The big problem with wrestling is that outside of school theres not much wrestling. So as an adult who didnt wrestle in high school I had no chance to learn wrestling other than going to a bjj gym and finding people who had done wrestling in school then asking them questions. Where are the adult hobby wrestling clubs?
Folkstyle wrestling is the best foundation for grappling, i won my first Jiujitsu tournament using pure wrestling against two blue belts. The top control, wrist and Leg rides, and versatile takedowns are invaluable
Wrestlers are tough man. I have zero experience wrestling but I do BJJ and they just smother you with weight distribution and pressure! I’m humble enough to accept that they have so much to offer technique wise and would love to learn wrestling as well. Good stuff.
When I started BJJ as a wrestler no gi Guys who had less than a year training couldn’t do nothing with me Blue belts could only submit me , once I was tired I was still able to out wrestle purple belts ,but once again they have to get me tired first or wait for me to make mistakes Brown and black belts I still could out wrestle them standing but they submit me within seconds of hitting the ground
I don't think it's a mere coincidence that they were no wrestlers chosen for that historic UFC 1 match in 1993. I respect wrestlers a great deal. Like boxing, that sport is about that "grind".
I've been training 40 years now. Foundation is Jujutsu, Old Judo, and Kenpo. I've crossed trained with wrestlers, and they are beast! Teach a wrester some Jujutsu / Judo joint locks.....F' scary 😨! Respect 🙏
32 UFCs champions were wrestlers and 17 are jujitieros( BJJ black belts). What’s become a greater problem is the growth of the sport of Jujitsu. People don’t know, that in the 70s-80s in Brasil, Jujitieros competed in Judo, Luta Livre etc. There was no NAGA, ADCC etc. It was never a sport. Honestly, wrestling is the oldest martial art. Every culture wrestled. You can find wrestlers in the Amazon jungle or in the west coast of Africa.
As a BJJ blue belt (3 years) I cant argue with this. Im a believer in less is more and like you've said with boxing doing something to mastery is best. Too bad wrestling is not available for adults as much as BJJ is.
Wrestling sets you up perfectly for strikes on the ground Concrete is un forgiving , a slam can knock you out As a former wrestler with out much thought , I can think of of 20+ ways to take someone down , with out going down with them Even if so I’d already be in position to strike
Excellent insight. IMHO the meta of high level grappling competition right now IS wrestling. Just found your channel recently and really enjoying the content. Appreciate you.
Folkstyle is the direct descendent of Catch as Catch Can or Catch Wrestling. Catch actually used to be an Olympic Sport alongside Greco Roman. You can still see shadows of the removed submissions in moves like the Guillotine, the Banana Split, etc.
Sir I agree with you and from watching your videos all of them I have decided to learn wrestling and judo also. But I disagree with some points here: Wrestling/Judo dominates BJJ in standing game only. Talking about submission and ground game, BJJ works better than wrestling and judo. Pure BJJ fighters who only know jiujitsu are very inefficient in takedowns and standing game strategies. Moreover I appreciate your contents. Pure Gold. ❤❤❤
Without question the most well reasoned and clearly stated rationale for holding a specific opinion in regard to H2H combat systems I have ever encountered. Brilliant, simply brilliant.
I absolutely respect your opinion, and I firmly believe that wrestling is an extremely effective martial art. However, based on my experience, I have successfully applied chokes on many wrestlers I've grappled with in a context where punches aren't allowed. Additionally, in the Bo Nickel and Gordan Ryan match, it appeared that Jiu-Jitsu had the advantage. Nevertheless, in a direct confrontation between a wrestler and a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner, I am confident that the wrestler holds the upper hand.
Salam ustad the problem is that people think BJJ is be all end all, they just market themselves well. People forget other arts such as Judo, Sambo, Catch, Luta livre not everything is jiu jitsu but people stick to it because of all the marketing and programming. Especially no-gi which is not BJJ but more like Catch and luta livre. Its a big world and a lot of BJJ players would not survive in tge world of Judo yet to still see a BJJ player transition to Olympic Judo and do well.
