THIS ENGINE SWAP WAS INSANEIER! 459cc INSTALL!!!
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2023
- What's up Subscribers. We get a bunch of comments on our 420CC video asking for more. How did you do this. How did you do that. Todays the lucky day. Cart Performance is going to take you along the journey of uninstalling and reinstalling the harbor freight 459cc engine. We do a deep dive in all the things required to install as well as some ride alongs after its all set and done.
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I've watched 100s of these videos because o bought the 420 to put on and yours was by far the best.. Everyone else is it's so simple blah blah blah you actually showed how hard it is
Thank you for the feedback. We hope this helps anyone looking to do this swap. If you use all the correct parts the install is not that bad. It will take you a little bit of time as you can tell. We appreciate the watch and comment. We have some more tips and tricks coming on the motors as far as tuning and break ins.
@@CartPerformance where r u guys located? And who did u say you ordered from vegas carts?
@@justnature1900 we are located in chesterfield twp, MI. Yes you can get the kit from vegas carts.
Best tutorial I have seen. Great explanations and video. Thank you.
Thanx for sharing fella's.
You make having a mustache look like a lot of fun.
I just found this channel and i loved the video i liked and subbed.great content guys💯
Excellent video. One of the best I’ve seen. I would have enjoyed seeing the final wiring and how you bolted up the original starter generator. Also, if you decide to swap carbs, valve springs and stronger push rods an updated video including some specs on those items and any other mods would be cool too. Once again outstanding video. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you glad you enjoyed the video. We appreciate the watch and comment! Defiantly will get a video up on the wiring and stater generator option with install.
@@CartPerformancesoy de Panamá, y necesito ayuda.. Tienen instagram ❓tengo un club cart
Just found the channel. This video gives me hope. I have a 1997 yamaha G14 gas cart, I love it because it gets me down the road to the store and pharmacy but it seems to struggle a ;little on the road hills between. This looks like an affordable solution and will let me get many more years use out of my cart. Looking forward to checking out more of your videos . Hope you get a yamaha in soon.
These motors in a yamaha rip. We had one going 30 mph with the governor still working.
Thanks for this clip, I am considering such a conversion to use a cart to pull a pull behind grass cutter I designed
Would have zero issues handling that. Motor has plenty or torque.
great video thank you
Almost 20 years ago we used a yamaha 433 reed valve snowmobile engine on a 3 wheel golf cart. Thing was a hoot.
Lots of power and fun!
We put a 350 warrior engine in a 1950something Harley Davidson 3 wheel golf cart,, talk about a hand full,, found out quick those tires needed balanced,, because at about 45mph it shook bad,, after replacing with some Hoosier racing tires n getting balanced,, it topped out about 62mph
30 year European mechanic / shop owner here, now long retired.
Well done! This was an informative video, so many aren’t.
Im about to start a cart project with one of my grandsons. He’s 10, and chomping at the bit to start tearing down the project cart.😎
The cart is currently a 48v that I/we want to re-power with a 459.
Has your shop preformed such magic? Any videos describing such insanity?
I’m undecided between keeping the rear axle, or installing a completely new driveline.
I want to keep the $s invested to the minimum, but at the same time, I’ve never built junk.
As I’m retired, I no longer have lifts, or machining capabilities. But I of course have a floor jack and stands. We’re also discussing stretching the cart. He wants to learn how to weld, so I can’t think of a better project for him than to power up an old tired cart!
So we would really appreciate any input someone like yourself with lots of cart experience, can offer.
Thanks!
The cool Grand Pop😎,
Bart
Grand Pop Bart,
Appreciate the watch and feedback. We have had several conversations on this subject. The best way to take a electric cart converting to gas with reverse. Now the converting to gas with no reverse is relatively easy. Basically just need to extend the splines and put keyed secondary pully on and ride. The reverse part is a little harder. In our conversations we have discussed gear boxes for go karts. something like these. ( link at the bottom) However we have not done one yet to fully tell you how much work it entails. I have put another link near the bottom of electric carts converted to gas for some ideas. I hope this helps....
www.google.com/search?q=go+kart+reverse+gearbox&oq=go+cart+revers&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqCQgBEAAYChiABDIGCAAQRRg5MgkIARAAGAoYgAQyCQgCEAAYChiABDIJCAMQABgKGIAEMgkIBBAAGAoYgAQyCQgFEAAYChiABDIJCAYQABgKGIAEMgkIBxAAGAoYgAQyCQgIEAAYChiABDIJCAkQABgKGIAE0gEKMjQwMTRqMGoxNagCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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I think the engine spacer u put on the top u got with the kit goes where u made the space r
Great video! you guys make it look super easy, but to be safe im still gonna bring mine to you. I have an old EZ Go that I have wanted to do this to for some time now.
