Sam Burgess was unfairly scapegoated in Union. He was not the issue, he was still learning 3 different positions in a new sport compared to the people he was playing with. I thought overrall he had a positive performance for England and did well
he was actually much better in the back row, his best period was playing 6 for Bath, England should ofused him there where he could get as much ball and contact time as possible
@@henrygada4066 is was bizarre that Lancaster put him in at 12 when he had barely played there. Personally I think he was a 12, but completely respect your opinion.
He was great at Union, just got made a scapegoat for Lancasters England being so poor. He snuffed out Wales’s Roberts, a British Lions Centre, and was all over him. England were winning the game when Burgess was subbed then Robert’s came alive and won the game for Wales.
Its a shame that there was such a disconnect between Bath and England using him at 6, 12 and 13. If he couldve had a consistent position maybe he couldve excelled.
Such a shame everything that happened. Tried to rush him through to be Englands SBW after his amazing Rabbitohs season. He looked great at 6 for Bath that season, didnt need to be played at 12 and he also needed to play Rugby Union sooner. But it wasn't Burgess, the whole England team were strangely off that year after a promising six nations. The pack were consistently out-scrummed that year, England were never good at the breakdown under Lancaster, and key centres like Joseph were out injured. They got found out against Oz by Pocock at the breakdown and being out-scrummed, which was their main weapon againat Australia. With that, they had nothing. Burgess didnt lose that game, the forwards did
A scapegoat if ever there was one. That campaign/camp sounded toxic, and the moaning and begrudging of Burgess' inclusion from some pundits/journalists, notably it being deemed that he'd "taken" Burrell's place - even though it could be argued Barrett was the weakest link in the midfield. Burgess also containing Jaime Roberts in that crucial Wales group match, only to be taken off and England to lose it towards the end. Just a mess of a home WC.
That RWC was doomed and something was rotten in the camp as evidenced by the performances. We’ll probably never know what all the issues were but Burgess was certainly scapegoated a bit. SBW having been so good probably created a fair bit of pressure on him to perform and the Bath setup at the time together with England not gelling made it even harder
Perfect example of how he was a wasted talent for England and Bath! We were given a golden ticket with him and wasted it and then used him as a scape goat for good measure.
A lot of upright tackles that would have him in trouble these days, that's nothing against him but it's also no bad thing that the game is working hard to eradicate this, you shudder to think how many players from this era are going to be in news in a few years from now like Steve Thompson is now poor bloke. Yes Burgess should have been used better by English rugby, but isn't that just the case with so many special players over the years, especially in the backs.
I reckon if Eddie had got hold of him in 2016 he would of been a great player for england, we just rushed him too quick for the world Cup and England were poor at that time, not Sam's fault
I think the man management from both bath and England with burgess was so poor. The conflicted opinion on what position he would play really didn’t give him a chance. The reality of it is he could have done a brilliant job at either 6 or 12 but playing I slightly different ways. That combined with only having one season run up before the World Cup to learn the game didn’t set him up well. But the skill set was there
Of course he would have been great at Union, as he was at League, but he was shoehorned into the 12 position while half cooked at club level then carried the can for England's group stage exit in 2015. Pretty shameful really. Makes me wonder if there was Union League thing going on, but his club coach was Mike Ford.
I don't get the hate he received, he did a solid job in a position he was still.learning. if he stayed at 6 I think we could've seen a challenge to Richard hills title as England's greatest blindside
All those tackles now he’d be sent off in 40 seconds
Sam Burgess was unfairly scapegoated in Union. He was not the issue, he was still learning 3 different positions in a new sport compared to the people he was playing with. I thought overrall he had a positive performance for England and did well
He gave it a bloody good go. Can’t be easy switching codes by any stretch!
I still believe that if he’d had maybe one year longer and Bath had played him at 12 regularly, he could have been great in union.
he was actually much better in the back row, his best period was playing 6 for Bath, England should ofused him there where he could get as much ball and contact time as possible
@@henrygada4066 is was bizarre that Lancaster put him in at 12 when he had barely played there. Personally I think he was a 12, but completely respect your opinion.
Yes he would have been a monster at No 8
Not sure sticking around would have fit in with his personality
He was great at Union, just got made a scapegoat for Lancasters England being so poor. He snuffed out Wales’s Roberts, a British Lions Centre, and was all over him. England were winning the game when Burgess was subbed then Robert’s came alive and won the game for Wales.