Anyone on comments tell me why adults don't continue wrestling and why BJJ dominates with comps for adults. Done BJJ myself. Cannot find a wrestling club with adults. All kids.
Insightful comments regarding passivity. The culture of wrestling cannot allow a backstep...except maybe as a setup. It used to be a step back would bring the stalling warning poste haste. I enjoyed my first taste of your content!
The title alone brought me here. I ALWAYS BELIEVED THIS! ! ! I haven't watch this yet (Im about to), but my opinion, wrestling's athleticism and explosiveness is a better element get good at, Wrestling is better for athleticism and explosiveness. 7:18 #2: I appreciate this #2 breakdown
Very true and this is a guy who’s been doing Jiu Jitsu for 2 years, wrestlers are bred different. The pressure and understanding body mechanics, and also speed. It’s definitely enough to worry jujutsu competitors in the near future or you can say it’s already here.
I really felt that cardio comment. I am a beginner at Chinese wrestling (Beijing Shuaijiao) and even practicing requires stamina. I'm a hobbyist but I am trying to up my training because my cardio sucks. Trying not to be thrown, getting thrown, then getting back up right away is taxing and hard.
Very informative video, if you are speaking in general terms I would have to agree, especially when it comes to Traditional Gi BJJ. I'd like to argue that modern NoGi Jiu Jitsu (what I practice) is more-so Catch Wrestling in modern times, but with more attacks. I believe ADCC is doing a great job of pushing wrestling to NoGi which makes practitioners much grittier than 10-20 years ago. I'd also like to argue that Wrestling needs some knowledge of JiuJitsu in order to be successful in MMA. If you take a Pure Wrestler vs a Pure BJJ athlete (Neither has striking) then the BJJ athlete SHOULD win if the skill levels are comparable. If the Wrestler keeps the fight standing, then he needs to out-strike the BJJ athlete (no longer grappling, whoever has the better striking wins). If the Wrestler takedown the BJJ athlete, he needs submission knowledge & defense (no longer pure wrestling) Wrestling by itself is not great, but Wrestling paired with Striking or BJJ is a recipe for a champion (same goes for BJJ paired with Wrestling or Striking)
a good wrestler can always take down a BJJ guy. you should always start in wrestling and than add some bjj to the arsenal. i got my 5 year old boy I want to get into wrestling freestyle and muay Thai for his personal training. he will thank me later in life for it
Your logic, including the visual evidence you've just shown.....is undeniable. I don't believe there can be any realistic argument against this. Your point is forever solidly made in my very humble opinion. It will be interesting to see what the response could even possibly be from the Brazilian Jujitsu crowd. Perhaps they will be wise this time and remain silent from here on. Great presentation.
I agree with you completely. The problem with BJJ is it has moved so far away from street application and into a sport. Ask any BJJ if they've ever thrown a punch lately. And notice all the butt scooting? It's absurd. Things have become cult-like. Try telling an Aikidoist that their art doesn't work, and watch the reaction. Same thing.
Only made it to the 3 minute mark but I agree with everything said. Knowing the price point of BJJ approx $200/month, most young folks can't swing that monthly due, what we have is older folks that's more financially stable getting into JJ and loving it! It's going to be hard as hell teaching Masters 2/3... folks the fundaments of wrestling, just the fundamentals will break them! Now I would have titled this video 'Wrestling is better than BJJ for MMA'.
@kedah2398: If you only made it to the 3 minute mark, this channel is not for you. Next, I wrestle and I am 62. Perhaps you think the only move in wrestling is the high C. Lastly, I named the video, what I had on my mind. And that is: "Wrestling destroys BJJ". Because it does. When you have something to offer, you name the videos what you want. Otherwise, come here to learn.
@@TheUmmahFightCamp I'm not negating that Wrestling beats BJJ, I wholeheartedly agree with you there so much so that I'm not even going waste time teaching my daughters BJJ maybe in the off season. With that said, sorry I couldn't give your video more time, there's only a 2-3 min window to make you pitch before I invest time watching but good work, I'll be looking out for more of your stuff...
