed and with precision, it will still work fine in a self defence situation, especially if you have awareness of the implications, so adjust, say, the finish of the Judo throw so that you don't roll through. Or for example, you could say that a seo nagi exposes the back, but hit it with sufficient kazushi, solid grips, and at speed, then good luck to anyone who thinks they can take the back. And yep, I'd say a majority of BJJ gyms combine various martial arts. Mine has BJJ, Judo, Wrestling, Muay Thai, Boxing, and MMA classes, all covered by the one price. Pretty damn sweet.
@@dadthelad one thing I would like to see, which I have limited bjj experience, but I'd like to see an instructor take a class out into the parking lot and have them start a match standing up and without any gear and then after a minute send another class member over to join one of their sides or even just to kick one of them and then run. Like there just seems to be a lot of self defense aspects not being considered. I'm currently reading a book called When the Fight Goes to the Ground and it brings up so much of this. How much no gloves can change the targets, no rules allow targets like eyes or groin, even shrimping on rough ground can hurt a lot, and how going to the ground is mainly to defend incase you end up there and get up asap since you're very vulnerable to anyone else. I'm finding it fascinating.
Like there's just so much more to it than if a technique can make someone submit or not, like situation and mindsets. Like what's your goal, winning or just getting away? Cause an armbar is a submission but the best you can do is hold them on the ground with you wrapped around them, or break their arm and potentially have to deal with a now very pissed off, rage filled, adrenaline machine who you have no control over anymore. Idk like chokes or pins can work great, but you also need to be in a position to get away quickly if it gets worse or get help right away. It's really interesting to think about. Like for all arts, with my striking I recently fought someone right after it rained and really had to adjust my strikes because if I dug in too hard and pushed off I'd slip and fall over. Or if I am on concrete and hip throw someone but just let them fall without control they could crack their head open and now I've just killed someone. I think self defense is a whole other beast and I'm fascinated to learn more.
@@pixelblaze8284 Absolutely agree w everything you said. Context is everything. Real life fighting can be super messy. Thinking about all these things is important if you're learning for self defence.
The leg is powerful to use and better if you know how. The know how is once you have a pinch headlock, cinch it by pulling it through to your left, and hike the bad guys weight on yourself turning it into a pinch head lock Harai Goshi. Bam! Powerful throw that will most likely take all the fight out of the bad guy. He’ll probably break some ribs when you land on him.
When I see these takedown videos, they show me an effective takedown. Fair enough, that's useful, I try to absorb that BUT... If I felt the need to do this, by approaching a guy who was acting aggressively (especially if he is bigger and stronger than I am) he will resist. He will know I am going to do something because I am approaching him. It then becomes a struggle. Even if I am super fast his instinct will be to resist and it won't be a simple case of what we are being shown in the video. My point is nobody will just let you take them down on the street without a fight. I think they should show the receiver resisting as much as he can and explain how to adapt to that. I think we could learn better without letting our training partner co operate fully to make it closer to what it would really be like against an actual opponent. Personally I would use a strike first, perhaps a quick jab or a double ear slap to disorientate my opponent for a moment and THEN go for the takedown, while my opponent is vulnerable. Thank you for the video anyway!
so that's something there that is very different in self defense where you don't want to be aggressive. like best case is they don't attack and you just run away. here this kind of thing is in reaction to something like a haymaker being thrown at you. ideally we're looking at you backing up and once they charge in to hit you, you then only move in a little bit suddenly as needed and usually it's easier to take them down and they are more surprised. then you could either hold them until help arrives or jump up and run away. Now I would add a check to the other arm before going for the full takedown since one haymaker is usually followed by a sloppy second, and maybe do some things differently, but overall this seems pretty good. I especially like his mention of the dangers of shooting like the striking involved since the back of your neck is so open.
If you've trained BJJ, very little in a street fight is going to surprise you. You don't have to approach your opponent, you manage the distance and engage if necessary. Just go train, you'll understand when you do, words are but weak symbols.
