Karate was KING in the seventies it was highly respected. I took Goju karate at that time bare knuckle full contact in Harlem. Karate was so respected and FEARED that people didn’t casually join schools. If you joined a school back then you were signing up for a whole lot of pain.
I started karate in '67. It was great! No equipment except a cup, bare knuckle and groin was a legal target. We trained hard and we fought hard, and I've got the damage to prove it, lol Still train hard and have tried to evolve my skill set with a little boxing, Muay Thai, JKD and submission grappling. Thank you!
When I first started in like 97 or 96 I remember sparring with no pads but it was tkd. Times have changed as lot of martial arts not just karate. Thank you for this video.
TO THIS FORUM: Because of the cognitive dissonance lol, people suffer from when what I say differs from what they want to believe, I feel obliged to give my credentials before some videos. This is one of them. If it is not needed for you, you can skip to 4:28. That is where I introduce the two videos that will start my point off. Sayf
Selam mr. Carman. You are an inspiration. I respect you a lot. If i would live in the states i would literally be your uchi deshi. Do you have plans to teach inhouse students? Just got curious. I would pay if i would live in the states. Yours Yusuf from Vienna
This is so True I have Uncles that should me and my brothers in the Hood back in the Late 70s in Shotokan and Tang soo do And My UNCLES WAS AT THE TOURNAMENT WHEN VICTOR MOORE BLOCKED BRUCE LEE"s punches they were there so understand what you mean and what you speaking on is so true they did water it down.
very good video.....was told the same thing by my shotokan teacher ....the only way he could keep the school open was to teach a watered down version to most, of his students.....but those who he felt could handle the harder classes were taught at different times and kept away from the casual students......this worked out well, until we would go to tournaments (point) and would get disqualified for making contact of any kind......
Also Joe Rogan whom I have listened to a few times, more for his interviews outside of fighting. I have heard him speak negative on traditional martial arts, including karate a few times. Yet hails BJJ as king, and once fighters in the ufc started being successful using karate, it changed. What you said in this video about the training being harder, is what my friend has told me before.
Hey Simeon Prince, my eldest son's name, mma I feel, rocks the masses to sleep thinking that what's good in the cage is good on the streets. A hard "NO" in my opinion. Blessings.
Back in the day East Coast, Texas Karate was FEARED,especially East Coast. Even a few Kung Fu fighters(Tayari Casel, Paul Vizio etc ali) stepped up to test their art. Furthermore their teachers gave back to the community and passed that on to the kids as a social value.
I remember the intensity of Karate training in the 70s and 80s. Karate is awesome and highly effective. I appreciate all your videos. Keep up the great work.
I have recently come across Okinawan karate and I am amazed, especially with the simplistic but effective way that mirrors Okinawan life. Great subject matter brother teacher. Yah's blessings
This is what ultimately happens with every martial art. I practice and teach Wing Chun along with Boxing and Bagua. There are tons of videos of Wing Chun guys getting their asses kicked because it's been so badly watered down. All they do is Chi Sao and forms. They don't do the body conditioning, contact drills, weapons training, or sparring. Those things have always been an extremely important part of the system, but if you don't do them you can't fight. At the end of the day most people are lazy and those things while important, are hard and can be unpleasant. People will always find ways to take out the hard stuff in any martial art. And teachers know they won't have as many students if they teach the tough way. People also will be pissed off if they don't graduate to the next belt quickly so grading has become a joke. A black belt used to mean something. Not any more.
I lived in Beijing for about five years. It was crazy to see the same thing happen to a lot of martial arts schools there too at a rapid rate . In some cases it was even softer! At least you can still find some amateur boxing/Muay Thai there that’s decent, however for every legit gym there there three cardio boxing gyms open up. I went try a kyukushin place there once and was appalled at the lax behavior and the quality . When things go mainstream it’s usually not for the better.
I was taught Karate in the mid 1980's by a neighbor of ours who was at one time a Hell's Angel. It was to the point, tough, and effective. I have fought boxers, judo guys, BJJ'ers, Muay Thai, and Krav Maga fighters over the course of my life. Never had a problem. I have observed karate classes occasionally in the 1990's to present. It is not the same ting as I was taught. Seems to be more of a gymnastics thing.
great analysis Sayf. in addition to your pov also consider the movies and video games of that era too. American ninja, blood sport, rocky etc. just to name a few when compared to action films of present day it's mostly shoot em up with unrealistic fight scenes.
