One of the most disturbing scenes in the series, the way he cuts down that woman without hesitation. "You told her not to talk to me. That makes her pointless." :o
+Jean-Marie Bigard - Kind of, sort of, not really. His imprisonment on the island transformed him into a monster, both literally and figuratively. He wasn't always evil, but his desire to be free led him to doing some truly heinous things.
It's nothing to do with consciousness merging, it's just that he's been doing this for a few thousand years. He's so desperate to get off hte island that he has no compassion or patience for potential enemies.
@@jean-mariebigard5512 How is it out of character? Even back in the day he commented on how Mother was right about the people being greedy and manipulative and how they were merely the means to an end for him.
It was really shocking to see Charles so vulnerable in this scene. He's always been the one in charge, even when Ben breaks into his home and threatens to kill his daughter he's not phased. Something about him just hiding in a dark closet from the MiB is kind of terrifying to watch.
One in charge? Ben schools him constantly. Ben owned Widmore throughout their entire relationship. He was more intelligent, more capable, more hands on, a better strategist, a better leader, enjoyed greater loyalty from Richard, I could go on and on. Widmore was a butthurt little bitch who was thick as pigshit in this scene and nearly doomed all of humanity to certain death with the important information he was leaking about Desmond. Thank god for Ben
Stripped of his wealth and minions, Widmore's just a vulnerable jaboney like the rest of us. And Widmore has some strong notion WHAT the Locke-ness Monster is.
Actually, IMO only, Ben was long conning Smokey to get to Widmore. He wanted revenge for Widmore sending Keamy to the Island and it resulting in Alex getting executed. After that, Ben was really done...he wasn't really doing anything...just trying to stay alive...seem useful to Smokey.
Ben is a cold hearted murderer screw him. Not for Whitmore but for Locke, Jacob, Cesar, Alex, trying to kill the main characters dozens of times, kidnapping children (Alex and Walt), lying to everyone, having Mikhail executed those 2 women at the underwater station, etc. I don't get how people forgive him just because he is supposedly sorry about everything that happened
@@victorpradha9946I think this is accurate. The line "he doesn't get to save his daughter" can be interpreted two ways: on the surface it placates the MIB's plan, but he's really saying "but someone will save her as I will make sure you don't get to kill her either" as I believe at this point he is well on the road to redemption for his sins in the past 2 seasons.
Yeah I hear a lot of people complaining about Ben's characterisation here after he had turned a corner but you have to understand he's trying to do nothing more than stay alive at this point, he's dealing with someone who's been around for 1000 years and is extremely difficult to deceive. He's just playing things minute by minute and doing whatever he can to prevent MiB from seeing him as useless and killing him. So he plays up to the old Ben. Remember Ben's is a crossed off candidate so can be killed by MiB at any time.
@@warrioroffpeace3673 he was but his name was crossed out at some point in the past. his name is on the lighthouse wheel. its never mentioned on the show but is something you can pick up from examining the lighthouse wheel.
I always really liked Ben as the main villain of the series during the first few seasons, after the third season when he leaves the island it was a very drastic change in my eyes seeing him go from someone all powerful who led the Others to just a former leader who got beat up by everyone but anyway I really like this series
@@supremeworld87the Linus on the wheel could also be referring to this father Roger Linus, which could explain why the name is crossed out because Roger is dead.
NC Quadraxis jacob told him to. theres a scene where bem asks him how he managed to return to the island and charles says he met jacob and he told him everything.
@@atiqaly6567 Although, Charles know how to go in and out the island with the good degree. The cargo didn't did it in season 4 because going into the island and lmaking one compass mistake would let them lose their mind like Minkowski.
Boulbi Boulga you misunderstood, at first charles was looking for the island so he sent the cargo and his people to search for it, and they managed to find it, then jacob went to charles and talked to him, and thats how he managed to go to the island himself
I missed this Ben - the man with the plan. I think he killed Widmore not only for revenge, but also to prevent the Man in Black from knowing why Desmond was brought there - he just wasn't fast enough. He's finally one of the good guys, even though his actions seem questionable.
Ben was conning Smokey at this point. He could have killed Widmore at any point but waited until he knew what Smokey was looking for. Once he knew, then he killed Widmore hoping to prevent Widmore from empowering Smokey with more info under the guise of killing Widmore to prevent him from "saving his daughter".
I've always wondered if Ben and Charles had an agreement/protocol to kill the other before the MiB or some other threatening 'third party' on the Island got critical intel. I'm reminded here of when Mikhail shot Miss Klugh outside The Flame, and simply all of the times Ben's actions were anything but how they appeared at face value. I think they acknowledged the Island trumped their own agendas.
I never even thought of that. It just came to me today that Ben killed Widmore, not for revenge, but to help everyone. If Widmore had lived he could have tried to help Locke/Smoke get off the island.
Widmore wanted to weponize the smoke monster he wanted to harness the power and magic of the island to rule over everything but little did he know The Island would fight back in the most bizarre way possible. Widmore killed so many innocent people to get what he wanted that’s why The Others were so Hostile to the survivors they didn’t know if they were with him or not and couldn’t take any chances.
"that’s why The Others were so Hostile to the survivors they didn’t know if they were with him or not " What? It was literally shown they had intel about the plane and who was on it like 20 minutes after it crashed, they knew exactly that they are not with Widmore
I'm 100% sure that when the Man In Black would be human again after losing his Monster powers (after the island energy would be gone) , Ben would have killed him. The Monster wasn't afraid of Ben because he can't be killed.
Because Jacob had made these rules so that Ben couldn't hurt any of the 'candidates', back then Widmore was technically a candidate so he couldn't be killed, however once Jacob was dead, his rules no longer applied. In any case, Ben wanted to make Widmore suffer the same pain that he did.
chcikenpencil jacobs dead so his rules dnt apply?? then why couldnt men in black kill the candidates??. i think charles and ben couldnt kill eachother because they had their own rules but they could change them, just like charles manage to kill bens daughter, not the same rules like jacob and his brother had or the candidates where they just couldnt break them.
Yeah, it's clear that are rules in place even after Jacob's death. No one can directly kill candidates, MIB can't leave unless candidates leave with him, etc. The fact is that we don't get to know what all of the rules are. It does seem that there is a rule of "Others can't kill others". Widmore broke the rule when Alex was killed.. or maybe he circumvented the rule since he didn't pull the trigger, but had Keamy (a non-Other, technically?) pull the trigger. It seems that Ben saw this as deciding that technicalities are now in play, and Penny might not technically be an Other so she can be killed now. That's what "changing the rules" meant. Ben even tried to kill her himself. It actually kind of mirrors the Jacob/MIB situation. MIB can't kill Jacob, but found a loophole by getting an Other to kill Jacob. Just like Widmore can't kill Ben or Alex, but found a loophole by getting a non-Other to do it for him.