Thanks! Contact us anytime we will get you taken care of! Bmcgolfcarts@gmail.com
@@CartPerformance I sure will! used to live around the corner from you now we are in Algonac. So a short drive from you.
@@jokerz4fun Right on you know where we are then!
Your video convinced me to go with the 459 predator, bought it Thursday. Wasn't planning on buying the kit, just a 780 clutch, mounting plate and fabricate what ever else I'll need but have another question. The 89 club car used a 1 inch wide drive belt. The 780 drive clutch uses 1 3/16 wide belt. I have not been able to find a 780 for a 1 inch belt. My secondary clutch looks good and I don't want to replace it if I don't have to. Are you using a 1 inch belt? If so where can I find that clutch? Thanks.
Awesome build! You should share this on Buggies Gone Wild golf cart forum! NICE work!
Thanks! Feel free to link us in there.
29:22 - 29:43 a Great alignment Technic, what would be TRICK is to have a band produced with the exact width of the base of each pulley where there could be NO variation between the two pulleys
"pulse, for the fuel pump." I turned it into a drinking game, lol.
I have an 87 DS that was electric. The shaft from diff comes out facing right or passenger side, the 459 drive shaft also comes out the right side i see. Will i need to do a jackshaft to convertor since it was an elec diff???
You got my sub at 31:59 goodentightin 😂😂😂 🇩🇪
This is awesome and seemed fairly easy to understand. I have an old 1983 melex 512g. Do you think it would be a comparable job?
It would require a little bit more work. Vegas carts currently does not have a kit for that cart. So you would have to do the install on your own.
Where did you get the honda choke assembly?
Build a box around the cvt so it doesn't slip as much
Was the lift on the cart required to fit the motor? Loved the vid boys heck of a job
Lift is not required to make this engine swap.
Thank you for the watch we appreciate it!
You got me on the firet guilt trip! So im not a total a$$h@le! But youre right; thats a lot of great information for free you guys gave. Take them to an abandoned street and do a sideby side shoot out! 😂 or try those cheap amazon diesel motors and see if itll work for a farm. Whatever you guys do or update ill be watching. Thanks for taking the time to do all this work and document it.
We did remind a few times in the video 😃. We appreciate the watch and subscribe. Every little bit helps us continue to provide content. We do have some video testing out in the wild 420 vs the 459. Diesel motor could come in the future. But the 459 is pretty impressive so far. Definitely be workable on a farm.
Where can I get the spring-loaded choke bracket?
Can ya do this on a Yamaha? I just pulled the engine out because it’s blown but the clutch is on the opposite side
Hello love your videos and content I’m buying the 450cc just wondering what kit you ordered from Las Vegas carts
yes we did use the vegas carts kit for this install.
I wish you were closer to Indiana. I’d pay you to put one in my Carryall.
We are not that far away only a few hours.
Hopefully you put out how to install starter generator . how do i find the choke lever.
Starter generator is going to take a little modification with the exhaust. We looked at this recently and will be something we look to work on in our slower part of the season. For the choke lever or anything else you need you can email me and i will link you to what all you will need. bmcgolfcarts@gmail.com
I would take the old motor.
I thought you were doing a conversion that’s just an engine swap boring but hey, you got the video👍 wrap your head around this polar-kart it’s the molding and melting of a Polaris 250 two-stroke with it easy go golf cart it does about 65 has 10 inches of ground clearance and all the wheel travel of a sport bike
Awesome idea! Would love to see some videos of it when you are done.
Love it lol😄🤣
Thanks for the watch!
You might have to install a seatbelt and roll bar too😅
For sure it needs it😊
Club car DS with a predator 459 swap question. When the forward/reverse switch changes polarity from forward to reverse using the original starter/generator will the 459’s pressurized oil system prevent the engine from properly running in reverse? If it will run in reverse will the engine be properly lubricated? Thanks
The starter/generator should not change direction when switching from forward to reverse. Only thing that should be happening is the transaxle shifting forward to reverse or reverse to forward. Engine should always run in the direction it is intended to run. Which in the 459’s case is counterclockwise. You can change direction of rotation on the starter/generator clockwise or counterclockwise.
Thanks for the reply. I see how this all works now. The things I think about when I should be asleep.
Next do one with the 670cc :)
We have 2 videos of the 670. ua-cam.com/video/U3JiGNF-vxc/v-deo.html
Hi guys, very good video on the swap. Just wondering it was like $900 for the engine mount kit. If Im looking at that right? I know the motor is 500. Thanks.
