FlightFX Cirrus SF50 Vision Jet | Full Flight Review | Sedona - Aspen | Microsoft Flight Simulator
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In this video, we head to the Rocky Mountains in FlightFX's Cirrus Vision Jet. Taking the aircraft on a trip from Sedona (KSEZ), up to Aspen (KASE).
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
PC Specs
MSI B550M
AMD Ryzen 7 5800x 4.7GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
32GB DDR4 3600MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight!
I find you one of the most reliable reviewers on UA-cam, many thanks
Agreed. I really do like this channel. Cliché to say, but I'm very surprised he's under 50k subs.
Many thanks Tony, very kind of you to say! My absolute pleasure on the videos. Thanks for watching and all the best : )
Haha, wouldn’t that be nice Ryan! Seems we’re sloooowly getting there though ; )
I love how the check list scroll wheel works. So much more functionality in the sim now its amazing.
That landing with the Big Dipper in front of you and the Pleiades rising off the right wing leaving no doubt this is the most beautiful sim out there! I don't usually get in to the glass panel planes, but this really does look like a fun plane to zip around in. I don't have time to do much more than 1-2 hour flights and this will certainly get farther than most small planes in that time. Great review as always, sir!
I agree. Though, I do wish the sky would move as the plane moves. It's just a static image and that is probably the only disappointing thing when flying late at night. And, I look forward to flying this plane too. Very nice!
@@LokiDWolf Not sure what you mean. It does very accurately show the sky from all latitudes and does change over time. You could make a time lapse of stars wheeling across the sky if you wanted to.
Yes, once again, the sim certainly no slouch in the looks department! Amazing to be able to pick any spot in the world and experience it to such a degree : )
The Vision Jet isn’t typically my sort of “thing” either, but given the aircraft’s unique properties and the very nice implementation of the addon, it’s “a keeper” overall ; )
Many thanks sir, all the best!
@@JohnMichaelson I simply mean the night sky doesn't move. It's static. The land below moves of course. We'll, if you're in a moving plane you shouldn't see the exact same thing above you 2 hours later. That's all. I'm not questioning if the correct constellations are shown. Just a shot that should somewhat move as a plane is.
@@LokiDWolf No, it is _not_ static. Just set it to slew mode and move southwards at night and watch the stars rise up over the southern horizon as you go. I'd suggest southern England in summer and fly south into Europe. You'll see the tail of Scorpius get higher above the southern horizon. Or I guess Orion would work in winter.
I don't know how fast you expect it to occur, but you have to fly nearly 70 miles for just 1° of change in latitude.
As others already said, great review as always. Watching your clips with this sense of professionalism not seen in too many places here on UA-cam is truly refreshing 👍
Cheers buddy!
Many thanks Richard, very kind of you to say! I’m really glad you’re enjoying the content. Cheers for watching and all the best! : )
Would be nice if Cirrus themselves would make their planes for MFS. They have their own flight simulator and already have all of the data that could be transferred over.
Easier said than done. Different sim engines handle flight models in very different ways
Not to say proprietary issues……
I would also reccomend turning on synthetic vision
what is synthetic vision?
I'm really enjoying this jet so far. And I like the big displays, too. They are fairly easy to read when I use my VR headset.
Cirrus made this single engine for a relatively easy step up from their base of Cirrus prop owners who desire a performance increase. Less complicated training, maintenance, etc than a twin jet and much less expensive.
I read they have an auto land system that is supposed to be very impressive.
Thanks for a comprehensive review Capt!
My pleasure on the review Cade, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Funnily enough, I saw something on the Vison Jet’s autoland system just the other day and indeed it seems to be rather impressive. Quite amazing, the amount of tech that is packed into a “GA” aircraft these days!
Cheers and all the best : )
GREAT non-bias review, airport selection and flight. As I have said previously, I like the prop aircraft, but this one might be my introduction to jet aircraft. Thanks again! !! !!!
It is kinda a jet for GA minded people. Not too complex. Really not that hard to learn.
Many thanks once again Mark!
The Vision Jet does bridge the gap quite nicely between a GA prop and a jet; certainly the aircraft flies much more like a Piper Warrior than an A320 haha. If you do pick the aircraft up, I hope you enjoy it!
Cheers : )
Another great review video. Really struck by the all glass cockpit. Looks an amazing aircraft & controls appear to be relatively intuitive & straightforward. As you say, perfect for those short quick hops & a nice gentle progression up from a single prop. Downloaded into my hangar following your review. Thanks. I loved the little touch of having the aircraft's registration on the chocks & the tarp cover. Just seemed a pity that having traveled to Aspen for skiing, it was raining when you arrived & melted the snow! Looking forward to your next review. Cheers.
Thanks very much once again AS!
Yes, in some respects the Vision Jet is really a bit like a jet-powered Piper Warrior haha. The aircraft offers a nice transition from GA world at any rate.
Haha! That would be the story of my life. . . Anyway, no matter - I’ve had quite enough snow to last me for the foreseeable future XD
All the best : )
Always look forward to your videos well done thank you
Many thanks once again sir! : )
Great review as usual, as I have stated before, it is always good to see how a professional pilot fly's the aircraft and handles all the procedures, it shows simmers like myself what we should aspire to attain in our flying. I have bought FlightFX Cirrus SF50 Vision Jet and agree to everything you stated in your review.
Thanks very much for the kind words Scimiter! I’m glad you’re enjoying the reviews and indeed, feel like you’re getting something out of the flights. I can’t claim that everything is done 100% accurately in my videos; I do occasionally apply a bit of “artistic licence” etc (eg choosing to land on RWY 33 at Aspen), but I try to apply real-world logic to any scenarios that I create along the way.
Enjoy the Vison Jet! Happy flying and all the best : )
These reviews from you are so great! Thankfull for your videos and channel! Keep up the great work.