@@GreenDistantStar I've done BJJ and a lot of ground stuff, it does not prepare you for a good boxer or muay thai fighter - not somebody much better than yourself anyway, if the guy is fast he's probably gonna hit you but I'd go for a takedown if I was getting outboxed sure but as a last resort, I was a decent boxer and thai boxer in my 20s and went to train in Thailand with Namsaknoi, personally I rely on my striking, I generally know if sombody is going to shoot for a takedown and most idiots on the street rarely do. I'm 35 now and I can kick the door frame over my head, always been flexible so I'll Cro Cop a motherfucker if I have to lol, they won't see it coming (I've done it before) I tend to just get them in a clinch and use clinching, you have control then without going to the floor. a few knees from a clinch or some nice liver shots and it's all good. My point is I do train mate and saying 'words are but weak symbols' is pretty cringe tbh but thanks for your perspective anyway.
@@gregorycritch2129 I have a background in wrestling, judo and boxing, and I took up BJJ about 20 years ago. Striking is great, but it can also land you into a lifetime of problems. Cringeful as it may appear to you, these word apply. I've been in and around martial arts since the 1960s, my opinion are not hypothetical.
if he is much taller then yes, like more than 10 cm taller, but if he is a bit taller it won't be so difficult, because you use your weight on a higher place so due to physics it is harder to resist, and you can put your leg behind his leg so he goes down easier, it doesn't just depends on height, your strength and the opponents strength does matters a lot, last year at school i fought against a kid taller than me by 5-8 cm, heavier than me by 25 kg and he was really strong too, and in the fight with him he was losing and thought i can't do anything i will go for a take down, he went for my neck really fast and got me in a headlock and put all his strength and weight on my neck plus his leg behind my leg so he would trip me, but it didn't work since i was strong enough to not go to the ground, he got the headlock tho because he put all that massive strength and weight on me.
Nice, if he is fast he can gouge your eye with his free hand before the hip displacement. Which is why in self defense the over-hook is better as it traps the now not free arm.
For a police officer I think the issue with this takedown, if not performed quickly, is you leave your gun exposed to the threat and your hands are occupied
Extremely rare in adult life that you end up in a one on one situation so any takedown which ends up with you also going to floor is stupid and leaves you in danger
Honestly I think there needs to be a new grappling art or sport that emphasizes inside fighting, clinching, and throws that leave you standing or at least in a mount or taking the back. A real fight is over fast and is almost always a close up boxing match, a clinch fight, or a sumo match. It starts with no warning and the person with the stronger, more stable legs, hips, and core and who is more aggressive will almost always win. Those who train are the exception.
Are you really any safer on your feet when multiple attackers swarm you? Any level of engagement standing vs multiple opponents is going to see you on the floor in short order. I have a suspicion you've never actually been there and done it...
@@anthonycardona1121 I have a suspicion you haven't ever been involved in anything outside of a controlled environment. If you stay in your feet you always have a chance of getting away, if you end up on the floor then you have zero chance and an even bigger chance of. Getting your head kicked in
This videos assumes so many things which are not true in real situations. When it comes to self defence i find that bjj instructors are just as bad as the rest.
@@simoneriksson8329 wells there’s the assumption it is person attack throwing a single punch in an environment where the group is a viable option such carpet mats or grass. If we are not assuming these things then this is not realistic. I have studied a self defensive martial art which assumes a lot trust me I know. The dynamic notion of a tussle will make it extremely hard to pull this off, there are other martial arts who specialise in these types of throws who the explain hip throws better and there is a number of complications which come with this level of commitment especially is a Street fight
@@davido713 so honestly I've been working on practicing a similar throw to this for self defense and there's a few things I would do a bit differently here so I agree that this isn't perfect. But honestly with enough practice this move seems like it could be pretty effective if applied in the right way. Like not rushing in but backing up and waiting for them to move in on you with a haymaker so that they're off balance them quickly regain your footing and move in slightly to execute the throw. I would also mainly add a quick shoulder check to the right shoulder to avoid the second haymaker that often follows the first but overall this looks pretty useful since you could land knee on them to avoid and rough ground like cement or blacktop and then since you're kneeling on top you could quickly pop up and run away
This is actually a terrible self defense takedown. First you are the aggressor as you step in. Second to break his balance you have to take it from him with your strength and movement. Third you go to the ground with him which is a terrible idea in self defence . Fourth and most important, locking your hands behind his back and then smashing both your hands into the hard ground when you and him fall is a great way break your hands. Honestly one of the worst takedowns for self defence.