Randel Oland 901-ATT: I know smh. Still there are people still flapping their gums about karate. I mean, TRY it! I can set up a training session with some of my buddies for anyone who thinks karate is garbage. It is really because nothing is believed until that fraud Joe Rogan says something is legit. btw, did you know he was from NEWARK and his mom moved him out because it was too tough? His fans don't know that.
@@TheUmmahFightCamp I know Joe is from Newark. I'm also from Newark, I grew up in the Hawkings apartment complex near the train tracks but then I moved to PA, that place is boarded up now from what I've heard.
Kung Fu's decline had already happened before it ever reached white America, not least through the actions of the Maoists in the Cultural Revolution and then through watering down in Hong Kong and Taiwan of its violence under another kind of suppression by the state. Also remember that the practitioners who managed to escape the mainland were not necessarily the best and most knowledgeable representatives of Chinese martial arts!
TO THIS FORUM: Although this video has gotten some good reception, I still have to say something about those doubters. If you say water is not wet, I can assume you are joking, insane or have not felt the properties of water in the combination that manifests the sensation called "wetness". That said, if someone says karate done well is not devastating, I can assume that they have not done it or seen it done. I have SEEN 6 police officers have to arrest a GREEN BELT from one of the top schools in NEW BRUNSWICK NJ! (the police lived in the city then. No shots were fired). I, SAYF CARMAN always switched to karate if I was boxing evenly with another good boxer. My favorite technique was a sweep to his front leg so his hands would drop to keep his balance. I would follow with a reverse punch and the fight started going my way if it did not end altogether. I have a great idea for people who still doubt the effectiveness of karate. ANY OYAMA based full contact tournament will accept your registration if you want to fight in its full contact KNOCKDOWN tournament. It costs about 50 bucks to sign up. Buy a cheap gi and black belt. Let me know how you do. Otherwise, you are blowing smoke. If anyone needs help with registration, I would be MOOOOORE than happy to make some calls. S
This is funny and sad, Karate also got soft due to commercial dojos catering to little kids. I also grew up training in karate during the late 70's and into the 80's. If today's kids go through the training I went through in the 70's. By today's standards it would be called child abuse.
Love this video, cos I know it's true. PKA (Professional Karate Association) in the UK (me again, I commented before that blacks, whites and everyone overall can fight without weapons etc) had to water it down and pack everything in an hour. The people usually in attendance were never from disadvantaged/working class backgrounds and they didn't want the hard-core training anymore. My first martial art was muay thai/thai boxing, I was taught by Owen 'Ice Man' Comrie, who was trained by Master Toddy and also incidentally used to fight in PKA in the 80s I believe. Some of the PKA techniques he knew would come into play when he was teaching us muay thai and it was damn good training - I started in 1995 with him. When I trained PKA myself, that was around 2005 - 2007/8-ish (fought in a competition in June 2007), I was learning forms from DVDs in taekkyon, and shotokan karate. I was inspired by Ong Bak as there were muay boran forms in the film, and when I would blend them, it gave me a hybrid style that sat naturally with me. I also realised intuitively, that muay boran and karate had a lot in common, especially in terms of stances and foot placement and they complimented each other really well. I liked the sharpness of execution in karate, and Bruce Lee loved it too, he uses loads of karate in Enter the Dragon. Muay thai in the ring has a slower pace, but where it comes from i.e. Krabi-Krabong, Muay Boran, there is the principle of maximum efficiency, maximum damage. There are a lot of 'wrappy' techniques as it actually involves a lot of vertical wrestling and grappling, even though people first think of striking. Sorry for the looong comment🤦🏾♂️👊🏾😂
I agree with you 110 percent, thank you for pointing this out, what about the katas? What have they done is another story. Stay healthy, and may the lord bless you.