Many thanks for the kind words, Alexander - I’m really glad you’re enjoying the content! Much appreciated and all the best : )
your reviews are top tier never a dull moment watching ur vids
Many thanks Tevii! Very kind of you to say and I’m really happy to hear that you’re enjoying the content : )
Cheers for watching and all the best!
wow, i litterally just bought this aircraft today and flew from phoenix to aspen, as im from phoenix, then your video popped up on my feed today
Haha, well funnily enough, I nearly went from Phoenix but opted not to, as I’ve yet to fly from Sedona in a video. I guess Aspen just seems like exactly the sort of place a Vision Jet owner might head to haha.
I hope you’re enjoyed the flight / addon! All the best : )
The jet model looks really nice! Thanks for the review.
Thanks very much Robert! My pleasure and all the best to you : )
This is the plane I learned using Garmin on in X-Plane 11. It's a very special one for me. I've been waiting for it to come in MSFS, and finally here we are! Great review, can't wait for the weekend to get my hands on it.
Thanks very much sleepless, I’m glad you enjoyed the flight! I do hope you have fun with the Vision Jet over the weekend then. Happy flying and all the best : )
Do you prefer xp12 or msfs?
Hi MA,
Is that question directed at myself, or Sleepless?
Cheers : )
Once we get the G3000 refresh this will be a real nice airplane to fly. Right now it is limited by the bugs in that system. What I like about this jet is the amazing visibility from the cockpit. Very nice, and I am sure a treat in VR.
It's not going to fly any better with improved avionics. Although I'm sure the flight model as it's based on the core sim jet modelling will improve over time as well.
The G3000 updates will certainly be very welcome Jeremy, although in fairness, I was very impressed with what FlightFX has managed to model thus far. A few bugs to be ironed out for sure, but then there always are haha.
Thanks very much for your other comments / replies regarding the Vision Jet, very helpful and much appreciated!
Happy flying : )
Never miss your reviews, and have been eagerly awaiting this one all week. Loved this little jet in XP11, and enjoyed my first flight in this one, although it seemed to have a lot of trouble making it down an ILS (keep that speed in triple digits til your over the fence, folks!) Am I wrong, or am I reminded a little of Martin’s old X-24 lifting body when I see this in the white/black livery?
Thanks very much Kirt, very kind of you! I’m really happy to hear that you’re enjoying the content : )
I was forever meaning to fly the Vision Jet in X-Plane 11, finally got around to it in MSFS I suppose hehe. and yes, there’s definitely a bit of an X-24 vibe going on haha.
Cheers and all the best!
Excellent presentation, as always. This looks like a nice step-up from the pure GA world to the small jets world. I think I see one in my future 🙂 That G3000 l looks a little sparse at the moment, but I'm sure that will change as the WT version comes online. Knowing how much you like to tell a story with your videos, as well as demonstrating / reviewing products, have you considered doing a video on the sim's new native De Havilland Beaver? That airplane has become my favorite airplane that is included with the sim, especially with the free Got Friends improvement mod added. Seems like great material, along with something like the Parallel 42 Campout utility, for a Canada fishing trip. 🙂
Thank you sir!
Yes, the Vision Jet does bridge the gap quite nicely between the GA world and that of the jets, the aircraft definitely has its own little niche in the sim.
Haha - clearly you’ve hacked into the top-secret “Into the Blue ideas vault”! I had exactly the same thoughts myself, so standby on that one (I’m not sure when I’ll get around to recording anything mind you) XD
Cheers! : )
Nice one 👍.... handles really well, the systems are pretty good too.
Not my usual type but I really like it.
Cheers CP!
Not my usual cup of tea either haha, but the Vision Jet certainly has its charms and its own little niche in the sim. Happy flying! : )
My favorite area to fly bizjets is the Arizona and Colorado area. I often fly between Colorado Springs, Aspen, Telluride, Eagle Co, Sedona, Phoenix, and several others. Have really been hoping one of the developers will come up with a high quality Aspen. Its okay now, but has a lot of potential for some detail work.
Same Jay, definitely one of my favourite areas in the sim for these sorts of flights! I’m not sure that I’ve checked out Colorado Springs, so I may have to add it to the roster. The “handcrafted” Aspen is good enough for me, since I have no idea what the place actually looks like haha : P
Cheers, all the best : )
Looks like a fun plane to fly not to mention flying into aspen and weekend of skiing!!
Excellent thumbnail screenshot! Looks amazing!
Cheers Mr CG! As UA-cam seems to provide pretty resounding proof that people most certainly *do* judge a “book” by its cover - I try to put in a good thumbnail effort where I can haha.
All the best! : )
Ive been sitting here WAITING for you review on this - Oh my day is made !!
Well I hope the video was worth the wait then Mad-Rain ; )
Thanks very much for watching, I’m really glad it made your day haha! All the best : )
Thank you so much for this review because I was wondering about this product. You're the best.
Haha, my pleasure Bill! I’m happy to hear that the review was of some use : )
All the best!
Very impressive channel sir, the most professional presentation I've come across on UA-cam 👏 Keep up the great work! Your thumbnails are fantastic as well 👌
Thank you very much for the kind words Jeff, thoroughly appreciated! I’m really glad you’re enjoying the content, that’s always great to hear of course. I shall try my best to keep the videos coming!
Cheers and all the best : )
P.s haha, I’ve been trying to work on my thumbnail skills, it seems that’s half the battle on UA-cam XD
For the price point it’s a great package, just needs coupled vnav, which will hopefully come with the WT g3000 update in January. I do prefer the H-Jet though as of now.
I am not a fan of Tupperware with iPad instruments - but this is so cute. Instant purchase. Winning a couple of times in Lottery I would seriously buy one. Imagine some are so rich, they can buy this toy!!! Amazing that screens are so reliable now - no need for analog standby instruments, not even a whisky compass.
A challenge to figure out ILS. No obs to to set course, and no gs indicator. But it is very simple. Just follow the red command bars. Pure fun. Update - there is blue dot for GS - my last it did not capture it.
