I love how Nick described failing and learning, I went from running a 15.01 100 meter last month to a 13.65 100 meter last week because I failed so many times and used those mistakes to improve. Once indoor track starts up this late fall-winter, I plan on aiming for a sub-13, y'all make sure to keep me in check. And yes, I know it ain't that fast, but I'm going into 9th grade this year and I plan on greatly improving in high school.
One of the kings of "quiet" running is Evan Jager, he litteraly flies over the track and touches to it every once in a while to make us think he is like us.
Nick "The Kick" Symmonds is a great runner, but a legendary RACER. After all the science and tactics, at the end of the day you are RACING each other. It's even more primitive than "good form"; it's the will to win. Track racing is the oldest and purest sport (at least before doping).
There is a most efficient form for each person and nobody begins running with that form. As noted, each body is different so you must train and practice ideal forms to find yours. My 6th grade son has become a phenom but his first ever XC race his hands were by his waist while the more experienced runners run from the elbows. I explained this to him and his next race he tried it and said it made a big difference. We have been improving his form with almost every race. Steady head, eyes up, running tall instead of hunched over a bit etc. There's different form based on speed, too: sprinters don't run with the same form as Kipchoge. There's technique to learn and as a middle distance runner you should learn how to use both. Hope this all makes sense and is helpful.
Your foot turnover in comparison with other runners running about the same 800 times was so much faster. Did you ever figure out how many more steps you took to run 800 meters than the tall, graceful, longer stride guys? I know that they count how many steps 100 meter runners take and height/leg length seems to be the determining factor. I think alot of 5'8" to 5'10" mid distance runners would like to know as it would seem they would have to train to accommodate their height/leg length. It's not just your kick that is faster. I noticed your foot turnover is faster the whole 800.
lower turnover is generally more energy efficient from what i've noticed (180-190 is better than 200-210). When i say low it's still quite high of course due to the speed they are running at
@@stayontrack But if your legs are shorter and you match the turnover rate of a taller more long legged runner, you will have to run longer (and get there later), so you would be best served by working on speed endurance. My question was centered on how to train for speed endurance. Runners like Nick Symmonds are exciting to watch. One speed runners are... boring. Watch Brandon Miller... he is the future of the 800m and exciting to watch: ua-cam.com/video/s_eXHja-Qdk/v-deo.html
@@runforrestrun6103 I mostly watch distance running, and in distance the top guys are really short africans but they match the turnover of the taller white men and a lot of the time the tiny africans have a lower cadence and bigger stride even though they are a lot smaller. Prime examples of this are augustine choge, kenenisa bekele and mo farah. If you compare to guys like galen rupp, chris solinski, craig mottram, their strides are just as long if not longer than the white runners even though they are way shorter
This guy just asked if running form matters and then proceeded to try to compare distance runners to sprinters. Of course sprinters will look heavy and not light. They're running at top speed!!
Nick your right you had a bit of a rough stride, amazing you performed as well as you did, I guess it shows you how important form really is. The best stride I've every seen is from Wilson Kipketer former 800m world record holder.
@@M1nistersBlackVeil He does now...but at 165 he was graceful. Check out his front-running in 2013 Diamond League...dude was a beast. Or find the workout video of him running quarters with the Brooks Beasts. You'll see what I mean.
@@andyharshman 5'10 and 165 is too heavy? 800 meter runners are not built like long distance guys. There have been a lot heavier 800 meter guys than Nick.
@@andyharshman alright, i trained this whole track season, it improved but still has very poor arm movement. Goal is to make it to states senior year but that is a little out of reach
i love this guy he looks like a really chill dude
In 8th grade I used to Naruto run every race and every practice. I'll take that shame to my grave.
legend
No shame.
I love how Nick described failing and learning,
I went from running a 15.01 100 meter last month to a 13.65 100 meter last week because I failed so many times and used those mistakes to improve.
Once indoor track starts up this late fall-winter, I plan on aiming for a sub-13, y'all make sure to keep me in check.
And yes, I know it ain't that fast, but I'm going into 9th grade this year and I plan on greatly improving in high school.
What u run now?
Bro that’s a quick improvement
Recently be getting into these. Very helpful!
In a word, yes.
One of the kings of "quiet" running is Evan Jager, he litteraly flies over the track and touches to it every once in a while to make us think he is like us.
Nick "The Kick" Symmonds is a great runner, but a legendary RACER. After all the science and tactics, at the end of the day you are RACING each other. It's even more primitive than "good form"; it's the will to win. Track racing is the oldest and purest sport (at least before doping).