I like the way you demonstrate and explain it, especially when you show the different angles to better see! Awesome!👍
Very well explained, thank you!
Great breakdown!
Was a decent wrestler back when and double leg was my jam. In all the scraps in college (trouble found me, wasnt looking for it) never used a double. The knees and 12-6 elbows make me nervous. One guy tried on me and that was fun
Which one did you switch to?
@@Denis-mw9jy sprawl ->cowcatcher -> full mount. Did everything I could to avoid it, wrist was in a cast at the time.
If I understand your question correctly. Now that I'm in my mid thirties, i will have no shame in running away, assuming that's an option
If something bothers you, learn how to do it :) Anything goes in a street fight
I assume you're fighting to defend yourself and not participating in parking lot tournaments lol
And on top of the striking dangers to the face or back of the head as you go for those low takedowns, you also end up on the ground and very close to or on top of them which means you can't easily run away. Not as important if you're a great wrestler but I am only average size and more a striker so I'd rather keep more distance😅
@@samali3939 im like a 50 yr old mom when i see (semi)organized fights in parking lots, on concrete or asphalt. Is it so difficult to find some grass?
Good work👍 some BJJ clubs Have self defense aspects that cover it all for the street like Gracie BJJ program 👊👊👊
no one would let you hug them like that in a street fight. you've got to disorient your opponent first.
Good techniques judo bjj wrestling technique vary good
The neck takedown. First time I've seen BJJ real street application.
BJJ is a more ground form of Judo which us a lot of throws and takedowns.
But what if the ground has sharp rocks and broken bottle around. And is more than one person
If you want to learn takedowns, don't go to a BJJ school, go to a Judo, Wrestling, or MMA school!
@@frontsquats Sure, totally agree, just as most BJJ classes teach a lot of sports BJJ moves that you'd never want to use in self defence, as you expose yourself too much to strikes. With all these styles, there are sports components, and self defence components, and if you're interested in self defence, you stop and think about each thing you learn and decide what you'd use in a self defence situation or not.
However, that said, if you train a sports BJJ or Judo technique to a high level, so you can hit it at speed and with precision, it will still work fine in a self defence situation, especially if you have awareness of the implications, so adjust, say, the finish of the Judo throw so that you don't roll through. Or for example, you could say that a seo nagi exposes the back, but hit it with sufficient kazushi, solid grips, and at speed, then good luck to anyone who thinks they can take the back.
And yep, I'd say a majority of BJJ gyms combine various martial arts. Mine has BJJ, Judo, Wrestling, Muay Thai, Boxing, and MMA classes, all covered by the one price. Pretty damn sweet.
@@dadthelad one thing I would like to see, which I have limited bjj experience, but I'd like to see an instructor take a class out into the parking lot and have them start a match standing up and without any gear and then after a minute send another class member over to join one of their sides or even just to kick one of them and then run. Like there just seems to be a lot of self defense aspects not being considered. I'm currently reading a book called When the Fight Goes to the Ground and it brings up so much of this. How much no gloves can change the targets, no rules allow targets like eyes or groin, even shrimping on rough ground can hurt a lot, and how going to the ground is mainly to defend incase you end up there and get up asap since you're very vulnerable to anyone else. I'm finding it fascinating.
