Yeah, and all smokie needs to do is talk to them like he did with claire and sayid. Sawyer didn’t know it but he was being manipulated into bringing all the candidates into the submarine. Thankfully desmond brought back the good sayid to his senses, smokie didn’t know about their time in the freighter. They probably bonded so well after the constant and became besties. 🥰 Also when the helicopter landed in the freighter, who did desmond run to? To explain the bomb? Sayid.
He wasn’t afraid because he saw the other side, he new he was gonna be with his friends in the other world where they’d be reunited, a world the Man In Black would never go to.
I just love how MIB has watched people for thousands of years and thinks he knows them so well. So evil, so corrupt, so self-serving. That's how MIB views people. He doesn't understand Desmond and I think that scares him just a little bit.
He wonders if it's already destined for him to push Desmond down the well, and if it would hurt his plans to get off the island. MIB's biggest fear is that everything is designed to always be one step ahead of him, because that's exactly how Jacob arranged everything. He pushed him down the well anyways out of anger, because if he can't trust himself to do what he wants, then he'll be frozen in fear about what to do and then definitely won't ever be able to leave the island....but that too is part of Jacob's plan of setting everything up to be one step ahead of him. Jacob simply knew MIB too well, to the point that no matter what MIB tried to do, Jacob was always one step ahead of him. MIB knew it too, but he was hoping that eventually Jacob would make a mistake. Except Jacob didn't make mistakes, because he was more powerful than MIB, able to travel through time and exist after death as long as his ashes were burning. When MIB kicked Jacob in the fire, he unwittingly did exactly what Jacob wanted him to do. That's why the fire was set to begin with. That allowed Jacob to transcend time and basically had all the time in the world to go visit people and execute his plans. When you see Jacob visiting people off the island, from Jacob's perspective, this is after his death, because physically Jacob was never actually there, he was just a manifestation. It was MIB's rash anger that was ultimately his undoing. It's what blinded him to moments where it should have been obvious Jacob set everything up. He should have known that he wanted Ben to kill him, and that he set that fire in that room specifically because he knew MIB would kick him in it out of anger and finally being free of Jacob.
Fear is probably the main weapon MiB used too, trying to use people's fear to get them to do what he wants. For the first time he has encountered someone with no fear and can't understand it.
Exactly, it makes mib seem so petty that Desmond has let go of all stake in the world because he knows about the afterlife but mib is still so emotionally invested in the world. And when he asks Desmond why he's not afraid he might think someone told him that mib cant kill him, which is why mib as always so cocky cause he knew he couldn't die
@@peoplez129 Jacob arranged everything by seeing the future the same way desmond did, and MiB knew Jacob could see the future. It's like Hurley said to Charlie "Any plan you come up with, he's gonna see it coming". Thats why MiB had to alter history with his time wheel to have a chance at beating Jacob. In this scene he probably wonders if Desmond has been told he can't be killed by MiB. Jacob left most people in the dark but he told some of his followers more than others. Dogan knew a lot more than anyone for example. Thats why he threw Desomond down the well, because MiB fears he knows too much. Jacob was always one step ahead, and MiB thought he finally had a victory when he killed Jacob with Ben, but thats why Jacob spoke to MiB not to show respect but to tell him he hasn't won anything, the candidates are coming, and you still can't leave. I think Jacob could've come back as a ghost even if his body didn't burn, that was just MiB being impatient and sadistic. And he never left the island when he was dead he confirmed that with Hurley. He thought he could win because he knew Jacob would follow his rules and his philosophy on not forcing anyone to do whats right, so MiB was right to think he could win but he always feared that Jacob would have an ultimate plan which is why he was genuinely afraid when Jack said he would kill him after he proved he just spoke with Jacob who gave him critical information. MiB always depended on Jacob leaving people in the dark.
Yeah, and before this scene kid jacob appeared smiling to desmond, Like he’s happy to see him. Kid jacob appeared and wasn’t smiling at sawyer before. Desmond: who’s that kid? MIB: ignore him! (He was angry he knew desmond is special to jacob somehow)
"God knows how long it took them..." subtly narsassistic as obviously he knows how long it took as he was there when it was dug. His dialogue was amazing, always subtly presenting his evil or hidden intentions/views.