I don’t watch cage fighting. With the exception of Demetrius Jones who I have not seen compete, I mentioned every name you did almost in the same order. I also immediately thought of Silva and Fedor as the two outliers when you said 18 of 20 of the all time greats were wrestlers.
True, but BJJ is basically a branch Judo that focused on the ground game and submissions where as modern-day Judo cut back on ground games in order to focus on throws.
I started martial arts before wrestling so I had a hard time breaking that specific habit, even with my high school coaches screaming at me "Get off your back Rosie!"
I will disagree on the assumption that wrestling has less technical skills to master. The skills number in the hundreds, and similar to BJJ, new techniques are still being developed or reimplemented.
@opaca512: You are wrong. Wrestling has far fewer techniques to master. What you are seeing are moves strung together. BJJ can have 600 SEPARATE techniques . Not so each style of wrestling SEPARATED! Nice try though. This is a former full scholarship wrestler talking.
Bjj coachwhen your on bottom- do the 15 steps of this "technique". Wrestling coach when your on bottom- win the grip fight, seek head height, seek hip height...hip heist. It's simple but not easy.
I love wrestling, played Rugby in HS and the blast double leg and the ability to drag someone to the floor is great. The main problem is beyond school theres no wrestling academies for adults, and honestly they probably wouldnt do well because the average adult doesnt want to grind down their body for sake of a sport. Its extremely effective in one on one combat but it destroys your knees and back. Yes its effective but highly impractical to train for the hobbist who, lets be honest, are the ones keeping the lights on in the gym.
the biggest weakness of wrestling, is that after the age of 18 you are not allowed to learn it anywhere
Wrestlers should open martial arts schools.
GSP turned into a great wrestler but his original background was karate I believe
The big problem with wrestling is that outside of school theres not much wrestling. So as an adult who didnt wrestle in high school I had no chance to learn wrestling other than going to a bjj gym and finding people who had done wrestling in school then asking them questions. Where are the adult hobby wrestling clubs?
Folkstyle wrestling is the best foundation for grappling, i won my first Jiujitsu tournament using pure wrestling against two blue belts. The top control, wrist and Leg rides, and versatile takedowns are invaluable
Wrestlers are tough man. I have zero experience wrestling but I do BJJ and they just smother you with weight distribution and pressure! I’m humble enough to accept that they have so much to offer technique wise and would love to learn wrestling as well. Good stuff.
Wrestling and boxing are probably the two most important arts in MMA. I can box on the ground.
When I started BJJ as a wrestler no gi
Guys who had less than a year training couldn’t do nothing with me
Blue belts could only submit me , once I was tired
I was still able to out wrestle purple belts ,but once again they have to get me tired first or wait for me to make mistakes
Brown and black belts I still could out wrestle them standing but they submit me within seconds of hitting the ground
As a blackbelt in bjj, I totally agree, wrestling is the DNA! If you were to take the wrestling out of bjj , it certainly wouldn't be as effective!
I don't think it's a mere coincidence that they were no wrestlers chosen for that historic UFC 1 match in 1993. I respect wrestlers a great deal. Like boxing, that sport is about that "grind".
@dfk09: LOL! If you have to go back to UFC 1, you deserve to be blocked from my channel. Complete idiot. EVERYONE knows wrestling is king.
I miss Randleman. Such a great athlete. Wrestling is the oldest and greatest of arts. The ferocity it teaches is unmatched. Love your videos.
I've been training 40 years now. Foundation is Jujutsu, Old Judo, and Kenpo. I've crossed trained with wrestlers, and they are beast! Teach a wrester some Jujutsu / Judo joint locks.....F' scary 😨! Respect 🙏
32 UFCs champions were wrestlers and 17 are jujitieros( BJJ black belts).
What’s become a greater problem is the growth of the sport of Jujitsu. People don’t know, that in the 70s-80s in Brasil, Jujitieros competed in Judo, Luta Livre etc.