Like when he's describing the well to Desmond and he goes," right yeah very old" it reminds me of my grandmother often tgroughtout the day she takes a breather, normal activities that she once had blown through seem now as if they are a herdle of obsticles she pushes herself to get through, it's when she takes a moment and leans into whatever arm chair or counter top is closest to her, she'll have that stationary immobile look about her but she'll be shruggen her shoulders at times like she's all about in for the ride. Ellie may be old in her 70's but Grandmother Mary Cisco made it to 89 and had the personality of the white witch of Oz while Ellie is nowhere near as ballsy as the wicked witch she must had been the sister whom dorthey's house landed on. When I were a boy I was as bright and rosey as Regan McNeill until it were that all the outsiders and the adults wished to try and steal my happiness away so I could be wretched like them. This only encouraged me into becoming master at dark arts of lords while still a very much devoted to God, I am ever so loyal, to the lord of lords in his majesty that hovers over the world and the king of kings, nature's man, and enlightened saviors, missionaries protect after the sick and weak. Something of an antichrist spirit brings final heed and warning. In place of Christ is an anti with traits of a tyrant , quick to be called an agent of evil, however I believe there are those with the antichrist spirit that are living out Christ's agenda, doing his will, in their own fassion, from an extreme angle, and opposite side of the spectrum. But shall come to be known as triumphant in their doing, someday there will be no room for all this confusion and the truth will be consumed like living a flashback to an alternate reality however rather than having memories of past lives coming back to you, it's another version of the truth, what went down in history, you get to watch from the perspective of say an angel or Say10, and imagine rediscovering 10 planets in all their glory while having the freedom to decide/choose which great adventure might you wanna go on? Not all men, the evil boogiemen of history, are understood for the way they should be talked about and discussed today, anyones opinion if that, is completely narrow minded.
People have nothing to say. And for this let there be change, either way NOTHING will have it's way, I hope for the sake of our black mass, new babylon will wake up and see that dead space (black matter) is just an architype same such as a rocking chair. Things without intelligence however are dependable and always remain at work to our advantage the climate has made it through 4000bc-2017ad. If climate changes jarrastically (jarrasically correct sp I pronounce it by using my universal right to apply wikipedia the exchange of public achivists encycle their very own social database simply for articulate speaking labryth literature trained darwinian fraud science lab geeks take time to impress others to how brilliant they are, or boast to themself mentally and egotistically it's the riddleful and troublesome combination of 3 deadly spices when a splice of envy works as a persistant virus together with greed and than also pride into lust, what have you is a spiraling out of control, but 2 become the useless idiot though a sufficient tool such is the recipe that creates a vicious diobolical werewolf type. Inner turmoil and the malice that drives the beast of reality's pride and lust eat away under and on top of the skin where evil always lurks, I've heard them express our world as the alien-8-nation how grey and without balance of a fair road. Rocky horror haiti's picture show. It's already begun. I bare witness to the calamity of damage, calateral, laderalious, my works here are like a latter, as I go up and as I go down, every memory, every face of every soul, glory be to the newfoundland saints may you be blessaid with our nuns who are virgins. 72 two sides to the same coin. Think realistically now because everything gets borrowed, measured, and sold. Triple crossed are the sentencing beware of 3 judges, while everyday is a present, you only regard as to 1 you fail to understand principalities, you stand before 1/3 of the great 3Y3 with your hand firm on the black book. Has anyone ever challenged this juristiction of payrollyees and black robbed necromancing grave burglers of everything post mordem bioflesh inbombed with "antifreeze 4 dead bodies" sold by the likes of Mortisha's monthly catelog treats brought to you right out from Gotham city the market on the flea, the black robes of bureuacracrownose sour krout pig snout parage, sippers of slurpy livers served in sauce upawn an oversized laidle, mother goon of gore convenscated all circular devices and gave us a China backwards set A-NihC's surgical diner set comes in silver and sky blue, our grave yard scalvage team brings back jewerly, bodies, coffins, taylored fit wear and if your lucky a family's buried secrets can turn up too sometimes and become worth a pretty penny. Handwritten avenge letters, audio and/or video of confessions are sometimes buried with the dead and work as a time capsule failsafe last resort to make sure the truth and your neck stay insured. Honesty is the best policy ya know why? Because I trust me before I ever can trust any of you bastards with my life once I have my back turned. There comes a time I'm not as pirched over the city as I use to be on top of the pillar like a smoke monster at the ice capades. No I ain't talking Addabeasie's Sibirian jungle muscle. When Mr. ECKO met an ancient deity that had no name, it had been researched at Giza, Africa's freaky cornerstone of the glorious pictorial language-speech +freeze the definitive portrayal of reality speaks in a way that only the mind can identify the ringtone of truth that has no need for letters or numbers which could be easily made into a lie or derranged/derailed from it's original track set however when you have a pictograph describing supernatural attributes without the freedom to describe in sentences you only have a much more cornered artist blessed with having been the grandest but earliest gift barer of Dec25th into January. Death of the 3 seasons of sunlight to/2 FIVE many will die and become a victim to the solidous winter solace wind but time will be renewed, the gods 4 names of the months 4 names of the days and while numbers ever cycle like one great big wheel giving power consistantly to the gods our birthdays are like a phantom holiday dislodged unlike a predictable wave that happens every year in the sky centerfolds of power unto the otherside, it won't become us to foolishly parade ourselves around as if our swagger can grant us godhood. Dust beneath their fingernails is all you are "gangster" "hustler" "stardrunk" lack so above so below, what you all really need is for someone to teach you. Mother your children with the legacy of a family dream. One picture can give creedance to an origin story as told if it were a spell of phantom gold, it's one thing to screw up playing telephone and another when your village failed to hold sacred your family portrait had been passed down generations however you are positive it's not an image of your immediate family carved into the stone tablet so why is it so important? Hydraglyphs (heiroglyphs) were the perfection of what we know today as poetic biblical scripture, the auther/illustrator came from a time where the only narrowminded trait about a character was having been tasked with creating symbolism to house as the walls and foundation of a doctrine or religion so have you in the case of acient egypt which I believe in many cases much is derived from the tower of Babel, Babylon the first aborted empire, volcanic erruption of human potential fastforward to present day scarlet drunk on the blood of saints, universal world wide reaching as far as any place named after the saints. Tattooed In Reverse!!! So fuckin true!
Hah. I noticed something funny after watching this scene for so many times. When Widmore says "I'm not saying anymore in FRONT of him" than both of them look at Ben silently asking him to leave Ben makes that sarcastic face and turns around standing still in the same place so they can continue talking since they are not in FRONT of him anymore but he is turned back to them now. HAHAHA. As a result of that MiB suggests Widmore to whisper instead of losing time trying to convince Ben to leave. This is gorgeus how in the most serius scenes they menaged to include such a hilarious pieces. Look closely at MiBs face betwen 2:01 - 2:05 is like when you tell your child to clean up the room for the hundred time but he still doesn't listen and you give up. In fact that is the moment when Widmore is willing to co-work with MiB just to survive and Ben is there to make sure that doesn't happen for two reasons. For the well being of the island. And because it is what he is currently doing - working with MiB to survive. Ben was affraid that Widmore would be more waluable to MiB than he is.
