Foods That Could Increase NAD: Chickpeas
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Fengureek is part of a traditional dish known as hilbeh. In yemen people pour boiled water onto it and let it soak for a while until its soft. Then they get rid of the water. They then blend fenugreek with garlic, cilantro and yoghurt and a little bit of water. You can also add tomatoes, lemon or add anything else you like. It is then eaten as a side dish with any type of savoury main meal. You should try :)
There's published data that trigonelline is in the water from cooked foods, so I wouldn't dump the water...
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 i had no idea thank you for letting me know !
A masterclass on suspense.
Ha, not intentionally, @LandonPark!
Your have become my favorite biohacking channel. Keep up the great work 😊
Thanks @zombi3lif3!
I love your detailed but condensed videos. Excited to see the results for this experiment!
Thanks @Bear-zl5ic!
I'm lowering my carbs atm to regulate hormones but it's good to know which ones have some benefits. Even if the numbers are low I'd still rather choose foods that boost longevity than not. Making chickpea flour was already on my to do list for those carby days so I'm happy to hear they're a good food choice, thank you.
Very interested in these res . Good luck 👍
Thanks @MixtrisUFOimages!
I actually started sprouting fenugreek. Let's see how it goes, it's not bad as a food.
Interesting, do the sprouts taste better than the seeds?
Definitely better, almost no bitterness.
what do you drink with your meals?
to absorb the max nutrients from legumes you gotta drink it with lemonade or limeade( no sugar ofcourse).
WHOLE juiced organic limeade inhibits lipid perioxidation( if you ever have fatty meals OR high carb meals)
i prefer to consume legumes that are UNDERCOOKED( slightly crunchy) because the phytic acid reduce all cause mortality.
i balance the meal with limeade to inhibit the binding of phytic acid to important minerals the body needs.
limes also increase bile production to healp break down high fiber foods.
Yes. You are absolutely right about adding lemons or lemon juice to vegetables, legumes, mushrooms, beans and peas. Similarly, dairy is also another that can do wonders especially when some of our traditional cuisines use dairy such as Cream of Mushrooms soup, Clam Chowder soup and more.
I am into Immunology and Gerontology research work in Asia over 18 years.
What we have discovered so far are that Hormonal Disruptions including Endocrine Disruptions occur in all human bodies if certain foods are consumed that are hormonal disruptors to the individual.
As such we have to reduce whatever foods that may cause hormonal and endocrine imbalances, disruptions or disorders which can prevent autoimmune or chronic diseases and reverse aging.
@angeljuliedr that's great! I'm no biologist, but I have greatly done research and conducted experiments on myself that i believe to be anti-Aging. the beans I make are actualy doing GREAT for my gut health I have combined beans from all over the world to make a very nutritious meal.
so far, it's going GREAT.
lately, I have been making an extract from lotus seeds to use as a moisturizer with African shea butter and EVOO and other ingredients.
the compounds in the lotus seed are very promising for anti-aging. I plan to use it for 3 months and see my results.
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Beans are fine if you either ferment them, or soak well, rinse with baking soda and cook in a pressure cooker.
I don't have time to do beans (I like chickpeas and lentils);but I am a generous maker and giver of Sauerkraut and pickles to friends and my Christian brothers and sisters here in Singapore and also in the Philippines and overseas. (Fyi I just returned to Spore 17 months ago).
I also consume all wholesome Japanese products like Natto and Miso and award-winning Japanese green teas that I am a Reseller of, as well as exotic foods and superfoods.
As for Lotus roots, I am not sure but heard that these are grown in water logged ponds and lakes and fields that are similar growing environment as paddy and rice which may absorb a significant amount of Arsenic. You may need to do more reading up and research on lotus plants.
Not so much of seeds for me because most seeds are so small and washing them soaking them takes too much time.
I love fish and seafood, and a very small amount of fruits (low sugar and low glycemic ones).
Enzyme-rich foods are equally important as pre- and probiotic foods.
Intermittent Fasting, barefoot beach walking and backwards walking are all great for longevity.
The top cause of sickness and diseases other than stress, is hormonal and endocrine disruptions. Simply put, our body has too many hormones that need to be in balance as well as our atoms that make up our cells in our body.
Hormonal imbalances, disorders and disruptions will lead to long term autoimmune and chronic disorders.
That's what immunology and immunotherapy research work that I have done for the past 18 years has unveiled, with much of our focus on dementia and gerontology.