Like there's just so much more to it than if a technique can make someone submit or not, like situation and mindsets. Like what's your goal, winning or just getting away? Cause an armbar is a submission but the best you can do is hold them on the ground with you wrapped around them, or break their arm and potentially have to deal with a now very pissed off, rage filled, adrenaline machine who you have no control over anymore. Idk like chokes or pins can work great, but you also need to be in a position to get away quickly if it gets worse or get help right away. It's really interesting to think about. Like for all arts, with my striking I recently fought someone right after it rained and really had to adjust my strikes because if I dug in too hard and pushed off I'd slip and fall over. Or if I am on concrete and hip throw someone but just let them fall without control they could crack their head open and now I've just killed someone. I think self defense is a whole other beast and I'm fascinated to learn more.
@@pixelblaze8284 Absolutely agree w everything you said. Context is everything. Real life fighting can be super messy. Thinking about all these things is important if you're learning for self defence.
Most Gi and NoGi courses have takedowns. You don't know what are you speaking about.
The leg is powerful to use and better if you know how. The know how is once you have a pinch headlock, cinch it by pulling it through to your left, and hike the bad guys weight on yourself turning it into a pinch head lock Harai Goshi.
Bam! Powerful throw that will most likely take all the fight out of the bad guy. He’ll probably break some ribs when you land on him.
What’s the name of that first takedown?
When I see these takedown videos, they show me an effective takedown. Fair enough, that's useful, I try to absorb that BUT... If I felt the need to do this, by approaching a guy who was acting aggressively (especially if he is bigger and stronger than I am) he will resist. He will know I am going to do something because I am approaching him. It then becomes a struggle. Even if I am super fast his instinct will be to resist and it won't be a simple case of what we are being shown in the video.
My point is nobody will just let you take them down on the street without a fight. I think they should show the receiver resisting as much as he can and explain how to adapt to that. I think we could learn better without letting our training partner co operate fully to make it closer to what it would really be like against an actual opponent. Personally I would use a strike first, perhaps a quick jab or a double ear slap to disorientate my opponent for a moment and THEN go for the takedown, while my opponent is vulnerable. Thank you for the video anyway!
so that's something there that is very different in self defense where you don't want to be aggressive. like best case is they don't attack and you just run away. here this kind of thing is in reaction to something like a haymaker being thrown at you. ideally we're looking at you backing up and once they charge in to hit you, you then only move in a little bit suddenly as needed and usually it's easier to take them down and they are more surprised. then you could either hold them until help arrives or jump up and run away. Now I would add a check to the other arm before going for the full takedown since one haymaker is usually followed by a sloppy second, and maybe do some things differently, but overall this seems pretty good. I especially like his mention of the dangers of shooting like the striking involved since the back of your neck is so open.
@Andrew exactly it's just ONE technique. If you want all that just pay for a class
If you've trained BJJ, very little in a street fight is going to surprise you. You don't have to approach your opponent, you manage the distance and engage if necessary. Just go train, you'll understand when you do, words are but weak symbols.
@@GreenDistantStar I've done BJJ and a lot of ground stuff, it does not prepare you for a good boxer or muay thai fighter - not somebody much better than yourself anyway, if the guy is fast he's probably gonna hit you but I'd go for a takedown if I was getting outboxed sure but as a last resort, I was a decent boxer and thai boxer in my 20s and went to train in Thailand with Namsaknoi, personally I rely on my striking, I generally know if sombody is going to shoot for a takedown and most idiots on the street rarely do. I'm 35 now and I can kick the door frame over my head, always been flexible so I'll Cro Cop a motherfucker if I have to lol, they won't see it coming (I've done it before) I tend to just get them in a clinch and use clinching, you have control then without going to the floor. a few knees from a clinch or some nice liver shots and it's all good. My point is I do train mate and saying 'words are but weak symbols' is pretty cringe tbh but thanks for your perspective anyway.
@@gregorycritch2129 I have a background in wrestling, judo and boxing, and I took up BJJ about 20 years ago. Striking is great, but it can also land you into a lifetime of problems. Cringeful as it may appear to you, these word apply. I've been in and around martial arts since the 1960s, my opinion are not hypothetical.