Haha, wouldn’t it be nice to have that kind of money Øystein!
The Vision Jet wouldn’t ordinarily be my kind of thing either, but the aircraft does have its charms (and fits a nice niche within the sim). Sadly ILS issues are “par for the course” in MSFS - I think we really need to see Asobo fix the core issue.
I’m glad you’re enjoying the jet otherwise though! Happy flying and all the best : )
Another wonderful review, really appreciate it! I promised myself to focus on one or two aircraft in the sim instead of buying every new shiny toy, but this one looks really nice, price is decent, so it might land in my virtual hangar anyway. But my heart really belongs to helicopters nowadays, hope to see some 3rd party helis made to the same quality level as the Vision Jet in the future.
Many thanks Volker!
Haha, I know how you feel; as a result of reviewing them, my virtual hangar is full of all sorts of aircraft that rarely get flown (unfortunately). Still, life’s too short to not enjoy something, if you want to give it a go!
I’ve actually just become aware of another heli on the way; I don’t know whether or not it’s public knowledge yet, but you can expect more on that soon ; )
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I did buy the VisionJet a day after watching your review :D And what can I say, I really, really like it and have flown it mutliple times already.
If you mean the Flyinside Bell 206, that one has been announced in the official MSFS forum recently. But I hope there are other helis coming up as well!
Haha, it was indeed the Bell that I was referring to ; )
I’m glad you’re enjoying the Vision Jet Volker. Happy flying!
Very nice video, great visuals and great timing on the approach to Aspen, beautiful sunset. I think the descent profile was pretty steep but overall good and nice crosswind control.
Thanks very much Pablo, I’m really glad you enjoyed the flight!
Yes, the approach ended up a little bit on the steep side haha; realistically one wouldn’t land on RWY 33 at Aspen (I gather), but I wanted to approach down the valley and enjoy the scenery etc.
Cheers, all the best! : )
This aircraft has a real Jetsons bubblecar vibe for me. And those huge front windows make for some spectacular views. The only tripping points for me are the lack of SimBrief integration and the G3000's habit of doing a loop when activating ILS/RNAV approaches. The plus side is that hand flying it is really easy to visual approaches are no problem.
And where did you find spoilers/speed brakes? I certainly don't see any and none responded to my Bravo axis.
these problems come as result of the g3000 using the default autopilot. Will be fixed with WT AAU beta end of December
Haha, the Vision Jet does rather have that sort of vibe to it Jon and indeed, the visibility from the cockpit is great!
The spoilers were a funny coincidence: the real aircraft doesn’t have them, but at the time (unbeknownst to me) the Vision Jet had “phantom” spoilers in the flight model. So my keybind worked and did indeed help slow the aircraft down, but it shouldn’t have done. I gather FlightFX has subsequently corrected the flight model.
I hope that clears things up. All the best! : )
Top-notch review. Great Job. Surprised though that you didn't mention anything about the absence of any way to to adjust the "Course Adjustment" on VOR NAV display. Seems a pretty critical piece to be missing (unless I am just missing something).
Hello Tim,
Thank you very much, I’m really glad you enjoyed the video!
Yes, I definitely dropped the ball a bit on that one. . . Like yourself, I spent an awfully long time looking for a course knob ha. I don’t know whether the omission is accurate, or whether FlightFX slipped up there. I had the point written up in my notes, but then forget to make mention of it (doh). Either way, I’m sure the issue will get fixed up (if required).
Cheers and all the best! : )
I have only been playing MSF 2020 for a few months now. Just made 100hrs. But, not to the level like this. Which I'm working to get to. It'll be nice to fly without all the stuff on the screen. Or to taxi out on my own. Anyhoo, I love this video! Was so great! Wow, what a time we live in with such technology.
So, going to check out FlightFX. It'll be nice to get some high quality, detailed and function planes. Thanks for this video!!!
Thanks very much Soul! My pleasure on the video, I’m really glad you enjoyed it!
I’m very happy to hear that you’re getting stuck into the sim and enjoying the process. Best of luck with your continued learning : )
Happy flying and all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks to your video, I learned some things when flying the smaller private jets. To the point I'm turning them on and taxi to take off. All things on screen are turned off and I'm using IFR. All basic stuff but, I'm getting it. This holiday I'll be getting a proper HOTAS because these small joysticks built for a console SUCK!
Anyhoo, see ya in the flipside. And again, thank you! ✌🏾
As always thanks for the review. I've been keeping my eyes on this one for a while, so I didn't hesitate to pick it upon the release date. It's a fun little thing.
Regarding the CAPS system, the developer did say that they looked into replicating it and bringing it to the aircraft. However, they said it was not possible to implement at this time. They'd spoken to Raul from FSReborn who had apparently told them he had to do it using WASM for the Sting S4. This of course, would not allow them to make the aircraft available to Xbox users at this time.
Keep up the good work, I absolutely look forward to watching your videos when they drop :)
Thanks very much Paul, my pleasure on the reviews!
I was about to mention that FSReborn managed it haha, but I see you’ve got me covered on that one ; )
Well that’s a fair enough decision by FlightFX then. Hopefully we’ll get a CAPS system once the WASM coding issues have been sorted (FSReborn did a great job with theirs!).
Cheers for the kind words, very much appreciated! All the best : )
Very nice! Finally a decent G3000 emulation and MSFS is superb. Time for me to get a fast PC and see how this performs vs the real plane!
MSFS certainly seems to be heading in a positive direction these days LPP and the G3000 is scheduled for an overhaul also, so the sim / Vision Jet should get better yet. I’m sure the FlightFX version won’t be a patch on the fun of the real thing haha, but I hope you enjoy it nevertheless!
Happy flying and all the best : )
Great review.
I've been waiting for a small business jet and was gonna buy the honda jet, but I'm getting this instead.
I loved this jet in XP11 :)
Thanks very much Ivan, I’m glad you found the video useful!