Julio Ramos: Yes! The "dances" they call kata today....I was looking at a demo being done by UK super fighter Elwyn Hall when he did a "fireman's Carry". A guy that said he was a black belt in Shotokan said it was "creative" for Hall to do that throw. I asked him, if he knew EMPI and he said "yes". I then told him to do it. When he got to the throw before the jump he just stopped and said, "Ill be damned!!!". 6 years of doing the kata and did not even know what it was. smh. A pleasure to have you in the forum. I remember your moniker :). Please continue to comment. S
Thank you for the video! So informative. Reminds me of when I studied Isshinryu karate as a child. We used pads and although I made it to black belt, I don't think I was very effective because of that and not practicing punches/kicks to the face. I have a question for you Mr. Carman: if you earn a black belt but forget most of you kata and training like I did, can you still call yourself a black belt or should you surrender it and earn it back again?
Michael Varner: Not only are you still a black belt, but if a man (or woman) can't freakin fight, they should NOT be promoted and told that they can not go any further. The only exceptions are the elderly and physically challenged. And even they should be taught to defend themselves as much as possible.
Micheal Varner: Also, I know GREAT fighters who never did kata. If a person did kata in tournaments but did not fight, I would boycott his kata performances.
Ma sha Allah, thanks for the break down Brother Sayf, very informative and clear. I cracked up when you played the clip of icy mike and seth sparring. Another aspect I think have contributed to watering down and softening karate is the lost arts of close range and clinchwork fighting that's was originally in Karate. I have some more requests for your bushido knowledge and I hope you could cover that one day inshaAllah. May Allah bless you Brother Sayf
Great video, well said. I was wondering and not keeping anything stirred up, but could you make a video explaining why BJJ is so darn expensive?? People have a right to make there money but darn BJJ is 200 dollars. Month for 12 months. Thats wayyy to expensive and to me thats not showing good integrity especially when lower income People can not afford to train.
I think you're right. I also think there might be some deliberate social engineering involved in addition to the natural economic forces you've just described. Great commentary.
Hamdullah Mujahid! Would u consider doing a video on 52 handblocks an anything u know similar to the martial art PARANZA CORTA. Thank u 4 being on you tube we appreciate you. Im tryin 2 change OG its a challenge everyday not to split 1 of these lil bastards wigs on demon time. I had a promising boxing career I use to be a regular sparring partner of heavyweight Leo Paco Nolan but at that time I was making more cheddar in the streets than he was in his fights. So I linked with some Russians an got into bareknuckle boxing which I prefer and now its legal an blowing up an im trying to get my foot in the door. I know without a doubt I would excel. Salute to you OG.🌟🙏✊🐺
This is cool, I like it, but this is all SPORT karate(fairly young martial art), what about Okinawan karate, which is obviously completely lost and forgotten(grappling with strikes...)
Study his earlier videos and watch how thoroughly he discusses Okinawa karate and other koryu that are combat effective to this day because they hold on to the old ways.
Maestre, As far as you know........ Is there anywhere that still practices Todo ? I think this is the older Ryu that was practiced in Okinawa before they developed Te. Thanks for all that you do.
"pure karate" is NO PADS, head butts, raking, ripping, joint manipulation, most things NOT legal in the UFC. However, it, at minimum is not jumping around.
People died in the 70’s studying karate. Some one died at the tong dojo and Kyokushin in Flatbush Brooklyn. The lawsuits that resulted made safety gear a must. Kaicho Tadashi Nakamura went from a savage instructor to a safety first instructor. Sensei Colefield was a heart attack.
Lannel Bishop: SOME people died studying karate. SOME. Some people died in the ghetto, but I am still glad I was raised there. In all of my years and they were many, I never heard of ONE law suit. Even with the injuries. If George Colefield had a heart attack, I doubt if it was because he was getting beat up. people DO have heart attacks.
@@TheUmmahFightCamp what I meant by saying Sensei Colefield was a heart attack, that his classes and school was very intense. I totally agree with your video and assessment. Brother people have sued ballet , gymnastics and other non combat physical culture clubs for injuries and accidents. I’m a 57 year old Black man from Crown heights Brooklyn. I love your videos. They remind me of good times.
Lannel Bishop: Ok then. And why were dojos getting sued? For several reasons, but more because the culture had changed as I said in the video. Certainly insurance and attorneys had been heard of in the 60s and 70s. No? Yes, karate was intense and you know what, most of the injures happened with MATCHED weights and ages. My point is that karate IS and should be karate, not a place where "little jimmy" gets dropped off before "susie" goes to dance class. There were many times when I did not feel like going to class as a young man (and a grown one lol). At NO TIME though, did I want or expect karate to be anything but what it was.
