The Tim Bobbin Delph Incident (1887) | Padiham | Burnley
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
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The Tim Bobbin delph was a large disused quarry that was situated only yards away from the Tim Bobbin public house, which itself was located alongside Padiham Road. Triangular in shape, it contained water that was reportedly 150ft long and up to 90ft deep but in the days leading up to Boxing Day, a severe frost had covered the water with a thin layer of ice.
And for two young boys, this was too tempting an opportunity to miss!
Just after four o’ clock in the afternoon, Frank Hartley and his friend, Thomas Hewitson - both twelve years old, had ventured into the quarry, and, with boys being boys, both were eager to slide onto the ice.
Hewitson would be the first to take the lead, stepping out onto the ice closest to the water’s edge. Anxiously he slowly made his way further along, and happy it would be able to take his weight, his over-confidence would quickly evaporate as he began to jump to test the strength of the ice.
Without any warning, the ice suddenly gave way, plunging Hewitson into the freezing cold water.
Hartley, after seeing his friend disappear below the surface of the ice quickly went to his rescue. Unfortunately, this would also prove to be a mistake as he himself would end up in the water.
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Hi there. I'm relatively new to this channel and have just watched this episode...so very sad. My father died 63 years ago, when I was 2, trying to save 2 men who were drowning in the dangerous surf in Sorrento Australia. His friend, who was a very strong swimmer and my father, were in a milkbar, when a woman ran into the shop screaming for help for her husband and brother in law, who were drowning in the surf. They ran down to the beach and into the water. My father was not a very strong swimmer at all and after a futile attempt to save the two men who had disappeared in the surf, my father was caught in an undertow. When the life savers arrived with their surfboards, there were several attempts made to rescue my father as his friend had managed to make it back to shore, but when they were finally able to reach my father it was too late. When they brought him back to the shore, ambulance officers worked on him for 2 hours but it was too late. It was later reported that it was a miracle the tradgedy had only taken 3 lives, as several of the life savers themselves also had to be rescued. I know my father was a hero but having to grow up without ever knowing him or having him in my life, is something I have and never will, get over.
Omg Helen we can only imagine having to live with yes knowing your dad was a definite hero trying to save lives, but we also not having him in your life. Thanks for sharing with us all. From Vickie & Chris
The concrete, bricks and iron work are what remains of Hapton Valley Colliery, a huge drift mine that connects to other local mines, such as Gannow and Barkley Hills. A lot of the water in the area spring from the mine.
Many thanks for the update. It's amazing how, after filming this, we found quite a bit online on the old colliery and the workings. As well as old photos.
Thanks Chris and Vicky for another sad story 😢 going back many years. Must have been terrible to drown under ice, freezing 😨 thanks for sharing. 👍👍
Very sad story..I lost my son to drowning...him and he's Mates jumping off Como rail bridge into the Georges River that runs I Ti botany Bay. He hit the water and he didn't come up he was 23. It was 2019..connor egan
Omg I am so sorry to hear this. Thoughts with you xx
Only found your channel this last week - I am hooked! Binge watching in order from the beginning!
I was struck with the Vicar's comment at the funeral I do not hear it as he was condemning the boys - I heard it as trying to reconcile the loss of the five brave souls who sacrificed themselves for others - whilst there are wicked/evil souls in the world who live.
Many thanks Wendy. We try our best, sometimes we will get things wrong and if we do, all we ask is that people rectify it for us but in the right way. We do research as much as possible before going out to film, but there will always be people out there with perhaps more info on the stories. We have loads more to come!
A very interesting and tragic story. So sad to hear those 5 men who lost their lives trying to save the 2 boys Heroic. At least they aren't forgotten with videos like this. Great work mate!
Cheers pal. I don't think you would get people doing what they did back then in today's society. We all think just about ourselves. But yeah, definately a sad story indeed.
@@DaysofHorror Not many would sacrifice themselves for others. Although there was that traguc story of recent times about a guy down in London jumping in to a river to save a woman who lost his life. But agree, today many people wouldn't!
Great video, very informative. Such a sad tragedy.
If you go down Ighten hill Park Lane to the rear of where the quarry was you can see Pemberthy Cottage? Suffering from subsidence from the quarry infill. My late father born in 1901 lived in the area.