There was no NAGA, ADCC etc. It was never a sport.
Honestly, wrestling is the oldest martial art. Every culture wrestled. You can find wrestlers in the Amazon jungle or in the west coast of Africa.
My brother... Let's not forget Randy Coture!
Kazuchi Sakuraba (The Gracie Hunter) Catch Wrestler Josh Barnett Matt Hughes
Tyvm for sharing your wisdom coach. The egos are big but the ears are too small to listen. Keep up the good work!
As a BJJ blue belt (3 years) I cant argue with this. Im a believer in less is more and like you've said with boxing doing something to mastery is best. Too bad wrestling is not available for adults as much as BJJ is.
I agree wholeheartedly and don't let the wrestler add jujitsu👀
Wrestling sets you up perfectly for strikes on the ground
Concrete is un forgiving , a slam can knock you out
As a former wrestler with out much thought , I can think of of 20+ ways to take someone down , with out going down with them
Even if so I’d already be in position to strike
I remember realizing this watching Brock Lesnar nearly beat Frank Mir a world champion in one of his first few mma matches
Excellent insight. IMHO the meta of high level grappling competition right now IS wrestling. Just found your channel recently and really enjoying the content. Appreciate you.
Folkstyle is the direct descendent of Catch as Catch Can or Catch Wrestling. Catch actually used to be an Olympic Sport alongside Greco Roman. You can still see shadows of the removed submissions in moves like the Guillotine, the Banana Split, etc.
Mic dropped. You have won my respect and my subscription. Keep up the great work. 👍🏿
I wrestled in high school and it was the hardest sport I ever played
U make a compelling argument. Especially the insight about mind set. Good food for thought.
Sir I agree with you and from watching your videos all of them I have decided to learn wrestling and judo also.
But I disagree with some points here:
Wrestling/Judo dominates BJJ in standing game only. Talking about submission and ground game, BJJ works better than wrestling and judo. Pure BJJ fighters who only know jiujitsu are very inefficient in takedowns and standing game strategies.
Moreover I appreciate your contents. Pure Gold. ❤❤❤
the bjj community started calling ground and pound, 'jits with hits'
I enjoy the passion you have for your perspective.
Wrestlers control where the fight is fought. Add some striking and a little bjj and you have the perfect fighter
Totally agree. This man had always been ahead of time.
everyone in jujitsu training wrestling now
What about Don Frye and Dan Severn?
Great breakdown, sir
I just found your channel and I’m amazed to see someone with a mindset like mine. Thanks for your wisdom
I've been saying this for years, glad you validated it! Great vid
Without question the most well reasoned and clearly stated rationale for holding a specific opinion in regard to H2H combat systems I have ever encountered. Brilliant, simply brilliant.
I absolutely respect your opinion, and I firmly believe that wrestling is an extremely effective martial art. However, based on my experience, I have successfully applied chokes on many wrestlers I've grappled with in a context where punches aren't allowed. Additionally, in the Bo Nickel and Gordan Ryan match, it appeared that Jiu-Jitsu had the advantage. Nevertheless, in a direct confrontation between a wrestler and a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner, I am confident that the wrestler holds the upper hand.
Salam ustad the problem is that people think BJJ is be all end all, they just market themselves well. People forget other arts such as Judo, Sambo, Catch, Luta livre not everything is jiu jitsu but people stick to it because of all the marketing and programming.
Especially no-gi which is not BJJ but more like Catch and luta livre. Its a big world and a lot of BJJ players would not survive in tge world of Judo yet to still see a BJJ player transition to Olympic Judo and do well.
Interesting Perspective!😃👍
Thank You for all your wisdom. Since you are also a judo guy, what are your thoughts on that for the street combined with striking? Ty in advance
Can you do video about what the most dominant striking art is?