It's a good theory, I think why Ben killed Widmore isn't clear at any point, many say the reason Ben did it was because of Alex's death but I don't think that's it
@@-GearUp There's a fair chance that Ben clearly did want to make Widmore pay for Alex getting executed by Keamy who Ben was convinced was sent by Widmore to do exactly what Keamy did...kill a whole bunch of people to get to Ben. Before coming back to the Island, Ben tried to kill Penny and was about to do it too, but for seeing baby Charlie. Ben still harbored quite a great deal of anger, resentment and vengefulness towards Widmore. But here, there's a strong argument to made that Ben used the fact that Smokey who have known that Ben wanted to kill Widmore to kill Widmore before Widmore to give Smokey the last "piece" of the puzzle he needs to get off the Island. On some level Ben still was in the service of the Island here, but also managed to get his revenge on Widmore too.
@jokingpenguin: The island's "light" provided the means by which humans pass into the afterlife (which was not shown so no particular religion would be upset). Remember the end: Everyone walked from the church into the light. That would not have been possible without saving the island; for ANYONE in the world. A lot of people don't see that point, which make this the best ending possible. How can you do better than saving the world? Saving the world PLUS the afterlife. Brilliant ending.
This is Ben with the Men In Black (locke) don't be confused they love to kill you have Ben who calls the shots and the Black Smoke which can't be destroyed only till Jack kills him and dies in the process.
Somewhat fitting that Ben executed Charles while knowing that a loved one was being threatened. Kind of mirrors Alex's execution when she died in despair hearing from her own "father" that she meant nothing to him. This was purely personal. In hindsight, Ben's line "he doesn't get to save his daughter" may have had a double meaning, and in fact is a direct threat to the MIB himself. Who, then, gets to save Penny? Ironically, I think at this stage Ben wants to be the one to do so as part of the plan to redeem himself for being manipulated into killing Jacob and for allowing Alex to die, given his character development in this final season.
@jokingpenguin Because he wants to be free. That's all. He's been trapped on the Island by Jacob for literally thousands of years - all he wants is to leave. He not a monster, remember, he's a man who was unfortunately turned into one and imprisoned. To leave, he has to put out the Light. Unfortunately, putting out the Light takes away humanity's goodness and makes everyone bad. That's not what he did it for, though - he just wants to leave.
Ruthlessly killing anyone and everyone who stood in your way (of getting OFF the Island) kinda makes you a monster. Also, there 's a strong argument to be made that the Smoke thing was a non self-aware field of energy that served as a security system, but when MiB was tossed in there at the moment of his death, the Smoke thing became imprinted with MiBs consciousness giving IT the pathological need to get OFF the Island and also harbor the same disdain for humanity and hatred/vengefulness toward Jacob.
He killed him because Charles team killed his daughter. The “secret” was that Desmond was the only one who could open the cork at the center of the island.
I never considered Alex's death as the reason Ben killed Widmore since the one who killed Alex was Keamy and Ben killed Keamy shortly after, Ben said that because of Alex's death he was going to kill Penny but then he saw that he shouldn't do that , I think the reason Ben killed Widmore was because he didn't think he deserved to stay alive after so many bad things he did (As if Ben wasn't also a genocide)
And to think that the producers wanted to replace Locke's character with Mr. Ecko! Side note that still would've been interesting to see Mr Ecko as the Man in Black!
Thats wrong, Ben killed Locke while Jacob was alive, he didn't kill Widmore in London because he wanted him to know what is was like to lose a daughter, and anyway Ben never spoke or saw Jacob so how would he know that he couldn't kill him because he was a candidate.
Well, in season 4, Ben mentions that Charles 'changed' the rules, so obviously they're flexible. I think it was just an "Others can't kill Others" thing that if they'd broken, would've ended badly for them. But by this point, the Others are no longer a force on the Island so nobody cares.
The "rules" might also stop applying when an Other is trying to help MIB. Charles was betraying the good of the Island in exchange for the personal benefit of saving Penny's life, that's a betrayal of the Others and Ben is now free to shoot him. Until that point, they were both in service of Jacob, but were fighting over who got to hold power on the Island. Widmore never stopped supporting Jacob, he just wanted to be the leader of the Others again. I wish the show had spent more time on Widmore and explaining his motives, because it's really unclear at times. The show had a lot of unnecessary episodes, but it really needed one episode that explains Widmore's jealousy, and that his attempt to recapture power on the island is about his personal vendetta against Ben but NOT about betraying Jacob and the Others.
@@victorpradha9946 I believe when people refer to rules, they are referring to two separate things. Jacob and MiB not being able to kill each other is due to a power the Guardian of the Light has. They have the ability to set certain "rules" on the Island, defining that small reality. They literally say they can't kill each other because "Mother made it that way". The Rules that Ben and Charles talk about, are probably just a set of laws or rules that Jacob asks his people to follow. However, they are not mystically enforced, just guidelines Jacob wants his people to follow, to help prove to his brother that people have good in them. If Jacob made them "Rules" with his power, like the rule that he and MiB cannot kill each other, then it would defeat the purpose of him trying to prove his brother wrong, as it would force people to do things.
@@KS-xk2so I agree...Rules set by the Island's protector...imbued with the power of the Island's Source are actual rules. Like when Michael could NOT kill himself. The Island was NOT done with him. Or Jack and the dynamite thing with Richard inside the Black Rock. The Rules btw Ben and Charles were more like the laws of society. They can be broken and usually there will be consequences attached to violations. For example, Charles getting exiled from the Island for his off Island relationship and resulting child in Penny Widmore, or was he banished for his relationship with Eloise resulting in Daniel Faraday? Still, those rules can be broken.
I havent seen Lost in quite some time, but if I recall correctly, Ben killed Penny on her boat... So why did he not say anything? Or did I forget something?
@@bobdonda Unless I'm remembering it wrong, didn't Ben try to kill Penny, then see she had a child, hesitate, and decide not to kill her, then Desmond see's him and beats the piss out of him anyways?
Out of interest, if the Man In Black escaped the island, killed the candidates famillies, and.... then what? Does he... kill everyone? Destroy the world? Yes, he wants to leave the island, but for what purpose? Spread the Sickness? Please? My final peice of closure about The End. Help me, a poor fan, with no explanation. Please? =;3
Jokingpenguin no he just wants to leave the island and discover a different world to the one he knew. but people trying to stop him which why he has to kill them. but I don't think he's evil. he just gets angry quickly that's all loool
SuperDamoon that's very misguided. I think him slitting this chicks throat is enough to say he's evil. The monster ever left it would be Oblivion for everybody. He is very evil. If you were on the island you seem to be the type of person to follow and be manipulated by the mib until he ultimately betrays and kills you to get what he wants. He cares not for people trying to leave with him, he's trying to kill everybody in the end. He's the epitome of evil. That was the whole point of his character.
We don't know exactly, other than that he has bad intentions. He wants to control every situation, he wants power, he doesn't care one bit about human life, and he has an incredible ability to convince people to turn on each other and harm each other. He also has an endless amount of time to achieve his goal, and is unkillable. I expect he would be like Littlefinger in Game of Thrones, he would cause chaos and war and convince important people to trust him, and would eventually try to become a self serving dictator in control of the world.