Is this working onthe taller opponent
Difficult. If he's much taller. Use an open hand to the throat and go from there. Or leg TD.
if he is much taller then yes, like more than 10 cm taller, but if he is a bit taller it won't be so difficult, because you use your weight on a higher place so due to physics it is harder to resist, and you can put your leg behind his leg so he goes down easier, it doesn't just depends on height, your strength and the opponents strength does matters a lot, last year at school i fought against a kid taller than me by 5-8 cm, heavier than me by 25 kg
and he was really strong too, and in the fight with him he was losing and thought i can't do anything i will go for a take down, he went for my neck really fast and got me in a headlock and put all his strength and weight on my neck plus his leg behind my leg so he would trip me, but it didn't work since i was strong enough to not go to the ground, he got the headlock tho because he put all that massive strength and weight on me.
Thanks for sharing.
Nice, if he is fast he can gouge your eye with his free hand before the hip displacement. Which is why in self defense the over-hook is better as it traps the now not free arm.
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For a police officer I think the issue with this takedown, if not performed quickly, is you leave your gun exposed to the threat and your hands are occupied
Good video
That looks like it’ll hurt someones back if you really snap down hard
thats kinda the point in a street fight
Porque no le hace unos videos en Español?
Buena idea.
Extremely rare in adult life that you end up in a one on one situation so any takedown which ends up with you also going to floor is stupid and leaves you in danger
You observed that men become coward at adulthood?
Honestly I think there needs to be a new grappling art or sport that emphasizes inside fighting, clinching, and throws that leave you standing or at least in a mount or taking the back. A real fight is over fast and is almost always a close up boxing match, a clinch fight, or a sumo match.
It starts with no warning and the person with the stronger, more stable legs, hips, and core and who is more aggressive will almost always win. Those who train are the exception.
Are you really any safer on your feet when multiple attackers swarm you? Any level of engagement standing vs multiple opponents is going to see you on the floor in short order. I have a suspicion you've never actually been there and done it...
@@anthonycardona1121 I have a suspicion you haven't ever been involved in anything outside of a controlled environment. If you stay in your feet you always have a chance of getting away, if you end up on the floor then you have zero chance and an even bigger chance of. Getting your head kicked in
@@Eons000 doesn't change the fact that's what happens
The second somebody says all you have to do immediately pause the video and stop listening to them because they don’t know what they’re talking about
what is this move called
It's called a takedown move
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Its just a hip toss.
7:13 Did he just twerk!?
Check out the blast double leg takedown!!! Will save your knees and put them on their butt hard!
This videos assumes so many things which are not true in real situations. When it comes to self defence i find that bjj instructors are just as bad as the rest.
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Could you give a example of a false assumpton in the video?
@@rebelape4257 yours too
@@simoneriksson8329 wells there’s the assumption it is person attack throwing a single punch in an environment where the group is a viable option such carpet mats or grass. If we are not assuming these things then this is not realistic. I have studied a self defensive martial art which assumes a lot trust me I know. The dynamic notion of a tussle will make it extremely hard to pull this off, there are other martial arts who specialise in these types of throws who the explain hip throws better and there is a number of complications which come with this level of commitment especially is a Street fight
@@davido713 so honestly I've been working on practicing a similar throw to this for self defense and there's a few things I would do a bit differently here so I agree that this isn't perfect. But honestly with enough practice this move seems like it could be pretty effective if applied in the right way. Like not rushing in but backing up and waiting for them to move in on you with a haymaker so that they're off balance them quickly regain your footing and move in slightly to execute the throw. I would also mainly add a quick shoulder check to the right shoulder to avoid the second haymaker that often follows the first but overall this looks pretty useful since you could land knee on them to avoid and rough ground like cement or blacktop and then since you're kneeling on top you could quickly pop up and run away
If the guy a foot taller U carnt even grab the neck
This is actually a terrible self defense takedown. First you are the aggressor as you step in. Second to break his balance you have to take it from him with your strength and movement. Third you go to the ground with him which is a terrible idea in self defence . Fourth and most important, locking your hands behind his back and then smashing both your hands into the hard ground when you and him fall is a great way break your hands. Honestly one of the worst takedowns for self defence.
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