5 REASONS WHY WRESTLING DESTROYS BRAZILIAN JUJITSU: The KINGS OF GROUND AND POUND

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  • @kingartifex
    @kingartifex Місяць тому +72

    the biggest weakness of wrestling, is that after the age of 18 you are not allowed to learn it anywhere

  • @user-zg7kv6zy4z
    @user-zg7kv6zy4z Місяць тому +48

    Wrestlers should open martial arts schools.

  • @hagoparslanian4961
    @hagoparslanian4961 Місяць тому +31

    GSP turned into a great wrestler but his original background was karate I believe

  • @randybowman
    @randybowman Місяць тому +16

    The big problem with wrestling is that outside of school theres not much wrestling. So as an adult who didnt wrestle in high school I had no chance to learn wrestling other than going to a bjj gym and finding people who had done wrestling in school then asking them questions. Where are the adult hobby wrestling clubs?

  • @zenmartialartist701
    @zenmartialartist701 Місяць тому +45

    Folkstyle wrestling is the best foundation for grappling, i won my first Jiujitsu tournament using pure wrestling against two blue belts. The top control, wrist and Leg rides, and versatile takedowns are invaluable

  • @markchavarria5187
    @markchavarria5187 Місяць тому +32

    Wrestlers are tough man. I have zero experience wrestling but I do BJJ and they just smother you with weight distribution and pressure! I’m humble enough to accept that they have so much to offer technique wise and would love to learn wrestling as well. Good stuff.

  • @Calvinmob6886
    @Calvinmob6886 Місяць тому +17

    Wrestling and boxing are probably the two most important arts in MMA. I can box on the ground.

  • @Tigrethetiger
    @Tigrethetiger Місяць тому +22

    When I started BJJ as a wrestler no gi
    Guys who had less than a year training couldn’t do nothing with me
    Blue belts could only submit me , once I was tired
    I was still able to out wrestle purple belts ,but once again they have to get me tired first or wait for me to make mistakes
    Brown and black belts I still could out wrestle them standing but they submit me within seconds of hitting the ground

  • @hailegripshealthfitnessmil7270
    @hailegripshealthfitnessmil7270 Місяць тому +20

    As a blackbelt in bjj, I totally agree, wrestling is the DNA! If you were to take the wrestling out of bjj , it certainly wouldn't be as effective!

  • @dfk09
    @dfk09 Місяць тому +12

    I don't think it's a mere coincidence that they were no wrestlers chosen for that historic UFC 1 match in 1993. I respect wrestlers a great deal. Like boxing, that sport is about that "grind".

    • @TheUmmahFightCamp
      @TheUmmahFightCamp  Місяць тому +3

      @dfk09: LOL! If you have to go back to UFC 1, you deserve to be blocked from my channel. Complete idiot. EVERYONE knows wrestling is king.

  • @jeremyhanson9646
    @jeremyhanson9646 Місяць тому +5

    I miss Randleman. Such a great athlete. Wrestling is the oldest and greatest of arts. The ferocity it teaches is unmatched. Love your videos.

  • @dianecenteno5275
    @dianecenteno5275 Місяць тому +4

    I've been training 40 years now. Foundation is Jujutsu, Old Judo, and Kenpo. I've crossed trained with wrestlers, and they are beast! Teach a wrester some Jujutsu / Judo joint locks.....F' scary 😨! Respect 🙏

  • @jopalo31675
    @jopalo31675 Місяць тому +9

    32 UFCs champions were wrestlers and 17 are jujitieros( BJJ black belts).
    What’s become a greater problem is the growth of the sport of Jujitsu. People don’t know, that in the 70s-80s in Brasil, Jujitieros competed in Judo, Luta Livre etc.
    There was no NAGA, ADCC etc. It was never a sport.
    Honestly, wrestling is the oldest martial art. Every culture wrestled. You can find wrestlers in the Amazon jungle or in the west coast of Africa.

  • @Dismantle-wp8sy
    @Dismantle-wp8sy Місяць тому +4

    My brother... Let's not forget Randy Coture!

  • @thewarriorking210421
    @thewarriorking210421 Місяць тому +10

    Kazuchi Sakuraba (The Gracie Hunter) Catch Wrestler Josh Barnett Matt Hughes

  • @josemucarselsacoto5122
    @josemucarselsacoto5122 Місяць тому +4

    Tyvm for sharing your wisdom coach. The egos are big but the ears are too small to listen. Keep up the good work!