@@mr.starkidontfeelsogood7413 but is was only since he become the smoke monster, before that he was really only want to leave but he as revenge killed he and jacob mother, and jacob revenge was to killing him but because the rules that they never killed eachother MIB soul was reaped of from his bdy and he become the smoke monster
@@SuperDamoon He killed a $h*t ton of people. I don't get how you can say that someone who killed the Pilot, the woman in Rousseau's expedition team, all the people in the temple is NOT EVIL. THIS is fiction and I HOPE that for the sake of fiction, you're applying some moral suppositions which you hopefully WOULD NOT in real life. Killing people simply because you have no patience for them or they serve no purpose or because they fail to "join" you is just plain EVIL. That's what Smokey did...he didn't just kill those who directly opposed him, he killed anybody he felt was useless to him or got in his way.
Yeah but he didn't explain what the measure of last resort was. All MiB found out was that Desmond had a unique immunity to electromagnetism not that they intended to use him to shut off the source
He wanted Widmore to know what it felt like when he lost Alex (he goes after his daughter, Penelope, not too long after this, timeline-wise). It wasn't enough for Ben to just kill Widmore. You see in 'Dead is Dead' that these "rules" are simply an unspoken agreement between the two, to prove the other wrong. It's an additional question of fate, alongside Jack and Locke's argument, because Widmore challenged Ben in saying that the Island wanted Alex dead, but Widmore was actually responsible.
@jokingpenguin mib wants to leave the island because it's his dream, he's been trapped there. But if he gets off, whatever it is that he has become can't be allowed to leave. There are hints that it's the sickness, in 'the package' he seemed genuinely surprised by what Sayid was becoming. He/it would infect the world if it ever got off the island.
@@christoffer4862 I can’t see what my original comment was in reply to - which is bizarre In respect of your comment, he can leave after Jacob and the candidates are dead. My comment is touching on why it is that they don’t want him to leave and why they’re going to such lengths to prevent him (they never do explicitly state what would happen if he did manage to escape the island)
@@Damon242 There are 3 moments when he wants to leave. 1. When his crazy mom says it is impossible and proceeds to destroy his wheel. She does this because she wants to protect the island. 2. When the crazy mom dies, MiB becomes the smoke monster and can not leave the island anymore. 3. He finally gets the opportunity to leave again after the central plug is pulled on the light. At the same time he also stops being the monster and becomes mortal. Finally the survivors kill him because how awful they think he is after all he has done. He never gets to go home away from the island. The survivors then put the plug back at the light to stop the island from being destroyed.
@@Damon242 Nobody was trying to stop him from leaving because he would spread chaos. They tried to stop him because they were crazy. They believed The Island and other people had to be protected for unknown reasons.
Widmore knows about the "plug" in the island that Desmond ends up removing, because Jacob told him about it. Widmore says at one point that he had a conversation with Jacob... sadly for us it happened off screen. It should have been on screen because it's hard to understand the story without it
@@christoffer4862 it's such a rushed and lame change to Widmore's character at the last minute. I forget where it is, probably the episode where Widmore died though I'm not sure. Widmore just says "Jacob spoke to me and convinced me of the error of my ways" and suddenly he's not a bad guy anymore. All these years he's been a ruthless killer and massive asshole but now he's on the good guys' side. I mean, it's not the worst thing ever... Widmore always wanted to be leader of the Others, he wanted to be Jacob's #1 servant, he wanted to be the one to protect the island... it does make sense that if Jacob appeared Widmore would obey. But this man has been one of the worst bad guys of the entire series, and they couldn't just give us one scene of that meeting? Jacob telling him "stop being a whiny bitch worrying about who's in charge, and start taking action to save the island now"... the audience deserves to see why he changed. Anyway, apparently Widmore somehow knew that Desmond and his electromagnetic resistance is super important, which is why he brought Desmond to the island and immediately tested to make sure it was true. The only explanation for Widmore doing this is that Jacob told him about the plug and that Desmond's abilities would be needed there... or at least Jacob vaguely told him about Desmond's power and that it would be needed somewhere, somehow.
Intelligent? Rich and therefore powerful among men, but intelligent? No he was resourceful and he schemed...but he was ruthless and apparently quite murderous.
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One of the most disturbing scenes in the series, the way he cuts down that woman without hesitation. "You told her not to talk to me. That makes her pointless." :o
She was so annoying. I was just waiting for her to get what she deserved lol.
this appears completely out of character once you know MIB's story. He has no reason at all to behave like this
+Jean-Marie Bigard - Kind of, sort of, not really. His imprisonment on the island transformed him into a monster, both literally and figuratively. He wasn't always evil, but his desire to be free led him to doing some truly heinous things.
It's nothing to do with consciousness merging, it's just that he's been doing this for a few thousand years. He's so desperate to get off hte island that he has no compassion or patience for potential enemies.
@@jean-mariebigard5512 How is it out of character? Even back in the day he commented on how Mother was right about the people being greedy and manipulative and how they were merely the means to an end for him.
It was really shocking to see Charles so vulnerable in this scene. He's always been the one in charge, even when Ben breaks into his home and threatens to kill his daughter he's not phased.
Something about him just hiding in a dark closet from the MiB is kind of terrifying to watch.
One in charge? Ben schools him constantly. Ben owned Widmore throughout their entire relationship. He was more intelligent, more capable, more hands on, a better strategist, a better leader, enjoyed greater loyalty from Richard, I could go on and on. Widmore was a butthurt little bitch who was thick as pigshit in this scene and nearly doomed all of humanity to certain death with the important information he was leaking about Desmond. Thank god for Ben
I agree, it was a bit weird to see that he died too easily. At first they showed him as a powerful, fearless but he ended up hiding in closet
Stripped of his wealth and minions, Widmore's just a vulnerable jaboney like the rest of us. And Widmore has some strong notion WHAT the Locke-ness Monster is.
It's that kind of scene that makes you feel ambiguous about Ben. And that's why his character is so amazing and Lost is so great.
He had excellent character development
Actually, IMO only, Ben was long conning Smokey to get to Widmore. He wanted revenge for Widmore sending Keamy to the Island and it resulting in Alex getting executed. After that, Ben was really done...he wasn't really doing anything...just trying to stay alive...seem useful to Smokey.
@@victorpradha9946 idiot
Ben is a cold hearted murderer screw him. Not for Whitmore but for Locke, Jacob, Cesar, Alex, trying to kill the main characters dozens of times, kidnapping children (Alex and Walt), lying to everyone, having Mikhail executed those 2 women at the underwater station, etc. I don't get how people forgive him just because he is supposedly sorry about everything that happened
@@victorpradha9946I think this is accurate. The line "he doesn't get to save his daughter" can be interpreted two ways: on the surface it placates the MIB's plan, but he's really saying "but someone will save her as I will make sure you don't get to kill her either" as I believe at this point he is well on the road to redemption for his sins in the past 2 seasons.