@@TheUmmahFightCamp Brother I’m in total agreement with you. Karate should be hard training and hard fighting to a point where it is safer for the students. When Weidman broke his leg I thought that wouldn’t have happen to me because being taught by true masters of Karate, but then I’ve seen people who moved up too soon get broken because they were chasing belt status instead of truly learning techniques. I knew those fools would get broken also. As a green belt I was allowed to spar with visiting Japanese Black belts because my defense was solid. I studied under the same masters Bruce Lee did. Those masters being Mohammed Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson and Jack Dempsey. In our time students were slap for getting techniques wrong. Today’s parents wouldn’t allow that. I have never worn shin guards. I see mma gyms wear shin guards. Our generation knew karate was a killing art. I watch the ufc since the second contest. That short Japanese Goju black belt that Royce choke out in thirty seconds was a Sempai I trained with. He competed without Kaicho’s permission. Boy did he get in trouble. When I was a boy every Black guy I knew told me every white boy knew how to wrestle and if you were to ever fight one you better pop and move pop and move. They said if they take you down it’s a wrap.
@@lannelbishop3668 LOL! true about that wrestling! The sad thing is that even today, few blacks appreciate wrestling in spite of the African arts that are actually wrestling. Like LAAM. On the issue of protective gear, I do want to say this: It is NOT the gear that is so much the issue as the "playing" that goes on with it. I let my guys wear PG and you know what I tell them? I tell them that since they have PG on they should be throwing at at least 75%. Some people think I am unrealistic and close ties cannot be maintained if buddies go 75%. I tell them to watch MMA. Those guys spar to help each other and know they cannot help their buddy if they do not hit him.
Very Good Point I was about to blame Chuck Norris and Bill Wallace and Bob Wall and Grandmaster Rhee for it being soft in America and Also the Media as well especially Black Belt Magazine in which I wish you would do sit down on that media crap because they treated black martial artist in the 70s Like Crap. there were certain people they didn't bother to interview, like stuff that you are talking about they would hate this commentary.
The great Vic Moore is an example. He beat many top notch white champions in the late 60's to early 70's : yet .... All you hear about him are crickets.
Great video. I see you haven taken the gloves off.lol. karate and traditional martial arts are now frowned on , because of the water down garbage given now. I remember growing up in the 90's, and when someone said they knew karate, it was said to scare people. When I watch Mayweather, his stance reminds of karate. Roy Jones with his powerful single punches and then moving away, reminds me also of Karate. I never practiced it, but I see it has so many elements, one can even apply to other fighting styles.
Very True! FLOYD does approach boxing like Karate. Even his side stance is NOT "traditional" boxing. Great point. ROY also. I never caught that, but you are right on point! Great observation.
Also Joey Diaz the comedian use to talk about how serious Karate use to be. Not sure if he was in the Bronx or another part in Manhattan but he said before he moved to Jersey Karate schools were very hardcore
Karate was KING in the seventies it was highly respected. I took Goju karate at that time bare knuckle full contact in Harlem. Karate was so respected and FEARED that people didn’t casually join schools. If you joined a school back then you were signing up for a whole lot of pain.
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My dad used to do Karate in the 70s. He has some amazing things to say about it. The training was very intense. Now it's just diluted.
I started karate in '67. It was great! No equipment except a cup, bare knuckle and groin was a legal target. We trained hard and we fought hard, and I've got the damage to prove it, lol Still train hard and have tried to evolve my skill set with a little boxing, Muay Thai, JKD and submission grappling. Thank you!
You've nailed it. When I first started Karate, there was no safety gear. It slowly changed over a generation.
When I first started in like 97 or 96 I remember sparring with no pads but it was tkd. Times have changed as lot of martial arts not just karate. Thank you for this video.
We used to call what was demonstrated in the first video as “cat play” it’s what we did to warm up for the real fighting.
LOL! So true! We used to call it "Dancing" or "Flowing". YOU are sooooo right.