"[They] did it completely by hand. God knows how long it took. [...] They were looking for answers.[...] Did they find what they were looking for? No, they didn't" PERFECT metaphor for the whole show...
Well...there's more to it than that. Desmond felt the peace of knowing whatever THEY are, even Smokey can't touch there. He felt the peace that they all felt as they awakened in the pre-Afterlife. Desmond has been touched by the light to such a degree that he no longer has any fear and just goes with it. Jacob had that same peace. Jack does too. Locke actually got there as well, only he felt he failed and embraced the notion that he's supposed to die (as fed to him by Smokey through Richard & Christian).
Thing I like about this scene is that it neatly correlates to the outrage Ben had towards Jacob saying "What about you?". But instead of God saying it to Man, it's like Man saying it back to God.
Desmond isn't afraid because he knows about the alternate reality and what he has to look forward to. The type of information is what Flocke is using to mislead his followers to helping him escape.
@AleezaChocolat He obviously can't kill Desmond, because Desmond is not just a candidate, but probably above that level. So he gets Sayid to do it, and I'm wondering if Sayid even killed Desmond to begin with.
this moment was slightly disturbing, my guess since desmond is alive in the preview, smokie did not intend to kill him, just put him some place that nobody can find him.
Did anyone not see this coming as soon as they arrived? All that foresight Desmond has, and yet it didn't register that the man (who BTW dosen't act at all like Locke used to) had him tied to a tree, and was staring him down like a piece of bad meat earlier, might not be the kinda guy you wanna stand next two a well with? Its kind of like the creepy guy inviting you into his scary looking van for some "candy" Its always a bad idea.
Oh he had a good feeling it was not for good intentions, but the reason he went is because literally the title of the video...he knew the ending and wasn't afraid anymore so he literally didn't care what happened to him here in a way,not that hes suicidal, just a lack of fear.....and yes even though with lack of fear would still instinctively scream being thrown down a well so the scene still works fine.
@@danielhicks4826 Desmond died before he actually died and realized that there is no true death. Once that happens...fear evaporates. With that, so goes the anger and inner conflict. As a result, Desmond becomes peaceful. If you note, he bashed the cr@p out of Widmore's head before they subjected Desmond to the EM test. Afterwards, Desmond was as cool as a cucumber.
+Tom Smith No, because the Orchid station was built in that place after that (but that well was built by the same men for the same purpose). The DRARMA Initiative knew there was an energy pocket below the surface -- just like there was another pocket known by an ancient society who built wells.
6Pope9 yeah by this point he is too far gone with "darkness". if he left the island he would probablu manipulated a shit ton of people. probably form a cult or something and have them do horrendous shit to gain things especially considering how much the world is different to the island..
@@kbanghart It a brilliant question because it makes Sayid consider HOW he will be seen by the person for whom he's willing to commit cold-blooded murder. He's in effect telling Sayid how can she love a man who does such and thing, and would she even be YOUR Nadia if she was able to love and accept a man who would do such a thing.
@RocAha8ter He seems to be moving "through God's channel." Desmond can see all the things that God can see. Like Dr. Manhattan in "Watchmen", he's not puppet master, but he can still see the strings.