Personally, I prefer the Vision Jet over the Honda Jet; both are pretty great, but the Vision Jet has the edge in terms of its flight modelling and I think has a little bit more “fun factor” overall also.
I do hope you’re enjoying it! Happy flying and all the best : )
Off topic, but I was flying the F-117 from aerial simulations when I discovered the IRADS screen (whatever that means. Center screen below HUD) can be powered on and acts like a artificial horizon. I low key sounded like the little alien dudes off of Toy Story when I discovered that and I hate that I did...
As for this aircraft, not gonna lie I'm definitely gonna take a crack at it, at least after I get a memory expansion for the Xbox, and I was gonna get the hellcat first, but this jet is Def on the radar now.
Haha! I gather the IRADS screen was given some functionality in a recent update Deku. I can appreciate your reaction though, all the more so since the F-117 is basically a UFO itself haha XD
I actually picked the F-117 up during the sales - looking forward to doing something with it when I get the chance.
Happy flying! : )
Thanks, another great video. Cheers, John
Thank you very much once again, John! My pleasure, I’m glad you enjoyed it : )
Cheers!
As always, coming here to check out the review before I buy. Great flight plan choice. I will be getting this sleek bird.
Ah well that’s great to hear UG! I’m glad the video helped and I guess you were sold on the Vision Jet then haha. I do hope you’re enjoying the little bird! Happy flying and all the best : )
The ATC on this sounds super legit!
Hi Christopher,
The ATC is actually real-world recordings (from LiveATC.net), which I’ve then edited into the video. There is actually an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s of any interest : )
All the best!
We really need a Netflix addon to better use the monitors within the simulation. Imagine to watch TopGun 2 while flying the VJ.
Oh, to exaggerate this further... think of running MSFS on a monitor within MSFS...
Did buy it on day one and i am really happy so far. Id only wish they would stop fool-proofing and simulate the errors when you e.g. forget to remove the covers before engine start - at least for the "without" assistance option. ¡Gracias!
Haha, indeed Ra. I recall that there was a kneeboard web-browser mod for FSX, something similar in MSFS would be great!
It would certainly be nice to see more failure modelling / greater consequences for mismanagement. Given that many MSFS addons are quite “feature-packed” these days, the aforementioned sort of features would be welcomed by many I’m sure.
Cheers : )
Another excellent movie, sorry tutorial. Great job as always.Slainte👍
Haha, call it whatever you like Conleth! I think I’m a “jack of all trades, master of none” - I try to make my videos a little bit of everything ; )
Cheers!
Great review! You did say a GPU is not available but I just wanted to make sure that you are aware that this does have a functioning GPU if you bind a key for it in control options!
Thanks very much for the info Joseph, much appreciated! In the video, I was actually just hypothesising that there was no GPU available “on the day” but in fairness, I wasn’t aware that a keybind can be used to bring one up (it would be nice if the devs added the option to the VAMS menu perhaps).
I’m glad you enjoyed the video! Cheers and all the best : )
I know you don't do many review flights in the US, but considering the FAA registration numbers here start with "N", you could use "N2TBS" or a similar tail number just to have a quirky play on words in your future videos. A small detail that would be funny to see
Hi Parker,
Haha, that’s actually a pretty good one. I like the idea and I know that some people find it objectionable that I use a “G” registration wherever I go, but I feel like the reg is a little bit of the channel’s identity at this point and as a proud Brit, I like flying G-ITBS.
Thanks for the suggestion though! Cheers and all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations as an American, I’m not opposed to showing patriotism ;) keep at the quality videos, one of the few channels I’ll make an effort to tune in to watch for new posts
Haha, well at least as an American, you still have quite a few things you can be proud of Parker (as a Brit, it hard to be proud of rain and scones XD )
Thanks very much for the kind words, thoroughly appreciated - I shall do my best! : )
Thanks !!!!!!!
You’re most welcome sir! Thank you very much for watching : )
Lovely looking aircraft although if I’m honest not really my cup of tea. Sounds like a pretty complete product though. If somebody has been waiting for this, then they’re not going to be disappointed.
An update for the Vision Jet just came out. Wonderful to have Simbrief integration for us novice flight sim enthusiasts. Any plans to revisit the Vision Jet for an updated stream? This is one of my favorite aircraft to fly, mainly due to it's ease of use and incredible field of view. She has her issues but still a great add-on in my humble opinion. Very much a "rich man's toy" ; obviously stealing that quote from your previous post, great line mate lol.
Hello Sean,
I wouldn’t be averse to revisiting the Vision Jet, but as with everything these days, it would be a question of finding the time to do so haha. I have been crazy busy of late and tend to prioritise reviewing new addons over anything else, but if I find myself with a free second and at a loss as to what to record, I shall certainly keep the Vision Jet in mind ; )
I’m glad you’re still enjoying your “rich man’s toy” haha! Thanks very much for the suggestion and all the best to you : )
These jets have been taking sum "L" s lately with these crashes. The need to fix that problem fast
Is that so De Andre? That’s sad to hear. . . Has it been aircraft issues causes said crashes, or pilot errors?
All the best!
Top notch review video
Thanks very much Dave! I'm really glad you enjoyed it : )
All the best!
FlightFX are the developers of the vision Jet, the HJet was published through them but not done by them
Ahh, thanks CD. I knew that FlightFX were only the publishers of the HJet, but didn’t realise they had actually developed the Vision Jet themselves (I had assumed this was done by another 3rd party).
Thanks for the clarification. All the best! : )
There are more liveries now (26-02-2024). Yes it does float a bit. Now there is a IPad to the left of the Pilots seat which amongst other things has the headphone button.
Thanks for the updates, Robert! Much appreciated and all the best : )
Not sure if you mentioned it in the video, but synthetic vision can be selected on the PFD which would have added to your SA operating from Sedona. PFD and MFD settings are state saved for future sectors fortunately.