TO THIS FORUM: Because of the cognitive dissonance lol, people suffer from when what I say differs from what they want to believe, I feel obliged to give my credentials before some videos. This is one of them. If it is not needed for you, you can skip to 4:28. That is where I introduce the two videos that will start my point off. Sayf
How do you feel about kung fu in the modern era?
Selam mr. Carman. You are an inspiration. I respect you a lot. If i would live in the states i would literally be your uchi deshi. Do you have plans to teach inhouse students? Just got curious. I would pay if i would live in the states. Yours Yusuf from Vienna
This is so True I have Uncles that should me and my brothers in the Hood back in the Late 70s in Shotokan and Tang soo do And My UNCLES WAS AT THE TOURNAMENT WHEN VICTOR MOORE BLOCKED BRUCE LEE"s punches they were there so understand what you mean and what you speaking on is so true they did water it down.
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"Amateur martial arts is the source of many wounds" - Myomoto Musashi. Peace brother
very good video.....was told the same thing by my shotokan teacher ....the only way he could keep the school open was to teach a watered down version to most, of his students.....but those who he felt could handle the harder classes were taught at different times and kept away from the casual students......this worked out well, until we would go to tournaments (point) and would get disqualified for making contact of any kind......
Also Joe Rogan whom I have listened to a few times, more for his interviews outside of fighting. I have heard him speak negative on traditional martial arts, including karate a few times. Yet hails BJJ as king, and once fighters in the ufc started being successful using karate, it changed. What you said in this video about the training being harder, is what my friend has told me before.
Hey Simeon Prince, my eldest son's name, mma I feel, rocks the masses to sleep thinking that what's good in the cage is good on the streets. A hard "NO" in my opinion. Blessings.
This exact same thing is happening with BJJ where people only roll now and they never put on gloves to spar or slap each other to make it realistic
Back in the day East Coast, Texas Karate was FEARED,especially East Coast. Even a few Kung Fu fighters(Tayari Casel, Paul Vizio etc ali) stepped up to test their art. Furthermore their teachers gave back to the community and passed that on to the kids as a social value.
azlaroc: Tayari Casel is on the poster I show :)
@@TheUmmahFightCamp yessir I noticed! Thank you for your no nonsense insight. It's rather refreshing.
@@azlaroc12 Thank you for your support.
I remember the intensity of Karate training in the 70s and 80s. Karate is awesome and highly effective. I appreciate all your videos. Keep up the great work.
WOW! I was just watching all of your karate videos last night. Right on time.
I have recently come across Okinawan karate and I am amazed, especially with the simplistic but effective way that mirrors Okinawan life. Great subject matter brother teacher. Yah's blessings
This is what ultimately happens with every martial art. I practice and teach Wing Chun along with Boxing and Bagua. There are tons of videos of Wing Chun guys getting their asses kicked because it's been so badly watered down. All they do is Chi Sao and forms. They don't do the body conditioning, contact drills, weapons training, or sparring. Those things have always been an extremely important part of the system, but if you don't do them you can't fight. At the end of the day most people are lazy and those things while important, are hard and can be unpleasant. People will always find ways to take out the hard stuff in any martial art. And teachers know they won't have as many students if they teach the tough way. People also will be pissed off if they don't graduate to the next belt quickly so grading has become a joke. A black belt used to mean something. Not any more.
What an amazing story. Thank you for everything you do.
SubhanAllah, very insightful. 'Does fighting reflect life or life reflect fighting'. Jazakhallah Khair Coach.
Fighting changes-if it does at all-as society changes. With that intensity, weapons, frequency...
@@TheUmmahFightCamp I see. This is true
I lived in Beijing for about five years. It was crazy to see the same thing happen to a lot of martial arts schools there too at a rapid rate . In some cases it was even softer! At least you can still find some amateur boxing/Muay Thai there that’s decent, however for every legit gym there there three cardio boxing gyms open up. I went try a kyukushin place there once and was appalled at the lax behavior and the quality . When things go mainstream it’s usually not for the better.
I was taught Karate in the mid 1980's by a neighbor of ours who was at one time a Hell's Angel. It was to the point, tough, and effective. I have fought boxers, judo guys, BJJ'ers, Muay Thai, and Krav Maga fighters over the course of my life. Never had a problem. I have observed karate classes occasionally in the 1990's to present. It is not the same ting as I was taught. Seems to be more of a gymnastics thing.
great analysis Sayf. in addition to your pov also consider the movies and video games of that era too. American ninja, blood sport, rocky etc. just to name a few when compared to action films of present day it's mostly shoot em up with unrealistic fight scenes.