Hi Neil, thanks for watching 😀 I'm not too clued up on Padiham and it's surrounding areas but it's one place we can easily revisit in future videos as we only live 20 mins away.
If there was ever a definition of a hero, those five men define it. What a sad end for the families to deal with. They must of understood the risks as each family member went under the water yet they continued to help. Incredible bravery. The Vicar would have had direct contact with the families and i am sure he would have his faith tested and may explain his sermon. He was saying how he felt and being honest how he saw things. I hope those two boys went on to live fruitful and positive lives. Well presented guys.
great vid again Chris. By the river your looking at remains from Hapton Valley. Wire rope from the pit...Altham bricks were dumped there from Altham collieries
Ahhh that makes sense. Just had a look at a map from 1888 and Hapton Valley Colliery is bang on the spot! Thanks for that info as it makes it all the more interesting :-)
Really great presentation. I have read about this previously in a short book about Gruesome tales from Burnleys past (can't remember the name of the book) but interesting to actually see Grave and Map overlay as I was brought up in the Tim Bobbin Area and know the Pub well.
Many thanks for that! I think the story has been written in a few books over the years. I think there is more in the old newspapers though that tell a truly heroic and yet sad story in more detail. What those men did back in the day was nothing short of heroic in my opinion 👍
Quarry Bank street is behind the Tim Bobbin so it's not too difficult to determine the whereabouts of the scene of the incident. It would have helped if you had marked the Tim Bobbin on the map you posted. This would further clarify the exact position of the reservoir.
great video, though definitely a tragic tale. glad you mentioned the quarry has gone as I might have gone to look for it.
Yeah, I've seen a couple of UA-cam videos of the same story but both have visited the wrong quarry. The one in this story most certainly disappeared and replaced with housing directly behind the pub. The other quarry is around 3/4 mile further ahead which people seem to think is where it took place.
Tragic Chris…absolutely fascinating to watch though 👍
Cheers for that. And yeah, true heroes in every sense of the word I think. As for the two boys, both grew up to lead healthy, normal lives. From what I 'think' I've found, one married and had kids. The other, not too sure of.
The river bit you got to and asked the questions about are Hapton Valley pit related.
Edit, it was behind what is the crematorium now. The crem and cemetery are linked at the bottom and below that is hapton valley. Houses built on the former area a bit further south behind the tree line.
I'm thinking of investigating that area some more in the coming weeks. I reckon there will be tons of history to find if we look hard enough 👍
@@DaysofHorror well there’s the Hapton Valley pit collapse. Also, linked to that area is the Molly Wood Lane/Molly Brook murder as the stream that goes through the bottom of the crematorium is greenbrook. It goes into a culvert tunnel under the road, motorway, railway, canal and mollybrook lane and reappears in a field above the lodges for what used to be the Dye works. In fact, that same stream flows past to the rear of Brook Row former location where ANOTHER of your videos took place.
Ive just taken a look into the Bertha Button story and its another tragic tale similar to that of Richard Massey! Definately one Im going to be writing up.
What a waste of life - little did any of them know it was their last day on earth- 😥 well done folks as usual a blinder
Very brave men trying to save two children. The boys didn’t do anything malicious but I bet they felt guilt and sorrow for the rest of their lives. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Rip 🙏
I agree with you that the message by the preacher was not proper. I know there are deep feelings of grief, but to say that “bad” people should just go away, are loved by our Lord just as much as “good” people💔
I'm terrified of water. Sadly, I've passed that on to my son.
I'm not someone who likes water truth be told. Same with heights. But we have found many similar tales to this one, and one that took place very close to the Tim Bobbin quarry. It's a story we were going to cover just before Xmas but it never materialised. But it's one we can easily go back to.
@@DaysofHorror That will be good 👍
A tragic story. Enjoyed the video though. This reminds me of an incident that I did some research into quite a few years ago. I was walking through the churchyard at Thurnham near Lancaster not far off the canal when i saw a gravestone with the names of 3 children inscribed on it. They were aged 11,9, and 8 all from the same family and it said they had all been drowned. It was only quite recently that I found a report in the newspaper archives giving details. Apparently they'd been playing on the ice on the canal at Galgate and I assume the ice broke, but all three were drowned. Whether they died together or whether it was a vain attempt to save their siblings we'll never know because there were no witnesses, just a shawl floating on the canal. What the parents went through is hard to imagine but again a very tragic story. I can give you further details if you want to research it yourself at any time.