Hi Dave,
I didn’t make mention of it, I probably should have, but hopefully people will be familiar enough with the G3000 functionality at this point. I’m always reticent to make use of synthetic vision in the sim, as silly as it is, it always feels a bit like “cheating” haha (it must be an invaluable resource in the real world though!).
Cheers, all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations use what you’ve got I say! I really enjoy your videos, compliments of the season.
Thanks very much Dave! Very kind of you to say and I’m really happy to hear you’re enjoying the content. A very Merry Christmas to you - I hope you have a great time over the festive period : )
Cheers!
Weird to me hjet got vnav climb but, no auto throttle this one vice versa both are nice pay ware tho. I’m very new to flight simming hard for me to understand how have people been doing this for years with non of these features modeled or CPU’s capable of giving us these beautiful graphics
Yes, it is a little bit of a design quirk I suppose Ron. I think I’d prefer to have the auto throttle over the VNAV haha.
Graphics are all relative in fairness; eg FS2002 looked absolutely groundbreaking at the time (and I was amazed by its detail haha) - not so much these days though XD
I hope you’re still enjoying the sim! Happy flying : )
It was based on the eclipse 500. The company had the design but then sold it to Cirrus
Is that so, David? I wasn’t aware. . . Thanks for the info. Much appreciated and all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulationsno worries, yeah if you look at the 500 you can see it. I saw a prototype a long while back
Very informative video. I have the Honda Jet but I think this will also be an addition to the hanger. What are you using for your ATC sounds?
Thanks very much JetSimmer, I’m glad you found it useful!
The ATC is real-world recordings, which I’ve then edited into the video. There is actually an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
I hope that helps. Enjoy the Vision Jet and all the best!
Good review!
Thanks very much Desmo! I’m glad you enjoyed it : )
Looks great. How does it compare with the Cockspur Mustang jet?
Hi Krozar,
The Vision Jet is significantly better than the Cockspur Mustang, in my opinion. To be fair, I haven’t tried the Mustang since the addon was released (and I gather it’s been improved quite a bit since), but the Vision Jet is a much more in-depth / complete product overall.
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
I'm about to purchase this addon and I'm so glad it's finally here. I've been flying the Cirrus Vision Jet in X-Plane 12. Edit: After purchasing the Cirrus Vision Jet from MSFS I'm not such happy or glad. I think it's somewhat a disappointment.
Hi EV,
Very sorry to hear that you aren’t enjoying the jet all that much. Anything in particular you don’t like?
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Just the performance and render latency. I'm using a I7 10700, 32gb ram, and a 3060ti
There are 2 sketchy things I know about the Vision Jet as a rampie and I was wondering if either was modeled. I can tell already that one is not, this being the baggage compartment is unusable due to an oil leak. This leak is from the special oil dispenser required due to how the engine's mounted. You pour a can of turbine oil into this dispenser, which is then able to get oil into the engine. This usually results in half a can of oil in the dispenser for next time. You put the dispenser in a provided Ziplok bag and put this in the baggage compartment. Problem is, the dispenser ain't pressure-proof so blows the oil out during flight, and the provided Ziplok bag dissolves when oil touches it. Thus, the whole baggage compartment becomes awash with oil. The upshot is that all Vision Jets I've met IRL have absorbent pads instead of carpet in the baggage compartment and don't put anything else in there except for the leaking dispenser. So they're all 4-seaters with the baggage behind the rear seats. Also, they have big oil stains down the side of the rear fuselage from the aft lower corner of the baggage compartment door.
The other IRL issue is a bug with the electrical system. If you start a Vision Jet off the GPU, it sheds the cabin heater and and AC, which cannot be reset without shutting down and basically rebooting. So IRL, they use a GPU to fully charge the battery, disconnect the GPU prior to engine start, then start off the battery. Which is good for rampies because, of course, the GPU is on the right side (so as to be out of the way of the baggage door) but the plug is on the left side. So, if the engine was running when you disconnect the GPU, you'd either have to limbo under the very low tail or walk all the way around the front of the plane twice to unplug the GPU. But as the engine isn't running IRL, you can just walk around the tail without having to bend over. |Is this modeled in the game?
Haha, thanks very much for the insight Bullet, very interesting! For an incredibly expensive “toy”, it sounds like the Vision Jet has a couple of significant shortcomings (the ziplock bag made me chuckle) XD
Not modelled in the sim, but I don’t think I want to get oil everywhere anyway haha.
Cheers, all the best! : )
will buy it after WT releases its G3000
Hi Joni,
In fairness, I misspoke somewhat during the review: The Vision Jet does already use WT modifications for its G3000 (so the avionics are better than default), however the aircraft should indeed become all the better, once the full G300 overhaul has been completed by WT : )
I hope that clarifies things. Cheers!
Saw another reviewer yesterday that you have to map the mixture (even though there is none in the plane) so you can have the N speed rise to max. I set one of my Honeycomb Bravo axis to mixture and now it works fine and goes above 50%. No mention of that in the instructions.🤨
Its a bug and will be fixed in a patch
@@CCitis OK. Thanks sir!
Ahh, is that the case Dennis? I had (erroneously) assumed I wasn’t seeing full thrust, due to the departure / arrival field elevation. Anyway, reading Jeremy’s comment, it’s great to hear that the issue will be fixed up soon : )
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations There has been an update on the Marketplace I think. Maybe that was the fix. I did see another review where it was not mentioned so, maybe?
So in the start of yoru video you said the vision jet uses the default g3000 which is not true... it has the Working title g3000 implemented in it but has also made custom systems pages on top of that and it will be compatible with the upcoming refresh ofthe g3000
So it is compatible with WT's current G3000 mod?
It is already inbuilt Brandon, the FlightFX team has put the WT G3000 in it as stock so you don’t even need it installed
H Flops,
Yes, a bit of a misunderstanding there on my part: For sure the aircraft uses a lot of custom system pages and indeed I demonstrated those during the review. I wasn’t suggesting that the entire avionics setup was default, but I had thought that the basic G3000 functionality was default, largely because the product info stated that future WT updates would be supported (a statement which I misconstrued).