Same thing happened to Kung Fu. I amazed people diss Karate, GSP said the same thing Henry said about how Karate helped his wrestling.
Randel Oland 901-ATT: I know smh. Still there are people still flapping their gums about karate. I mean, TRY it! I can set up a training session with some of my buddies for anyone who thinks karate is garbage. It is really because nothing is believed until that fraud Joe Rogan says something is legit. btw, did you know he was from NEWARK and his mom moved him out because it was too tough? His fans don't know that.
@@TheUmmahFightCamp I know Joe is from Newark. I'm also from Newark, I grew up in the Hawkings apartment complex near the train tracks but then I moved to PA, that place is boarded up now from what I've heard.
Kung Fu's decline had already happened before it ever reached white America, not least through the actions of the Maoists in the Cultural Revolution and then through watering down in Hong Kong and Taiwan of its violence under another kind of suppression by the state. Also remember that the practitioners who managed to escape the mainland were not necessarily the best and most knowledgeable representatives of Chinese martial arts!
TO THIS FORUM: Although this video has gotten some good reception, I still have to say something about those doubters. If you say water is not wet, I can assume you are joking, insane or have not felt the properties of water in the combination that manifests the sensation called "wetness". That said, if someone says karate done well is not devastating, I can assume that they have not done it or seen it done. I have SEEN 6 police officers have to arrest a GREEN BELT from one of the top schools in NEW BRUNSWICK NJ! (the police lived in the city then. No shots were fired). I, SAYF CARMAN always switched to karate if I was boxing evenly with another good boxer. My favorite technique was a sweep to his front leg so his hands would drop to keep his balance. I would follow with a reverse punch and the fight started going my way if it did not end altogether. I have a great idea for people who still doubt the effectiveness of karate. ANY OYAMA based full contact tournament will accept your registration if you want to fight in its full contact KNOCKDOWN tournament. It costs about 50 bucks to sign up. Buy a cheap gi and black belt. Let me know how you do. Otherwise, you are blowing smoke. If anyone needs help with registration, I would be MOOOOORE than happy to make some calls. S
Am I blocked on your Channel an if not,are you against me leaving a video in your comments.Because I meant know harm...!
This is funny and sad, Karate also got soft due to commercial dojos catering to little kids. I also grew up training in karate during the late 70's and into the 80's. If today's kids go through the training I went through in the 70's. By today's standards it would be called child abuse.
Love this video, cos I know it's true. PKA (Professional Karate Association) in the UK (me again, I commented before that blacks, whites and everyone overall can fight without weapons etc) had to water it down and pack everything in an hour. The people usually in attendance were never from disadvantaged/working class backgrounds and they didn't want the hard-core training anymore.
My first martial art was muay thai/thai boxing, I was taught by Owen 'Ice Man' Comrie, who was trained by Master Toddy and also incidentally used to fight in PKA in the 80s I believe. Some of the PKA techniques he knew would come into play when he was teaching us muay thai and it was damn good training - I started in 1995 with him. When I trained PKA myself, that was around 2005 - 2007/8-ish (fought in a competition in June 2007), I was learning forms from DVDs in taekkyon, and shotokan karate. I was inspired by Ong Bak as there were muay boran forms in the film, and when I would blend them, it gave me a hybrid style that sat naturally with me.
I also realised intuitively, that muay boran and karate had a lot in common, especially in terms of stances and foot placement and they complimented each other really well. I liked the sharpness of execution in karate, and Bruce Lee loved it too, he uses loads of karate in Enter the Dragon. Muay thai in the ring has a slower pace, but where it comes from i.e. Krabi-Krabong, Muay Boran, there is the principle of maximum efficiency, maximum damage. There are a lot of 'wrappy' techniques as it actually involves a lot of vertical wrestling and grappling, even though people first think of striking. Sorry for the looong comment🤦🏾♂️👊🏾😂
ShadowStarMicah24: It helps when it is true! lol
I agree with you 110 percent, thank you for pointing this out, what about the katas? What have they done is another story. Stay healthy, and may the lord bless you.