That is correct
Maybe I missed it did you take the governor off? Great video
We did not take it off. But there is a way you can bypass it. We will have that video coming out shortly. If you email me at bmcgolfcarts@gmail.com i can send you pics of how to bypass.
If you are using the starter from the engine instead of the gen/starter, how do you get the starter to shut off once the engine starts using the gas pedal? Thanks
You need a relay to send ground to the coil.
Can you put a starter in it or no? Have to pull start all the time? Great vid
Comes with electric start on the motor.
Those fuel lines just a little to close to the exhaust dont you think? 🤔
Nice video no clamps on the fuel filter?
Thanks! Video may of not shown the clamps going on but they are on there.
Hi, I have a kart 1973 Harley Davidson with 250 cc original but the engine is no more good and no clutch for that. For the reverse the engine turn reverse there is a handle on the floor between seat, to change it what would happen if I install a snowmobile engine and have a reverse. I have to push on the trottle to turn on the motor after it forwards.
Depends on what motor you are installing. Old engines were able to run forward and backwards due to ignition and port timing being nearly symmetrical around TDC. This allowed a engine to run clockwise or counterclockwise. The old carts did not have a gearbox. They used the starter generator and switch polarity to make the engine run in reverse. Giving you a reverse without using a gear box. I have read that newer snowmobile engines us the same method today to get reverse.
Great swap!
How would you swap a 459 into a Yamaha since the primary and secondary are on the other side? Seriously considering
We just got done with a yamaha install. When installing the motor the head of the engine will go towards the rear end. Making the clutch on the same a side. Install was fairly simple depending on what year yamaha cart you have.
Just picked up a 1980 Club Car (gas) with no engine, plan on using 420 predator and comet clutch, did similar swap on Yamaha G3 a couple of years ago with no reverse, works great. The pullies on the Yamaha are on the drivers side, on the Club Car they are on passengers side. My question is about engine rotation, looks like yours runs counter clockwise. I am guessing it makes no difference on the Club Car as it has a forward and reverse but is the gear ratio the same. In other words it will run in reverse just as fast as it does going forward?
The 1984-91 club car ds should of had a Kawasaki kf82 engine from factory. That engine was a counterclockwise rotating engine. Which will have the correct rear end to go forward and reverse with a new motor. Forward would stay forward and Reverse will be reverse. Should be the same set up as the cart in this video.
Around 1996-97 club car changed the rotation of the engine to a clockwise engine. These engines stayed in the carts until around 2014. If you have a cart that is 96-2014 the harbor freight engine runs backwards which would turn you reverse into forward and forward into reverse. Reverse is a lower gear and top speed in those year carts are about 12-15 mph.
Thanks, I am pretty sure this one had the
kawasaki engine, I will try to run the serial number to make sure.@@CartPerformance
Mine is an 89, thanks.@@CartPerformance
I’ve heard there’s an oil pickup that won’t work in reverse as well as in forward. Is there any truth to this? I have a 99 club car. Picked up a 420 for a swap.
Just wondering if you guys did any kind of break in on the 459? I have read everything for just put in and go to run 10 minutes change oil and run 1:30 at idle then 1:30 at half, change oil…
Yes we do the break in on the engine bench before we install in the cart. It's good to change the oil a few times on new engines to get all the small metal shavings of a new engine out.
I am planning a swap with the 459, is the 459 you installed a hemi? I see vegas carts says not to use them but i see many people using them with a vegas kit on other channels.
How does the reverse work? Im swapping a 420cc predator motor in mine.
What make model and year cart?
@CartPerformance mine is a 87 columbia par car. I'm assuming I need to add a reverse gearbox but not sure
Where did you get the part for the carburetor to run the fuel pump
Send me a email bmcgolfcarts@gmail.com
What did you do for charging the battery?
Engine will charge 3 amps when running. We were not running many accessories this should work fine for us. There is a bracket to keep the original starter generator. I would recommend this if you plan to run accessories.
where do I get the bracket for header pipe/throttle cable?
send me a email. bmcgolfcarts@gmail.com we can get them to you.
How do we connect you guys if i wantes to do a swap
Would the rear end be spinning in reverse and is that ok and would the stock gear box still work looking to do this in my 1988 club car
If you have a true 1988 club car this is a perfect swap. 1988 club car engines were clockwise rotation so this would not be running in reverse.
@@CartPerformance the predator 420 I bought was counter clock wise rotation and I believe the cart was to
@@DeansSmallEngines Im sorry yes the 1988 is counter clockwise. 1997-2014 club car had clockwise rotation engines.
@@CartPerformance ok thanks so much and will the original transmission F-N-R work?
Do you have to use the starter generator?
You do not. These engines are electric and pull start.