Thank you, interesting finding. Fenugreek powder you can use it in soup say one or half teaspoon without getting a bitter taste.😊
Thanks @barasra8847. There's still an initial bitter taste, no matter how I've cooked it, but it's tolerable...
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 It would be interesting to see if Fenugreek raised your free testosterone level.
"On 8 weeks of treatment, the levels of free testosterone was found to have steep (98.7%) increase from baseline (17.76 to 35.29 ng/dL, p < 0.001) in Fenu-FG group whereas placebo group showed moderate (48.8%) increase from 21.30 to 31.70 ng/dL (p < 0.01). The increase in free testosterone from baseline (Fenu-FG: 17.53 ± 8.55 ng/dL; placebo: 10.39 ± 14.71 ng/dL) was found significantly between the groups (p < 0.05)."
Wankhede S, Mohan V, Thakurdesai P. Beneficial effects of fenugreek glycoside supplementation in male subjects during resistance training: A randomized controlled pilot study. J Sport Health Sci. 2016
@@conqueragingordietrying1797could try it in a supplement maybe!
The variations in trigonelline content you report point to a major flaw in your entire experiment. That is, you don’t really know how much of any micro or macronutrient is an any of your food samples despite what chronometer says. Food nutrients differ from cultivar to cultivar, soil variances, where they’re grown, time of year they’re grown and likely other factors too.
Yep, it's a flaw, the best I can do is estimate based on the published literature
But, more specifically, I sent blood for metabolomic analysis so we'll see if blood levels of trigonelline increased (or not). The hypothesis would be no increase in conjunction with no increase for NAD
thank you for the video, very informative. Any studies that would look into its bio-availability before/after cooking? Any cofactors enhancing its properties? I read that roasting coffee beans drops its content by a whooping 90%.
Thrilling stuff Mike. And, if the fenugreek doesn't work, there's Italian clover and giant radish.
Thanks @xscale. How does Italian clover taste?
According to wikipedia, "Crimson clover's flowers and the sprouts are edible and similar in taste and appearance to alfalfa sprouts.[5][6] They can be added as an ingredient in salads, sandwiches, and other dishes, made into tisanes, and can be dried and ground into flour."
As previously cited, Italian clover has the highest level of trig found in foods - even higher than unprocessed coffee. No idea whether the levels are higher in sprouts or seeds or the mature plant ... nor whether the seeds are edible. I wouldn't be keen to self-experiment with Italian clover seeds if no one has before!
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@@conqueragingordietrying1797 they have a numbing effect in my mouth with slightly spicy kickback when they are fresh. They are ok flavor wise, not very strong but def numbing
Sound is very low.
Sorry about that, the microphone is right next to my face...
when I watch his videos I always up audio by 500%
Sound is fine for me. Are you watching on mobile?
Have you experimented with plantains or sweet potatoes? I eat about a pound each a day but I have no idea how they may affect longevity markers?
Not plantains, but I switched carrots for sweet potatoes a while back, and many biomarkers weren't better, so I switched back to carrots
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 Do you dislike butternut squash? Both carrots and yams tend to have lead. I really like yams. I am going to start growing them, so I know there is no lead. Butternut squash also has the advantage of being less calorie dense. Pumpkin has even more carotenoids, but it is not generally available year round, and well, I don't like it as much.
If your blood pressure is good, you probably are not getting much lead, so maybe the carrots you are getting are just fine, or the calcium you are getting is binding to it and removing it.
I add fenugreek powder to my smoothies. Is the powder known to have the same efficacy as the seeds? I do smell like maple syrup!
Hi @roots2buds, I'm not sure-it likely depends on the extend of how much the powder was processed, starting from the seeds. To minimize that, I ground the seeds myself, and ha, same on the maple syrup smell!
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 I haven't tested my levels yet, but now I may consider adding that to my own panel. Thanks for the video.
Inside Tracker recommended me taking 500 mg extract twice a day. The extract I got says it's 30:1 and that one of the 200 mg capsules is equal to 6000 mg of fenugreek. I've taken two and four capsules a day. The brands they recommended though just have funugreek capsules and not a concentrated extract so not sure about the recommendation. I eat/chew some of the seeds after meals and am also worried about my teeth with that; kind of found a different chewing stroke that seems better. Will have to try grinding like you're doing. I've been on and off NMN and haven't felt different either way; also haven't tested. Been off it for a few months. Doing triathlons and marathons.
Interesting, I wonder what your NAD levels are...