Agree with all. Good analysis
Fully agree though I'd add BJ Penn into the BJJ top fighters list so 3 out of the top 20
Facts! If you look at the best BJJ schools, they teach starting on the feet wrestling with some bjj guards and passes.
Anyone on comments tell me why adults don't continue wrestling and why BJJ dominates with comps for adults. Done BJJ myself. Cannot find a wrestling club with adults. All kids.
That was a hard ass soundtrack during those highlights 🎼
Insightful comments regarding passivity. The culture of wrestling cannot allow a backstep...except maybe as a setup. It used to be a step back would bring the stalling warning poste haste. I enjoyed my first taste of your content!
DON'T FORGET CARLOS NEWTON.
Explosive movements, intensity, and mental toughness
I don't agree with everything you say, but this is spot on.
The title alone brought me here.
I ALWAYS BELIEVED THIS! ! ! I haven't watch this yet (Im about to), but my opinion, wrestling's athleticism and explosiveness is a better element get good at, Wrestling is better for athleticism and explosiveness. 7:18 #2: I appreciate this #2 breakdown
Very true and this is a guy who’s been doing Jiu Jitsu for 2 years, wrestlers are bred different. The pressure and understanding body mechanics, and also speed. It’s definitely enough to worry jujutsu competitors in the near future or you can say it’s already here.
I agree with you, from experience.
I really felt that cardio comment. I am a beginner at Chinese wrestling (Beijing Shuaijiao) and even practicing requires stamina. I'm a hobbyist but I am trying to up my training because my cardio sucks. Trying not to be thrown, getting thrown, then getting back up right away is taxing and hard.
Would love to know your opinion on the Graice Open mat challenge
People read too much into that, in some way shape or form it was in the Gracies favour, on their turf and in a gym with matts
I agree 💯. You can’t make any other argument logically.
Facts are facts right on my big brother right on❤
Very good points. Stats don’t lie!!
Great footage of the late great Kevin Randallman!!
Very informative video, if you are speaking in general terms I would have to agree, especially when it comes to Traditional Gi BJJ.
I'd like to argue that modern NoGi Jiu Jitsu (what I practice) is more-so Catch Wrestling in modern times, but with more attacks. I believe ADCC is doing a great job of pushing wrestling to NoGi which makes practitioners much grittier than 10-20 years ago.
I'd also like to argue that Wrestling needs some knowledge of JiuJitsu in order to be successful in MMA. If you take a Pure Wrestler vs a Pure BJJ athlete (Neither has striking) then the BJJ athlete SHOULD win if the skill levels are comparable.
If the Wrestler keeps the fight standing, then he needs to out-strike the BJJ athlete (no longer grappling, whoever has the better striking wins). If the Wrestler takedown the BJJ athlete, he needs submission knowledge & defense (no longer pure wrestling)
Wrestling by itself is not great, but Wrestling paired with Striking or BJJ is a recipe for a champion (same goes for BJJ paired with Wrestling or Striking)
I love using mainly wrestling with a splash of BJJ for sub defense and offense but tbh top control is king lol
RIP Kevin Randleman.
Wrestling training is definitely #1. I believe it's the best way to train in general.
Hey coach, can you give da name of da song in kevin videos.
No-Gi is pretty good
Absolutely true,wrestling dominates.
True. And the young punk never expects the 70 yr old ex-wrestler to shoot in for the double leg.
How can I get your dvds?
a good wrestler can always take down a BJJ guy. you should always start in wrestling and than add some bjj to the arsenal. i got my 5 year old boy I want to get into wrestling freestyle and muay Thai for his personal training. he will thank me later in life for it
Your logic, including the visual evidence you've just shown.....is undeniable. I don't believe there can be any realistic argument against this. Your point is forever solidly made in my very humble opinion. It will be interesting to see what the response could even possibly be from the Brazilian Jujitsu crowd. Perhaps they will be wise this time and remain silent from here on. Great presentation.
I agree 100 percent
People forget Lidell and Rampage had wrestling backgrounds also
Barakallah feeq shisho 💯
💯 FACTS!