Its to establish that theres something different about Desmond and for MiB to recognise that and fear him in return. He doesnt like those who he cant use for his own ends, and using people for his own ends requires them to fear him and what he is. He knows Desmond is a weapon that has been brought to the island on Jacob's orders as a measure of last resort to kill him and that un-nerves him because he doesnt understand fully what kind of threat he represents. At the same time he decides that Desmonds resistance to electromagnetism is something he can use himself to leave the island, to destroy it. The well really is just somewhere he can keep Des until he needs him. Had he proved more fearful and malleable MiB might not have pushed him down there and would have recruited him but hislack of fear is unsettling to the MiB and he'd rather have him out the time being. Thats the purpose of the scene
@@supremeworld87 but he didn't want to use Des any longer, bc he sent Sayid to kill him. So, MAYBE MIB knew that Des would talk Sayid out of it??? Hmmm
@@supremeworld87 I would only add to your thoughtful comment some 4 years later that, Smokey is a product of a human being either dying, dead or on the verge of death filled with fear, anger, frustration, judgment, loathing, a sense of isolation and disassociation (from his brother, his "mother" and his actual bio-mom, and the very people she came to the Island with that has been impacted by the Light directly. Desmond conversely is a man who is filled with love, faith, kinship, belonging, purpose, peace, trust etc. and has been touched, perhaps more than any other living human being, by the energy from the Light. It's quite possible that Desmond came into direct contact with Light when he turned the failsafe key. Desmond is the counterpoint to Smokey...imbued in some sense with the Light's power, but with goodness in his heart. Smokey is an embodiment of a fragment of the Light, but with darkness in his heart (filled with bitterness and resentment). MiB never saw what was "across the sea" but Desmond saw what was there. He visited the alternative reality where the Oceanic and Island's visitors went and perhaps even saw their journey into the Light itself. Desmond was fearless and understood, what Smokey never could...that the Light is his true home, that there is NOTHING Across the Sea but more of what he witnessed on the Island...flawed, broken, imperfect people stumbling, bumbling through their lives filled with mistakes and regrets but for the most part endeavoring to be good and noble and virtuous, but sometimes falling prey to fear and anger driven conflict and strife.
MiB stands for Man in Black right? Because John Locke is the black smoke. But it's nonsensical to call him MiB because at no point does he actually wear black clothes.
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That went down well.
Haha
Well that sucks
Well done.
lol
Well we’ll well on the wall who went down the well
“Where’s Desmond?”
“Don’t worry. He’s doing WELL.”
When he fell he should of said “see you in another life brother”
Ahahaha tube broththther 😂
The point of being afraid is so that you don't get pushed down wells.
are u a live ?
I think this is when MIB realised that he couldn't manipulate Desmond.
Yeah, and all smokie needs to do is talk to them like he did with claire and sayid. Sawyer didn’t know it but he was being manipulated into bringing all the candidates into the submarine. Thankfully desmond brought back the good sayid to his senses, smokie didn’t know about their time in the freighter. They probably bonded so well after the constant and became besties. 🥰
Also when the helicopter landed in the freighter, who did desmond run to? To explain the bomb? Sayid.
I think that is why he killed Echo also
*previously unknown scene*
VINCENT: Woof, woof woof woof!!
JACK: What, Vincent?
VINCENT: Woof, woof woof woof!!
JACK: What's that, Vincent? Desmond fell down a well??
loool
Well that blows
He wasn’t afraid because he saw the other side, he new he was gonna be with his friends in the other world where they’d be reunited, a world the Man In Black would never go to.
2:25 that scream sounded afraid to me...
+Alphonse Elric more funny
Sounds more like "ARRRRGH NOW I SEE WHAT HE WAS GETTING AT"
I just love how MIB has watched people for thousands of years and thinks he knows them so well. So evil, so corrupt, so self-serving. That's how MIB views people.
He doesn't understand Desmond and I think that scares him just a little bit.
He wonders if it's already destined for him to push Desmond down the well, and if it would hurt his plans to get off the island. MIB's biggest fear is that everything is designed to always be one step ahead of him, because that's exactly how Jacob arranged everything. He pushed him down the well anyways out of anger, because if he can't trust himself to do what he wants, then he'll be frozen in fear about what to do and then definitely won't ever be able to leave the island....but that too is part of Jacob's plan of setting everything up to be one step ahead of him.
Jacob simply knew MIB too well, to the point that no matter what MIB tried to do, Jacob was always one step ahead of him. MIB knew it too, but he was hoping that eventually Jacob would make a mistake. Except Jacob didn't make mistakes, because he was more powerful than MIB, able to travel through time and exist after death as long as his ashes were burning. When MIB kicked Jacob in the fire, he unwittingly did exactly what Jacob wanted him to do. That's why the fire was set to begin with. That allowed Jacob to transcend time and basically had all the time in the world to go visit people and execute his plans. When you see Jacob visiting people off the island, from Jacob's perspective, this is after his death, because physically Jacob was never actually there, he was just a manifestation.