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 I just tested my NAD through DoNotAge and got a result of 62
ug/gHb. I was taking around 18 grams/day of fenugreek and have never tested NAD before so don't have a baseline. My magnesium was low despite taking the DoNotAge magnesium at night and Mg-glycinate powder every morning and eating lots of things that are supposedly good sources of MG.
do you have any interest in testing how your blood nad levels react to inositol hexanicotinate supplementation? Somewhere in the ball park of two times your optimal nicotinic acid dose.
The goal is to raise NAD without supplements...
Why look to increase NAD when we have no answer for why increasing NAD with Niacin makes your aging tests go in the wrong direction?
It's a dosage issue-600 mg of nicotinic acid messes up DunedinPACE, but not 60 mg. In contrast, I'd prefer to get that much from diet, which is even lower risk.
It would be awesome to see what 125 mg of na does to your levels
That still leaves the question, what does the test look at that causes Niacin to lower its score. Your NAC level more than doubled. What could Niacin possibly do to erase that advantage and make the result negative. @conqueragingordietrying1797
Also not clear how much we should worry about Dunedin pace. All things being equal, nice to have it lower, but there could be a number of confounders. If NA led to better numbers in all oyour organs but not in Dunedin pace I'd proabbly lean toward the organs, for instance. @@conqueragingordietrying1797
I bought ground fenugreek about 6 years ago from an Indian spice store. I read that it was a testosterone booster. I used to mix some in water and drink it. The taste was awful. It might be a good idea to put it in capsules.
Where is your Fantasy? Just mix the Powder in another thing if Tasty powder..Food...smoothie.
I understand what you are saying, but putting a tablespoon of ground fenugreek in a smoothie would ruin the smoothie. It is extremely bitter. @@Viertelfranzose
@@Icarianbrother I use myself fenugreek powder...10 Gramm together with a own powder mix with Acai berry...Amla..cinnamon...Cacao...spinach... Hibiscus powder...maca red and black...Ashwagandha...have no problem with the Taste
Great! @@Viertelfranzose
Is this High on oxalic acid ?
How much has your diet changed across the tests that have "baseline" NAD outcomes? If this one comes back circa 25, maybe its time to calculate correlations on those baseline outcomes
Hey James, mostly consistent in terms of net macros
An argument could be made that chickpeas were a part of the approach for my highest non-NAD precursor [NAD], too
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 OK Mike. Good luck with this one.
Hi Michael! How do you know NA increase INTRACELLULAR nad+ levels but extracellular nad+ level?
Hi @HuyHuynh-qt1fx, see this video-Dr. Vincenzo Sorrentino saw increases for blood and tissue NAD levels with trigonelline, which converts into NA:
ua-cam.com/video/nd4rOop_08U/v-deo.html
Nice. Thanks. Keep doing video. I very like your channel@@conqueragingordietrying1797
Do you smell like maple syrup yet? One of the fun side effects of fenugreek :)
Ha, yep
@@conqueragingordietrying1797to avoid the odor take fenugreek sprouts (maybe 5 times more potent than the seeds but without the odor).Waiting for your results, could we already predict that a half grounded fenugreek seeds per day be enough to increase NAD ?
Heya I watch everything of you, and your volume seems to be lower than other videos. There is a standard but just listen to one of yours on youtube and then listen to some other and you'll notice, I always need to adjust the volume when listening you.
Sorry about that, the microphone is right in front of my face, I may need a new one
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 or maybe it's just an edition issue, no worries I still come back :D
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 not a huge problem :) But It is like 15dB too low indeed. The recording software probably has the setting for adjusting the audio levels. So it might not be about the mic but software.
I’ll be sold on fenugreek if you come back with a full head of hair after your next blood draw lol. Love what you’re doing!
Lol, is there published evidence that it impacts hair growth?
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 Actually there are studies. I’ve read one from 2006 that gave subjects 300mg of extract, equivalent to 1200mg of fenugreek seeds, and it showed in their double blind, placebo controlled study to significantly increase hair growth. I’m not sure if anyone knows the exact MOA. Some theorize that it may decrease DHT by inhibiting 5-alpha reductase. It may increase testosterone because less of it is being converted to DHT. That’s about all I know. There’s plenty of anecdotal medicinal benefits of fenugreek in Indian folk medicine.
How do you eat them exactly? They are pretty bitter, even if adding them as spices.