Well said champ..I like the way you have depicted all the technicalities between Bjj and Wrestling. Keep on inspiring my brother 🙏 💪
Great video.. also Wrestlers understand control as to where jiu jitsu doesn't necessarily have that
I agree with you completely. The problem with BJJ is it has moved so far away from street application and into a sport. Ask any BJJ if they've ever thrown a punch lately. And notice all the butt scooting? It's absurd. Things have become cult-like. Try telling an Aikidoist that their art doesn't work, and watch the reaction. Same thing.
I got to agree .
Only made it to the 3 minute mark but I agree with everything said. Knowing the price point of BJJ approx $200/month, most young folks can't swing that monthly due, what we have is older folks that's more financially stable getting into JJ and loving it! It's going to be hard as hell teaching Masters 2/3... folks the fundaments of wrestling, just the fundamentals will break them! Now I would have titled this video 'Wrestling is better than BJJ for MMA'.
@kedah2398: If you only made it to the 3 minute mark, this channel is not for you. Next, I wrestle and I am 62. Perhaps you think the only move in wrestling is the high C. Lastly, I named the video, what I had on my mind. And that is: "Wrestling destroys BJJ". Because it does. When you have something to offer, you name the videos what you want. Otherwise, come here to learn.
@@TheUmmahFightCamp I'm not negating that Wrestling beats BJJ, I wholeheartedly agree with you there so much so that I'm not even going waste time teaching my daughters BJJ maybe in the off season. With that said, sorry I couldn't give your video more time, there's only a 2-3 min window to make you pitch before I invest time watching but good work, I'll be looking out for more of your stuff...
I love how you're not even open to a friendly debate. " I'm not going to tolerate denial and go back and forth with people" lmao.
I agree.
Amen. 🙏
I don’t watch cage fighting. With the exception of Demetrius Jones who I have not seen compete, I mentioned every name you did almost in the same order. I also immediately thought of Silva and Fedor as the two outliers when you said 18 of 20 of the all time greats were wrestlers.
And the rules favor strikers. Starting on the feet and most of all having rounds where by they start on their feet again
Dope!
FACTS....
I agree
Matt Hughes, Mark Coleman, Jon Jones, kabib, Dan the man tito Otis, I can go on and on
You're correct. BJJ isn't the only styles with submissions. Judo, Sambo, Catch Wrestling, and Shaui Jiao as examples. Great video btw.
True, but BJJ is basically a branch Judo that focused on the ground game and submissions where as modern-day Judo cut back on ground games in order to focus on throws.
Rashad Evans is no joke.😊
Let's not forget the great gamma who was a wrestler who beat matsaeda maeda - the spiritual godfather of BJJ.
I started martial arts before wrestling so I had a hard time breaking that specific habit, even with my high school coaches screaming at me "Get off your back Rosie!"
Brick city? You coach in newark?
I will disagree on the assumption that wrestling has less technical skills to master. The skills number in the hundreds, and similar to BJJ, new techniques are still being developed or reimplemented.
@opaca512: You are wrong. Wrestling has far fewer techniques to master. What you are seeing are moves strung together. BJJ can have 600 SEPARATE techniques . Not so each style of wrestling SEPARATED! Nice try though. This is a former full scholarship wrestler talking.
Bjj coachwhen your on bottom- do the 15 steps of this "technique". Wrestling coach when your on bottom- win the grip fight, seek head height, seek hip height...hip heist. It's simple but not easy.
Facts
Josh barnett
The karate guy in the video is very impressive, do you know who he is?
agree 100%. the people are lobotomised by bjjs marketing
I love wrestling, played Rugby in HS and the blast double leg and the ability to drag someone to the floor is great. The main problem is beyond school theres no wrestling academies for adults, and honestly they probably wouldnt do well because the average adult doesnt want to grind down their body for sake of a sport. Its extremely effective in one on one combat but it destroys your knees and back. Yes its effective but highly impractical to train for the hobbist who, lets be honest, are the ones keeping the lights on in the gym.