What clutch are you usuing on this beast
We are using the clutch that comes in the vegas carts kit.
Where are you guys located? I have a cart with a predator 420 and won’t go past 12 miles an hour. Would be nice if you guys give me some idea on how to correct this is there a way I can send you a video or pictures of the set up? I did not build it out. I bought it this way.
We are in chesterfield Mi
I subbed because I'm not a Deeeek 😂😂😂
Appreciate it!
What year? Was it a clockwise and You installed counterclockwise?
Year of the cart was 89. Was a counterclockwise rotation.
How About A Diesel Swap,Please!!
Would love to. Just need to find the right motor for the right price!
What are you going to do to charge the battery? I sometimes drive after dark.
motor puts out 3amp. You can also put on a alternator.
Can you send me the full list of parts so I know what to buy
please email me at bmcgolfcarts@gmail.com
Emailed
@@wayneprice1001 got it.
How did you keep the reverse working
Used the original transaxle that come on the cart. This was a gas cart to start with.
@@CartPerformance I have a Yamaha gas powered. I wanna throw a Duromax 440 in there. Will I have reverse? Jn3 motor
Hey i put the same thing in my ezgo marathon 93 wit the 459 kit its all in starts up but i cant get the engine to idle i thinks its the carb but not aure what to so. Help please
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Thanks hope this works ill let u guys kno
how many denaro for the kit and engine to do this swap?
roughly $1400
Ever swapped an electric Taylor Dunn utility cart to Predator gas?
We have not. I am sure it's doable with some fabrication work.
DON'T like having to remove all that stuff from a NEW engine, WHY wasn't the conversion done as a bolt in swap?? BUT 12:19 is where you can connect your propane conversion hose
After watching all his work, and modification. Think I would've rebuilt; valve job and new rings for the old Kawasaki. Wondering, was HF engine dimensions so far off? What was total cost if everything?😊
Ok think you I want do me one thinks
Let us know if you need any help with parts.
Can you put a starter on them?
they come with electric start
where can we hind the parts you used?
send me a email with what you need. bmcgolfcarts@gmail.com
how did you do to convert this car to a gasly car
Which is better…. 459 cc or the v twin 670?
Depends you want a full hot rod or a all around good motor. The 670cc is the full hotrod to me. The 459 suits the all around golf cart user with plenty of power.
What about a diesel swapped cart
have seen them done and they are sweet. Maybe one day if the right engine comes our way.
Needs a locker in the rear
Link doesn’t work do you have a link to this kit
Email me bmcgolfcarts@gmail.com
What year is that cart?? I have a 91 Club Car and was wondering about shaft rotation
You should have a counterclockwise rotation.
@@CartPerformance I keep reading that its counterclockwise engine till 97.
My Predator 420 will work fine in my 91 club car??
@@jimelk77 That is correct. I'm sorry i edited my post. I did that twice yesterday.....
@@CartPerformance will the stock clutch fit on my predator engine?
Where you guys located.
Chesterfield Michigan
Is there no reverse?
Reverse is still fully functional
Do you all sale theses with all the same set up?
We usually build them any way the customer wants.
@@CartPerformance where can one go online to setup the way they want and purchase?
@@BEALLC Send me a email at bmcgolfcarts@gmail.com with your contact information.
I felt shame at 31:06 😢
You hit the button though so thanks!
do these guys all talk like this or are the mimicking the little fella lol
What was wrong with old engine???
old engine was locked up. It was not worth rebuilding with cost of parts. The 459 complete engine was the same cost as the crank for the old engine if you can find one. This was our best option cost wise for this cart and budget we had.
Where are you out of I have ezgo with Yamaha in it needs new motor with lift kit
Chesterfield MI
Whats wrong with the old motor.
Blown up and not worth the cost of a rebuild. It's a parts motor for us now.
What about the starter , generator ? Pull start all the time? I don't like that..
takes some modification but you can get a starter generator on there if you would like. They have electric start and that is how this one was set up. Pull cord for backup if needed.
OK. Let put the fuel line on top of the cylinder head next to the spark plug. Don't think you should do that and you all know why.
Laterally how it comes from factory.....
Guess I'm a dick! not really I subbed ya!!! lol
Appreciated Thanks!
Insaneier??? 😂😂😂😂😂
couldn't resist to click that video when you seen insaneier!!!!
Yall looks don’t match the accent 😂😂😂
I didn't find anything
" Useful " .
These guys aren’t very bright. It’s a new engine, it needs to be worn in and the oil changed after the “ three hour break in” this is just stupid
I couldn't watch it your constant camera movement and speeding up slowing down instant replay fast forward camera "techniques" made me puke about 10 mins into it