Thanks for the info though. All the best! : )
Hi thanks for the video, that ATC we can hear in the background, is Vatsim or an addon? Thanks
Hello Carlos,
The ATC is actually recordings from LiveATC.net, which I’ve then edited into the video. There is an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
I hope that helps. My pleasure on the video and all the best to you!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Great thanks for your reply, Happy Xmas!
You’re most welcome Carlos! Thanks very much, I hope you had a great Christmas also : )
Great review as always and thank you. But a question for all - is it just me or is this flight model not squirrelly as hell on the ground? I've diverted a couple times now to avoid crosswind as this thing is hard to control upon touchdown in a crosswind, even a cross-breeze.
Also apologies to whomever... I nearly landed on top of another Cirrus Jet going into Aspen really bad weather. Seems a lot of us were duplicating this flight. But in fairness, you were sitting STILL on the middle of the runway with NO lights! Too late to go around, had to squeak by over!
Hi Gary,
Thank you very much, I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
Using Live Weather, I haven’t specifically tested the aircraft in a crosswind, but now that you mention it, I did find the Cirrus to be rather a handful on my approach into Aspen (in a very moderate crosswind). Many aircraft in the sim don’t handle crosswinds well; perhaps with its V-tail, the Vision Jet exacerbates this issue.
Haha, well I’m glad my video potentially inspired a little group outing over to Aspen - I think when someone chooses to park it on the runway, all is fair thereafter XD
Cheers, all the best! : )
That startup sound sounded like a poor recording. Kind of a shame, but the rest of the jet seemed well done.
Oh, do you think so Nate? I thought the start sounded quite good overall, but I’m always the first to admit that I’m no audiophile haha - it usually comes down to my audience, to point out any sound loops etc on an addon XD
Cheers and all the best! : )
Nice job. FYI though, strobes only go on when you're cleared onto the runway for takeoff or crossing an active runway -- never during taxi.
Hi TSG,
Thanks very much, I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
Cheers for the pointer; I do actually fly in the real world myself also and I am generally inclined to agree with you, but I don’t believe the Vision Jet comes fitted with a beacon light (this seems to be somewhat common on more modern aircraft) and the strobe seems to be used in its absence (the procedure I used, was as per the aircraft checklist).
I hope that clarifies things. Cheers and all the best! : )
As always excellent review but I was missing stall tests. I did. them and I got a very weird feedback from the plane. Nose dropping and whole plane flipping on the back instead of nose down only. I was thinking maybe the plane makes an inside loop but it stopped at 180 degrees. I have never seen a plane doing this but maybe i don’t know better. I reproduced it several times. I see lots of things from hjet. Price is so ok for level of detail but room for improvements. My #1 GA right now is the 414 Cessna. Cheers Michael
Cheers Michael, I’m glad you enjoyed the vid overall!
I tend to only do stall tests on the aircraft where I feel a stall may typically be flown (so training aircraft, warbirds etc). The behaviour you’ve experienced certainly sounds odd / wrong, but like you, I couldn’t really say for certain (not having any real-world experience with the Vision Jet). It *could* be, given that the Vision Jet has the ballistic chute, that the aircraft does indeed exhibit poor low-speed / spin characteristics, but it sounds more likely that further tweaks to the flight model are needed.
Thanks for the feedback! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations hi thank for the reply. I have to say I fly the vision often now. It’s very enjoyable. On Xbox though I fly the 414 still most along with the hellcat. Waiting for the Milviz Cessna…have a nice end of the year !!
My pleasure Michael! I hope you have a great holiday period also : )
I don't know much about the Cirrus Vision either but it looks like a slippery sucker. I can imagine using the speed brakes would be pretty routine just to rein it in. Question: On the "twitchiness" which seems pervasive in airframes across MSFS, is it feasible to tune that out through response cures? If not through the native sim, then via a third party add-on similar to the venerable FSUIPC?
Haha, well as it happens Kyle, the Vision Jet doesn’t have any speed brakes apparently. FlightFX included a phantom speed brake in the flight model (hence why my keybind worked), but I believe things have subsequently been corrected.
I would imagine the twitchiness could be mitigated to some degree using curves, it would still be there (as I think it’s s physics issues), but would then require greater flight control deflections to induce it. There is an FSUIPC for MSFS (I believe), though I’ve yet to try it myself. Ultimately, I think the fix really / ideally needs to come from Asobo’s end though.
Cheers! : )
Have you seen the bug that if you change a setting in options during a flight, when you return to game the battery is completely drained. Only way to fix is dev mode and reload aircraft in air. Happened to me twice. Once changing joy sensitivity and also turning on replay mode. Good luck
Hi CTL,
I didn’t come across that bug myself, but you aren’t the only one to make mention of it. I gather the devs are aware of the issue, so hopefully it gets fixed up in short order!
Cheers for the info and all the best : )
If you had to pick between this and the Honda Jet for a small business jet, which would you pick? From a sim add-on perspective, not real ilfe.
Hi GunnDawg,
Personally, I think I prefer the Vision Jet overall (though I prefer the looks of the HJet haha). Both are very nice products and there isn’t much to pick between them, but the Vision jet’s flight model is better - although I haven’t had the chance to try the HJet since the updates in fairness.
If you want a “GA aircraft”, go with the Vision Jet, if you want a biz jet, the HJet if your better bet.
I hope that helps. All the best! : )
How does the flight model compare to the Kodiak 100 or Cessna 414a (gold standard in msfs for me) ?
At this price point the flight model needs to be bang on for me, otherwise it’s a deal breaker. Almost everything else feels a bit stiff compared to the two previously cited airplanes
I agree the 414 is the standard, I don't agree on the Kodiak (lots of issues IMO). I think the Vision jet has a pretty good flight model, pitch is a touch light but probably like the real thing.
“At this price point” What, you mean the cheap price point of $25?