There is a most efficient form for each person and nobody begins running with that form. As noted, each body is different so you must train and practice ideal forms to find yours. My 6th grade son has become a phenom but his first ever XC race his hands were by his waist while the more experienced runners run from the elbows. I explained this to him and his next race he tried it and said it made a big difference. We have been improving his form with almost every race. Steady head, eyes up, running tall instead of hunched over a bit etc. There's different form based on speed, too: sprinters don't run with the same form as Kipchoge. There's technique to learn and as a middle distance runner you should learn how to use both. Hope this all makes sense and is helpful.
Love the interviews Nick!
"I love failing" - Nick Symmonds
David Rudisha
What does he mean with quiet? That the feet don't make noise when they run or what?
I figure they mean they look really smooth and like another similar term, gliding
Your foot turnover in comparison with other runners running about the same 800 times was so much faster. Did you ever figure out how many more steps you took to run 800 meters than the tall, graceful, longer stride guys? I know that they count how many steps 100 meter runners take and height/leg length seems to be the determining factor. I think alot of 5'8" to 5'10" mid distance runners would like to know as it would seem they would have to train to accommodate their height/leg length. It's not just your kick that is faster. I noticed your foot turnover is faster the whole 800.
lower turnover is generally more energy efficient from what i've noticed (180-190 is better than 200-210). When i say low it's still quite high of course due to the speed they are running at
@@stayontrack But if your legs are shorter and you match the turnover rate of a taller more long legged runner, you will have to run longer (and get there later), so you would be best served by working on speed endurance. My question was centered on how to train for speed endurance. Runners like Nick Symmonds are exciting to watch. One speed runners are... boring.
Watch Brandon Miller... he is the future of the 800m and exciting to watch:
ua-cam.com/video/s_eXHja-Qdk/v-deo.html
@@runforrestrun6103 I mostly watch distance running, and in distance the top guys are really short africans but they match the turnover of the taller white men and a lot of the time the tiny africans have a lower cadence and bigger stride even though they are a lot smaller. Prime examples of this are augustine choge, kenenisa bekele and mo farah. If you compare to guys like galen rupp, chris solinski, craig mottram, their strides are just as long if not longer than the white runners even though they are way shorter
I mean all the super elite distance runners are graceful and have super good form so yea
Taking time out from Tenacious D to ask a question, nice. 😜
This guy just asked if running form matters and then proceeded to try to compare distance runners to sprinters. Of course sprinters will look heavy and not light. They're running at top speed!!
bolt doesn't even look that heavy compared to other guys, he's usually staying pretty relaxed flowing with his bigger stride
Look at Terrance laird and Mathew boling, huge difference in stride
Random question :
Does lifting require a certain age? Or can it be done by anyone?
Cool.
Nick: Have you seen this college freshman, Brandon Miller, just run a 1:45 800 meter?
ua-cam.com/video/s_eXHja-Qdk/v-deo.html
Nick your right you had a bit of a rough stride, amazing you performed as well as you did, I guess it shows you how important form really is. The best stride I've every seen is from Wilson Kipketer former 800m world record holder.
Dude, at your lightest and fastest version, you weren't a bison at all...i thought you looked great...2007-2013
It wasn’t so much about his weight but how he runs he runs like he’s heavy
@@M1nistersBlackVeil He does now...but at 165 he was graceful. Check out his front-running in 2013 Diamond League...dude was a beast. Or find the workout video of him running quarters with the Brooks Beasts. You'll see what I mean.
He was heavy for an olympic runner at his height
@@andyharshman 5'10 and 165 is too heavy? 800 meter runners are not built like long distance guys. There have been a lot heavier 800 meter guys than Nick.
@@shangrila73eldorado It's heavy for an olympic 5'10 distance runner
NO!
Each person will find their own natural way to run fast.
No 2 people have the same form.
But they can have a natural way to run that is not efficient
I mean isn't it obvious that it is, there's a reason why it's called "good" running form
Do you have tips to better it? Im a hs freshman with a pretty decent mile (4:46) but i don’t know how to move my arms
@@icushfu732 If you're running 4:46 as a freshman, I'm sure you'll figure it out on your own. Just run a lot and your form will fix itself.
@@andyharshman alright, i trained this whole track season, it improved but still has very poor arm movement. Goal is to make it to states senior year but that is a little out of reach
@@icushfu732 4:40 is state time here tbh.. XD
@@andyharshman man lucky, our qualifying time was a 4:24 for states and 4:30 for districts
Please branch outside of running. I know this is your field of expertise but you got IT.
Well he’s tried throwing events, biking, fishing, and entered into a powerlifting competition. So I think he’s branched out quite a bit
Yes it does matter!! Haha
I'm out
Cool! I also make running videos!
Zack f running...
NOTI GANG!!!
You can’t evaluate efficiency just by watching a video.