Julio Ramos: Yes! The "dances" they call kata today....I was looking at a demo being done by UK super fighter Elwyn Hall when he did a "fireman's Carry". A guy that said he was a black belt in Shotokan said it was "creative" for Hall to do that throw. I asked him, if he knew EMPI and he said "yes". I then told him to do it. When he got to the throw before the jump he just stopped and said, "Ill be damned!!!". 6 years of doing the kata and did not even know what it was. smh. A pleasure to have you in the forum. I remember your moniker :). Please continue to comment. S
Thank you for the video! So informative. Reminds me of when I studied Isshinryu karate as a child. We used pads and although I made it to black belt, I don't think I was very effective because of that and not practicing punches/kicks to the face. I have a question for you Mr. Carman: if you earn a black belt but forget most of you kata and training like I did, can you still call yourself a black belt or should you surrender it and earn it back again?
I wouldn't call myself black belt based on those criterias, and from what I know is that black belt differ from style to style
You earned it. You can easily remember what you learned in a month.
Michael Varner: Not only are you still a black belt, but if a man (or woman) can't freakin fight, they should NOT be promoted and told that they can not go any further. The only exceptions are the elderly and physically challenged. And even they should be taught to defend themselves as much as possible.
Micheal Varner: Also, I know GREAT fighters who never did kata. If a person did kata in tournaments but did not fight, I would boycott his kata performances.
I think most of those things you learned are still in your muscle memory, you just need a quick repetition brother
which style of karate now is continuing this legacy and not being watered down? kyokushin styles??
sira: Kyokushin does well in that it is still hard and challenges your character. On Okinawa though, karate is still being practiced right.
@@TheUmmahFightCamp so okinawan styles like goju ryu and kyokushin.
How do you feel about uechi ryu karate?
Ma sha Allah, thanks for the break down Brother Sayf, very informative and clear. I cracked up when you played the clip of icy mike and seth sparring.
Another aspect I think have contributed to watering down and softening karate is the lost arts of close range and clinchwork fighting that's was originally in Karate.
I have some more requests for your bushido knowledge and I hope you could cover that one day inshaAllah.
May Allah bless you Brother Sayf
Great video, well said. I was wondering and not keeping anything stirred up, but could you make a video explaining why BJJ is so darn expensive?? People have a right to make there money but darn BJJ is 200 dollars. Month for 12 months. Thats wayyy to expensive and to me thats not showing good integrity especially when lower income People can not afford to train.
I think you're right. I also think there might be some deliberate social engineering involved in addition to the natural economic forces you've just described. Great commentary.
Hamdullah Mujahid! Would u consider doing a video on 52 handblocks an anything u know similar to the martial art
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This happened in the UK too I said what you say but always was dismissed
This is cool, I like it, but this is all SPORT karate(fairly young martial art), what about Okinawan karate, which is obviously completely lost and forgotten(grappling with strikes...)
Study his earlier videos and watch how thoroughly he discusses Okinawa karate and other koryu that are combat effective to this day because they hold on to the old ways.
Salaam, let's not forget the late great Master Thomas LaPuppet the first "Blackman inducted into the Blackbelt hall of fame !!!
great vid.
Maestre,
As far as you know........
Is there anywhere that still practices Todo ?
I think this is the older Ryu that was practiced in Okinawa before they developed Te.
Thanks for all that you do.
Thank you
Muai Thai is the most devastating martial art
Dejohnne Lacy: Of course, until a wrestling gets one on the ground and beats him to death. The chance is standing up. There MT has a great chance.
Can you make a video on Judo and its current state
Gentrification killed traditional Karate in the U.S.
I also would add karatekas in ufc that do pure karate, machida brothers and wonderboy
"pure karate" is NO PADS, head butts, raking, ripping, joint manipulation, most things NOT legal in the UFC. However, it, at minimum is not jumping around.
People died in the 70’s studying karate. Some one died at the tong dojo and Kyokushin in Flatbush Brooklyn. The lawsuits that resulted made safety gear a must. Kaicho Tadashi Nakamura went from a savage instructor to a safety first instructor. Sensei Colefield was a heart attack.