  • @michaelsmelt5218
    @michaelsmelt5218 Місяць тому +2

    As a BJJ blue belt (3 years) I cant argue with this. Im a believer in less is more and like you've said with boxing doing something to mastery is best. Too bad wrestling is not available for adults as much as BJJ is.

  • @40acresandatractor222
    @40acresandatractor222 Місяць тому +2

    I agree wholeheartedly and don't let the wrestler add jujitsu👀

  • @Tigrethetiger
    @Tigrethetiger Місяць тому +4

    Wrestling sets you up perfectly for strikes on the ground
    Concrete is un forgiving , a slam can knock you out
    As a former wrestler with out much thought , I can think of of 20+ ways to take someone down , with out going down with them
    Even if so I’d already be in position to strike

  • @eugenelem83
    @eugenelem83 Місяць тому +2

    I remember realizing this watching Brock Lesnar nearly beat Frank Mir a world champion in one of his first few mma matches

  • @Jaykuza609
    @Jaykuza609 Місяць тому +3

    Excellent insight. IMHO the meta of high level grappling competition right now IS wrestling. Just found your channel recently and really enjoying the content. Appreciate you.

  • @Leveer13
    @Leveer13 Місяць тому +2

    Folkstyle is the direct descendent of Catch as Catch Can or Catch Wrestling. Catch actually used to be an Olympic Sport alongside Greco Roman. You can still see shadows of the removed submissions in moves like the Guillotine, the Banana Split, etc.

  • @amazingmingchan9428
    @amazingmingchan9428 Місяць тому +2

    Mic dropped. You have won my respect and my subscription. Keep up the great work. 👍🏿

  • @hotlanta35
    @hotlanta35 Місяць тому +2

    I wrestled in high school and it was the hardest sport I ever played

  • @coolcaveman5912
    @coolcaveman5912 Місяць тому +1

    U make a compelling argument. Especially the insight about mind set. Good food for thought.

  • @bil-alak3382
    @bil-alak3382 Місяць тому +6

    Sir I agree with you and from watching your videos all of them I have decided to learn wrestling and judo also.
    But I disagree with some points here:
    Wrestling/Judo dominates BJJ in standing game only. Talking about submission and ground game, BJJ works better than wrestling and judo. Pure BJJ fighters who only know jiujitsu are very inefficient in takedowns and standing game strategies.
    Moreover I appreciate your contents. Pure Gold. ❤❤❤

  • @pootytang2872
    @pootytang2872 Місяць тому +15

    the bjj community started calling ground and pound, 'jits with hits'

  • @jrehberger
    @jrehberger Місяць тому +1

    I enjoy the passion you have for your perspective.

  • @charlieparker7159
    @charlieparker7159 Місяць тому +3

    Wrestlers control where the fight is fought. Add some striking and a little bjj and you have the perfect fighter

  • @fancyAlex1993
    @fancyAlex1993 Місяць тому +1

    Totally agree. This man had always been ahead of time.

  • @ezra420420
    @ezra420420 Місяць тому +1

    everyone in jujitsu training wrestling now

  • @MangoSlade.
    @MangoSlade. Місяць тому +2

    What about Don Frye and Dan Severn?

  • @joshuamancarter
    @joshuamancarter Місяць тому +1

    Great breakdown, sir

  • @__________o____________
    @__________o____________ Місяць тому

    I just found your channel and I’m amazed to see someone with a mindset like mine. Thanks for your wisdom

  • @KillerKlipsch
    @KillerKlipsch Місяць тому

    I've been saying this for years, glad you validated it! Great vid

  • @The-Contractor
    @The-Contractor Місяць тому +1

    Without question the most well reasoned and clearly stated rationale for holding a specific opinion in regard to H2H combat systems I have ever encountered. Brilliant, simply brilliant.

  • @chrisnoe7272
    @chrisnoe7272 Місяць тому +2

    I absolutely respect your opinion, and I firmly believe that wrestling is an extremely effective martial art. However, based on my experience, I have successfully applied chokes on many wrestlers I've grappled with in a context where punches aren't allowed. Additionally, in the Bo Nickel and Gordan Ryan match, it appeared that Jiu-Jitsu had the advantage. Nevertheless, in a direct confrontation between a wrestler and a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner, I am confident that the wrestler holds the upper hand.

  • @abujay1285
    @abujay1285 Місяць тому +2

    Salam ustad the problem is that people think BJJ is be all end all, they just market themselves well. People forget other arts such as Judo, Sambo, Catch, Luta livre not everything is jiu jitsu but people stick to it because of all the marketing and programming.
    Especially no-gi which is not BJJ but more like Catch and luta livre. Its a big world and a lot of BJJ players would not survive in tge world of Judo yet to still see a BJJ player transition to Olympic Judo and do well.