It was MIB's rash anger that was ultimately his undoing. It's what blinded him to moments where it should have been obvious Jacob set everything up. He should have known that he wanted Ben to kill him, and that he set that fire in that room specifically because he knew MIB would kick him in it out of anger and finally being free of Jacob.
Fear is probably the main weapon MiB used too, trying to use people's fear to get them to do what he wants. For the first time he has encountered someone with no fear and can't understand it.
Exactly, it makes mib seem so petty that Desmond has let go of all stake in the world because he knows about the afterlife but mib is still so emotionally invested in the world. And when he asks Desmond why he's not afraid he might think someone told him that mib cant kill him, which is why mib as always so cocky cause he knew he couldn't die
@@peoplez129 Jacob arranged everything by seeing the future the same way desmond did, and MiB knew Jacob could see the future. It's like Hurley said to Charlie "Any plan you come up with, he's gonna see it coming". Thats why MiB had to alter history with his time wheel to have a chance at beating Jacob. In this scene he probably wonders if Desmond has been told he can't be killed by MiB. Jacob left most people in the dark but he told some of his followers more than others. Dogan knew a lot more than anyone for example. Thats why he threw Desomond down the well, because MiB fears he knows too much.
Jacob was always one step ahead, and MiB thought he finally had a victory when he killed Jacob with Ben, but thats why Jacob spoke to MiB not to show respect but to tell him he hasn't won anything, the candidates are coming, and you still can't leave. I think Jacob could've come back as a ghost even if his body didn't burn, that was just MiB being impatient and sadistic. And he never left the island when he was dead he confirmed that with Hurley.
He thought he could win because he knew Jacob would follow his rules and his philosophy on not forcing anyone to do whats right, so MiB was right to think he could win but he always feared that Jacob would have an ultimate plan which is why he was genuinely afraid when Jack said he would kill him after he proved he just spoke with Jacob who gave him critical information. MiB always depended on Jacob leaving people in the dark.
Yeah, and before this scene kid jacob appeared smiling to desmond, Like he’s happy to see him. Kid jacob appeared and wasn’t smiling at sawyer before.
Desmond: who’s that kid?
MIB: ignore him! (He was angry he knew desmond is special to jacob somehow)
"God knows how long it took them..." subtly narsassistic as obviously he knows how long it took as he was there when it was dug. His dialogue was amazing, always subtly presenting his evil or hidden intentions/views.
“What is the point in being afraid?”- one of my favorite lines
Desmond: What's the point of being afraid? : - ) *gets pushed in the well* RAAAAAAA!!!!
2;13 WHAT IS THE POINT IN BEING AFRAID ---- IT KEEPS YOU FROM GETTING THROWN INTO A WELL
"[They] did it completely by hand. God knows how long it took. [...] They were looking for answers.[...] Did they find what they were looking for? No, they didn't" PERFECT metaphor for the whole show...
lmao
Actually they found remember desmond was coward now he is not afraid
The PERFECT DESCRIPTION to this show.
That little dumbfounded look that "Locke" gave before he pushed Desmond was so great.
that wasn't lock.
He's afraid of desmond because desmond isnt afraid of him
That smile into the abrupt ending... LOL!
“Throw the Scott down the well! So my Monster can be free!”
Desmond sounded pretty afraid when he was falling, lol!
Underrated comment. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol funny. Hope you're doing well 😅
Instincts
Well that didnt end well...
Such a good joke hahahhaaha
Well, well, well Desmond!
Sure did
Well played, Man in Black!