@@WhiteHawk77 In my country it’s 30euro. For a digital good that represents a lot of money for me. If I’m going to spend half the price of the actual game on ONE aircraft it has to be absolutely bang on. The 414a is study level and also costs around 30 euro. So yes, I expect A LOT for that price.
The flight model feels quite good. WAY too new to know if it compares with the best but nothing is glaringly wrong.
It is a glass jet so unlike the planes you mentioned, you don’t hand fly this as much so it is taking me longer to evaluate. I mean, you let the computer do the flying most of the time in something like this.
It is a jet with a lot of GA DNA. Like, it lands like a fast Piper Arrow, so, like a Mooney.
@@waitbalthy6342 To be fair, I wouldn't say the 414 is study level. To me that has to include engine wear, all systems modelled, breakers etc. The 310 is much more study level. The vision jet is modelled in the same way as the 414, it has about that level of depth. The G3000 is the weak point, but that will be solved soon.
This is by far the easiest jet to fly, and thats not a bad thing. I can easily see people jumping from the 172 G1000 to this. It's very easy to fly, and the workload is not that high.
Indeed Zachary; the Vision Jet does offer a very nice transition from GA, onto the jets - the thing basically flies like a speedy Piper Warrior haha. Judging by peoples comments on the video, many will be picking up the Vison Jet for this exact reason.
Cheers and all the best! : )
What addon do you use for radio transmissions that we can here in the background through out the video?
Hi mw,
The ATC is actually recordings from LiveATC.net, which I’ve then edited into the video. There is an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations the ATC chatter seems to be what I‘m looking for. Thanks for your reply. Love your channel 😊
You’re most welcome on the reply and *thank you* very much for the kind words haha! I’m really happy to hear you’re enjoying the content. Cheers : )
it uses the WT G3000
Yes, indeed HGGS. A bit of a misunderstanding on my part there: Given that the product stated it would be updated to work with the WT G3000 improvements, I had taken that to mean that it was running the default (albeit still heavily modified) G3000. I think / hope that I still demonstrated the aircraft’s G3000 fidelity overall though.
Cheers for the clarification. All the best!
A bit twitchy on landing. I think you need to adjust sensitivities for pitch and rudder.
Hi Pe11e,
Yes, adjusting my control sensitivities would probably have helped somewhat, but I tend to like to leave things default (by and large), since it keeps things more consistent / fair for reviews : )
Cheers and all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yeah, makes sense. Since I'm flying only for pleasure, I ended with 50% axis travel for both aileron and elevator, much much better feel and much smoother!
Hey there - you mention the Cirrus not to be the kind of planes that you like flying with the most on FS2020. I am curious about the ones you actually like flying with. Can you enlightened me ?
Hi Willy,
Well, in case it came across as such, that comment wasn’t intended as a slight on the Vision Jet, I’m just not a big “bizjet guy”.
In terms of what I enjoy in the sim; I really like my warbirds, GA aircraft and “study level” jets. Typically I prefer the more complex addons (MILVIZ 310, Just Flight Arrow’s etc), but I’m also not averse to a leisurely cruise in the Carenado Bonanza for example. Sadly, I get very little time to sim for “fun” these days (if I’m in the sim, I’m usually recording), but when the chance arises, I’ll usually head out for a scenic run in one warbird or another, typically one of FlyingIron’s (it’s always hard to look past the Spitfire). I do have a “Top 10 aircraft” video on the channel and I’m planning on updating that in the new year.
I hope that clarifies things a little? All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks so much for your feedback and the time you took to write it to me.
I will definitely check out the "top 10 aircraft" :)
You’re most welcome - my pleasure! Cheers : )
I purchased now this aircraft on MSFS, but I don't have the VAMS button on the Garmin panel and I don't know how to do the procedure you described also removing the headphones from the panel
Hi Caccia,
The Vision Jet has seen quite a few updates since its release and us such, certain features (I believe VAMS included) have changed. I’m afraid I’m not up-to-date with how these functions are now implemented on the addon.
Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one - hopefully the manual provides some clues? I do hope you manage to get things sorted! All the best : )
New subb here nice video!!
I’m really glad you enjoyed the video, Deartolaphx! Much appreciated and welcome aboard : )
What are you using to get the nice atc background audio from ATC from? Sounds good!
Hi Don,
The ATC is actually recordings from LiveATC.net, which I’ve then edited into the video. There is an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
I hope that helps. Cheers and all the best!
Olá Bom dia , excelente esse jato onde como eu faço pra baixar me manda o link ok
Olá,
Desculpas pela resposta lenta. O jato está disponível apenas no Marketplace in-sim (portanto, não posso incluir um link, estou com medo).
Espero que ajude. Tudo de bom! :)
Yop notch video as always, also will there be a video about the md11 that cane out recently
Thanks very much Mukkuimama, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
I’m afraid I won’t be looking to cover the Sky Simulations MD-11. The addon looks to be far too pricey for what it is and seems to have been poorly received overall (Just Flight actually pulled the product from their website). There is a freeware MD-10 and another MD-11 from TFDi on the way - we’ll certainly be taking a look at both of them in due course : )
Cheers and all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yea that md11 is indeed too expensive for what it is, looking forward to those reviews! Also will you planning to review planes for xp12?
I probably won’t do X-Plane reviews in the same depth I do them with MSFS, as unfortunately I just don’t have enough time to do both, but I’ll certainly take a look at some X-Plane products in due course (eg I’m keen to check out the FlyJSim products, once they’ve been properly ported over).
Cheers : )
Hold on, you're saying that flyJsim are gonna bring their add-ons to msfs? Thats splendid news!
Haha, alas no, Mukkuimama. I was simply referring to when FlyJSim port their X-Plane 11 products into X-Plane 12 (I’d love to see their stuff in MSFS though!).