  • @carsonjamesiv2512
    @carsonjamesiv2512 Місяць тому

    Interesting Perspective!😃👍

  • @ICP-Crusader
    @ICP-Crusader Місяць тому

    Thank You for all your wisdom. Since you are also a judo guy, what are your thoughts on that for the street combined with striking? Ty in advance

  • @kaliduncanel3356
    @kaliduncanel3356 Місяць тому

    Can you do video about what the most dominant striking art is?

  • @toddianuzzi9296
    @toddianuzzi9296 Місяць тому

    Agree with all. Good analysis

  • @Graffight
    @Graffight Місяць тому +3

    Fully agree though I'd add BJ Penn into the BJJ top fighters list so 3 out of the top 20

  • @BMO_Creative
    @BMO_Creative Місяць тому +2

    Facts! If you look at the best BJJ schools, they teach starting on the feet wrestling with some bjj guards and passes.

  • @chrism9286
    @chrism9286 Місяць тому +2

    Anyone on comments tell me why adults don't continue wrestling and why BJJ dominates with comps for adults. Done BJJ myself. Cannot find a wrestling club with adults. All kids.

  • @Oh_So_Based
    @Oh_So_Based Місяць тому

    That was a hard ass soundtrack during those highlights 🎼

  • @RichZuHaus
    @RichZuHaus Місяць тому +1

    Insightful comments regarding passivity. The culture of wrestling cannot allow a backstep...except maybe as a setup. It used to be a step back would bring the stalling warning poste haste. I enjoyed my first taste of your content!

  • @LAMBYAH
    @LAMBYAH Місяць тому +2

    DON'T FORGET CARLOS NEWTON.

  • @andysapp8190
    @andysapp8190 Місяць тому

    Explosive movements, intensity, and mental toughness

  • @Matt-jc2ml
    @Matt-jc2ml Місяць тому +1

    I don't agree with everything you say, but this is spot on.

  • @Scientists_dont_lie
    @Scientists_dont_lie Місяць тому

    The title alone brought me here.
    I ALWAYS BELIEVED THIS! ! ! I haven't watch this yet (Im about to), but my opinion, wrestling's athleticism and explosiveness is a better element get good at, Wrestling is better for athleticism and explosiveness. 7:18 #2: I appreciate this #2 breakdown

  • @bolespal3475
    @bolespal3475 Місяць тому

    Very true and this is a guy who’s been doing Jiu Jitsu for 2 years, wrestlers are bred different. The pressure and understanding body mechanics, and also speed. It’s definitely enough to worry jujutsu competitors in the near future or you can say it’s already here.

  • @DaRealNaga
    @DaRealNaga Місяць тому

    I agree with you, from experience.

  • @enter_the_ru
    @enter_the_ru Місяць тому

    I really felt that cardio comment. I am a beginner at Chinese wrestling (Beijing Shuaijiao) and even practicing requires stamina. I'm a hobbyist but I am trying to up my training because my cardio sucks. Trying not to be thrown, getting thrown, then getting back up right away is taxing and hard.

  • @fergusb
    @fergusb Місяць тому

    Would love to know your opinion on the Graice Open mat challenge

    • @fergusb
      @fergusb Місяць тому

      People read too much into that, in some way shape or form it was in the Gracies favour, on their turf and in a gym with matts

  • @kennethbruner2921
    @kennethbruner2921 Місяць тому

    I agree 💯. You can’t make any other argument logically.

  • @miguelkams8850
    @miguelkams8850 Місяць тому

    Facts are facts right on my big brother right on❤

  • @andrewryan7583
    @andrewryan7583 Місяць тому

    Very good points. Stats don’t lie!!

  • @davesullivan4289
    @davesullivan4289 Місяць тому

    Great footage of the late great Kevin Randallman!!