He really cared about Desmond's well-being :P
All’s well that ends well
Desmond saw the afterlife
Monster can't do shit to him now
Well...there's more to it than that. Desmond felt the peace of knowing whatever THEY are, even Smokey can't touch there. He felt the peace that they all felt as they awakened in the pre-Afterlife. Desmond has been touched by the light to such a degree that he no longer has any fear and just goes with it. Jacob had that same peace. Jack does too. Locke actually got there as well, only he felt he failed and embraced the notion that he's supposed to die (as fed to him by Smokey through Richard & Christian).
Thing I like about this scene is that it neatly correlates to the outrage Ben had towards Jacob saying "What about you?". But instead of God saying it to Man, it's like Man saying it back to God.
Man in Black Made that well himself
That went down well.
I know that was already commented, but:
"I won't comment... for eight years!"
Well let's see how it goes 😁
When Locke grins I lose it every time
This is one of the best scenes of season 6. :)
Hope Desmond is feeling Well
Desmond isn't afraid because he knows about the alternate reality and what he has to look forward to. The type of information is what Flocke is using to mislead his followers to helping him escape.
@AleezaChocolat He obviously can't kill Desmond, because Desmond is not just a candidate, but probably above that level. So he gets Sayid to do it, and I'm wondering if Sayid even killed Desmond to begin with.
@Transformers217 Well in the promo for that Episode it showed syed shooting a gun down the well but in the episode that scene was not showed
Well....well....well.
Was there a splash when fLocke dropped the torch down the well?
Desmond now has to swim/paddle every 108 seconds to stay afloat, lol ;)
well....that went WELL...ha
On a side note, WHY was leaning over it so precariously...I mean he was pretty much asking for it at that point.
Because he wasn't afraid
See you in another well, brotha!
Well, that was unexpected...
Oh well.
Now that is a great plot hole
that is the point ahhhhhhhhhhhaaa
All I'm saying is Desmond had better survive - he rules!
Well well well
Lol you could see this coming. Evil MIB
This was a badass scene for Desmond until he got tossed into the well haha
DEsmond so far so good! woops rock bottom......
why Desmond isn't be afraid?
Bcs he doesn't know that John is the black smoke.
@@3aadelLOL he know future rewach LOST
this moment was slightly disturbing, my guess since desmond is alive in the preview, smokie did not intend to kill him, just put him some place that nobody can find him.
Jus get in that,haha!
Did anyone not see this coming as soon as they arrived?
All that foresight Desmond has, and yet it didn't register that the man (who BTW dosen't act at all like Locke used to) had him tied to a tree, and was staring him down like a piece of bad meat earlier, might not be the kinda guy you wanna stand next two a well with?
Its kind of like the creepy guy inviting you into his scary looking van for some "candy" Its always a bad idea.
Oh he had a good feeling it was not for good intentions, but the reason he went is because literally the title of the video...he knew the ending and wasn't afraid anymore so he literally didn't care what happened to him here in a way,not that hes suicidal, just a lack of fear.....and yes even though with lack of fear would still instinctively scream being thrown down a well so the scene still works fine.
@@danielhicks4826 Desmond died before he actually died and realized that there is no true death. Once that happens...fear evaporates. With that, so goes the anger and inner conflict. As a result, Desmond becomes peaceful. If you note, he bashed the cr@p out of Widmore's head before they subjected Desmond to the EM test. Afterwards, Desmond was as cool as a cucumber.
Is this the same well that John dropped into to try and save the island
+Tom Smith No, because the Orchid station was built in that place after that (but that well was built by the same men for the same purpose). The DRARMA Initiative knew there was an energy pocket below the surface -- just like there was another pocket known by an ancient society who built wells.
He almost seems annoyed.
👹 Might Satan be lurking at your chamber door? 👹
And maybe do a little song and dance down there maybe someone may heard u
YAH!!!
Desmond was a candidate?
Desmond landed head first...and he was fine?
@Paulo Pereira why he cant he was not a candidate
@@adam3435 maybe cuz Jacob had written his name down in the cave. I can't remember now, it's been awhile since I saw the show
He didn’t land head first, if you watch closely he turns and lands on his back.