Lannel Bishop: SOME people died studying karate. SOME. Some people died in the ghetto, but I am still glad I was raised there. In all of my years and they were many, I never heard of ONE law suit. Even with the injuries. If George Colefield had a heart attack, I doubt if it was because he was getting beat up. people DO have heart attacks.
@@TheUmmahFightCamp what I meant by saying Sensei Colefield was a heart attack, that his classes and school was very intense. I totally agree with your video and assessment. Brother people have sued ballet , gymnastics and other non combat physical culture clubs for injuries and accidents. I’m a 57 year old Black man from Crown heights Brooklyn. I love your videos. They remind me of good times.
Lannel Bishop: Ok then. And why were dojos getting sued? For several reasons, but more because the culture had changed as I said in the video. Certainly insurance and attorneys had been heard of in the 60s and 70s. No? Yes, karate was intense and you know what, most of the injures happened with MATCHED weights and ages. My point is that karate IS and should be karate, not a place where "little jimmy" gets dropped off before "susie" goes to dance class. There were many times when I did not feel like going to class as a young man (and a grown one lol). At NO TIME though, did I want or expect karate to be anything but what it was.
@@TheUmmahFightCamp Brother I’m in total agreement with you. Karate should be hard training and hard fighting to a point where it is safer for the students. When Weidman broke his leg I thought that wouldn’t have happen to me because being taught by true masters of Karate, but then I’ve seen people who moved up too soon get broken because they were chasing belt status instead of truly learning techniques. I knew those fools would get broken also. As a green belt I was allowed to spar with visiting Japanese Black belts because my defense was solid. I studied under the same masters Bruce Lee did. Those masters being Mohammed Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson and Jack Dempsey. In our time students were slap for getting techniques wrong. Today’s parents wouldn’t allow that. I have never worn shin guards. I see mma gyms wear shin guards. Our generation knew karate was a killing art. I watch the ufc since the second contest. That short Japanese Goju black belt that Royce choke out in thirty seconds was a Sempai I trained with. He competed without Kaicho’s permission. Boy did he get in trouble. When I was a boy every Black guy I knew told me every white boy knew how to wrestle and if you were to ever fight one you better pop and move pop and move. They said if they take you down it’s a wrap.
@@lannelbishop3668 LOL! true about that wrestling! The sad thing is that even today, few blacks appreciate wrestling in spite of the African arts that are actually wrestling. Like LAAM. On the issue of protective gear, I do want to say this: It is NOT the gear that is so much the issue as the "playing" that goes on with it. I let my guys wear PG and you know what I tell them? I tell them that since they have PG on they should be throwing at at least 75%. Some people think I am unrealistic and close ties cannot be maintained if buddies go 75%. I tell them to watch MMA. Those guys spar to help each other and know they cannot help their buddy if they do not hit him.
Its now just a aerobic (dancing) martial arts.
Very Good Point I was about to blame Chuck Norris and Bill Wallace and Bob Wall and Grandmaster Rhee for it being soft in America and Also the Media as well especially Black Belt Magazine in which I wish you would do sit down on that media crap because they treated black martial artist in the 70s Like Crap. there were certain people they didn't bother to interview, like stuff that you are talking about they would hate this commentary.
The great Vic Moore is an example.
He beat many top notch white champions in the late 60's to early 70's : yet .... All you hear about him are crickets.
USH!!!!
Stories makes lots of sense
Great video. I see you haven taken the gloves off.lol. karate and traditional martial arts are now frowned on , because of the water down garbage given now. I remember growing up in the 90's, and when someone said they knew karate, it was said to scare people.
When I watch Mayweather, his stance reminds of karate. Roy Jones with his powerful single punches and then moving away, reminds me also of Karate. I never practiced it, but I see it has so many elements, one can even apply to other fighting styles.
Very True! FLOYD does approach boxing like Karate. Even his side stance is NOT "traditional" boxing. Great point. ROY also. I never caught that, but you are right on point! Great observation.
Haha I like how you put the smack down on these fake Karate guys on youtube
Also Joey Diaz the comedian use to talk about how serious Karate use to be. Not sure if he was in the Bronx or another part in Manhattan but he said before he moved to Jersey Karate schools were very hardcore
nmva: LOL! I will check it out.