  • @derrickrobinson7269
    @derrickrobinson7269 Місяць тому +8

    Very informative video, if you are speaking in general terms I would have to agree, especially when it comes to Traditional Gi BJJ.
    I'd like to argue that modern NoGi Jiu Jitsu (what I practice) is more-so Catch Wrestling in modern times, but with more attacks. I believe ADCC is doing a great job of pushing wrestling to NoGi which makes practitioners much grittier than 10-20 years ago.
    I'd also like to argue that Wrestling needs some knowledge of JiuJitsu in order to be successful in MMA. If you take a Pure Wrestler vs a Pure BJJ athlete (Neither has striking) then the BJJ athlete SHOULD win if the skill levels are comparable.
    If the Wrestler keeps the fight standing, then he needs to out-strike the BJJ athlete (no longer grappling, whoever has the better striking wins). If the Wrestler takedown the BJJ athlete, he needs submission knowledge & defense (no longer pure wrestling)
    Wrestling by itself is not great, but Wrestling paired with Striking or BJJ is a recipe for a champion (same goes for BJJ paired with Wrestling or Striking)

  • @westendlolo3313
    @westendlolo3313 Місяць тому +1

    I love using mainly wrestling with a splash of BJJ for sub defense and offense but tbh top control is king lol

  • @TheAllAmericanSocialistMTR1000
    @TheAllAmericanSocialistMTR1000 Місяць тому +5

    RIP Kevin Randleman.

  • @SunMagnetic
    @SunMagnetic Місяць тому

    Wrestling training is definitely #1. I believe it's the best way to train in general.

  • @andresoares1526
    @andresoares1526 Місяць тому

    Hey coach, can you give da name of da song in kevin videos.

  • @peterlofstrom3954
    @peterlofstrom3954 Місяць тому +1

    No-Gi is pretty good

  • @josefgross1493
    @josefgross1493 Місяць тому

    Absolutely true,wrestling dominates.

  • @peakworkflows
    @peakworkflows Місяць тому

    True. And the young punk never expects the 70 yr old ex-wrestler to shoot in for the double leg.

  • @melmorn4260
    @melmorn4260 Місяць тому

    How can I get your dvds?

  • @ExpatTraderFX
    @ExpatTraderFX Місяць тому +2

    a good wrestler can always take down a BJJ guy. you should always start in wrestling and than add some bjj to the arsenal. i got my 5 year old boy I want to get into wrestling freestyle and muay Thai for his personal training. he will thank me later in life for it

  • @lsporter88
    @lsporter88 Місяць тому

    Your logic, including the visual evidence you've just shown.....is undeniable. I don't believe there can be any realistic argument against this. Your point is forever solidly made in my very humble opinion. It will be interesting to see what the response could even possibly be from the Brazilian Jujitsu crowd. Perhaps they will be wise this time and remain silent from here on. Great presentation.

  • @rockefeller13
    @rockefeller13 Місяць тому

    I agree 100 percent

  • @hagoparslanian4961
    @hagoparslanian4961 Місяць тому

    People forget Lidell and Rampage had wrestling backgrounds also

  • @slave2allah
    @slave2allah Місяць тому

    Barakallah feeq shisho 💯

  • @jeremievivianagriffin9458
    @jeremievivianagriffin9458 Місяць тому

    💯 FACTS!

  • @hazzyhugh8729
    @hazzyhugh8729 Місяць тому

    Well said champ..I like the way you have depicted all the technicalities between Bjj and Wrestling. Keep on inspiring my brother 🙏 💪

  • @three-eyedbro5850
    @three-eyedbro5850 Місяць тому

    Great video.. also Wrestlers understand control as to where jiu jitsu doesn't necessarily have that

  • @gregory4154
    @gregory4154 Місяць тому

    I agree with you completely. The problem with BJJ is it has moved so far away from street application and into a sport. Ask any BJJ if they've ever thrown a punch lately. And notice all the butt scooting? It's absurd. Things have become cult-like. Try telling an Aikidoist that their art doesn't work, and watch the reaction. Same thing.

  • @mikes62soupcan
    @mikes62soupcan Місяць тому

    I got to agree .

  • @kedah2398
    @kedah2398 Місяць тому +1

    Only made it to the 3 minute mark but I agree with everything said. Knowing the price point of BJJ approx $200/month, most young folks can't swing that monthly due, what we have is older folks that's more financially stable getting into JJ and loving it! It's going to be hard as hell teaching Masters 2/3... folks the fundaments of wrestling, just the fundamentals will break them! Now I would have titled this video 'Wrestling is better than BJJ for MMA'.

    • @TheUmmahFightCamp
      @TheUmmahFightCamp  Місяць тому

      @kedah2398: If you only made it to the 3 minute mark, this channel is not for you. Next, I wrestle and I am 62. Perhaps you think the only move in wrestling is the high C. Lastly, I named the video, what I had on my mind. And that is: "Wrestling destroys BJJ". Because it does. When you have something to offer, you name the videos what you want. Otherwise, come here to learn.