Ben, you never cease to amaze me...
rip fake Tina fey
Yeah I hear a lot of people complaining about Ben's characterisation here after he had turned a corner but you have to understand he's trying to do nothing more than stay alive at this point, he's dealing with someone who's been around for 1000 years and is extremely difficult to deceive. He's just playing things minute by minute and doing whatever he can to prevent MiB from seeing him as useless and killing him. So he plays up to the old Ben. Remember Ben's is a crossed off candidate so can be killed by MiB at any time.
Ben was never a candidate?
@@warrioroffpeace3673 he was but his name was crossed out at some point in the past. his name is on the lighthouse wheel. its never mentioned on the show but is something you can pick up from examining the lighthouse wheel.
@@supremeworld87 wasnt it the point that Locke is in fact not Locke anymore but obertaken by the MiB?
I always really liked Ben as the main villain of the series during the first few seasons, after the third season when he leaves the island it was a very drastic change in my eyes seeing him go from someone all powerful who led the Others to just a former leader who got beat up by everyone but anyway I really like this series
@@supremeworld87the Linus on the wheel could also be referring to this father Roger Linus, which could explain why the name is crossed out because Roger is dead.
Ben's "I wanna see this" is the best.
Both Locke's were badass. This one and the real one.
Myles Co. Real locke was not until he came to the island and even then he was whacko Flocke was the saiyan god of Lost
Myles Co. Nah MIB Locke is badass to a whole new level. Locke was good but there was always someone that could overshadow him.
The real locke could kick fake lockes ass, in fact he did back in the episode "walkabout"
I really loved the REAL Locke, hated how they treated his character in the end
@@mohamedalnoaimi8156 But looking back it fit his character to a t. Shame he died in such a way but it all worked out.
I always liked how he evolved after Alex died, it was a great character arc.
Charles Widmore brought Desmond Hume back so he could make Desmond pull the plug, since Desmond can handle that much electromagnetism.
S&S Pictures - Scott Sullivan Now that I think of it, how in the hell would Charles know about it at all? Even Richard wouldn't know...
NC Quadraxis jacob told him to.
theres a scene where bem asks him how he managed to return to the island and charles says he met jacob and he told him everything.
@@atiqaly6567 Although, Charles know how to go in and out the island with the good degree.
The cargo didn't did it in season 4 because going into the island and lmaking one compass mistake would let them lose their mind like Minkowski.
Boulbi Boulga you misunderstood, at first charles was looking for the island so he sent the cargo and his people to search for it, and they managed to find it, then jacob went to charles and talked to him, and thats how he managed to go to the island himself
It may have been Charles' plan to have Desmond pull the plug (or go with Locke to pull it) and then just up and kill Smokey after that.
I missed this Ben - the man with the plan. I think he killed Widmore not only for revenge, but also to prevent the Man in Black from knowing why Desmond was brought there - he just wasn't fast enough. He's finally one of the good guys, even though his actions seem questionable.
Bens face at 1:48 lmao that rolling of the eyes hahaha
"did you say that there were other people to kill?" I love you Ben!
Ben was conning Smokey at this point. He could have killed Widmore at any point but waited until he knew what Smokey was looking for. Once he knew, then he killed Widmore hoping to prevent Widmore from empowering Smokey with more info under the guise of killing Widmore to prevent him from "saving his daughter".
I've always wondered if Ben and Charles had an agreement/protocol to kill the other before the MiB or some other threatening 'third party' on the Island got critical intel. I'm reminded here of when Mikhail shot Miss Klugh outside The Flame, and simply all of the times Ben's actions were anything but how they appeared at face value. I think they acknowledged the Island trumped their own agendas.
I never even thought of that.
It just came to me today that Ben killed Widmore, not for revenge, but to help everyone. If Widmore had lived he could have tried to help Locke/Smoke get off the island.
Exactly
Well... that, _and_ some degree of revenge. 😏
After all, Charles _did_ send the mercenaries that killed his daughter.
Widmore wanted to weponize the smoke monster he wanted to harness the power and magic of the island to rule over everything but little did he know The Island would fight back in the most bizarre way possible.
Widmore killed so many innocent people to get what he wanted that’s why The Others were so Hostile to the survivors they didn’t know if they were with him or not and couldn’t take any chances.
"that’s why The Others were so Hostile to the survivors they didn’t know if they were with him or not " What? It was literally shown they had intel about the plane and who was on it like 20 minutes after it crashed, they knew exactly that they are not with Widmore
I'm 100% sure that when the Man In Black would be human again after losing his Monster powers (after the island energy would be gone) , Ben would have killed him.
The Monster wasn't afraid of Ben because he can't be killed.
Because Jacob had made these rules so that Ben couldn't hurt any of the 'candidates', back then Widmore was technically a candidate so he couldn't be killed, however once Jacob was dead, his rules no longer applied. In any case, Ben wanted to make Widmore suffer the same pain that he did.
chcikenpencil jacobs dead so his rules dnt apply?? then why couldnt men in black kill the candidates??. i think charles and ben couldnt kill eachother because they had their own rules but they could change them, just like charles manage to kill bens daughter, not the same rules like jacob and his brother had or the candidates where they just couldnt break them.
Yeah, it's clear that are rules in place even after Jacob's death. No one can directly kill candidates, MIB can't leave unless candidates leave with him, etc.
The fact is that we don't get to know what all of the rules are. It does seem that there is a rule of "Others can't kill others". Widmore broke the rule when Alex was killed.. or maybe he circumvented the rule since he didn't pull the trigger, but had Keamy (a non-Other, technically?) pull the trigger.
It seems that Ben saw this as deciding that technicalities are now in play, and Penny might not technically be an Other so she can be killed now. That's what "changing the rules" meant. Ben even tried to kill her himself.
It actually kind of mirrors the Jacob/MIB situation. MIB can't kill Jacob, but found a loophole by getting an Other to kill Jacob. Just like Widmore can't kill Ben or Alex, but found a loophole by getting a non-Other to do it for him.
Widmore was never candidate, he was only the leader of the others until ben reaplced him.
There's something about Locke's stare, and the way he convereses, I see a glimpse of Ellie my grandma in his persona.
Like when he's describing the well to Desmond and he goes," right yeah very old" it reminds me of my grandmother often tgroughtout the day she takes a breather, normal activities that she once had blown through seem now as if they are a herdle of obsticles she pushes herself to get through, it's when she takes a moment and leans into whatever arm chair or counter top is closest to her, she'll have that stationary immobile look about her but she'll be shruggen her shoulders at times like she's all about in for the ride. Ellie may be old in her 70's but Grandmother Mary Cisco made it to 89 and had the personality of the white witch of Oz while Ellie is nowhere near as ballsy as the wicked witch she must had been the sister whom dorthey's house landed on. When I were a boy I was as bright and rosey as Regan McNeill until it were that all the outsiders and the adults wished to try and steal my happiness away so I could be wretched like them. This only encouraged me into becoming master at dark arts of lords while still a very much devoted to God, I am ever so loyal, to the lord of lords in his majesty that hovers over the world and the king of kings, nature's man, and enlightened saviors, missionaries protect after the sick and weak. Something of an antichrist spirit brings final heed and warning. In place of Christ is an anti with traits of a tyrant , quick to be called an agent of evil, however I believe there are those with the antichrist spirit that are living out Christ's agenda, doing his will, in their own fassion, from an extreme angle, and opposite side of the spectrum. But shall come to be known as triumphant in their doing, someday there will be no room for all this confusion and the truth will be consumed like living a flashback to an alternate reality however rather than having memories of past lives coming back to you, it's another version of the truth, what went down in history, you get to watch from the perspective of say an angel or Say10, and imagine rediscovering 10 planets in all their glory while having the freedom to decide/choose which great adventure might you wanna go on? Not all men, the evil boogiemen of history, are understood for the way they should be talked about and discussed today, anyones opinion if that, is completely narrow minded.