I ground the seeds in a food processor, then added 24g to a cooked mix of collards, tomatoes and other stuff. After the initial bitterness/weird taste, it's ok, but it's mildly unpleasant upon the 1st few bites
I mix equal parts ground fenugreek and turmeric (maybe a little more turmeric), and about 1/5 as much cumin, and 1/8 as much cayenne pepper (a curry). That goes good with lots of stuff. Scrambled eggs, turkey burger, sardines and chicken (I cook in 1/8" of water in a pan covered with a glass lid...other than the scrambled eggs). But also some vegetarian stuff like beans, instant mashed potatoes, and hash brown mix which I just cook in water rather than frying. If there are more fats and oils in the food, I add more cayenne pepper. If there are fewer oils, then that cayenne pepper taste will linger.
i can’t tolerate chickpeas, and fenugreek seeds have odor. coffee seems like the best bet if one can tolerate the caffiene.
after this experiment, ever considered experimenting with fasting windows? david sinclair keeps insisting on omad raising baseline NAD, testosterone and everything else. i would appreciate some data backing that up for once. 😅
I fast every day, with an eating window that ranges from 3-7h
My latest testosterone test was 971
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 that’s actually insane, good job 👏!!
Unfortunately there's good data showing the roasting and extraction process eliminate almost all the trig in coffee. See www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7353243/
24 g of seeds sounds like high dosage of concentrated nutrients
How do you eat fenugreek seeds ? 🤷♀️
i tried them raw, but almost broke my teeth. I then ground them in a food processor, and cooked them for up to 15 minutes with other stuff...
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 thank you from Germany
@@conqueragingordietrying1797is trigenolline heat resistant ?
@@httt7760 not sure
Seems like it's Important to check!@@conqueragingordietrying1797
Why not just consume something to lower your cd38 levels? Apigenin from food?
Apigenin is already in the approach, ~100mg/d from fresh parsley (60g/d), so it's not likely a CD38 issue
Why dont you give it a try to ''clover seeds' while it has the most trigonelline in it?
I could, but I'm not sure about taste-have you eaten them?
I m planning to encapsulate it and take a few grams a day but will wait until watching ur fenugreek results.@@conqueragingordietrying1797
Does your blood test test for hormones? Fenugreek is know to increase estrogen.
Testosterone on the 1/15 test was 971, so I'm not worried about increasing estrogen, if that's actually true in my case
I haven't measured it, though
It is phytoestrogenic, but I dont think it increases estrogen- phytoestrogen just mimics estrogen to keep estrogen receptors happy. In fact, I it seems to increase testosterone levels because it inhibits the enzymes like aromatase and 5-alpha-reductase and limits the metabolism of serum testosterone. I also just read that it positively reduced body fat, increased lean body mass, improved muscle strength and endurance, and accelerated the rate of glycogen resynthesis during post-exercise recovery. Its anabolic and androgenic activity is responsible for enhanced muscle performance. I wish I could take it myself now, but I can’t because I am on HRT
“Fenugreek and Its Effects on Muscle Performance: A Systematic Review”
by Waleed I. Albaker
didnt u try chickpeas in the past and noticed they had no correlation with any biomarkers?
Yes, but I didn't measure homocysteine, NAD, epigenetics or metabolomics during those tests...
btw i was thinking... at the end of the day and all considered aren't u basically following the mediterranean diet? i guess that is the best...
Maybe a higher-fiber version (85 vs 30g/d) without olive oil (olives instead) and wine. But, I didn't settle on this diet because of published data in others...
i guess... the sardines do have olive oil tho don't they? dropping alchool is good imo @@conqueragingordietrying1797
bruuuuh what's this cliffhanger did it work or not
Chickpeas didn't raise NAD, that's in the video
For the fenugreek experiment I sent blood for analysis on 2/2, results are expected by the 15th, I'll post them as soon as they're in
u may be somewhat opposed to the concept of supplements
but if u wanna #livethathustlelife u could just create some lab tested trigonelline (maybe fenugreek/coffee extract) and sell it
u got some phd so u got some good amount of credibility (which in ur case compared to many other phd ppl for once is actual fact)
could get rid of ur day job eventually if sales r good (which u mentioned in another vid is a potential longterm wish of urs) and since trigonelline (among other cool things u find) is largely unknown (by the supplement industry) so u could be spearheading that sector probably relatively easily
great thing about supplements is that they r like a subscription service, so they provide a steady income once the balls gotten rolling 😂
Hi Michael, perhaps it is a problem of bioavailability.
Besides this, I don't know if you've seen, Kay Bart has made a video about your last video on fiber. I was wondering if you had any comments. Kay Bart is kind of like a dumbass character, but let's stick to the scientific arguments.