(Locke throws Desmond into the wall)
Desmond: well at least I have hair
Locke: that’s it I’m coming down here
Desmond: bring it on baldie
Desmond O'toole
The show runners took entirely too long to introduce some of this stuff.
No it was fine
locke was afraid of desmond
I am sympathetic towards MIB, I wanted him to win at the end of all things.
its just a mask. if he'd won, the evil would spread out.
6Pope9 yeah by this point he is too far gone with "darkness". if he left the island he would probablu manipulated a shit ton of people. probably form a cult or something and have them do horrendous shit to gain things especially considering how much the world is different to the island..
Why???)
Oh well
@thecrimsonbubbles ho ho ho
@ginnoveffect lol
2:13 That's not how it works Desmond
does anybody knows why said didnt kiled desmond in te well?
Yes, you should have watch that scene, it's really good. Des asks Sayid what he will tell Nadia, how he got her back.
@@kbanghart oh i remember. tyy
@@kbanghart It a brilliant question because it makes Sayid consider HOW he will be seen by the person for whom he's willing to commit cold-blooded murder. He's in effect telling Sayid how can she love a man who does such and thing, and would she even be YOUR Nadia if she was able to love and accept a man who would do such a thing.
@RocAha8ter He seems to be moving "through God's channel." Desmond can see all the things that God can see. Like Dr. Manhattan in "Watchmen", he's not puppet master, but he can still see the strings.
Why does UA-cam think this is music? lol
@DannysWorldTV I know, that was VERY interesting! :)
What's the point of this scene...
locke trying to take away desmond's bravery
To make Desmond go from a state of not being stuck down a well... To being stuck down a well.
Its to establish that theres something different about Desmond and for MiB to recognise that and fear him in return. He doesnt like those who he cant use for his own ends, and using people for his own ends requires them to fear him and what he is. He knows Desmond is a weapon that has been brought to the island on Jacob's orders as a measure of last resort to kill him and that un-nerves him because he doesnt understand fully what kind of threat he represents. At the same time he decides that Desmonds resistance to electromagnetism is something he can use himself to leave the island, to destroy it. The well really is just somewhere he can keep Des until he needs him. Had he proved more fearful and malleable MiB might not have pushed him down there and would have recruited him but hislack of fear is unsettling to the MiB and he'd rather have him out the time being. Thats the purpose of the scene
@@supremeworld87 but he didn't want to use Des any longer, bc he sent Sayid to kill him.
So, MAYBE MIB knew that Des would talk Sayid out of it??? Hmmm
@@supremeworld87 I would only add to your thoughtful comment some 4 years later that, Smokey is a product of a human being either dying, dead or on the verge of death filled with fear, anger, frustration, judgment, loathing, a sense of isolation and disassociation (from his brother, his "mother" and his actual bio-mom, and the very people she came to the Island with that has been impacted by the Light directly. Desmond conversely is a man who is filled with love, faith, kinship, belonging, purpose, peace, trust etc. and has been touched, perhaps more than any other living human being, by the energy from the Light. It's quite possible that Desmond came into direct contact with Light when he turned the failsafe key. Desmond is the counterpoint to Smokey...imbued in some sense with the Light's power, but with goodness in his heart. Smokey is an embodiment of a fragment of the Light, but with darkness in his heart (filled with bitterness and resentment).
MiB never saw what was "across the sea" but Desmond saw what was there. He visited the alternative reality where the Oceanic and Island's visitors went and perhaps even saw their journey into the Light itself. Desmond was fearless and understood, what Smokey never could...that the Light is his true home, that there is NOTHING Across the Sea but more of what he witnessed on the Island...flawed, broken, imperfect people stumbling, bumbling through their lives filled with mistakes and regrets but for the most part endeavoring to be good and noble and virtuous, but sometimes falling prey to fear and anger driven conflict and strife.
not even a finger broke from that fall..fucking bs.
MiB stands for Man in Black right? Because John Locke is the black smoke. But it's nonsensical to call him MiB because at no point does he actually wear black clothes.
He does actually.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_Black_(Lost)
Jacob refers to him as a man in black when he talks to Richard for the first time.