People have nothing to say. And for this let there be change, either way NOTHING will have it's way, I hope for the sake of our black mass, new babylon will wake up and see that dead space (black matter) is just an architype same such as a rocking chair. Things without intelligence however are dependable and always remain at work to our advantage the climate has made it through 4000bc-2017ad. If climate changes jarrastically (jarrasically correct sp I pronounce it by using my universal right to apply wikipedia the exchange of public achivists encycle their very own social database simply for articulate speaking labryth literature trained darwinian fraud science lab geeks take time to impress others to how brilliant they are, or boast to themself mentally and egotistically it's the riddleful and troublesome combination of 3 deadly spices when a splice of envy works as a persistant virus together with greed and than also pride into lust, what have you is a spiraling out of control, but 2 become the useless idiot though a sufficient tool such is the recipe that creates a vicious diobolical werewolf type. Inner turmoil and the malice that drives the beast of reality's pride and lust eat away under and on top of the skin where evil always lurks, I've heard them express our world as the alien-8-nation how grey and without balance of a fair road. Rocky horror haiti's picture show. It's already begun. I bare witness to the calamity of damage, calateral, laderalious, my works here are like a latter, as I go up and as I go down, every memory, every face of every soul, glory be to the newfoundland saints may you be blessaid with our nuns who are virgins. 72 two sides to the same coin. Think realistically now because everything gets borrowed, measured, and sold. Triple crossed are the sentencing beware of 3 judges, while everyday is a present, you only regard as to 1 you fail to understand principalities, you stand before 1/3 of the great 3Y3 with your hand firm on the black book. Has anyone ever challenged this juristiction of payrollyees and black robbed necromancing grave burglers of everything post mordem bioflesh inbombed with "antifreeze 4 dead bodies" sold by the likes of Mortisha's monthly catelog treats brought to you right out from Gotham city the market on the flea, the black robes of bureuacracrownose sour krout pig snout parage, sippers of slurpy livers served in sauce upawn an oversized laidle, mother goon of gore convenscated all circular devices and gave us a China backwards set A-NihC's surgical diner set comes in silver and sky blue, our grave yard scalvage team brings back jewerly, bodies, coffins, taylored fit wear and if your lucky a family's buried secrets can turn up too sometimes and become worth a pretty penny. Handwritten avenge letters, audio and/or video of confessions are sometimes buried with the dead and work as a time capsule failsafe last resort to make sure the truth and your neck stay insured. Honesty is the best policy ya know why? Because I trust me before I ever can trust any of you bastards with my life once I have my back turned. There comes a time I'm not as pirched over the city as I use to be on top of the pillar like a smoke monster at the ice capades. No I ain't talking Addabeasie's Sibirian jungle muscle. When Mr. ECKO met an ancient deity that had no name, it had been researched at Giza, Africa's freaky cornerstone of the glorious pictorial language-speech +freeze the definitive portrayal of reality speaks in a way that only the mind can identify the ringtone of truth that has no need for letters or numbers which could be easily made into a lie or derranged/derailed from it's original track set however when you have a pictograph describing supernatural attributes without the freedom to describe in sentences you only have a much more cornered artist blessed with having been the grandest but earliest gift barer of Dec25th into January. Death of the 3 seasons of sunlight to/2 FIVE many will die and become a victim to the solidous winter solace wind but time will be renewed, the gods 4 names of the months 4 names of the days and while numbers ever cycle like one great big wheel giving power consistantly to the gods our birthdays are like a phantom holiday dislodged unlike a predictable wave that happens every year in the sky centerfolds of power unto the otherside, it won't become us to foolishly parade ourselves around as if our swagger can grant us godhood. Dust beneath their fingernails is all you are "gangster" "hustler" "stardrunk" lack so above so below, what you all really need is for someone to teach you. Mother your children with the legacy of a family dream. One picture can give creedance to an origin story as told if it were a spell of phantom gold, it's one thing to screw up playing telephone and another when your village failed to hold sacred your family portrait had been passed down generations however you are positive it's not an image of your immediate family carved into the stone tablet so why is it so important? Hydraglyphs (heiroglyphs) were the perfection of what we know today as poetic biblical scripture, the auther/illustrator came from a time where the only narrowminded trait about a character was having been tasked with creating symbolism to house as the walls and foundation of a doctrine or religion so have you in the case of acient egypt which I believe in many cases much is derived from the tower of Babel, Babylon the first aborted empire, volcanic erruption of human potential fastforward to present day scarlet drunk on the blood of saints, universal world wide reaching as far as any place named after the saints. Tattooed In Reverse!!! So fuckin true!
There were so many times in this scene i thought mib was going to kill ben
Hah. I noticed something funny after watching this scene for so many times. When Widmore says "I'm not saying anymore in FRONT of him" than both of them look at Ben silently asking him to leave Ben makes that sarcastic face and turns around standing still in the same place so they can continue talking since they are not in FRONT of him anymore but he is turned back to them now. HAHAHA. As a result of that MiB suggests Widmore to whisper instead of losing time trying to convince Ben to leave. This is gorgeus how in the most serius scenes they menaged to include such a hilarious pieces. Look closely at MiBs face betwen 2:01 - 2:05 is like when you tell your child to clean up the room for the hundred time but he still doesn't listen and you give up. In fact that is the moment when Widmore is willing to co-work with MiB just to survive and Ben is there to make sure that doesn't happen for two reasons. For the well being of the island. And because it is what he is currently doing - working with MiB to survive. Ben was affraid that Widmore would be more waluable to MiB than he is.
It's a good theory, I think why Ben killed Widmore isn't clear at any point, many say the reason Ben did it was because of Alex's death but I don't think that's it
@@-GearUp There's a fair chance that Ben clearly did want to make Widmore pay for Alex getting executed by Keamy who Ben was convinced was sent by Widmore to do exactly what Keamy did...kill a whole bunch of people to get to Ben. Before coming back to the Island, Ben tried to kill Penny and was about to do it too, but for seeing baby Charlie. Ben still harbored quite a great deal of anger, resentment and vengefulness towards Widmore.
But here, there's a strong argument to made that Ben used the fact that Smokey who have known that Ben wanted to kill Widmore to kill Widmore before Widmore to give Smokey the last "piece" of the puzzle he needs to get off the Island. On some level Ben still was in the service of the Island here, but also managed to get his revenge on Widmore too.