I hope that clarifies things. All the best : )
do you use any visual mods? your sim looks better than mine :(
Hello Aaron,
I use very few visual mods (Bijan's 4 Season Pack being the only one really - if one counts that as a visual mod). A lot of what you see in the video, is just careful choices of weather / lighting / camera angle etc.
I hope that clarifies things. All the best! : )
With no knowledge of the electronics start up etc of planes and having to use auto start up on my Xbox. Is there a site that provides pdf’s / walk through guides on how to manually start these advanced planes?
At the risk of it sounding like self-promotion Tossle, UA-cam videos are probably your best bet haha. Certainly the manual, combined with a good checklist (and some time) should take you a long way, but video tutorials are usually helpful for filling in the gaps. Most addons have at least one or two tutorials on how to get them started etc (and I try to demonstrate the startup in all of my reviews).
I hope that helps a little. All the best!
👏👏👏
Love this..I want to buy it....where to?
Hi Corey,
The addon is available from the in-sim Marketplace : )
30:31 I don't think the vision jet has a speed brake
Hi Lt,
It doesn’t any more haha. Upon release, the FlightFX Vision Jet had a “phantom” speed brake (not visually modelled but, operable via a hardware key bind); I wasn’t aware at the time, that the real aircraft doesn’t have one.
I hope that clarifies things. All the best : )
What scenery is that at the start?
What atc recordings are you using?
Hi Feint,
The ATC is actually recordings from LiveATC.net, which I’ve then edited into the video. There is an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
They've changed it... mine doesn't have the checklist option in the MDF i have the tablet..
Do you manually have to punch in your flight plan into the FMS or can it be loaded automatically when you start a flight?
As in, the default sim flight planner in free flight?
Hi Joe,
I *think* the aircraft will also accept a default flight plan but truth be told, I can’t 100% remember, as it’s been a while since I had a chance to fly the aircraft. Given that the Vision Jet essentially makes use of the “default” Garmin avionics, I cant see why an MSFS flight plan wouldn’t work. . . I’m sure if you can ask over on Avsim, or the MSFS forums, someone would have a more concrete answer for you there.
Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. All the best! : )
Is there a list or a video of the addons you run ?
Hi 11x,
It depends on the video, but for this flight (and indeed in general) I wasn't using a whole number of addons. What I was using is as follows:
- AIG Traffic
- Real-world ATC recordings (which I then edited into the video)
- Bijan's Four Season Pack
- TrackIR for the camerawork
So as I say, not a tonne of addons, at least not ones that drastically change how the sim looks. A lot of what you see in the video, is just careful choices of weather / lighting / camera angle and then a bit of work during editing.
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Brilliant, I was thinking you were using FS-ATC Chatter, thanks for answering :) Have a great Crimble.
You’re most welcome! A very Merry Christmas to you also! : )
Awesome review as always, thank you! Do you prefer this or the Honda Jet?
I have both. The H Jet is certainly more mature at this point. Early issues have been patched.
With support, which we should be getting, this is the better plane for me.
This is a GA jet, the Honda is a small business jet. The difference is slight but profound. The Vision is a jet built for you to fly. The H Jet is built for you to be flown in.
@@toribarron5700 awesome reply & info, thanks!
Thanks very much Yo!, glad you enjoyed it!
Personally, I think I prefer the Vision Jet overall (though I prefer the looks of the HJet haha). Both are very nice products and there isn’t much to pick between them, but the Vision jet’s flight model is better - although I haven’t had the chance to try the HJet since the updates in fairness.
I think Tori sums up very nicely, the fact that the two aircraft are different in terms of utility; if you want a GA aircraft, go with the Vision Jet, if you want a biz jet, the HJet if your better bet.
I hope that helps. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thank you. I really value your opinions and comments, and will definitely take this into consideration when burning a hole in the wallet! Cheers again - and Merry Christmas!
You’re most welcome! A very Merry Christmas to you also! : )
Did they model a worthless AOA making it an authentic rendition?
Haha, that I’m not sure about BW. . . XD
I have a question. When flying this if I go into active pause or enter the pause screen or basically leave the flight for any moment of time the aircraft will slowly begin shutting itself down when I resume flying. it starts by dropping oil pressure then says engine starter and then goes to power. first by taking the screens offline one by one. anyone got any ideas why this is happening on this aircraft.
Hi UBI,
Apparently what you’re experiencing, is a known bug with the aircraft. If one goes into the options menu, the aircraft’s battery is drained and the aircraft will shut down (or something along those lines anyway). I gather the dev is aware of the issue, so hopefully it will be fixed up in short order (if it hasn’t been already).
I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best : )
How do you choose to see the headhones in cockpit and turn them om, and how to cover the plane with that protecive thing?
That’s all done from the VAMS menu rymd (which can be accessed from the centre MFD).
I hope that helps. All the best!
cheers!
Massa
Can anyone tell me where I can find the OAT on the Garmin 3000? I could not locate it on pfd or mfd? Thank you for a great review, as always! I already bought the bird.
You have to bring up the Ice protection or Engine data page
@@CCitis thank you! No way to display it on pfd?
@@danielbritsch6230 Not right now. Perhaps with the G3000 refresh.
Hello Daniel,
Hopefully Jeremy’s comment helped - I wouldn’t have been able to point you in the right direction on that one haha.
I’m glad you enjoyed the review, I hope you’re enjoying the Vison Jet also!
Cheers : )
When I press the approach button, the plane does not make a final landing. Is there something missing?
Hi Fadi,
It’s rather tricky to say without knowing all of the details: Are you in NAV mode, as opposed to GPS mode (green symbology on the HSI, as opposed to magenta)? Do you have the ILS tuned up?
Those are the first couple of things that spring to mind. Hopefully they’re a good starting point, otherwise let me know more details if you can.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Where is it that you get the audio ATC files that play in the background?
Hi Steven,
The ATC is actually recordings from LiveATC.net, which I’ve then edited into the video. There is an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
I hope that helps. Cheers and all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations awesome thank you so much for the reply
You’re most welcome! : )