    • @kedah2398
      @kedah2398 Місяць тому

      @@TheUmmahFightCamp I'm not negating that Wrestling beats BJJ, I wholeheartedly agree with you there so much so that I'm not even going waste time teaching my daughters BJJ maybe in the off season. With that said, sorry I couldn't give your video more time, there's only a 2-3 min window to make you pitch before I invest time watching but good work, I'll be looking out for more of your stuff...

  • @russelllustig9132
    @russelllustig9132 Місяць тому

    I love how you're not even open to a friendly debate. " I'm not going to tolerate denial and go back and forth with people" lmao.

  • @SoldierOfGodKJV
    @SoldierOfGodKJV Місяць тому

    I agree.

  • @opaca512
    @opaca512 Місяць тому

    Amen. 🙏

  • @waynethompson6667
    @waynethompson6667 Місяць тому

    I don’t watch cage fighting. With the exception of Demetrius Jones who I have not seen compete, I mentioned every name you did almost in the same order. I also immediately thought of Silva and Fedor as the two outliers when you said 18 of 20 of the all time greats were wrestlers.

  • @davesullivan4289
    @davesullivan4289 Місяць тому

    And the rules favor strikers. Starting on the feet and most of all having rounds where by they start on their feet again

  • @jaisonjay6527
    @jaisonjay6527 Місяць тому

    Dope!

  • @dalroache
    @dalroache Місяць тому

    FACTS....

  • @Bossmanbritt7
    @Bossmanbritt7 Місяць тому

    I agree

  • @2gunzup07
    @2gunzup07 Місяць тому

    Matt Hughes, Mark Coleman, Jon Jones, kabib, Dan the man tito Otis, I can go on and on

  • @TyrannosaurusRex1997
    @TyrannosaurusRex1997 Місяць тому +2

    You're correct. BJJ isn't the only styles with submissions. Judo, Sambo, Catch Wrestling, and Shaui Jiao as examples. Great video btw.

    • @robcubed9557
      @robcubed9557 Місяць тому

      True, but BJJ is basically a branch Judo that focused on the ground game and submissions where as modern-day Judo cut back on ground games in order to focus on throws.

  • @anthonyrussell4888
    @anthonyrussell4888 Місяць тому

    Rashad Evans is no joke.😊

  • @anwarsentinel1752
    @anwarsentinel1752 Місяць тому

    Let's not forget the great gamma who was a wrestler who beat matsaeda maeda - the spiritual godfather of BJJ.

  • @overclucker
    @overclucker Місяць тому

    I started martial arts before wrestling so I had a hard time breaking that specific habit, even with my high school coaches screaming at me "Get off your back Rosie!"

  • @liammorris7324
    @liammorris7324 Місяць тому

    Brick city? You coach in newark?

  • @opaca512
    @opaca512 Місяць тому +1

    I will disagree on the assumption that wrestling has less technical skills to master. The skills number in the hundreds, and similar to BJJ, new techniques are still being developed or reimplemented.

    • @TheUmmahFightCamp
      @TheUmmahFightCamp  Місяць тому

      @opaca512: You are wrong. Wrestling has far fewer techniques to master. What you are seeing are moves strung together. BJJ can have 600 SEPARATE techniques . Not so each style of wrestling SEPARATED! Nice try though. This is a former full scholarship wrestler talking.

  • @allenharrelliii7424
    @allenharrelliii7424 Місяць тому

    Bjj coachwhen your on bottom- do the 15 steps of this "technique". Wrestling coach when your on bottom- win the grip fight, seek head height, seek hip height...hip heist. It's simple but not easy.

  • @2gunzup07
    @2gunzup07 Місяць тому

    Facts

  • @charliehustle6508
    @charliehustle6508 Місяць тому +1

    Josh barnett

  • @s1r155
    @s1r155 Місяць тому

    The karate guy in the video is very impressive, do you know who he is?

  • @Sira628
    @Sira628 Місяць тому

    agree 100%. the people are lobotomised by bjjs marketing

  • @mikekassai
    @mikekassai Місяць тому

    I love wrestling, played Rugby in HS and the blast double leg and the ability to drag someone to the floor is great. The main problem is beyond school theres no wrestling academies for adults, and honestly they probably wouldnt do well because the average adult doesnt want to grind down their body for sake of a sport. Its extremely effective in one on one combat but it destroys your knees and back. Yes its effective but highly impractical to train for the hobbist who, lets be honest, are the ones keeping the lights on in the gym.