I'm very attracted to Ben, every word he says is gripping. Alan Dale can't do an English accent to save his life though.
Alan Dale IS English. His accent is real.
@@jenniferbaumgarden9293 He was born in New Zealand, and has lived in Australia, and the US. He is definitely not English
@@jenniferbaumgarden9293 He's most famous for the Australian soap home and away. He's not remotely English
@@supremeworld87 Yes, I know that now. I was wrong.
Benjamin m I just know him as Daniel’s dad from Ugly Betty lol
Locke's face at 2:22 is fucking hilarious :D
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And that's also for bringing Desmond back to the island.
@jokingpenguin: The island's "light" provided the means by which humans pass into the afterlife (which was not shown so no particular religion would be upset). Remember the end: Everyone walked from the church into the light. That would not have been possible without saving the island; for ANYONE in the world. A lot of people don't see that point, which make this the best ending possible. How can you do better than saving the world? Saving the world PLUS the afterlife. Brilliant ending.
i've always thought you were a worthless liar and this proves it
I think Widmore had this coming for awhile now.
Lockes smile in the dark can make a grown man shit bricks!!!! I know i would!
This is Ben with the Men In Black (locke) don't be confused they love to kill you have Ben who calls the shots and the Black Smoke which can't be destroyed only till Jack kills him and dies in the process.
2:15 That’s for taking the kid off the raft! Oh wait…
Damn, imagine if Ben met Reese from person of interest, that would be an awesome sight indeed.
The light turning on to see Zoe and Charles just stood there was kinda hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
Not douchery. Epicness.
After the history they had, i thought this scene didn't do it justice.
Ben sawed Widmore from torture.
i don't remember watching this scene, but i guess i have now
That woman seems like the most pointless character in the history of television
Hence her throat getting slashed.
Martin Kučerka I'll ana was pretty annoying too and useless
At least the show was self-aware of that.
She probably had an interesting background story that she was just about to share when Flocke cut her part.
Happy Ben did this because it’s clear Charles does not care for his daughter otherwise he would’ve let her and Desmond be together
0:27 its like "oh there u are" LMFAOOOOO
Did you say there were some other people to kill?
Somewhat fitting that Ben executed Charles while knowing that a loved one was being threatened. Kind of mirrors Alex's execution when she died in despair hearing from her own "father" that she meant nothing to him. This was purely personal.
In hindsight, Ben's line "he doesn't get to save his daughter" may have had a double meaning, and in fact is a direct threat to the MIB himself. Who, then, gets to save Penny? Ironically, I think at this stage Ben wants to be the one to do so as part of the plan to redeem himself for being manipulated into killing Jacob and for allowing Alex to die, given his character development in this final season.
@Gonko100 Yeah, I agree.
@jokingpenguin
Because he wants to be free. That's all. He's been trapped on the Island by Jacob for literally thousands of years - all he wants is to leave. He not a monster, remember, he's a man who was unfortunately turned into one and imprisoned.
To leave, he has to put out the Light. Unfortunately, putting out the Light takes away humanity's goodness and makes everyone bad.
That's not what he did it for, though - he just wants to leave.
Ruthlessly killing anyone and everyone who stood in your way (of getting OFF the Island) kinda makes you a monster. Also, there 's a strong argument to be made that the Smoke thing was a non self-aware field of energy that served as a security system, but when MiB was tossed in there at the moment of his death, the Smoke thing became imprinted with MiBs consciousness giving IT the pathological need to get OFF the Island and also harbor the same disdain for humanity and hatred/vengefulness toward Jacob.
Well i think its safe to say that evil sod had it coming
ı don't get it ben killed charles beacuse of revenge or saving secret?
He killed him because Charles team killed his daughter. The “secret” was that Desmond was the only one who could open the cork at the center of the island.
I never considered Alex's death as the reason Ben killed Widmore since the one who killed Alex was Keamy and Ben killed Keamy shortly after, Ben said that because of Alex's death he was going to kill Penny but then he saw that he shouldn't do that , I think the reason Ben killed Widmore was because he didn't think he deserved to stay alive after so many bad things he did (As if Ben wasn't also a genocide)
Why the SM wanted to kill Penny Widmore?
Because Charles knew who he was and wanted to keep him trapped on the island. I doubt it had anything to do with Penny herself.
And to think that the producers wanted to replace Locke's character with Mr. Ecko!
Side note that still would've been interesting to see Mr Ecko as the Man in Black!
0:53 r/technicallythetruth
Ben wanted his head cut off, not hers.
Sorry Charles.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
I GUESS THE SMOKE MONSTER HATES 30 ROCK
Poor zoe
Ben always look bored.
Except when he had his epic villain reveal on the docks. Then he looked super smug.
Thats wrong, Ben killed Locke while Jacob was alive, he didn't kill Widmore in London because he wanted him to know what is was like to lose a daughter, and anyway Ben never spoke or saw Jacob so how would he know that he couldn't kill him because he was a candidate.
I still don’t understand how Ben was able to kill Charles; I thought that ‘the rules’ prevented him from doing so?
Well, in season 4, Ben mentions that Charles 'changed' the rules, so obviously they're flexible. I think it was just an "Others can't kill Others" thing that if they'd broken, would've ended badly for them. But by this point, the Others are no longer a force on the Island so nobody cares.
The "rules" might also stop applying when an Other is trying to help MIB. Charles was betraying the good of the Island in exchange for the personal benefit of saving Penny's life, that's a betrayal of the Others and Ben is now free to shoot him.
Until that point, they were both in service of Jacob, but were fighting over who got to hold power on the Island. Widmore never stopped supporting Jacob, he just wanted to be the leader of the Others again.
I wish the show had spent more time on Widmore and explaining his motives, because it's really unclear at times. The show had a lot of unnecessary episodes, but it really needed one episode that explains Widmore's jealousy, and that his attempt to recapture power on the island is about his personal vendetta against Ben but NOT about betraying Jacob and the Others.
The rules were like the Rules that Jacob and MiB lived by. These were more or less understandings between the two!
@@victorpradha9946 I believe when people refer to rules, they are referring to two separate things. Jacob and MiB not being able to kill each other is due to a power the Guardian of the Light has. They have the ability to set certain "rules" on the Island, defining that small reality. They literally say they can't kill each other because "Mother made it that way". The Rules that Ben and Charles talk about, are probably just a set of laws or rules that Jacob asks his people to follow. However, they are not mystically enforced, just guidelines Jacob wants his people to follow, to help prove to his brother that people have good in them. If Jacob made them "Rules" with his power, like the rule that he and MiB cannot kill each other, then it would defeat the purpose of him trying to prove his brother wrong, as it would force people to do things.
@@KS-xk2so I agree...Rules set by the Island's protector...imbued with the power of the Island's Source are actual rules. Like when Michael could NOT kill himself. The Island was NOT done with him. Or Jack and the dynamite thing with Richard inside the Black Rock. The Rules btw Ben and Charles were more like the laws of society. They can be broken and usually there will be consequences attached to violations. For example, Charles getting exiled from the Island for his off Island relationship and resulting child in Penny Widmore, or was he banished for his relationship with Eloise resulting in Daniel Faraday? Still, those rules can be broken.