Thats another tragic example of lives lost back in the day from kids just having innocent fun. We have come across a couple more just like it but the one you mention sounds like a very interesting story to cover, plus its somewhere different for us to look into possibly visiting, so yes, if you have more info I'd definately look into this one.
@@DaysofHorror The tragedy happened on the 18th January 1879 at Galgate. It was reported in the Lancaster Gazette on the 22nd January. The three victims were Eleanor, Isabella and Joseph Bagot and they're buried at St. Thomas and St. Elizabeth Church, Thurnham. If you're ever up that way it might be worth a quick visit.
@@Lancastrian501 I'll spend some time this weekend digging up some info on that 👍 And yeah, if anything is still around today from the time of the tragedy, I'll defo travel on over. I'll give you a shout out too soon as I'm recording the story 😃
Could the metal structure have perhaps been a bridge of some sorts?
I'm not sure. I love finding these little oddities though when out doing the videos. This is why I usually say to people to keep looking around when going for walks as there is so much history right under our feet!
Today, people would be pulling out their phones and film the tragedy as the boys drowned
It's bizarre how we as a society has changed over the years. As you say, this would be filmed and streamed over the interest whilst rescue mission was ongoing.
I know..😢
They'll jump in for a dog though lol
I think you're maybe not being fair with saying people wouldn't do that today. People will put themselves at risk as long as they'll be no legal repercussions afterwards. I think we get that bad impression from videos of violent attacks and street crime where people worry of being prosecuted as a defender.
In Islam we would consider those men martyrs and believe that they would have a special place in Heaven. The speech of the reverend is absolutely uncalled for. It is almost asking for the two lads to victimized because of their accident. What a shame that such a heartless condemnation could have been delivered by an auspicious member of society. Those lads would naturally be feeling guilty about this incident for the rest of their lives. It was not necessary for the reverend to turn the local population against them and make them the pariah in society. Shame.
I was a little concerned when I saw you handling those rusty metal objects. Dont forget about tetanus. Just a little scrape and you could also be another tragic victim. If you are often in a place where rusty metal is rather get a tetanus inoculation to protect yourself.
Thanks for your comments and yes I do think they would have carried th guilt for along time.
Noted on rusty objects, we do carry antibacterial gel which we use regular just don't show on camera, but thanks for your concern 😉
open cast mining took place roun there
Hapton Valley Collierie
Hi Ronnie, a few people came by and mentioned the old Colliery in Hapton. Its got some pretty interesting history by all accounts.
I enjoyed this tragic story, very brave men went to rescue two little boys and died. Does it really take 5 lives to realised it was in vain. Brave and some stupidity .
Hard to imagine pal. Really is. I mean, as they went into the water one by one, I guess it just became a situation whereas each of the men just wanted to help those already immersed in the water and it just escalated from there. There are loads of similar stories like this, maybe not in terms of how many people die in each story, but loads of people died skating on ice back in the early days.
@@DaysofHorror Any news on the two boys who escaped. Be interesting to know. Keep up the great work, really enjoy your stories.
You’re wife is walking odd does she have knee or hip issues I hope she’s getting help as it seems she’s in pain
This video is over two years old 👍 Double hip replacement since.
@@DaysofHorror double hip omg poor lady I only have found u today watched you’re vlogs I noticed as I walked funny to till knee replacement she must have being in such pain
@Luxurysddict65 Yeah, she suffered with it for a long time. The operations had to be done, and to be honest, she hasn't looked back since. Pretty much pain-free for most parts once the op.
awesome story, im a burnley lad out here in perth west ozz, miss it so, anyhow, i have a very interesting investigation for you if your interested.. kind regards..
Hi Jake and thanks for getting in touch. I'm curious now as to what you have in mind 👍😃
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Cheers for that! Daft Monkey is brilliant isn't he - become a good friend of ours these last couple of years. Thanks for subscribing as well, we started watching your videos months ago and was inspired to visit Blitz Beach because of a video you did.