Its a shame that there was such a disconnect between Bath and England using him at 6, 12 and 13.
If he couldve had a consistent position maybe he couldve excelled.
Yeah he should have been a 6, he was superb in the back row in the games he played
Such a shame everything that happened. Tried to rush him through to be Englands SBW after his amazing Rabbitohs season. He looked great at 6 for Bath that season, didnt need to be played at 12 and he also needed to play Rugby Union sooner.
But it wasn't Burgess, the whole England team were strangely off that year after a promising six nations. The pack were consistently out-scrummed that year, England were never good at the breakdown under Lancaster, and key centres like Joseph were out injured. They got found out against Oz by Pocock at the breakdown and being out-scrummed, which was their main weapon againat Australia. With that, they had nothing. Burgess didnt lose that game, the forwards did
A scapegoat if ever there was one. That campaign/camp sounded toxic, and the moaning and begrudging of Burgess' inclusion from some pundits/journalists, notably it being deemed that he'd "taken" Burrell's place - even though it could be argued Barrett was the weakest link in the midfield. Burgess also containing Jaime Roberts in that crucial Wales group match, only to be taken off and England to lose it towards the end. Just a mess of a home WC.
That RWC was doomed and something was rotten in the camp as evidenced by the performances. We’ll probably never know what all the issues were but Burgess was certainly scapegoated a bit. SBW having been so good probably created a fair bit of pressure on him to perform and the Bath setup at the time together with England not gelling made it even harder
Pretty decent performance
Perfect example of how he was a wasted talent for England and Bath! We were given a golden ticket with him and wasted it and then used him as a scape goat for good measure.
Jamie Roberts changed his underpants 12 times in the game against England and when Burgess went off ran rampant.
A lot of upright tackles that would have him in trouble these days, that's nothing against him but it's also no bad thing that the game is working hard to eradicate this, you shudder to think how many players from this era are going to be in news in a few years from now like Steve Thompson is now poor bloke. Yes Burgess should have been used better by English rugby, but isn't that just the case with so many special players over the years, especially in the backs.
He's great player
If Sam Burgess stays on for the whole of the Wales game, England win. He had North and Roberts in his pocket.
I reckon if Eddie had got hold of him in 2016 he would of been a great player for england, we just rushed him too quick for the world Cup and England were poor at that time, not Sam's fault
😢It's a shame what a telent he just likes a good drama he was brilliant 😊
Should've played him at 6 or 8, with a license to roam in the midfield as needed
As wrong as Ford was.
Do you post super rugby debuts?
No just Tests
I think the man management from both bath and England with burgess was so poor. The conflicted opinion on what position he would play really didn’t give him a chance. The reality of it is he could have done a brilliant job at either 6 or 12 but playing I slightly different ways. That combined with only having one season run up before the World Cup to learn the game didn’t set him up well. But the skill set was there
At 2.41 what did he get the yellow for?
He tries to tackle the 9 from an offside position (you need to go back 10 meters before making a tackle)
Disgraceful the way union treats its players
Of course he would have been great at Union, as he was at League, but he was shoehorned into the 12 position while half cooked at club level then carried the can for England's group stage exit in 2015.
Pretty shameful really. Makes me wonder if there was Union League thing going on, but his club coach was Mike Ford.
I don't get the hate he received, he did a solid job in a position he was still.learning. if he stayed at 6 I think we could've seen a challenge to Richard hills title as England's greatest blindside
should have been a back row all action no.8. centre was a terrible decision.
Sam was to rugby union
What the Titan was to pleasure cruising 😂😂
My word that tackle at 1.40 would be such a clear and obvious red card in today's game. No wrap, huge force, direct to the head. Ouch!
It wasn't direct to the head, stop crying
@@tomw4322 Not crying - couldn't care less. Just interesting to see how far tackle laws have come in relatively short time. Also, pause at 2.11 👍
Chest to shoulder. Didn't see head contact at 2:11
If it was direct contact to the head, how do you explain the French player’s head whiplashing forward?
You are blind and must be one of these fools policing the tackle in todays game. It’s gone soft because of opinions like this. That was a great hit.
Should of played back row probably 6 all the time he would of been orsom
Wasted opportunity. He could have been incredible in union.
What a waste of talent. Wasted by the utter incompetence of thr RFU. Could have been a Union great handled properly. Some player anyway.