That's pretty creepy,
I havent seen Lost in quite some time, but if I recall correctly, Ben killed Penny on her boat... So why did he not say anything? Or did I forget something?
Ben didn't kill Penny.
Ben tried to kill Penny, but he failed. Desmond stopped him, and beat the hell out of him.
@@bobdonda Unless I'm remembering it wrong, didn't Ben try to kill Penny, then see she had a child, hesitate, and decide not to kill her, then Desmond see's him and beats the piss out of him anyways?
Couldn't he just go to the Orchid and teleport elsewhere without harming people?
No
Out of interest, if the Man In Black escaped the island, killed the candidates famillies, and.... then what? Does he... kill everyone? Destroy the world?
Yes, he wants to leave the island, but for what purpose? Spread the Sickness?
Please? My final peice of closure about The End. Help me, a poor fan, with no explanation. Please? =;3
Jokingpenguin no he just wants to leave the island and discover a different world to the one he knew. but people trying to stop him which why he has to kill them. but I don't think he's evil. he just gets angry quickly that's all
loool
SuperDamoon that's very misguided. I think him slitting this chicks throat is enough to say he's evil. The monster ever left it would be Oblivion for everybody. He is very evil. If you were on the island you seem to be the type of person to follow and be manipulated by the mib until he ultimately betrays and kills you to get what he wants. He cares not for people trying to leave with him, he's trying to kill everybody in the end. He's the epitome of evil. That was the whole point of his character.
We don't know exactly, other than that he has bad intentions. He wants to control every situation, he wants power, he doesn't care one bit about human life, and he has an incredible ability to convince people to turn on each other and harm each other. He also has an endless amount of time to achieve his goal, and is unkillable.
I expect he would be like Littlefinger in Game of Thrones, he would cause chaos and war and convince important people to trust him, and would eventually try to become a self serving dictator in control of the world.
@@mr.starkidontfeelsogood7413 but is was only since he become the smoke monster, before that he was really only want to leave but he as revenge killed he and jacob mother, and jacob revenge was to killing him but because the rules that they never killed eachother MIB soul was reaped of from his bdy and he become the smoke monster
@@SuperDamoon He killed a $h*t ton of people. I don't get how you can say that someone who killed the Pilot, the woman in Rousseau's expedition team, all the people in the temple is NOT EVIL. THIS is fiction and I HOPE that for the sake of fiction, you're applying some moral suppositions which you hopefully WOULD NOT in real life. Killing people simply because you have no patience for them or they serve no purpose or because they fail to "join" you is just plain EVIL. That's what Smokey did...he didn't just kill those who directly opposed him, he killed anybody he felt was useless to him or got in his way.
charles already told the MiB why desmond was back right before ben killed him.
Yeah but he didn't explain what the measure of last resort was. All MiB found out was that Desmond had a unique immunity to electromagnetism not that they intended to use him to shut off the source
Ben actor reminds of giovanni ribisi from sneaky pete
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Jim Robinson assassinated…Charlene would be disappointed…
He wanted Widmore to know what it felt like when he lost Alex (he goes after his daughter, Penelope, not too long after this, timeline-wise). It wasn't enough for Ben to just kill Widmore.
You see in 'Dead is Dead' that these "rules" are simply an unspoken agreement between the two, to prove the other wrong. It's an additional question of fate, alongside Jack and Locke's argument, because Widmore challenged Ben in saying that the Island wanted Alex dead, but Widmore was actually responsible.
@jokingpenguin mib wants to leave the island because it's his dream, he's been trapped there.
But if he gets off, whatever it is that he has become can't be allowed to leave.
There are hints that it's the sickness, in 'the package' he seemed genuinely surprised by what Sayid was becoming.
He/it would infect the world if it ever got off the island.
The smoke monster can not leave. What are you talking about?
If he could've then he'd simply have turned the wheel which channels the light.
@@christoffer4862 I can’t see what my original comment was in reply to - which is bizarre
In respect of your comment, he can leave after Jacob and the candidates are dead. My comment is touching on why it is that they don’t want him to leave and why they’re going to such lengths to prevent him (they never do explicitly state what would happen if he did manage to escape the island)
@@Damon242 There are 3 moments when he wants to leave.
1. When his crazy mom says it is impossible and proceeds to destroy his wheel. She does this because she wants to protect the island.
2. When the crazy mom dies, MiB becomes the smoke monster and can not leave the island anymore.
3. He finally gets the opportunity to leave again after the central plug is pulled on the light. At the same time he also stops being the monster and becomes mortal.
Finally the survivors kill him because how awful they think he is after all he has done.
He never gets to go home away from the island. The survivors then put the plug back at the light to stop the island from being destroyed.
@@christoffer4862 I don’t understand the point of your comment, what is it that you’re arguing here?
@@Damon242 Nobody was trying to stop him from leaving because he would spread chaos. They tried to stop him because they were crazy. They believed The Island and other people had to be protected for unknown reasons.
ben would die if he killed wilmore faster XD.
I always thought this scene was funny.
This part was weird. What could Widmore know that Ben doesn't?
Widmore knows about the "plug" in the island that Desmond ends up removing, because Jacob told him about it. Widmore says at one point that he had a conversation with Jacob... sadly for us it happened off screen. It should have been on screen because it's hard to understand the story without it
@@bobdonda Really? This makes so much sense. In which episode does Widmore explain this?
@@christoffer4862 it's such a rushed and lame change to Widmore's character at the last minute. I forget where it is, probably the episode where Widmore died though I'm not sure.
Widmore just says "Jacob spoke to me and convinced me of the error of my ways" and suddenly he's not a bad guy anymore. All these years he's been a ruthless killer and massive asshole but now he's on the good guys' side.
I mean, it's not the worst thing ever... Widmore always wanted to be leader of the Others, he wanted to be Jacob's #1 servant, he wanted to be the one to protect the island... it does make sense that if Jacob appeared Widmore would obey.
But this man has been one of the worst bad guys of the entire series, and they couldn't just give us one scene of that meeting? Jacob telling him "stop being a whiny bitch worrying about who's in charge, and start taking action to save the island now"... the audience deserves to see why he changed.
Anyway, apparently Widmore somehow knew that Desmond and his electromagnetic resistance is super important, which is why he brought Desmond to the island and immediately tested to make sure it was true.
The only explanation for Widmore doing this is that Jacob told him about the plug and that Desmond's abilities would be needed there... or at least Jacob vaguely told him about Desmond's power and that it would be needed somewhere, somehow.
This is so dumb... Widmore - one of the most interesting characters in the show.. just offed, season 6 man, squandered promise
This was in the penultimate episode of the last season, what else would he serve in the series?
Intelligent? Rich and therefore powerful among men, but intelligent? No he was resourceful and he schemed...but he was ruthless and apparently quite murderous.
Ben killed his own daughter by not turning himself in and he also killed a lot of people